Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-11 Thread Mauro Condarelli

Il 08/11/2014 17:20, Holger Parplies ha scritto:
 Hi,

 Mauro Condarelli wrote on 2014-11-07 22:45:53 +0100 [Re: [BackupPC-users] 
 Unable to read 4 bytes]:
 [...]
 What follows is what I use to setup a key exchange,
 I don't believe that's completely true ;-).
AAARRGGHH!!

Sorry, my bad.
This is what happens when you write from memory without actually 
cuttingpasting.
OF COURSE you have to distribute your PUBLIC key and keep your private key 
PRIVATE!

Shame on me.


 obviously there are zillions ways to do the same.

 backuppc@server:~$ scp .ssh/id_dsa mcon@mailgate:/tmp/backu...@server.key
 Actually, you need the *public* key on the client (.ssh/id_dsa.pub), not the
 private key. More than that, you *should not have* the private key on the
 client machine. Conceptionally, possession of the private key is considered as
 proof for being the legitimate BackupPC server. The client machine isn't the
 legitimate BackupPC server, so it shouldn't be able to prove it is :-).

 Additionally, I would advise against temporarily storing the key - even the
 public key - in /tmp. You are later going to do (and this only makes sense if
 it actually was the public key you transferred) ...

 [...]
 root@mailgate:~/.ssh# cat /tmp/backuppc\@server.key authorized_keys
 So, while the public key is not sensitive information (you could theoretically
 post it on this list, though there is no point in actually doing that), anyone
 who might have been able to *modify* it in the mean time (e.g. symlink attack)
 would be tricking you into putting *his* key into root's authorized_keys,
 thereby gaining root access to the machine.

 Strictly speaking, we should also make sure root's authorized_keys file is not
 writable for group and others. Usually, root's umask and/or the pre-existance
 of the file will take care of this, but it *is* something that would prevent
 public key authentication from working.

 At this point You should be able to do:
 backuppc@server:~$ ssh root@mailgate /bin/true
 backuppc@server:~$

 (this is my preferred example, because it also tests that no extraneous output
 is generated).

 Regards,
 Holger


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes (No Ping)

2014-11-11 Thread tschmid4
Samba server is a different box than Backuppc.

So, I can ping the backuppc server from the server I need backed up and visa 
versa.

File and Print sharing is enabled on the Windows server needing to be backed up.
What's confusing me is I can look at the configuration of an existing Windows 
server and don't
see ANY of the details many of the articles I'm looking at are telling me.
For instance:
No backuppc user is created.
Volume Shadow Copy service isn't running
No LMHOSTS file in the Windows directory
Yet, this server backs up on a daily basis.
The BackupPC server is currently backing up 6 Linux boxes, and 6 Windows boxes.
The Samba server is functioning as is.
The trouble I'm having is determining what fraction of the steps I need to 
simply add 1 Windows
Server to the existing configuration.
All BackupPC configurations on the new server are identical to existing 
serrvers.
Just get the no ping (no ping response) when starting a backup.

Terry


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On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:58 PM, tschmid4 
tschm...@utk.edumailto:tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 I'll take a look in the morning.
 Correct: IP static.
 Windows Firewall tried off with no change.
 Added the host IP to the hosts.allow
 **Haven't found anything indicating I tweak the SAMBA server?

You aren't actually using the samba _server_.  You are using the windows file 
share service and the linux samba client, smbclient (or
smbtar which is basically the same).   There is really only one quirk
that connects them and it is rare for it to cause a problem - and that is that 
smbclient does read the smb.conf config file that you might have configured 
with some custom values if you have a samba server running on the same machine 
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes (No Ping)

2014-11-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:04 AM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:

 So, I can ping the backuppc server from the server I need backed up and visa
 versa.

[...]
 Just get the no ping (no ping response) when starting a backup.

Take one step at a time here:  What is different about the ping that
succeeds manually from the backuppc server to the target and the one
that fails when backuppc does it?

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes (No Ping)

2014-11-11 Thread tschmid4
Backuppc looks by name?

Terry


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On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:04 AM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:

 So, I can ping the backuppc server from the server I need backed up 
 and visa versa.

[...]
 Just get the no ping (no ping response) when starting a backup.

Take one step at a time here:  What is different about the ping that succeeds 
manually from the backuppc server to the target and the one that fails when 
backuppc does it?

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes (No Ping)

2014-11-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:38 AM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 Backuppc looks by name?


You don't have to guess at this - it uses whatever you configured.
Did you type the same thing on the command line to test it?   If that
is the difference, then you need to decide if you want a work-around
by putting the IP in ClientNameAlias or /etc/hosts or to make your DNS
work so the name also works from other systems.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes (No Ping)

2014-11-11 Thread tschmid4
I can ping server host name and IP from client.
I can ping client host name and IP from server.
I don't see any server specific entries in any of the .conf files on the server.
I don't understand what's different about this machine that it would need 
it's configuration added to a file with no other server info in it.  

Basically, if the Linux (backuppc) server has a .conf or .pl file with the list 
of servers being backed up, this server is in the file.
The Windows box has the Computer Browser service started, Firewall is off, ...

Terry


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On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:38 AM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 Backuppc looks by name?


You don't have to guess at this - it uses whatever you configured.
Did you type the same thing on the command line to test it?   If that
is the difference, then you need to decide if you want a work-around by putting 
the IP in ClientNameAlias or /etc/hosts or to make your DNS work so the name 
also works from other systems.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes (No Ping)

2014-11-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:

 I can ping client host name and IP from server.

That answers half of the question of what is different. Now why does
the ping command issued by backuppc fail?   Note that the command
itself is configurable, there could be a typo in the host name, the
host name could be overridden by a ClientAliasName setting, etc.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-11 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there,

On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Les Mikesell wrote:

 We are also assuming that your virtualbox network is bridged ...

The VirtualBox default is NAT, the OP's Windows box may be on 10.0.0.0/8.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-11 Thread tschmid4
Correct. The Virtual box has Network and Internet access.

Terry


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Hi there,

On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Les Mikesell wrote:

 We are also assuming that your virtualbox network is bridged ...

The VirtualBox default is NAT, the OP's Windows box may be on 10.0.0.0/8.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-11 Thread Holger Parplies
Hi,

Les Mikesell wrote on 2014-11-10 15:08:49 -0600 [Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to 
read 4 bytes]:
 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Holger Parplies wb...@parplies.de wrote:
  
  actually, host not found is a failure to resolve the host name (by DNS and
  netbios).
 
 Which might - or might not - still have something to do with a
 firewall blocking the netbios response.

yes, sorry. I was thinking about DNS and missed the netbios case. I added that
after checking the code to make sure the message actually means what it says
and failed to realize the implication.

Regards,
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-10 Thread tschmid4
Thank you guys so much.
I think I can figure this out. 
I discussed with a veteran sys 
admin and he is coming to the same conclusions 
about the keys and the process being offered to me here.
I have one Windows server remaining to add via Samba.
At least I'm not getting the 'unable to read 4 bytes' error with this one.

