Re: [BackupPC-users] Timing out full backups
Les writes:
> > I'd really recommend against manually remove backups unless you either
> > really know what you are doing or you are starting over after running
> > a temporary or test setup.
>
> If you are out of disk space you don't have much other choice.
You can reduce $Conf{IncrKeepCnt} (in this case) and let BackupPC do it
for you. But if you are comfortable doing it yourself, then the manual
approach is fine.
Craig
-
Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT
Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your
opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash
http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV
___
BackupPC-users mailing list
BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users
http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Timing out full backups
Craig Barratt wrote: > > I'd really recommend against manually remove backups unless you either > really know what you are doing or you are starting over after running > a temporary or test setup. If you are out of disk space you don't have much other choice. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Timing out full backups
Michael writes:
> > Michael Mansour wrote:
> >
> > > I have servers which have multiple full backups and incrementals, but
> > > neither
> > > is removed.
> >
> > I don't think they are removed until the replacements are completed.
> >
> > > Is there a way I can just manually delete some of the backups
> > > (incrementals
> > > and fulls) to start this process again? as I can't seem to do anything
> > > while
> > > the disks are full and the timeout processes are not working.
> >
> > Yes, you can go to the pc directory and 'rm -rf backup_number' for
> > what you want to delete. The space won't actually be released until
> > BackupPC_nightly runs and then only for files that are not linked by
> > other backup runs. Some of your web displays will be wrong for a
> > while after deleting things this way but it will eventually correct itself.
>
> Ok, I have started deleting and will kick off some manual incrementals
> afterwards.
You should be *really* sure you know what you are doing when
you manually delete backups. At a miminum you should remove the
corresponding line in the backups file.
Your stats suggest you have 1 or 2 fulls per host. That's typically
the minimum number, since subsequent incrementals require the baseline
full to be kept. For example, even if you specify $Conf{FullKeepCnt} = 1,
you will often have two fulls because the subsequent incrementals need
it kept:
oldest -> #0 Full
#1 Incr
#2 Incr
#4 Full
#5 Incr
#6 Incr
#7 Incr
newest -> #8 Incr
This is a very common situation. If you remove full #0 then you have
rendered backups #1 and #2 invalid and useless.
The only three options to reduce the number of backups in this case is:
- remove incrementals #8, #7, #6, #5 (in that order)
- remove incrementals #2, #1 (in that order)
- remove full #0, and incr #1 and #2 (all or nothing).
I'd really recommend against manually remove backups unless you either
really know what you are doing or you are starting over after running
a temporary or test setup.
You can accomplish the same effect as above by setting $Conf{IncrKeepCnt}
to 4 or less.
But even then there will still be cases where there are 2 full backups
kept. The additional storage is much less than you expect because of
hardlinking.
Craig
-
Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT
Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your
opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash
http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV
___
BackupPC-users mailing list
BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users
http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Timing out full backups
Hi Les, > Michael Mansour wrote: > > > I have servers which have multiple full backups and incrementals, but > > neither > > is removed. > > I don't think they are removed until the replacements are completed. > > > Is there a way I can just manually delete some of the backups (incrementals > > and fulls) to start this process again? as I can't seem to do anything while > > the disks are full and the timeout processes are not working. > > Yes, you can go to the pc directory and 'rm -rf backup_number' for > what you want to delete. The space won't actually be released until > BackupPC_nightly runs and then only for files that are not linked by > other backup runs. Some of your web displays will be wrong for a > while after deleting things this way but it will eventually correct itself. Ok, I have started deleting and will kick off some manual incrementals afterwards. Thanks. Michale. > -- > Les Mikesell > [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- End of Original Message --- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Timing out full backups
Michael Mansour wrote: > I have servers which have multiple full backups and incrementals, but neither > is removed. I don't think they are removed until the replacements are completed. > Is there a way I can just manually delete some of the backups (incrementals > and fulls) to start this process again? as I can't seem to do anything while > the disks are full and the timeout processes are not working. Yes, you can go to the pc directory and 'rm -rf backup_number' for what you want to delete. The space won't actually be released until BackupPC_nightly runs and then only for files that are not linked by other backup runs. Some of your web displays will be wrong for a while after deleting things this way but it will eventually correct itself. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Timing out full backups
