[BackupPC-users] Keep the last n revisions of files

2006-08-09 Thread Casper Thomsen

Hello all

Maybe this is a feature request, and maybe it is just a show off how dumb 
I am---let's see.

What would be really great to have is the possibility to ensure that I 
have the last n revisions of files; no matter how many fulls or 
incrementals. I guess this is not the main goal of BackupPC (that is, to 
somewhat be a revision control system) but nontheless it is a feature (at 
least) I would higly appreciate, and I guess my users would also 
appreciate it.

I read the comprehensive config.pl file, the FAQ, scanned through the 
latest 50 e-mails in -users and -devel, searched the mailing list and of 
course googled. However, I haven't found anything about what I've just 
described. Maybe I have just searched for the wrong terms?

Any pointers, good ideas, work-arounds or whatever is of course 
appreciated. Thanks in advance!


OS: FreeBSD 6.0
Port  : 
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-bugs/2005-November/070243.html
BackupPC  : This documentation describes BackupPC version 2.1.2, released 
on 5 Sep 2005.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Keep the last n revisions of files

2006-08-09 Thread Ralf Gross
Casper Thomsen said:

 Maybe this is a feature request, and maybe it is just a show off how dumb
 I am---let's see.

 What would be really great to have is the possibility to ensure that I
 have the last n revisions of files; no matter how many fulls or
 incrementals. I guess this is not the main goal of BackupPC (that is, to
 somewhat be a revision control system) but nontheless it is a feature (at
 least) I would higly appreciate, and I guess my users would also
 appreciate it.

I also think this would be the job of a revision control system.

 I read the comprehensive config.pl file, the FAQ, scanned through the
 latest 50 e-mails in -users and -devel, searched the mailing list and of
 course googled. However, I haven't found anything about what I've just
 described. Maybe I have just searched for the wrong terms?

 Any pointers, good ideas, work-arounds or whatever is of course
 appreciated. Thanks in advance!

How will you ensure that a file has not been changed several times since
the last backup? In what cycle would you start your backup to get every
existing version of that file?

Ralf




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Re: [BackupPC-users] Keep the last n revisions of files

2006-08-09 Thread Casper Thomsen
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Ralf Gross wrote:
(...)
 What would be really great to have is the possibility to ensure that I
 have the last n revisions of files; no matter how many fulls or
 incrementals.
(...)

 I also think this would be the job of a revision control system.

Or the job of a really smart backup system ;-).

(...)
 Any pointers, good ideas, work-arounds or whatever is of course
 appreciated. Thanks in advance!

 How will you ensure that a file has not been changed several times since 
 the last backup? In what cycle would you start your backup to get every 
 existing version of that file?

I will not ensure that the file has not changed several times between 
backups. My formulation was inexact, sorry! What I want is the last n 
revisions of files when they are checked for changes (once a day, week or 
whatever). I only want the last n revisions of backups, not the real 
file revision.

Just to make it totally clear (I hope): If a file has changed when it is 
being backed up, if there is less that n revisions of the file backed up, 
do nothing (just back it up as usual), otherwise (back it up and) delete 
the oldest revision of the file.

Actually there would be other possiblities: you could also (1) set a bit 
that indicates that the file can be deleted, you could (2) delete all the 
oldest revisions such that there is exactly n left, and maybe some other 
strategy I haven't thought of yet.

The different approaches imply new decisions.

Ad (1). When should it be deleted? Should it be decompressed and deleted 
imediately, once a day, while _nightly runs, or only when all (or x 
percent) of the files in the compressed file is set for removal?

Ad (2). Maybe it would be possible to have a flag or even the possibility 
of specifying an algorithm to decide how many revisions to be deleted 
(dependant on how often the file changes, how many revisions there are, 
how recent the revisions changes (in about uniformly or not) etc.). This 
seems, admittedly, quite strange.

 Ralf


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Keep the last n revisions of files

2006-08-09 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 03:56, Ralf Gross wrote:
 
  What would be really great to have is the possibility to ensure that I
  have the last n revisions of files; no matter how many fulls or
  incrementals. I guess this is not the main goal of BackupPC (that is, to
  somewhat be a revision control system) but nontheless it is a feature (at
  least) I would higly appreciate, and I guess my users would also
  appreciate it.
 