Terry


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From: Holger Parplies [mailto:wb...@parplies.de] 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 1:43 PM
To: Les Mikesell
Cc: General list for user discussion, questions and support
Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

Hi,

Les Mikesell wrote on 2014-11-08 10:34:12 -0600 [Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to 
read 4 bytes]:
 On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Holger Parplies wb...@parplies.de wrote:
 
  Mauro Condarelli wrote on 2014-11-07 22:45:53 +0100 [Re: [BackupPC-users] 
  Unable to read 4 bytes]:
  [...]
  backuppc@server:~$ scp .ssh/id_dsa 
  mcon@mailgate:/tmp/backu...@server.key
 
 And probably even more to the point is that most systems have an
 'ssh-copy-id' script that will do it for you and get it right.   The
 RedHat/Centos versions even fix the SElinux contexts for you.

yes, but, as you can see, the transfer was done with a different remote user.
Presumably, root cannot login with password authentication. Of course, root 
will need to be able to login with public key authentication for backups to 
work.

Regards,
Holger

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-10 Thread tschmid4
SUPER!

My Linux boxes are backing up.
All you guys are awesome.
Now, at the risk of making a mistake and causing a problem with a perfectly 
good configuration,
I have one small problem remaining that I THINK needs to have a wee bit of 
SAMBA configuration.
I've added a new Windows (Virtual Box) server running on RHEL 7 platform. That 
is giving me a no ping (host not found)
Message in the Backuppc Configuration Editor.
 Xfer: SMB
I've compared it to an existing Windows box on the network and it's setup 
identical as far as I can tell.
Also have looked at some configuration suggestions from the mail list. 
Other than adding a registry key, which I'm not willing, but able, to do, I 
can't find an overall consensus on 
A simple Windows/via SAMBA/ via BACKUPPC/ configuration. Also haven't found any 
specific SAMBA 
Details to try.
FYI, All servers were previously setup and working by a prior admin, this 
single server is one I've added to the 
Schedule. 

Terry


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Cc: General list for user discussion, questions and support
Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

Hi,

Les Mikesell wrote on 2014-11-08 10:34:12 -0600 [Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to 
read 4 bytes]:
 On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Holger Parplies wb...@parplies.de wrote:
 
  Mauro Condarelli wrote on 2014-11-07 22:45:53 +0100 [Re: [BackupPC-users] 
  Unable to read 4 bytes]:
  [...]
  backuppc@server:~$ scp .ssh/id_dsa 
  mcon@mailgate:/tmp/backu...@server.key
 
 And probably even more to the point is that most systems have an
 'ssh-copy-id' script that will do it for you and get it right.   The
 RedHat/Centos versions even fix the SElinux contexts for you.

yes, but, as you can see, the transfer was done with a different remote user.
Presumably, root cannot login with password authentication. Of course, root 
will need to be able to login with public key authentication for backups to 
work.

Regards,
Holger

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:

 I've added a new Windows (Virtual Box) server running on RHEL 7 platform. 
 That is giving me a no ping (host not found)
 Message in the Backuppc Configuration Editor.
  Xfer: SMB
 I've compared it to an existing Windows box on the network and it's setup 
 identical as far as I can tell.

That might be as simple as having the Windows host firewall on.  If
you want to leave it that way and you are able to map the share(s) you
are trying to back up from smbclient or other windows hosts, you can
set PingCmd to something like /bin/true to keep it from failing.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-10 Thread Holger Parplies
Hi,

Les Mikesell wrote on 2014-11-10 12:13:43 -0600 [Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to 
read 4 bytes]:
 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 
  I've added a new Windows (Virtual Box) server running on RHEL 7 platform.
  That is giving me a no ping (host not found)
  Message in the Backuppc Configuration Editor.
   Xfer: SMB
  I've compared it to an existing Windows box on the network and it's setup
  identical as far as I can tell.
 
 That might be as simple as having the Windows host firewall on.  If
 you want to leave it that way and you are able to map the share(s) you
 are trying to back up from smbclient or other windows hosts, you can
 set PingCmd to something like /bin/true to keep it from failing.

actually, host not found is a failure to resolve the host name (by DNS and
netbios). While setting PingCmd to /bin/true (or {sub {0}} if you prefer
saving a fork and don't mind cryptic code ;-) *will* resolve the issue (if not
the host name), it also makes backups fail instead of not being attempted when
the host is actually down. That might not be a problem - I believe BackupPC
handles retries in the same way - but it will mess up things like your
blackout schedule. The list of possible solutions is long, with the simplest
being to add a line in /etc/hosts on the BackupPC server for the machine in
question. If you have a DNS server on your network, you'd rather add it there,
which may be slightly more complicated, but will give you network wide
(consistent) resolution of the host name. Other than that, there's the Windoze
way of getting the WINS server setup right (smb.conf on the BackupPC server)
or, possibly, matching up the host name you use in BackupPC with what the host
itself thinks it is called. Setting the domain/workgroup to match is also a
good idea :).

If your Windoze client is named windozebox (as far as BackupPC is concerned)
and has the IP 1.2.3.4, your /etc/hosts line would be something like:

1.2.3.4 windozebox.yourdomain.com   windozebox

(both tabs and spaces should be accepted, use whatever other entries use).

In any case, the /etc/hosts entry is the easiest way to try out what happens
when name resolution is working (*). You might then run into the issue Les is
referring to (ping denied by Windoze firewall).

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Holger

(*) 1.) Theoretically, it is possible to configure a Linux system in a way
that /etc/hosts is *not* be used for name resolution, but it usually
is not set up that way, and even if, I'm not sure all commands
actually honour that configuration ;-).
2.) I'm assuming your Windoze box has a static IP. If it gets a random
IP via DHCP, you can still *test* what would happen by creating an
entry matching the *current* IP assignment (and deleting it again
after testing!). For production use, you would then need to either
have the Windoze host register its IP with the DNS server, use a
combined DHCP/DNS server (like 'dnsmasq'), or use netbios for name
resolution. That will likely involve using a WINS server, assuming
your Windoze host is on a different network segment than the BackupPC
server (I'm guessing that otherwise things would already work).

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Holger Parplies wb...@parplies.de wrote:
 
 actually, host not found is a failure to resolve the host name (by DNS and
 netbios).

Which might - or might not - still have something to do with a
firewall blocking the netbios response.   We are also assuming that
your virtualbox network is bridged so the target can be reached by the
backuppc server.

 The list of possible solutions is long, with the simplest
 being to add a line in /etc/hosts on the BackupPC server for the machine in
 question. If you have a DNS server on your network, you'd rather add it there,
 which may be slightly more complicated, but will give you network wide
 (consistent) resolution of the host name.