Hi Les, Apologies for the late reply. > Michael Mansour wrote: > > Hi, > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I have the following host summary: > >> > >> server1 username1 20.63.360.772 10.4 > >> > >> 10.4idledone server2 username1 20.63.23 > >> 0.743 10.4 > >>10.4idledone server3username2 20.68.52 > >> 1.894 18.6 > >> 18.6 idledone server4username2 20.63.01 > >> 1.415 10.4 > >>10.4idledone server5username2 20.63.38 > >> 1.244 18.6 > >> 18.6 idledone server6username2 20.62.86 > >> 1.445 10.4 > >>10.4idledone > >> > >> This is on a test BackupPC server still using Beta 3.0 (I'll soon > >> build a production BackupPC server to replace this box). > >> > >> I'm wondering why the full backups numbered 2 are not going back > >> down to 1 to free up some space on the server? > >> > >> In the glbal Schedule, I have the following: > >> > >> FullPeriod: 6.97 > >> FullKeepCnt: 1 > >> FullKeepCntMin: 1 > >> FullAgeMax: 7 > >> > >> and it's my understanding that backuppc should cycle those full > >> backups above to trash because of the above globals yes? > > > > Did anyone have any ideas on this? > > Full backups that incrementals are based from are not deleted until > after the corresponding incremental runs have been removed, and your > last full will not be removed until the next one is complete. I understand, but the stats are: There are 6 hosts that have been backed up, for a total of: 10 full backups of total size 44.55GB (prior to pooling and compression), 15 incr backups of total size 8.44GB (prior to pooling and compression). I have servers which have multiple full backups and incrementals, but neither is removed. Is there a way I can just manually delete some of the backups (incrementals and fulls) to start this process again? as I can't seem to do anything while the disks are full and the timeout processes are not working. Thanks. Michael. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Timing out full backups
Michael Mansour wrote: I'm wondering why the full backups numbered 2 are not going back down to 1 to free up some space on the server? In the glbal Schedule, I have the following: FullPeriod: 6.97 FullKeepCnt: 1 FullKeepCntMin: 1 FullAgeMax: 7 and it's my understanding that backuppc should cycle those full backups above to trash because of the above globals yes? Did anyone have any ideas on this? I responded to this a couple of days ago. Here's what I wrote, in case you missed it: It depends on how many *incrementals* you have, too. The number of backups you keep will be the FullKeepCnt + IncrKeepCnt, plus any fulls that must be kept to support those incrementals. So, it's possible you ask for a certain number of full backups on a schedule that are kept, but in order for you to retain the incrementals specified, extra baseline full backups are kept as well. So, in your above situation, if you specify 1 FullKeepCnt, if you have ANY incrementals saved, once a new full is taken, the last incremental will be *older* than the most recent full backup, so the full backup just prior to the incremental must be kept as well, resulting in 2 fulls, 1 incremental. Does that make sense? JH - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Timing out full backups
Michael Mansour wrote: > Hi, > >> Hi, >> >> I have the following host summary: >> >> server1 username1 20.63.360.772 10.4 >> >> 10.4 idledone server2 username1 20.63.23 >> 0.743 10.4 >> 10.4idledone server3username2 20.68.52 >> 1.894 18.6 >> 18.6 idledone server4username2 20.63.01 >> 1.415 10.4 >> 10.4idledone server5username2 20.63.38 >> 1.244 18.6 >> 18.6 idledone server6username2 20.62.86 >> 1.445 10.4 >> 10.4idledone >> >> This is on a test BackupPC server still using Beta 3.0 (I'll soon >> build a production BackupPC server to replace this box). >> >> I'm wondering why the full backups numbered 2 are not going back >> down to 1 to free up some space on the server? >> >> In the glbal Schedule, I have the following: >> >> FullPeriod: 6.97 >> FullKeepCnt: 1 >> FullKeepCntMin: 1 >> FullAgeMax: 7 >> >> and it's my understanding that backuppc should cycle those full >> backups above to trash because of the above globals yes? > > Did anyone have any ideas on this? > Full backups that incrementals are based from are not deleted until after the corresponding incremental runs have been removed, and your last full will not be removed until the next one is complete. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Timing out full backups
Hi, > Hi, > > I have the following host summary: > > server1username1 20.63.360.772 10.4 > > 10.4 idledone server2 username1 20.63.23 > 0.743 10.4 > 10.4idledone server3username2 20.68.52 > 1.894 18.6 > 18.6 idledone server4username2 20.63.011.41 > 5 10.4 > 10.4idledone server5username2 20.63.38 > 1.244 18.6 > 18.6 idledone server6username2 20.62.861.44 > 5 10.4 > 10.4idledone > > This is on a test BackupPC server still using Beta 3.0 (I'll soon > build a production BackupPC server to replace this box). > > I'm wondering why the full backups numbered 2 are not going back > down to 1 to free up some space on the server? > > In the glbal Schedule, I have the following: > > FullPeriod: 6.97 > FullKeepCnt: 1 > FullKeepCntMin: 1 > FullAgeMax: 7 > > and it's my understanding that backuppc should cycle those full > backups above to trash because of the above globals yes? Did anyone have any ideas on this? Thanks. Michael. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Timing out full backups
Michael Mansour wrote: > I'm wondering why the full backups numbered 2 are not going back down to 1 to > free up some space on the server? > > In the glbal Schedule, I have the following: > > FullPeriod: 6.97 > FullKeepCnt: 1 > FullKeepCntMin: 1 > FullAgeMax: 7 > > and it's my understanding that backuppc should cycle those full backups above > to trash because of the above globals yes? > > It depends on how many *incrementals* you have, too. The number of backups you keep will be the FullKeepCnt + IncrKeepCnt, plus any fulls that must be kept to support those incrementals. So, it's possible you ask for a certain number of full backups on a schedule that are kept, but in order for you to retain the incrementals specified, extra baseline full backups are kept as well. So, in your above situation, if you specify 1 FullKeepCnt, if you have ANY incrementals saved, once a new full is taken, the last incremental will be *older* than the most recent full backup, so the full backup just prior to the incremental must be kept as well, resulting in 2 fulls, 1 incremental. Does that make sense? JH - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Timing out full backups
Hi, I have the following host summary: server1 username1 20.63.360.772 10.4 10.4 idle done server2 username1 20.63.230.743 10.4 10.4idledone server3 username2 20.68.521.894 18.6 18.6idledone server4 username2 20.63.011.415 10.4 10.4idledone server5 username2 20.63.381.244 18.6 18.6idledone server6 username2 20.62.861.445 10.4 10.4idledone This is on a test BackupPC server still using Beta 3.0 (I'll soon build a production BackupPC server to replace this box). I'm wondering why the full backups numbered 2 are not going back down to 1 to free up some space on the server? In the glbal Schedule, I have the following: FullPeriod: 6.97 FullKeepCnt: 1 FullKeepCntMin: 1 FullAgeMax: 7 and it's my understanding that backuppc should cycle those full backups above to trash because of the above globals yes? Thanks. Michael. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