 I also think this would be the job of a revision control system.

This would be difficult even with a revision control system
because they tend to think that you should never lose the
old versions.  Subversion with apache/webdav has a mode where
you can mount a webdav filesystem and the versions are tracked
transparently but the only way to trim the oldest versions is
to use a utility to dump and reload the whole repository.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Keep the last n revisions of files

2006-08-09 Thread backuppc


In the message dated: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:21:44 +0200,
The pithy ruminations from Casper Thomsen on 
Re: [BackupPC-users] Keep the last n revisions of files were:
= On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Ralf Gross wrote:
= (...)
=  What would be really great to have is the possibility to ensure that I
=  have the last n revisions of files; no matter how many fulls or
=  incrementals.

Interesting idea, probably best suited to a revision control system.

= (...)
= 
=  I also think this would be the job of a revision control system.
= 
= Or the job of a really smart backup system ;-).
= 
= (...)
=  Any pointers, good ideas, work-arounds or whatever is of course
=  appreciated. Thanks in advance!
= 
=  How will you ensure that a file has not been changed several times since 
=  the last backup? In what cycle would you start your backup to get every 
=  existing version of that file?
= 
= I will not ensure that the file has not changed several times between 
= backups. My formulation was inexact, sorry! What I want is the last n 
= revisions of files when they are checked for changes (once a day, week or 
= whatever). I only want the last n revisions of backups, not the real 
= file revision.

OK. Do you plan to list specific files for which revisions should be retained 
(in which case there's much more overhead, a more complicated config, but the 
storage requirement would be lower) or apply the revision settings to every 
file?

If the former (a list of files), then it sounds like something that's best 
handled via a revision control system. In the simplest sense, you could 
check-in files manually. This could also be automated, so that when BackupPC 
connects to the client to initiate a backup, it runs a script first. The script 
would traverse the filesystem (ie, using find -newer) or check specified 
files, and automatically check them in to a revision control system running on 
the client prior to the backup.

If you're thinking about applying the concept of saving revisions to the whole 
system, then it sounds more like you want a filesystem snapshot, rather than 
a file-by-file revision history. This is much more common in backup systems, 
and would give you the ability to restore the entire system (or individual 
files) to a specified point in time.

Be aware that there are many files that change often where you probably don't
need or want to keep successive revisions (caches, mail spool files, mailboxes,
config files that maintain a list of last used files, etc.).

= 
= Just to make it totally clear (I hope): If a file has changed when it is 
= being backed up, if there is less that n revisions of the file backed up, 
= do nothing (just back it up as usual), otherwise (back it up and) delete 
= the oldest revision of the file.

That sounds computationaly expensive, and would signifcantly increase both 
storage and IO. Without a database backend to track file versions (the number 
of revisions, and the backup number), it would be extremely impractical.

You're describing a much more traditional backup system, where each backup is 
stored onto separate volumes (CDs, disk-based files, tapes, etc.), and each 
backup has it's own file list and expiration period. This has some advantages 
(and disadvantages) over BackupPC, and would be much better suited to your 
revision scheme.

= 
= Actually there would be other possiblities: you could also (1) set a bit 
= that indicates that the file can be deleted, you could (2) delete all the 
= oldest revisions such that there is exactly n left, and maybe some other 
= strategy I haven't thought of yet.

Again, that sounds like the act of expiring all backups older than a given 
date.

Consider looking at a traditional backup system (ie., not using BackupPC's 
concept of pooling and the use of a single storage volume), such as amanda or 
bacula.

= 
= The different approaches imply new decisions.
= 
= Ad (1). When should it be deleted? Should it be decompressed and deleted 
= imediately, once a day, while _nightly runs, or only when all (or x 
= percent) of the files in the compressed file is set for removal?

That would add huge overhead. It's much more efficient to deal with an entire 
backup on a given day as a single revision.

= 
= Ad (2). Maybe it would be possible to have a flag or even the possibility 
= of specifying an algorithm to decide how many revisions to be deleted 
= (dependant on how often the file changes, how many revisions there are, 
= how recent the revisions changes (in about uniformly or not) etc.). This 
= seems, admittedly, quite strange.