Another simple alternative to working DNS resolution is to set
ClientNameAlias to the target IP address.for each host that needs it.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-10 Thread tschmid4
I'll take a look in the morning.
Correct: IP static.
Windows Firewall tried off with no change.
Added the host IP to the hosts.allow
**Haven't found anything indicating I tweak the SAMBA server?
tks

Terry


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Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

Hi,

Les Mikesell wrote on 2014-11-10 12:13:43 -0600 [Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to 
read 4 bytes]:
 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 
  I've added a new Windows (Virtual Box) server running on RHEL 7 platform.
  That is giving me a no ping (host not found) Message in the Backuppc 
  Configuration Editor.
   Xfer: SMB
  I've compared it to an existing Windows box on the network and it's 
  setup identical as far as I can tell.
 
 That might be as simple as having the Windows host firewall on.  If 
 you want to leave it that way and you are able to map the share(s) you 
 are trying to back up from smbclient or other windows hosts, you can 
 set PingCmd to something like /bin/true to keep it from failing.

actually, host not found is a failure to resolve the host name (by DNS and 
netbios). While setting PingCmd to /bin/true (or {sub {0}} if you prefer 
saving a fork and don't mind cryptic code ;-) *will* resolve the issue (if not 
the host name), it also makes backups fail instead of not being attempted when 
the host is actually down. That might not be a problem - I believe BackupPC 
handles retries in the same way - but it will mess up things like your blackout 
schedule. The list of possible solutions is long, with the simplest being to 
add a line in /etc/hosts on the BackupPC server for the machine in question. If 
you have a DNS server on your network, you'd rather add it there, which may be 
slightly more complicated, but will give you network wide
(consistent) resolution of the host name. Other than that, there's the Windoze 
way of getting the WINS server setup right (smb.conf on the BackupPC server) 
or, possibly, matching up the host name you use in BackupPC with what the host 
itself thinks it is called. Setting the domain/workgroup to match is also a 
good idea :).

If your Windoze client is named windozebox (as far as BackupPC is concerned) 
and has the IP 1.2.3.4, your /etc/hosts line would be something like:

1.2.3.4 windozebox.yourdomain.com   windozebox

(both tabs and spaces should be accepted, use whatever other entries use).

In any case, the /etc/hosts entry is the easiest way to try out what happens 
when name resolution is working (*). You might then run into the issue Les is 
referring to (ping denied by Windoze firewall).

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Holger

(*) 1.) Theoretically, it is possible to configure a Linux system in a way
that /etc/hosts is *not* be used for name resolution, but it usually
is not set up that way, and even if, I'm not sure all commands
actually honour that configuration ;-).
2.) I'm assuming your Windoze box has a static IP. If it gets a random
IP via DHCP, you can still *test* what would happen by creating an
entry matching the *current* IP assignment (and deleting it again
after testing!). For production use, you would then need to either
have the Windoze host register its IP with the DNS server, use a
combined DHCP/DNS server (like 'dnsmasq'), or use netbios for name
resolution. That will likely involve using a WINS server, assuming
your Windoze host is on a different network segment than the BackupPC
server (I'm guessing that otherwise things would already work).

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:58 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 I'll take a look in the morning.
 Correct: IP static.
 Windows Firewall tried off with no change.
 Added the host IP to the hosts.allow
 **Haven't found anything indicating I tweak the SAMBA server?

You aren't actually using the samba _server_.  You are using the
windows file share service and the linux samba client, smbclient (or
smbtar which is basically the same).   There is really only one quirk
that connects them and it is rare for it to cause a problem - and that
is that smbclient does read the smb.conf config file that you might
have configured with some custom values if you have a samba server
running on the same machine as backuppc.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-08 Thread Holger Parplies
Hi,

Mauro Condarelli wrote on 2014-11-07 22:45:53 +0100 [Re: [BackupPC-users] 
Unable to read 4 bytes]:
 [...]
 What follows is what I use to setup a key exchange,

I don't believe that's completely true ;-).

 obviously there are zillions ways to do the same.
 
 backuppc@server:~$ scp .ssh/id_dsa mcon@mailgate:/tmp/backu...@server.key

Actually, you need the *public* key on the client (.ssh/id_dsa.pub), not the
private key. More than that, you *should not have* the private key on the
client machine. Conceptionally, possession of the private key is considered as
proof for being the legitimate BackupPC server. The client machine isn't the
legitimate BackupPC server, so it shouldn't be able to prove it is :-).

Additionally, I would advise against temporarily storing the key - even the
public key - in /tmp. You are later going to do (and this only makes sense if
it actually was the public key you transferred) ...

 [...]
 root@mailgate:~/.ssh# cat /tmp/backuppc\@server.key authorized_keys

So, while the public key is not sensitive information (you could theoretically
post it on this list, though there is no point in actually doing that), anyone
who might have been able to *modify* it in the mean time (e.g. symlink attack)
would be tricking you into putting *his* key into root's authorized_keys,
thereby gaining root access to the machine.

Strictly speaking, we should also make sure root's authorized_keys file is not
writable for group and others. Usually, root's umask and/or the pre-existance
of the file will take care of this, but it *is* something that would prevent
public key authentication from working.

 At this point You should be able to do:

backuppc@server:~$ ssh root@mailgate /bin/true
backuppc@server:~$

(this is my preferred example, because it also tests that no extraneous output
is generated).

Regards,
Holger

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-08 Thread Les Mikesell
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Holger Parplies wb...@parplies.de wrote:

 Mauro Condarelli wrote on 2014-11-07 22:45:53 +0100 [Re: [BackupPC-users] 
 Unable to read 4 bytes]:
 [...]
 What follows is what I use to setup a key exchange,

 I don't believe that's completely true ;-).

 obviously there are zillions ways to do the same.

 backuppc@server:~$ scp .ssh/id_dsa mcon@mailgate:/tmp/backu...@server.key

 Actually, you need the *public* key on the client (.ssh/id_dsa.pub), not the
 private key. More than that, you *should not have* the private key on the
 client machine. Conceptionally, possession of the private key is considered as
 proof for being the legitimate BackupPC server. The client machine isn't the
 legitimate BackupPC server, so it shouldn't be able to prove it is :-).

 Additionally, I would advise against temporarily storing the key - even the
 public key - in /tmp. You are later going to do (and this only makes sense if
 it actually was the public key you transferred) ...

And probably even more to the point is that most systems have an
'ssh-copy-id' script that will do it for you and get it right.   The
RedHat/Centos versions even fix the SElinux contexts for you.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-08 Thread Holger Parplies
Hi,

Les Mikesell wrote on 2014-11-08 10:34:12 -0600 [Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to 
read 4 bytes]:
 On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Holger Parplies wb...@parplies.de wrote:
 
  Mauro Condarelli wrote on 2014-11-07 22:45:53 +0100 [Re: [BackupPC-users] 
  Unable to read 4 bytes]:
  [...]
  backuppc@server:~$ scp .ssh/id_dsa mcon@mailgate:/tmp/backu...@server.key
 
 And probably even more to the point is that most systems have an
 'ssh-copy-id' script that will do it for you and get it right.   The
 RedHat/Centos versions even fix the SElinux contexts for you.

yes, but, as you can see, the transfer was done with a different remote user.
Presumably, root cannot login with password authentication. Of course, root
will need to be able to login with public key authentication for backups to
work.

