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2008/6/10 Tim Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Brian Butterworth wrote: How about this. If you offered a service that provided the BBC channels with 1/25th of a second delay, Try streaming *anything* without a perceivable delay of at least 1 second! ;) That was my point. Where is the barrier between live and not live that causes the need for a TV License or not? -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
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If BT can, why can’t you or anyone else? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 09 June 2008 15:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the higher quality DVB-T recording that BT offer as part of their package. Although as they have no claim to copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge extra for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it. Could I? Or could I? 2008/6/9 Darren Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any number of satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only available as part of a package which includes other chargeable services. Marketing drones, don't you just love them… From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:09 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm 2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : According to http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-f ree.html BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the ... BBC iPlayer service. Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer? --- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html * -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
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Gavin Pearce wrote: The way I read it was ... They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not charging for the BBC channels, you get those free, if you buy this other service. I might be wrong?? According to the BBC News article someone provided a link to earlier: In line with other TV platforms where BBC programmes are made available on demand, the BBC requires that all public service content should be accessible via the lowest cost subscription tier. It is possible BT have some agreement with the BBC so that wouldn't necessarily mean you could do BBC+1 (or BBC+2, or BBC+24 (Monday's TV on Tuesday etc.)). Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free BBC+1 if a user subscribes to your members only website:-) I would check with a lawyer first, and be prepared for the bandwidth cost as well! Im just guessing here though lol me too Andy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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I'm sure that they will have it would be great to see a copy, perhaps it was overlooked that BT is more than just a UK centric business model. :-) I must say that the peace here may be broken by the following phrase ... She stressed that the BBC would not be making any money from the new arrangement. Classic choice of words . BBC now giving content away, or was profit the preferred noun? Count me in for DVB-T via the net, and for Mac excellent news. RichE On 9 Jun 2008, at 18:10, Gavin Pearce wrote: Have BT / Virgin got a license from the BBC for it then? - Gav -Original Message- From: Darren Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 June 2008 17:02 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? Apart from BT doing it under licence? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:29 PM To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? The way I read it was ... They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not charging for the BBC channels, you get those free, if you buy this other service. I might be wrong?? Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free BBC+1 if a user subscribes to your members only website:-) Im just guessing here though lol Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 June 2008 15:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? If BT can, why can't you or anyone else? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 09 June 2008 15:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the higher quality DVB-T recording that BT offer as part of their package. Although as they have no claim to copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge extra for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it. Could I? Or could I? 2008/6/9 Darren Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any number of satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only available as part of a package which includes other chargeable services. Marketing drones, don't you just love them... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:09 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm 2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: According to http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on- bt-vision-no-longer-free.html BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the ... BBC iPlayer service. Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer? --- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 ** *** To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go tohttp://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html ** *** -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl, a service from Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl, a service from Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl, a service from Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl, a service from Viatel.
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I would pay £6 a month for pre-selected iplayer content delivered to me on a DVD here in Hong Kong. Could any of the the three Bs - BT, BBC or Brian - offer that service, legally? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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How about this. If you offered a service that provided the BBC channels with 1/25th of a second delay, a BBC1+1/9 then you could watch the channel without a TV license because the channel would not be 'live', which is the requirement for a TV Licence. Yes, guesswork 2008/6/9 Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sure that they will have it would be great to see a copy, perhaps it was overlooked that BT is more than just a UK centric business model. :-)I must say that the peace here may be broken by the following phrase ... She stressed that the BBC would not be making any money from the new arrangement. Classic choice of words . BBC now giving content away, or was profit the preferred noun? Count me in for DVB-T via the net, and for Mac excellent news. RichE On 9 Jun 2008, at 18:10, Gavin Pearce wrote: Have BT / Virgin got a license from the BBC for it then? - Gav -Original Message- *From:* Darren Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ] *Sent:* 09 June 2008 17:02 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? Apart from BT doing it under licence? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Gavin Pearce *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2008 4:29 PM *To:* 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' *Subject:* [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? The way I read it was ... They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not charging for the BBC channels, you get those free, if you buy this other service. I might be wrong?? Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free BBC+1 if a user subscribes to your members only website:-) Im just guessing here though lol *Gavin Pearce* |* **Junior Web Developer* |* **TBS *The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin *www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ * *TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459.* -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] *Sent:* 09 June 2008 15:41 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? If BT can, why can't you or anyone else? -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]]*On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 09 June 2008 15:31 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the higher quality DVB-T recording that BT offer as part of their package. Although as they have no claim to copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge extra for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it. Could I? Or could I? 2008/6/9 Darren Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any number of satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only available as part of a package which includes other chargeable services. Marketing drones, don't you just love them... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2008 1:09 PM *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm 2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: According to http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-free.html BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the ... BBC iPlayer service. Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer? --- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html * -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by *Viatel MailControlhttp://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ *, a service from
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clever - but i expect lawyers would be all over this like a rash From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Mon 09/06/2008 6:22 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? How about this. If you offered a service that provided the BBC channels with 1/25th of a second delay, a BBC1+1/9 then you could watch the channel without a TV license because the channel would not be 'live', which is the requirement for a TV Licence. Yes, guesswork 2008/6/9 Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sure that they will have it would be great to see a copy, perhaps it was overlooked that BT is more than just a UK centric business model. :-) I must say that the peace here may be broken by the following phrase ... She stressed that the BBC would not be making any money from the new arrangement. Classic choice of words . BBC now giving content away, or was profit the preferred noun? Count me in for DVB-T via the net, and for Mac excellent news. RichE On 9 Jun 2008, at 18:10, Gavin Pearce wrote: Have BT / Virgin got a license from the BBC for it then? - Gav -Original Message- From: Darren Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 June 2008 17:02 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? Apart from BT doing it under licence? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:29 PM To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? The way I read it was ... They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not charging for the BBC channels, you get those free, if you buy this other service. I might be wrong?? Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free BBC+1 if a user subscribes to your members only website:-) Im just guessing here though lol Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 June 2008 15:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? If BT can, why can't you or anyone else? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 09 June 2008 15:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the higher quality DVB-T recording that BT offer as part of their package. Although as they have no claim to copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge extra for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it. Could I? Or could I? 2008/6/9 Darren Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would suspect so
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However you could bypass the whole thing by having a remote access Windows server in the UK then downloading the FLC to your machine and then ftp them off... much easier than getting BBC Worldwide to do something. 2008/6/9 Nick Reynolds-FMT [EMAIL PROTECTED]: if was just on a DVD I would imagine BBC worldwide could do it in theory - depending on which programmes you wanted, rights etc BT or Brian couldn't without some kind of licencing agreement with WW -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of James Ockenden *Sent:* Mon 09/06/2008 6:20 PM *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? I would pay £6 a month for pre-selected iplayer content delivered to me on a DVD here in Hong Kong. Could any of the the three Bs - BT, BBC or Brian - offer that service, legally? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If BT can, why can’t you or anyone else? In the absence of a contract with the broadcaster(s), I would suggest that copyright law might be a hindrance. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