Interesting. I like the idea of the dynamic algorithm. This is similar to 
amanda, in that it dynamically chooses which filesets to backup, based on the 
queue and backup frequency. However, I see this as having limited application. 
The idea of keeping successive revisions, in addition to basic backups, seems 
to be at odds with the idea that older revisions would be deleted dynamically.

Mark

= 
=  Ralf
= 
= 
= -- 

[BackupPC-users] IPv6 lookups

2006-08-09 Thread Christian Bjälevik
 Hi!

It seems IPv6 dns-lookups () doesn't work. I get Host not found.
Any plans on implementing that?

Cheers, /C

PS Please CC me on reply, I'm not subscribed. DS
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[BackupPC-users] Moving installation and Samba and/or rsyncd problems

2006-08-09 Thread Eric Snyder
Hello all:

First of all, if I can get backuppc working it looks to rock!

I have a couple of questions:
I am running Ubuntu V6.06 LTS, Backuppc V2.1.2.

1) My installation is in the wrong place. It is on my bootable 20GB hard 
drive, not my 160GB second drive. How do I move my installation and 
still keep my backups and such?

2) I am backing the server that BackupPC is loaded on, a couple of PC's 
and will soon be adding a Mac to the network. The Samba configuration 
seems to work great with the localhost but always failed on the PC. I 
was getting a tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME. After 
trying to work it out I switched to rsyncd and have started getting 
backups. Now the backup gets partway through and the fails with a Got 
fatal error during xfer (Child exited prematurely). I don't care so 
much if I use Samba or rsyncd, can comeone help with the configuration 
of one or the other?

Thanks in advance...
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[BackupPC-users] Deleting files from the pool

2006-08-09 Thread Paul Estes



Hi,

I've searched the 
archives and haven't been able to find this question posted before. I hope it's 
not an FAQ.

I accidently dumped 
a 4GB file into a partition that gets backed up by BackupPC. I don't need it 
backed up, and I keep a fairly long history of backups in the pool, so I don't 
want to wait for it to age out of the pool.Is there any way to remove this 
one file from the pool?

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[BackupPC-users] about tar error file is unchanged; not dumped

2006-08-09 Thread Steingrimur Steingrimson
Using backuppc 2.1.2 on a debian dapper 6.0.6 and bacing up 3 computers it 
backs up fine the client computers but on localhost it gives errors, 
this is a part of the error message
/bin/tar: 
./usr/share/zope/Products/CPSDocument/skins/cps_document/getDocumentSchemas.py: 
file is unchanged; not dumped
/bin/tar: 
./usr/share/zope/Products/CPSDocument/skins/cps_document/cpsdocument_create_form.pt:
 
file is unchanged; not dumped
/bin/tar: 
./usr/share/zope/Products/CPSDocument/skins/cps_document/cpsdocument_edit.py: 
file is unchanged; not dum
and so on
know about the patch from sourceforge.net but ( is a big word :-)   ),  is it 
possible to patch the debian package and upgrade it for the linux community.  
Because the __CONFDIR__ under ubuntu ( debian ) is under /etc different from 
the __CONFDIR__/pc/HOST.pl in the perldoc configure.pl used to congure from 
the tar.gz file and the command-line options to change   the  location of   
  
__CONFDIR__/config.plmain config file
__CONFDIR__/hostshosts file
__CONFDIR__/pc/HOST.pl   per-pc config file
 __LOGDIR__/BackupPC  log files, pid, status

are not mentioned in the manual




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Re: [BackupPC-users] Deleting files from the pool

2006-08-09 Thread Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom
On 08/08 02:02 , Paul Estes wrote:
 I accidently dumped a 4GB file into a partition that gets backed up by
 BackupPC. I don't need it backed up, and I keep a fairly long history of
 backups in the pool, so I don't want to wait for it to age out of the
 pool. Is there any way to remove this one file from the pool?

find all the occurences of it in the existing backups, and delete it out of
there by hand. You should be able to do this with a 'find' command and the
'--exec' option to it.

next time the BackupPC_nightly job runs, it should clear the file from the
pool.

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[BackupPC-users] Upgrading to 3.0

2006-08-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's the best method for upgrading a current installation of BackupPC to
3.0?  
Maybe I'm really stupid, but I can't find this info anywhere.