Regards,
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-07 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:

 I'm SSH'ing into each server and in turn SSH'ing into each server that is 
 having a backup issue to determine if they can connect.
 Some can, some can't. 'Strict checking' is currently enabled and I am getting 
 a
 . If I simply disabled 'strict checking' and determined that all systems could
 Resolve new keys amongst themselves, then enable 'strict checking' again,
 would this be an acceptable troubleshooting step to determine
 Why Linux boxes can't backup?

 The concept is a pull configuration, correct? The BUPC server requests the 
 data from each server,
 But the keys have been renewed and need to be generated again.
 What I don't know is the process for basically starting over with the SSH 
 keys.

Your screen shot has a pretty good description of what you need to do.
  When you install ssh on a host it generates a host key fingerprint
and on your first connection to that target it stores a copy  in
~/.ssh/known_hosts after you respond to the prompt about it.
Subsequent connections verify that the value is the same and fail if
not.  If know the OS has been reinstalled or the host key replaced for
some other reason, you must remove that line (conveniently noted after
the : in the error message) from the known_hosts file, and then
manually connect to that host so you can answer the prompt about
accepting the new value.  This is separate from, and in addition to
what you have to do with the user level public key that goes in the
target  authorized_hosts file.

I didn't understand the context of that:
Write failed: Broken pipe
message in your previous post though.  That could mean that you have
the wrong owner/permissions on one of the files in question.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-07 Thread tschmid4
The broken pipe could have been my haste to sudo -s after SSH into the box. 

If I go into known_hosts and # out the specific line of the server with the 
issue, so I can have the data for reference,
is that the same as deleting the line or do I really have to remove the entire 
line from the known_hosts file?

Terry


-Original Message-
From: Les Mikesell [mailto:lesmikes...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 1:56 PM
To: General list for user discussion, questions and support
Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:

 I'm SSH'ing into each server and in turn SSH'ing into each server that is 
 having a backup issue to determine if they can connect.
 Some can, some can't. 'Strict checking' is currently enabled and I am 
 getting a . If I simply disabled 'strict checking' and determined that 
 all systems could Resolve new keys amongst themselves, then enable 
 'strict checking' again, would this be an acceptable troubleshooting 
 step to determine Why Linux boxes can't backup?

 The concept is a pull configuration, correct? The BUPC server requests 
 the data from each server, But the keys have been renewed and need to be 
 generated again.
 What I don't know is the process for basically starting over with the SSH 
 keys.

Your screen shot has a pretty good description of what you need to do.
  When you install ssh on a host it generates a host key fingerprint and on 
your first connection to that target it stores a copy  in ~/.ssh/known_hosts 
after you respond to the prompt about it.
Subsequent connections verify that the value is the same and fail if not.  If 
know the OS has been reinstalled or the host key replaced for some other 
reason, you must remove that line (conveniently noted after the : in the error 
message) from the known_hosts file, and then manually connect to that host so 
you can answer the prompt about accepting the new value.  This is separate 
from, and in addition to what you have to do with the user level public key 
that goes in the target  authorized_hosts file.

I didn't understand the context of that:
Write failed: Broken pipe
message in your previous post though.  That could mean that you have the wrong 
owner/permissions on one of the files in question.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-07 Thread Mauro Condarelli
You can just comment it out.
Keeping it as reference is, most likely, useless though.
If You reinstalled or, somehow, You regenerated the host keys in the 
server (actually that's the BackupPC *client*) the old ones are lost 
for good.

I strongly urge You to make pretty sure (testing by hand) user backuppc 
on BackupPC server can ssh into each and all clients (as root) with no 
error and no need for typing passwords.

After everything is working You can restrict access to a single caller 
and or to a single command (to enhance security).

On 11/07/2014 08:12 PM, tschmid4 wrote:
 The broken pipe could have been my haste to sudo -s after SSH into the box.

 If I go into known_hosts and # out the specific line of the server with the 
 issue, so I can have the data for reference,
 is that the same as deleting the line or do I really have to remove the 
 entire line from the known_hosts file?

 Terry


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 From: Les Mikesell [mailto:lesmikes...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 1:56 PM
 To: General list for user discussion, questions and support
 Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

 On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 I'm SSH'ing into each server and in turn SSH'ing into each server that is 
 having a backup issue to determine if they can connect.
 Some can, some can't. 'Strict checking' is currently enabled and I am
 getting a . If I simply disabled 'strict checking' and determined that
 all systems could Resolve new keys amongst themselves, then enable
 'strict checking' again, would this be an acceptable troubleshooting
 step to determine Why Linux boxes can't backup?

 The concept is a pull configuration, correct? The BUPC server requests
 the data from each server, But the keys have been renewed and need to be 
 generated again.
 What I don't know is the process for basically starting over with the SSH 
 keys.
 Your screen shot has a pretty good description of what you need to do.
When you install ssh on a host it generates a host key fingerprint and on 
 your first connection to that target it stores a copy  in ~/.ssh/known_hosts 
 after you respond to the prompt about it.
 Subsequent connections verify that the value is the same and fail if not.  If 
 know the OS has been reinstalled or the host key replaced for some other 
 reason, you must remove that line (conveniently noted after the : in the 
 error message) from the known_hosts file, and then manually connect to that 
 host so you can answer the prompt about accepting the new value.  This is 
 separate from, and in addition to what you have to do with the user level 
 public key that goes in the target  authorized_hosts file.

 I didn't understand the context of that:
 Write failed: Broken pipe
 message in your previous post though.  That could mean that you have the 
 wrong owner/permissions on one of the files in question.



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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-07 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 1:12 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 The broken pipe could have been my haste to sudo -s after SSH into the box.

 If I go into known_hosts and # out the specific line of the server with the 
 issue, so I can have the data for reference,
 is that the same as deleting the line or do I really have to remove the 
 entire line from the known_hosts file?

I don't know if sshd has a concept for comments in the known_hosts
file.  It would probably work anyway by making it not an exact match.
 But I'd probably just copy the old file to a different name if I
wanted access to the old contents.   You should never need them as
long as you manually connect and accept the new key, unless you are
concerned with the security implications that a different/fake  server
might be trying to intercept your connection and has hijacked the
name/ip address that you used to connect.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-07 Thread tschmid4
Not concerned at all.
I'd rather start from scratch at this point if it's possible.
I've made a list of which servers can connect to others and for the most part, 
they can connect with a few stray disconnects.

To start with a clean slate, would I SSH into the backup server and SSH to each 
Linux machine I wanted to connect to ?

Is there a process for deleting a specific line from each host file so the 
server will add the correct key info for each connection?

