RE: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
David - have you read these blog posts? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_manag ement.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/06/round_up_monday_14_june_2 010.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_up.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_a.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/07/the_bbcs_approach_to_comb ating.html -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 07 July 2010 12:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. If like me you were waiting for the official response to my complaint about BBC HD Content Protection. It appears that the BBC web form has eaten my complaint. It is for this reason (and others), I hate web forms. It may have been the cut and paste or the length of the text. Perhaps I should complain about the complaints system. I am now reviewing my options, about how to submit a revised complaint. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
On 07/07/2010 13:02, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: David - have you read these blog posts? No, since the line break ate the URI !! Gordo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_manag ement.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/06/round_up_monday_14_june_2 010.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_up.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_a.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/07/the_bbcs_approach_to_comb ating.html -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 07 July 2010 12:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. If like me you were waiting for the official response to my complaint about BBC HD Content Protection. It appears that the BBC web form has eaten my complaint. It is for this reason (and others), I hate web forms. It may have been the cut and paste or the length of the text. Perhaps I should complain about the complaints system. I am now reviewing my options, about how to submit a revised complaint. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
Strange Lets try again http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_manag ement.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/06/round_up_monday_14_june_2 010.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_up.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_a.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/07/the_bbcs_approach_to_comb ating.html -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.com] Sent: 07 July 2010 13:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Nick Reynolds-FMT Subject: Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. On 07/07/2010 13:02, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: David - have you read these blog posts? No, since the line break ate the URI !! Gordo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_man ag ement.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/06/round_up_monday_14_june _2 010.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protec ti on_up.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protec ti on_a.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/07/the_bbcs_approach_to_co mb ating.html -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 07 July 2010 12:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. If like me you were waiting for the official response to my complaint about BBC HD Content Protection. It appears that the BBC web form has eaten my complaint. It is for this reason (and others), I hate web forms. It may have been the cut and paste or the length of the text. Perhaps I should complain about the complaints system. I am now reviewing my options, about how to submit a revised complaint. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 13:39, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: No, since the line break ate the URI !! interestingly[0], GMail's web interface is smart enough to correct that. neat. M. [0] I use the term loosely. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/drm/ Aggregates them together and may be short enough -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Nick Reynolds-FMT Sent: 07 July 2010 13:47 To: Gordon Joly; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. Strange Lets try again http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_manag ement.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/06/round_up_monday_14_june_2 010.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_up.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_a.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/07/the_bbcs_approach_to_comb ating.html -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.com] Sent: 07 July 2010 13:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Nick Reynolds-FMT Subject: Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. On 07/07/2010 13:02, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: David - have you read these blog posts? No, since the line break ate the URI !! Gordo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_man ag ement.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/06/round_up_monday_14_june _2 010.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protec ti on_up.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protec ti on_a.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/07/the_bbcs_approach_to_co mb ating.html -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 07 July 2010 12:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. If like me you were waiting for the official response to my complaint about BBC HD Content Protection. It appears that the BBC web form has eaten my complaint. It is for this reason (and others), I hate web forms. It may have been the cut and paste or the length of the text. Perhaps I should complain about the complaints system. I am now reviewing my options, about how to submit a revised complaint. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
Nick, My complaint consists of the following: * The Ofcom statement is a dogs dinner full of logical and legal fallacies. * What the BBC is proposing breaches the law (illegal and against BBC policy). (Public Service Obligations, Human Right Act, Competition Law). This is the only complaint likely to be effective at this stage. Also: * Extending copyright and technical enforcement is not in the public interest. * The Digital Economy Act is the one that people would most like to repeal. In fact, the topic with the most support is, Repeal the Digital Economy Bill, which has 181 comments and just under 900 votes in its favour. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1720512/voters-clamour-ditch-digital-economy-act As you know I am not a legal expert. I am also having a problem complaining to the BBC. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
Hi David - my suggestion would be that rather then complaining to the BBC or OFCOM you take your complaint to your MP or the BBC Trust. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 07 July 2010 14:01 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. Nick, My complaint consists of the following: * The Ofcom statement is a dogs dinner full of logical and legal fallacies. * What the BBC is proposing breaches the law (illegal and against BBC policy). (Public Service Obligations, Human Right Act, Competition Law). This is the only complaint likely to be effective at this stage. Also: * Extending copyright and technical enforcement is not in the public interest. * The Digital Economy Act is the one that people would most like to repeal. In fact, the topic with the most support is, Repeal the Digital Economy Bill, which has 181 comments and just under 900 votes in its favour. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1720512/voters-clamour-ditch-di gital-economy-act As you know I am not a legal expert. I am also having a problem complaining to the BBC. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