Thanks a lot,

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Upgrading to 3.0

2006-08-09 Thread Les Stott
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's the best method for upgrading a current installation of BackupPC to
 3.0?  
 Maybe I'm really stupid, but I can't find this info anywhere.

   
Hi I just did this last night in about 15 minutes.

stop backuppc

first go to CPAN and install File::RsyncP to upgrade it to .0.64

Then download the tarball, extract it and run

perl configure.pl

Then when it prompts you, tell it where your current config.pl file is, 
It will then work out its an upgrade and handle the rest.

You then have to manually update the init.d script as per your flavour 
of Linux.

p.s.

Craig, excellent work on the new features in version 3, many thanks to 
you and all the conrtibutors/maintainers for this outstanding product.

Regards,

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Upgrading to 3.0

2006-08-09 Thread Chris Stone
On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 10:51 +1000, Les Stott wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi I just did this last night in about 15 minutes.
 
 stop backuppc
 
 first go to CPAN and install File::RsyncP to upgrade it to .0.64
 
 Then download the tarball, extract it and run
 
 perl configure.pl
 
 Then when it prompts you, tell it where your current config.pl file is, 
 It will then work out its an upgrade and handle the rest.
 
 You then have to manually update the init.d script as per your flavour 
 of Linux.

Just tried this myself (upgrade existing 2.1.1 installation) and when
running configure.pl, I get:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] BackupPC-3.0.0beta1]# ./configure.pl

BackupPC cannot find the package BackupPC::FileZIO, which is included in
the
BackupPC distribution.  This probably means you did not cd to the
unpacked BackupPC distribution before running configure.pl, eg:

cd BackupPC-3.0.0beta1
./configure.pl

Please try again.


Of course, I am in the right directory and BackupPC/FileZIO.pm exists:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] BackupPC-3.0.0beta1]# ll lib/BackupPC/
total 144
-r--r--r--1 root root 7997 Jul 30 22:45 Attrib.pm
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Jul 30 22:45 CGI
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Jul 30 22:45 Config
-r--r--r--1 root root11310 Jul 30 22:45 Config.pm
-r--r--r--1 root root12934 Jul 30 22:45 FileZIO.pm
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Jul 30 22:45 Lang
-r--r--r--1 root root33574 Jul 30 22:45 Lib.pm
-r--r--r--1 root root20832 Jul 30 22:45 PoolWrite.pm
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Jul 30 22:45 Storage
-r--r--r--1 root root 2756 Jul 30 22:45 Storage.pm
-r--r--r--1 root root17638 Jul 30 22:45 View.pm
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Jul 30 22:45 Xfer
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Jul 30 22:45 Zip


Thought it might be something with the lastest beta tarball, so I also
tried this with the latest CSV code and same thing.

Ideas?


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Upgrading to 3.0

2006-08-09 Thread Les Stott




Chris Stone wrote:

  On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 10:51 +1000, Les Stott wrote:
  
  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi I just did this last night in about 15 minutes.

stop backuppc

first go to CPAN and install "File::RsyncP" to upgrade it to .0.64

Then download the tarball, extract it and run

perl configure.pl

Then when it prompts you, tell it where your current config.pl file is, 
It will then work out its an upgrade and handle the rest.

You then have to manually update the init.d script as per your flavour 
of Linux.

  
  
Just tried this myself (upgrade existing 2.1.1 installation) and when
running configure.pl, I get:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] BackupPC-3.0.0beta1]# ./configure.pl

BackupPC cannot find the package BackupPC::FileZIO, which is included in
the
BackupPC distribution.  This probably means you did not cd to the
unpacked BackupPC distribution before running configure.pl, eg:

cd BackupPC-3.0.0beta1
./configure.pl

Please try again.