I still can't quite wrap my head around the process because some of what the 
messages tell you are to 'Add the correct host key' well, which machine ?

Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.
Offending key in ~/.ssh/known_hosts:1

I know if I ever get it working it will be light a light bulb going off,
but it's mighty dark right now with the servers not backing up

I appreciate the replies for everyone. It really keeps me going.


Terry


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Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 1:12 PM, tschmid4 
tschm...@utk.edumailto:tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 The broken pipe could have been my haste to sudo -s after SSH into the box.

 If I go into known_hosts and # out the specific line of the server
 with the issue, so I can have the data for reference, is that the same as 
 deleting the line or do I really have to remove the entire line from the 
 known_hosts file?

I don't know if sshd has a concept for comments in the known_hosts file.  It 
would probably work anyway by making it not an exact match.
 But I'd probably just copy the old file to a different name if I
wanted access to the old contents.   You should never need them as
long as you manually connect and accept the new key, unless you are concerned 
with the security implications that a different/fake  server might be trying to 
intercept your connection and has hijacked the name/ip address that you used to 
connect.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-07 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:

 I'd rather start from scratch at this point if it's possible.
 I've made a list of which servers can connect to others and for the most
 part, they can connect with a few stray disconnects.

 To start with a clean slate, would I SSH into the backup server and SSH to
 each Linux machine I wanted to connect to ?

Yes, being sure to su to the backuppc user on the backuppc server
first.  Doing something like 'ssh root@target id'  is a quick test
that both the host and user level keys are correct.

 Is there a process for deleting a specific line from each host file so the
 server will add the correct key info for each connection?

It's a text file, so any text editor will work.  I'd normally use vi where
numberG
will position you to the specified line number and
dd
will delete it.   But some people don't like vi's command-oriented syntax.

 I still can't quite wrap my head around the process because some of what the
 messages tell you are to 'Add the correct host key' well, which machine
 ?

 Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.
 Offending key in ~/.ssh/known_hosts:1

The :number is the line number containing the host name/IP (which you
can easily see) and a mis-matching host key (which you can also see
but might not otherwise know is wrong).  You can also find this line
by searching for the hostname or IP involved.

 I know if I ever get it working it will be light a light bulb going off,
 but it's mighty dark right now with the servers not backing up

If there is a 'wrong' entry in known_hosts matching the name or ip
that you used to connect, you get the error message.  If there is no
current match you get the prompt about accepting the new value.
Either of these will break backuppc's connection since it can't answer
the interactive prompt, so you have to connect once manually to get
the known_hosts entry updated.

If you get a password prompt it means you don't have the right user
public key in the authorized_keys file instead (or it has the wrong
owner/permissions) and you need to go back to the ssh-copy-id step.

Also, note that none of this really has anything to do with backuppc.
Ssh is generally useful for a lot of other things.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-07 Thread Mauro Condarelli

Ok,
let's try to start from beginning and clarify some terminology, so we 
can understand each other.


On 11/07/2014 08:58 PM, tschmid4 wrote:

Not concerned at all.
I'd rather start from scratch at this point if it's possible.
I've made a list of which servers can connect to others and for the 
most part, they can connect with a few stray disconnects.
To start with a clean slate, would I SSH into the backup server and 
SSH to each Linux machine I wanted to connect to ?

YES.
You need to became the user that owns BackupPC.
If You haven't the BackupPC server in fron of you You can ssh into it.
Normal way would be:

user@workstation:~$ ssh backuppc@server
Linux server 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u1 x86_64

The files...
...
backuppc@server:~$

where backuppc is the user that runs the server (NOT root)
and server is the machine where BackupPC runs.

Alternatively, if user backuppc cannot login (normal case) you can:

user@workstation:~$ ssh root@fileserver
Linux server ... ecc. ecc...
root@fserver:~# su backuppc -
sh: 0: can't access tty; job control turned off
$
Is there a process for deleting a specific line from each host file so 
the server will add the correct key info for each connection?
I advise to clear completely the key cache and poll each and all the 
clients (machines having files to send to server).


$ mv .ssh/known_hosts .ssh/known_hosts.bad

I still can't quite wrap my head around the process because some of 
what the messages tell you are to 'Add the correct host key' well, 
which machine ?
/Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this 
message./

/Offending key in ~/.ssh/known_hosts:1/

/This seems to confirm You are /trying to ssh to clients while being root.
Even if You succeed that will have no effect.
BackupPC has its own user (normally backuppc) and will try to ssh from 
*that* user, with *that* user credentials and privileges.



I know if I ever get it working it will be light a light bulb going off,
but it's mighty dark right now with the servers not backing up
I appreciate the replies for everyone. It really keeps me going.


Being backuppc you should have a matched couple of keys:

backuppc@server:~# ls -l .ssh
total 32
-rw-r--r-- 1 backuppc  backuppc   1203 Oct 18 02:01 authorized_keys
-rw--- 1 backuppc  backuppc   1679 Oct 18 01:46 id_rsa
-rw-r--r-- 1 backuppc  backuppc406 Oct 18 01:46 id_rsa.pub
-rw-r--r-- 1 backuppc  backuppc   1332 Oct 16 12:44 known_hosts.bad

If you don't have the two id_rsa/id_rsa.pub you need to create them.
NOTE: the private key *must* be *without* passfrase, otherwise 
BackupPC will NOT be able to use it.


Next start with the first client: workstation1.

What follows is what I use to setup a key exchange, obviously there are 
zillions ways to do the same.


backuppc@server:~$ scp .ssh/id_dsa mcon@mailgate:/tmp/backu...@server.key
The authenticity of host 'mailgate (192.168.7.113)' can't be established.
ECDSA key fingerprint is 45:f5:7d:82:75:82:8f:fa:8c:25:22:9a:25:4f:26:4b.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Warning: Permanently added 'mailgate,192.168.7.113' (ECDSA) to the list 
of known hosts.

mcon@mailgate's password:
id_dsa100% 1675 1.6KB/s   00:00
backuppc@server:~$ ssh mcon@mailgate
mcon@mailgate's password:
Linux mailgate 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
Last login: Sun Oct 19 10:34:27 2014 from ds209.fritz.box
mcon@mailgate:~$ su -
Password:
root@mailgate:~# cd .ssh
root@mailgate:~/.ssh# cat /tmp/backuppc\@server.key authorized_keys
root@mailgate:~/.ssh# logout
Connection to mailgate closed.
backuppc@server:~$

At this point You should be able to do:

backuppc@server:~$ ssh root@mailgate
Linux mailgate 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
Last login: Fri Nov  7 22:22:14 2014 from black.fritz.box
root@mailgate:~# logout
Connection to mailgate closed.
backuppc@server:~$

Notice NO password was necessary and NO questions/confirmation either.
*This* is how it *should* be.
If You can't manually login with a simple ssh command BackupPC file 
transfer won't work.