Handy tip that many people don't know about. Wrap longish URLs in angular brackets E.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_mana ement.html Most email clients won't do line breaks in it (waits the inevitable failing of this to work) -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Nick Reynolds-FMT Sent: 07 July 2010 14:01 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Gordon Joly Subject: RE: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/drm/ Aggregates them together and may be short enough -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Nick Reynolds-FMT Sent: 07 July 2010 13:47 To: Gordon Joly; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. Strange Lets try again http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_con tent_manag ement.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/06/round_up_monday _14_june_2 010.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_cop y_protecti on_up.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_cop y_protecti on_a.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/07/the_bbcs_approa ch_to_comb ating.html -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.com] Sent: 07 July 2010 13:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Nick Reynolds-FMT Subject: Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. On 07/07/2010 13:02, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: David - have you read these blog posts? No, since the line break ate the URI !! Gordo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_man ag ement.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/06/round_up_monday_14_june _2 010.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protec ti on_up.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protec ti on_a.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/07/the_bbcs_approach_to_co mb ating.html -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 07 July 2010 12:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. If like me you were waiting for the official response to my complaint about BBC HD Content Protection. It appears that the BBC web form has eaten my complaint. It is for this reason (and others), I hate web forms. It may have been the cut and paste or the length of the text. Perhaps I should complain about the complaints system. I am now reviewing my options, about how to submit a revised complaint. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: Hi David - my suggestion would be that rather then complaining to the BBC or OFCOM you take your complaint to your MP or the BBC Trust. Complaining to the BBC is the first stage in taking the issue to the BBC Trust. (two responses then escalate to the Trust) It would be nice to see the BBC Management accept the error of their ways. A complaint to the Office of Fair Trading on competition law is always an option. There are significant consequences to breaking competition law. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 14:21, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Handy tip that many people don't know about. Wrap longish URLs in angular brackets E.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_mana ement.html Most email clients won't do line breaks in it (waits the inevitable failing of this to work) That wrapped for me, and to make matters worse, is no longer clickable in full in GMail/web. So, yeah. Don't do that :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
But this isn't an editorial complaint - it's a complaint about broader policy issues - I think the Trust is best. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 07 July 2010 14:37 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: Hi David - my suggestion would be that rather then complaining to the BBC or OFCOM you take your complaint to your MP or the BBC Trust. Complaining to the BBC is the first stage in taking the issue to the BBC Trust. (two responses then escalate to the Trust) It would be nice to see the BBC Management accept the error of their ways. A complaint to the Office of Fair Trading on competition law is always an option. There are significant consequences to breaking competition law. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 14:21, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Handy tip that many people don't know about. Wrap longish URLs in angular brackets E.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_ma na ement.html Most email clients won't do line breaks in it (waits the inevitable failing of this to work) That wrapped for me, and to make matters worse, is no longer clickable in full in GMail/web. So, yeah. Don't do that :) That Gmail doesn't cope with it, surprises me cos it was a w3c suggestion (although not specification) http://www.w3.org/Addressing/URL/5.1_Wrappers.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: But this isn't an editorial complaint - it's a complaint about broader policy issues - I think the Trust is best. You can only appeal to the Trust if you have been through the full complaints process of the BBC, or TV Licensing, or the Digital Switchover Help Scheme. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/contact/complaints_appeals/appeal_trust.shtml At least they provide an email address and not a web form. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
On 07/07/2010 14:21, Andrew Bowden wrote: Handy tip that many people don't know about. Wrap longish URLs in angular brackets E.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_mana ement.html Most email clients won't do line breaks in it (waits the inevitable failing of this to work) I see Eudora didn't like that trick. I am using Thunderbird now Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
Not sure about writing to your MP... I wrote to mine about the private members bill on homoeopathy and I got a message back saying she's all in favour of it. On 7 July 2010 14:08, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi David - my suggestion would be that rather then complaining to the BBC or OFCOM you take your complaint to your MP or the BBC Trust. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 07 July 2010 14:01 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. Nick, My complaint consists of the following: * The Ofcom statement is a dogs dinner full of logical and legal fallacies. * What the BBC is proposing breaches the law (illegal and against BBC policy). (Public Service Obligations, Human Right Act, Competition Law). This is the only complaint likely to be effective at this stage. Also: * Extending copyright and technical enforcement is not in the public interest. * The Digital Economy Act is the one that people would most like to repeal. In fact, the topic with the most support is, Repeal the Digital Economy Bill, which has 181 comments and just under 900 votes in its favour. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1720512/voters-clamour-ditch-di gital-economy-act As you know I am not a legal expert. I am also having a problem complaining to the BBC. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/drm/ http://forums.reghardware.com/post/675054 I can't believe The Register hasn't picked up on this. The proposed 'DRM' is entirely harmless and here's why. Scrambling the EPG does NOT prevent the video itself being recorded, it will still be broadcast FTA unencrypted and indeed there are other alternative sources of guide data. The BBC isn't stupid, it _knows_ this and the only conclusion is that they are trying to appease rights holders with a slight of hand. Now I hesitate to bring this up in a public forum where it might undermine what the BBC are trying to achieve, but this backlash against risks the same thing. The developers of MythTV, myself included, are entirely unconcerned by this move because technically it's so laughable and therefore so obviously not what it appears to be. The BBC tech guys are as smart as they come, we deal with them on regular basis, and they are engineering the Emperors Clothes of DRM - a solution which appeases everyone. It's really quite beautiful and we should be lending them our complete support. I am aware of all of the above, At some point we need to stop appeasing the content providers and start fighting back. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