  


you should actually run the command

cd BackupPC-3.0.0beta1
perl configure.pl





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Re: [BackupPC-users] Upgrading to 3.0

2006-08-09 Thread Chris Stone
On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 11:26 +1000, Les Stott wrote:
 Chris Stone wrote: 
  On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 10:51 +1000, Les Stott wrote:

  Just tried this myself (upgrade existing 2.1.1 installation) and when
  running configure.pl, I get:
  
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] BackupPC-3.0.0beta1]# ./configure.pl
  
  BackupPC cannot find the package BackupPC::FileZIO, which is included in
  the
  BackupPC distribution.  This probably means you did not cd to the
  unpacked BackupPC distribution before running configure.pl, eg:
  
  cd BackupPC-3.0.0beta1
  ./configure.pl
  
  Please try again.
  

 
 you should actually run the command
 
 cd BackupPC-3.0.0beta1
 perl configure.pl

Yep - did that too and makes no difference - same error both ways.


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Upgrading to 3.0

2006-08-09 Thread Les Stott




Chris Stone wrote:

  On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 11:26 +1000, Les Stott wrote:
  
  
Chris Stone wrote: 


  On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 10:51 +1000, Les Stott wrote:
  
Just tried this myself (upgrade existing 2.1.1 installation) and when
running configure.pl, I get:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] BackupPC-3.0.0beta1]# ./configure.pl

BackupPC cannot find the package BackupPC::FileZIO, which is included in
the
BackupPC distribution.  This probably means you did not cd to the
unpacked BackupPC distribution before running configure.pl, eg:

cd BackupPC-3.0.0beta1
./configure.pl

Please try again.

  
  

you should actually run the command

cd BackupPC-3.0.0beta1
perl configure.pl

  
  
Yep - did that too and makes no difference - same error both ways.


  

hmmm

The script must be run as root,
running either "perl configure.pl" or "./configure.pl" from inside the
extracted directory depends on your distribution and where perl is
located.

Other than that i've never seen that before, perhaps others on the list
will be able to help out

Regards,

Les


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Upgrading to 3.0

2006-08-09 Thread Chris Stone
On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 12:27 +1000, Les Stott wrote:
 Chris Stone wrote: 
  On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 11:26 +1000, Les Stott wrote:

   Chris Stone wrote: 
   
On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 10:51 +1000, Les Stott wrote:
  
Just tried this myself (upgrade existing 2.1.1 installation) and when
running configure.pl, I get:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] BackupPC-3.0.0beta1]# ./configure.pl

BackupPC cannot find the package BackupPC::FileZIO, which is included in
the
BackupPC distribution.  This probably means you did not cd to the
unpacked BackupPC distribution before running configure.pl, eg:

cd BackupPC-3.0.0beta1
./configure.pl

Please try again.

  
  
   you should actually run the command
   
   cd BackupPC-3.0.0beta1
   perl configure.pl
   
  
  Yep - did that too and makes no difference - same error both ways.
  
  

 hmmm
 
 The script must be run as root,
 running either perl configure.pl or ./configure.pl from inside the
 extracted directory depends on your distribution and where perl is
 located.
 
 Other than that i've never seen that before, perhaps others on the
 list will be able to help out

Yes - running as root...


-- 
Chris Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AxisInternet, Inc.


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Upgrading to 3.0

2006-08-09 Thread Les Stott




Chris Stone wrote:

  On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 12:27 +1000, Les Stott wrote:
  
  
Chris Stone wrote: 


  On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 11:26 +1000, Les Stott wrote:
  
  
  
Chris Stone wrote: 



  On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 10:51 +1000, Les Stott wrote:
  
Just tried this myself (upgrade existing 2.1.1 installation) and when
running configure.pl, I get:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] BackupPC-3.0.0beta1]# ./configure.pl

BackupPC cannot find the package BackupPC::FileZIO, which is included in
the
BackupPC distribution.  This probably means you did not cd to the
unpacked BackupPC distribution before running configure.pl, eg:

cd BackupPC-3.0.0beta1
./configure.pl

Please try again.

  
  
  

you should actually run the command

cd BackupPC-3.0.0beta1
perl configure.pl


  
  Yep - did that too and makes no difference - same error both ways.


  
  

hmmm

The script must be run as root,
running either "perl configure.pl" or "./configure.pl" from inside the
extracted directory depends on your distribution and where perl is
located.

Other than that i've never seen that before, perhaps others on the
list will be able to help out

  
  
Yes - running as root...


  

perhaps its got something to do with trying to upgrade from 2.1.1. When
i did it i upgraded from 2.1.2.

How about trying to upgrade to 2.1.2, then try going up to 3

Regards,

Les


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