Repeat the above procedure and test for all clients.
Please note (I know, I'm repeating myself, but it's really the 
important point):
You should be able to login from server, being user backuppc into 
the client as user root.


HiH
Mauro

Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-06 Thread tschmid4
OS - 4 systems RHEL 7, Ubuntu 12 thru 14

Transfer Method - RSYNC

SSH works on certain systems without PW and others require PW.

My skill level with Backuppc, beginner

Thank you for your help and mostly, patience.

The Windows systems running on BUPC are still backing up without issue.
Only the Linux systems fail with 'unable to read 4 bytes.'

Terry

From: Mauro Condarelli [mailto:mc5...@mclink.it]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:48 AM
To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

Uhm...
What You tell us is a little too terse.

What is the OS of the client machine? Linux?
What transfer method are You trying to use? rsync?
If You login on the BackupPC server as the backupppc user are You able to 
manually ssh into Your client WITHOUT manually entering a password?

If You give us a bit more info we will try to help.

Regards
Mauro

Il 04/11/2014 14:33, tschmid4 ha scritto:

Greetings,
I've read, read, Googled, fiddled, and cannot figure this out.
I tried to add a server to Backuppc and the only way it would show up on the 
list is by
SSH into it from the Backuppc server. Now it's on the list but this server and 
the backup
server are unable to backup with the subject error.
I have run various keygen, ssh restart, etc.
Anything standard about this message I've overlooked?
- Ubuntu server
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-06 Thread tschmid4
After the last command, 

ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_dsa.pub r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com

I receive - No identities found.

Thank you for your help.

Terry

-Original Message-
From: Sorin Srbu [mailto:sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:56 AM
To: General list for user discussion, questions and support
Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

 -Original Message-
 From: tschmid4 [mailto:tschm...@utk.edu]
 Sent: den 4 november 2014 14:33
 To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes
 
 
 
 Greetings,
 
 I've read, read, Googled, fiddled, and cannot figure this out.
 
 I tried to add a server to Backuppc and the only way it would show up 
 on the list is by
 
 SSH into it from the Backuppc server. Now it's on the list but this 
 server and the backup
 
 server are unable to backup with the subject error.
 
 I have run various keygen, ssh restart, etc.
 
 Anything standard about this message I've overlooked?
 
 - Ubuntu server

Did you ssh-copy the keys in question from the BPC-server to the host to be 
backed up?

I usually get that message when BPC can't connect to the backupee.

From our internal FAQ:
Q: How do I setup the RSA-key for passwordless rsync for BackupPC (BPC) clients?
 
A: On mach012 or mach021, depending on if it's for instrument backup (m12) or 
user backup (m21):

bash-3.2$ su -s /bin/bash - backuppc
bash-3.2$ cd /bak
bash-3.2$ ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_dsa.pub r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com

More info on
http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos#head-bab8e87dc82e722540e2d39de8408750004a8c4a
http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/unix-tutorials/71-install-backuppc-server-in-centosrhelfedora


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 After the last command,

 ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_dsa.pub r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com

 I receive - No identities found.


You may have created a different type of keypair with your ssh-keygen
for the backuppc users.  What do you see in ~backuppc/.ssh?   Normally
you don't even need to specify the identity if you are using the
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-06 Thread tschmid4
It's rsa, instead of DSA. Is that the possible issue?

~/.ssh#  has 3 files:
Id_rsa
id_rsa.pub
known_hosts

So instead of
ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_dsa.pub 
r...@machine.tobe.backedup.commailto:r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com

I would enter

ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_rsa.pub 
r...@machine.tobe.backedup.commailto:r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com  ?

Terry


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Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM, tschmid4 
tschm...@utk.edumailto:tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 After the last command,

 ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_dsa.pub 
 r...@machine.tobe.backedup.commailto:r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com

 I receive - No identities found.


You may have created a different type of keypair with your ssh-keygen
for the backuppc users.  What do you see in ~backuppc/.ssh?   Normally
you don't even need to specify the identity if you are using the defaults.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-06 Thread tschmid4
I did find this,
In the known_hosts file, there is a section labeled:

Too many arguments.
Server-1
Server-2
Etc...

That has the Linux servers unable to backup listed. 
Would it be proper to delete these entries from the known_hosts file? 

Terry


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To: General list for user discussion, questions and support
Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 After the last command,

 ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_dsa.pub r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com

 I receive - No identities found.


You may have created a different type of keypair with your ssh-keygen
for the backuppc users.  What do you see in ~backuppc/.ssh?   Normally
you don't even need to specify the identity if you are using the defaults.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:26 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 It's rsa, instead of DSA. Is that the possible issue?

 ~/.ssh#  has 3 files:
 Id_rsa
 id_rsa.pub
 known_hosts

 So instead of
 ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_dsa.pub r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com

 I would enter

 ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_rsa.pub r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com  ?


Yes, or you should just be able to omit the -i option entirely, as
long as the environment is set up (by using the '-' option with su) so
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-06 Thread tschmid4
Devils in the details. 
Now it returns 'ssh: Could not resolve host name .ssh/id_rsa.pub: Name or 
service not known

I've altered the syntax as:

Ssh-copy-id .ssh/id_rsa.pub root@server

Have I missed the syntax somehow?

Terry


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From: Les Mikesell [mailto:lesmikes...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:37 PM
To: General list for user discussion, questions and support
Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:26 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 It's rsa, instead of DSA. Is that the possible issue?

 ~/.ssh#  has 3 files:
 Id_rsa
 id_rsa.pub
 known_hosts

 So instead of
 ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_dsa.pub r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com

 I would enter

 ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_rsa.pub r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com  ?


Yes, or you should just be able to omit the -i option entirely, as long as the 
environment is set up (by using the '-' option with su) so it can find your 
$HOME directory.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:45 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 Devils in the details.
 Now it returns 'ssh: Could not resolve host name .ssh/id_rsa.pub: Name or 
 service not known

 I've altered the syntax as:

 Ssh-copy-id .ssh/id_rsa.pub root@server

 Have I missed the syntax somehow?


Yes the .ssh/id_rsa.pub is the argument to the -i (identity) option.
If you omit one you have to omit both.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-06 Thread tschmid4
These entries are irrelevant for my issue though, correct? 
I don't need to remove them?

Terry


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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:35 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 I did find this,
 In the known_hosts file, there is a section labeled:

 Too many arguments.
 Server-1
 Server-2
 Etc...

 That has the Linux servers unable to backup listed.
 Would it be proper to delete these entries from the known_hosts file?

If you remove a host entry from the known_hosts file you will be prompted for a 
confirmation the next time you connect to it.  So you have to manually connect 
once and answer this prompt before backuppc will be able to connect.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-06 Thread tschmid4
Interesting. 
The command syntax worked, (Thanks Les)
But it returned:
Permanently added 'rsa.pub' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
Write failed: Broken pipe

Terry


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Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:45 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 Devils in the details.
 Now it returns 'ssh: Could not resolve host name .ssh/id_rsa.pub: Name or 
 service not known

 I've altered the syntax as:

 Ssh-copy-id .ssh/id_rsa.pub root@server

 Have I missed the syntax somehow?


Yes the .ssh/id_rsa.pub is the argument to the -i (identity) option.
If you omit one you have to omit both.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:00 PM, tschmid4 tschm...@utk.edu wrote:
 These entries are irrelevant for my issue though, correct?
 I don't need to remove them?


You should have an entry with a host fingerprint for each host where
you have already connected.   I don't think extraneous stuff hurts -
and if it does you should see some error message when you try to
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-04 Thread Mauro Condarelli

Uhm...
What You tell us is a little too terse.

What is the OS of the client machine? Linux?
What transfer method are You trying to use? rsync?
If You login on the BackupPC server as the backupppc user are You able to 
manually ssh into Your client WITHOUT manually entering a password?

If You give us a bit more info we will try to help.

Regards
Mauro


Il 04/11/2014 14:33, tschmid4 ha scritto:


Greetings,

I've read, read, Googled, fiddled, and cannot figure this out.

I tried to add a server to Backuppc and the only way it would show up on the 
list is by

SSH into it from the Backuppc server. Now it's on the list but this server and 
the backup

server are unable to backup with the subject error.

I have run various keygen, ssh restart, etc.

Anything standard about this message I've overlooked?

- Ubuntu server

Terry




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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2014-11-04 Thread Sorin Srbu
 -Original Message-
 From: tschmid4 [mailto:tschm...@utk.edu]
 Sent: den 4 november 2014 14:33
 To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes
 
 
 
 Greetings,
 
 I've read, read, Googled, fiddled, and cannot figure this out.
 
 I tried to add a server to Backuppc and the only way it would show up on the
 list is by
 
 SSH into it from the Backuppc server. Now it's on the list but this server and
 the backup
 
 server are unable to backup with the subject error.
 
 I have run various keygen, ssh restart, etc.
 
 Anything standard about this message I've overlooked?
 
 - Ubuntu server

Did you ssh-copy the keys in question from the BPC-server to the host to be 
backed up?

I usually get that message when BPC can't connect to the backupee.

From our internal FAQ:
Q: How do I setup the RSA-key for passwordless rsync for BackupPC (BPC) clients?
 
A: On mach012 or mach021, depending on if it's for instrument backup (m12) or 
user backup (m21):

bash-3.2$ su -s /bin/bash - backuppc
bash-3.2$ cd /bak
bash-3.2$ ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_dsa.pub r...@machine.tobe.backedup.com

More info on 
http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos#head-bab8e87dc82e722540e2d39de8408750004a8c4a
http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/unix-tutorials/71-install-backuppc-server-in-centosrhelfedora


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes revisited

2014-10-16 Thread Sorin Srbu
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 From: Adam Goryachev [mailto:mailingli...@websitemanagers.com.au]
 Sent: den 11 oktober 2014 13:21
 To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes revisited
 
 Try this:
 $sshPath -q -x -l root -p 522 $host $rsyncPath $argList+

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes revisited

2014-10-13 Thread Sorin Srbu
 -Original Message-
 From: Adam Goryachev [mailto:mailingli...@websitemanagers.com.au]
 Sent: den 11 oktober 2014 13:21
 To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes revisited
 
 On 11/10/14 21:12, Sorin Srbu wrote:
 
 
   Hi all,
 
 
 
   I set up BackupPC at home to make more systematic backups
 of mine and wifeys homefolders on the  samba-server and ran into the
 somewhat dreaded Unable to read 4 bytes-error.
 
 
 
   Problem is *maybe* that the host to be backed up is running
 sshd on port 522.
 
 Yep, but that is easily solved.
 
 
   What I've done so far is to create the passwordless login with
 my backuppc-user to the host, tested and this works.
 
   As the backuppc-user I can login to the host using ssh over port
 522 without entering a password and becoming root.
 
 
 
   Rsync is used as the transfer method, BTW.
 
 
 
   In the BPC web-GUI, I've added port 522 to RsyncClientCMD,
 so that now it reads:
   $sshPath -q -x -l -p 522 root $host $rsyncPath $argList+
 
   Was this correct to do?
 
 
 
 
 No, this is your mistake. You need to know what all those options mean. -l is
 the username to use when authenticating with the remote host, you have
 provided the username as -p, and then I don't know what 522 and root are
 going to be interpreted as, I guess 522 would be the hostname, and root
 would become the path to rsync...
 
 Try this:
 $sshPath -q -x -l root -p 522 $host $rsyncPath $argList+
 
 
 
   I've tried to disable iptables on the host, with no change, still
 getting the 4 byte-error.
 
 
 
   What am I missing?? Is there something with rsync not
 connecting properly maybe?
 
 
 
 Also, next time please provide the log file as that will usually provide more
 information if the solution isn't so easy.

Thanks for the hints. I'll try this when I get home.

Seems I assumed to much with the arguments list... 8-/

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes revisited

2014-10-11 Thread Adam Goryachev
On 11/10/14 21:12, Sorin Srbu wrote:

 Hi all,

  

 I set up BackupPC at home to make more systematic backups of mine and
 wifeys homefolders on the  samba-server and ran into the somewhat
 dreaded “Unable to read 4 bytes”-error.

  

 Problem is **maybe** that the host to be backed up is running sshd on
 port 522.

Yep, but that is easily solved.

 What I’ve done so far is to create the passwordless login with my
 backuppc-user to the host, tested and this works.

 As the backuppc-user I can login to the host using ssh over port 522
 without entering a password and becoming root.

  

 Rsync is used as the transfer method, BTW.

  

 In the BPC web-GUI, I’ve added port 522 to RsyncClientCMD, so that now
 it reads:
 $sshPath -q -x -l -p 522 root $host $rsyncPath $argList+

 Was this correct to do?

  


No, this is your mistake. You need to know what all those options mean.
-l is the username to use when authenticating with the remote host, you
have provided the username as -p, and then I don't know what 522 and
root are going to be interpreted as, I guess 522 would be the hostname,
and root would become the path to rsync...

Try this:
$sshPath -q -x -l root -p 522 $host $rsyncPath $argList+

 I’ve tried to disable iptables on the host, with no change, still
 getting the 4 byte-error.

  

 What am I missing?? Is there something with rsync not connecting
 properly maybe?



Also, next time please provide the log file as that will usually provide
more information if the solution isn't so easy.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes - most useless errormessage ever?

2010-01-26 Thread Stuart Matthews
On 1/25/10 1:36 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
 -Original Message-
 From: Timothy Murphy [mailto:gayle...@eircom.net]
 Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:21 AM
 To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes - most useless error
 message
 ever?

 Is there anywhere a worse error message
 than Unable to read 4 bytes?

 If it sometimes changed, say Unable to read 13 bytes,
 that might at least convey some information.
 
 I had that error too a week ago while setting up BackupPC, and googled it.
From there I found out that there was a problem with the rsa-key and/or
 something related to that.
 
 Common sense says (I'm guessing now 8-} ) that if something is difficult to
 understand or useless, then go google it anf find more information. Right?
That is true. But the error message should definitely be more clear to
cut out the Google middleman.

 
 Although I tend to agree with you, unable to read 4 bytes is rather
 cryptic. ;-)
 
 
 
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes - most useless errormessage ever?

2010-01-26 Thread Sorin Srbu
-Original Message-
From: Stuart Matthews [mailto:s...@eff.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:36 PM
To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes - most useless
errormessage ever?

 Common sense says (I'm guessing now 8-} ) that if something is difficult
to
 understand or useless, then go google it anf find more information.
Right?

That is true. But the error message should definitely be more clear to
cut out the Google middleman.

I don't know how good you guys are, but I know *I* need to check stuff up
anyway with google from time to time, despite manuals, howtos, references
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes - most useless errormessage ever?

2010-01-25 Thread Sorin Srbu
-Original Message-
From: Timothy Murphy [mailto:gayle...@eircom.net]
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:21 AM
To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes - most useless error
message
ever?

Is there anywhere a worse error message
than Unable to read 4 bytes?

If it sometimes changed, say Unable to read 13 bytes,
that might at least convey some information.

I had that error too a week ago while setting up BackupPC, and googled it.
From there I found out that there was a problem with the rsa-key and/or
something related to that.

Common sense says (I'm guessing now 8-} ) that if something is difficult to
understand or useless, then go google it anf find more information. Right?

Although I tend to agree with you, unable to read 4 bytes is rather
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes - most useless error message ever?

2010-01-24 Thread Jeffrey J. Kosowsky
Timothy Murphy wrote at about 03:20:31 + on Monday, January 25, 2010:
  Is there anywhere a worse error message
  than Unable to read 4 bytes?
  
  If it sometimes changed, say Unable to read 13 bytes,
  that might at least convey some information.

On a serious note, it may be a good idea to add a more detailed error
message here and/or a link to the specific solution in the manual or
FAQ since the relative obscurity of the error message makes this
unfortunately an almost weekly FAQ here on the mailing list...

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2009-11-11 Thread Micha Silver




Stephen Vaughan wrote:
I would say its a file permissions error on the server in
which your restoring to.
  

OK, slap me over the head with a wet fish.
I had "read  in rsyncd.conf for one of the rsync modules at
the remote server...
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
 

  On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Micha Silver
  mi...@arava.co.il wrote:
  I
am unable to restore to linux servers. Backups are running fine, and I
rechecked that I can ssh as user backuppc from the backup server (Centos
5.4) directly to the clients (also Centos).  Furthermore, I can run
rsync as the backuppc user successfully upload files to the client.


Here's what appears in the LOG:


2009-11-01 11:31:17 User admin requested restore to my (my)
2009-11-01 11:31:17 Started restore on my (pid=10317)
2009-11-01 11:31:19 Restore failed on my (Unable to read 4 bytes)
2009-11-01 11:31:19 my: File::RsyncP::FileList::encode: missing rdev on
device file var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket

What am I missing??

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2009-11-09 Thread Micha Silver
BackupPC users:

I posted the below message previously. No response yet :-(

Any takers?


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Micha Silver wrote:

 I am unable to restore to linux servers. Backups are running fine, and I 
 rechecked that I can ssh as user backuppc from the backup server (Centos 
 5.4) directly to the clients (also Centos).  Furthermore, I can run 
 rsync as the backuppc user successfully upload files to the client.


 Here's what appears in the LOG:


 2009-11-01 11:31:17 User admin requested restore to my (my)
 2009-11-01 11:31:17 Started restore on my (pid=10317)
 2009-11-01 11:31:19 Restore failed on my (Unable to read 4 bytes)
 2009-11-01 11:31:19 my: File::RsyncP::FileList::encode: missing rdev on 
 device file var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket

 What am I missing??

 Thanks,

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2009-11-09 Thread Stephen Vaughan
I would say its a file permissions error on the server in which your
restoring to.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Micha Silver mi...@arava.co.il wrote:

 I am unable to restore to linux servers. Backups are running fine, and I
 rechecked that I can ssh as user backuppc from the backup server (Centos
 5.4) directly to the clients (also Centos).  Furthermore, I can run
 rsync as the backuppc user successfully upload files to the client.


 Here's what appears in the LOG:


 2009-11-01 11:31:17 User admin requested restore to my (my)
 2009-11-01 11:31:17 Started restore on my (pid=10317)
 2009-11-01 11:31:19 Restore failed on my (Unable to read 4 bytes)
 2009-11-01 11:31:19 my: File::RsyncP::FileList::encode: missing rdev on
 device file var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket

 What am I missing??

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2009-09-29 Thread Will
Hmm this sound familiar to what I was encountering. Have you tried to SSH to
the remote host with the backuppc (su - backuppc) user? 

 

Will

 

From: Simone S. Santiago [mailto:sim...@magistrainfo.com.br] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:22 PM
To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

 

Hi,

I have the ssh keys working for rsync and so I know that is working
correctly, however, I get the Last error is Unable to read 4 bytes.

My config host:

$Conf{BackupFilesOnly} = {};
$Conf{XferMethod} = 'rsync';
$Conf{NmbLookupCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath -A $host';
$Conf{NmbLookupFindHostCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath $host';
$Conf{PingCmd} = '$pingPath -c 1 $host';
$Conf{RsyncClientCmd} = '$sshPath -q -x -l root $hostIP $rsyncPath
$argList+';
$Conf{RsyncClientPath} = '/usr/bin/rsync';
$Conf{CompressLevel} = '9';

Have anyone ever seen this problem before?

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2009-09-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Simone S. Santiago wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have the ssh keys working for rsync and so I know that is working 
 correctly, however, I get the Last error is Unable to read 4 bytes.
 
 My config host:
 
 $Conf{BackupFilesOnly} = {};
 $Conf{XferMethod} = 'rsync';
 $Conf{NmbLookupCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath -A $host';
 $Conf{NmbLookupFindHostCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath $host';
 $Conf{PingCmd} = '$pingPath -c 1 $host';
 $Conf{RsyncClientCmd} = '$sshPath -q -x -l root $hostIP $rsyncPath
 $argList+';
 $Conf{RsyncClientPath} = '/usr/bin/rsync';
 $Conf{CompressLevel} = '9';
 
 Have anyone ever seen this problem before?

It is reported on the mail list fairly often, but usually turns out to 
be that the ssh keys were set up and tested as the root user on the 
backuppc server instead of the backuppc user, connecting as root to the 
target.  If you are sure you are running as the backuppc user, does
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Unable to read 4 bytes

2007-06-04 Thread Keith Edmunds
Hi Vyacheslav

 Any suggestions how to correct this?

Find the actual command in the log file and try running it interactively.

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