Re: [Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)
Will do, as excluding the maintenance costs the library works fine. After watching the technicians replace the robot arm two times, I suspect that the enclosure might be at fault as installing the new arm seemed was never smooth. I agree that given the history of this library, I'm not keen of keeping it as the main backup solution. It will boil down to maintenance costs vs new hardware price. Thanks for the input! Regards, Iñaki. On 11/30/2017 05:45 PM, Alan Brown wrote: On 30/11/17 16:18, itlinux_igtp wrote: Hi Alan, That was my initial plan, to just add two LTO7 drives to the current setup, however, the providers I contacted said drive cost was like 90% of the library and the current maintenance costs for the i80 are currently over 2500 euros a year, and I had to replace two robotic arms already so running without a maintenance contract would be extremely risky. Then there is the issue of where I can buy, as I work for a public institution in spain and there are several restrictions on where and how we can purchase :( I'll check again with the providers I have to get an exact quote, maybe this will be cheaper. Talk directly with Quantum Europe. There's a large profit margin for the reseller selling you a new changer+maintenance, so many providers add substantial charges. I have _never_ had to replace a robotic arm in any robot unit and the service managers of both Quantum and Overland have said that the level of failure of robot components is vanishingly rare (Overland expect their Neo2/4000 and 8000 range to last at least a decade.) The fact that you'e had to replace one twice is rather alarming and indicates that something's not setup correctly - don't assume that the maintenance people know what they're doing because they frequently don't and any kind of misalignment will give problems. GIven that history with that particular unit, I'd replace it, but don't assume its the design at fault. There's a nice youtube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG6cP8Tncgw which shows how simple they are. Running new hardware tech is something I always fear a bit, LTO8 should be fine, but I'd rather use something well tested, the increase speed an capacity though is tempting. Regards, Iñaki On 11/30/2017 05:06 PM, Alan Brown wrote: On 30/11/17 15:13, itlinux_igtp wrote: Dear List, We've been using Bacula with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library for a while now, and it has been working great since we deployed a bit more than three years ago. I have to thank the developers for creating and releasing such a great tool. It has been rock solid and improved the speed of our backups considerably and also is way nicer to manage than the previous proprietary solution. Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a dual drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if someone in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these (good or bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask first, just in case :) All of HP's changers are rebadged Quantum or Overland/Tandberg devices and both makers libraries work fine with bacula (I've used both, and HP-branded stuff too) However, you could just as easily add LTO7 drives into your i80 (or wait a couple of months and install LTO8) - talk to Quantum and see what they'll charge you to take this option. The design lifespan of the changer itself is _much_ longer than that of the drive Regards, Iñaki -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)
On 30/11/17 16:18, itlinux_igtp wrote: Hi Alan, That was my initial plan, to just add two LTO7 drives to the current setup, however, the providers I contacted said drive cost was like 90% of the library and the current maintenance costs for the i80 are currently over 2500 euros a year, and I had to replace two robotic arms already so running without a maintenance contract would be extremely risky. Then there is the issue of where I can buy, as I work for a public institution in spain and there are several restrictions on where and how we can purchase :( I'll check again with the providers I have to get an exact quote, maybe this will be cheaper. Talk directly with Quantum Europe. There's a large profit margin for the reseller selling you a new changer+maintenance, so many providers add substantial charges. I have _never_ had to replace a robotic arm in any robot unit and the service managers of both Quantum and Overland have said that the level of failure of robot components is vanishingly rare (Overland expect their Neo2/4000 and 8000 range to last at least a decade.) The fact that you'e had to replace one twice is rather alarming and indicates that something's not setup correctly - don't assume that the maintenance people know what they're doing because they frequently don't and any kind of misalignment will give problems. GIven that history with that particular unit, I'd replace it, but don't assume its the design at fault. There's a nice youtube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG6cP8Tncgw which shows how simple they are. Running new hardware tech is something I always fear a bit, LTO8 should be fine, but I'd rather use something well tested, the increase speed an capacity though is tempting. Regards, Iñaki On 11/30/2017 05:06 PM, Alan Brown wrote: On 30/11/17 15:13, itlinux_igtp wrote: Dear List, We've been using Bacula with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library for a while now, and it has been working great since we deployed a bit more than three years ago. I have to thank the developers for creating and releasing such a great tool. It has been rock solid and improved the speed of our backups considerably and also is way nicer to manage than the previous proprietary solution. Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a dual drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if someone in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these (good or bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask first, just in case :) All of HP's changers are rebadged Quantum or Overland/Tandberg devices and both makers libraries work fine with bacula (I've used both, and HP-branded stuff too) However, you could just as easily add LTO7 drives into your i80 (or wait a couple of months and install LTO8) - talk to Quantum and see what they'll charge you to take this option. The design lifespan of the changer itself is _much_ longer than that of the drive Regards, Iñaki -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)
On 2017-11-30 10:18, itlinux_igtp wrote: I'll check again with the providers I have to get an exact quote, maybe this will be cheaper. You might want to keep the old one anyway since LTOs are only guaranteed-compatible 2 generations back and your LTO-8 might refuse to restore LTO-5 tapes. Dima -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)
Hi Alan, That was my initial plan, to just add two LTO7 drives to the current setup, however, the providers I contacted said drive cost was like 90% of the library and the current maintenance costs for the i80 are currently over 2500 euros a year, and I had to replace two robotic arms already so running without a maintenance contract would be extremely risky. Then there is the issue of where I can buy, as I work for a public institution in spain and there are several restrictions on where and how we can purchase :( I'll check again with the providers I have to get an exact quote, maybe this will be cheaper. Running new hardware tech is something I always fear a bit, LTO8 should be fine, but I'd rather use something well tested, the increase speed an capacity though is tempting. Regards, Iñaki On 11/30/2017 05:06 PM, Alan Brown wrote: On 30/11/17 15:13, itlinux_igtp wrote: Dear List, We've been using Bacula with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library for a while now, and it has been working great since we deployed a bit more than three years ago. I have to thank the developers for creating and releasing such a great tool. It has been rock solid and improved the speed of our backups considerably and also is way nicer to manage than the previous proprietary solution. Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a dual drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if someone in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these (good or bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask first, just in case :) All of HP's changers are rebadged Quantum or Overland/Tandberg devices and both makers libraries work fine with bacula (I've used both, and HP-branded stuff too) However, you could just as easily add LTO7 drives into your i80 (or wait a couple of months and install LTO8) - talk to Quantum and see what they'll charge you to take this option. The design lifespan of the changer itself is _much_ longer than that of the drive Regards, Iñaki -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)
On 30/11/17 15:13, itlinux_igtp wrote: Dear List, We've been using Bacula with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library for a while now, and it has been working great since we deployed a bit more than three years ago. I have to thank the developers for creating and releasing such a great tool. It has been rock solid and improved the speed of our backups considerably and also is way nicer to manage than the previous proprietary solution. Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a dual drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if someone in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these (good or bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask first, just in case :) All of HP's changers are rebadged Quantum or Overland/Tandberg devices and both makers libraries work fine with bacula (I've used both, and HP-branded stuff too) However, you could just as easily add LTO7 drives into your i80 (or wait a couple of months and install LTO8) - talk to Quantum and see what they'll charge you to take this option. The design lifespan of the changer itself is _much_ longer than that of the drive Regards, Iñaki -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)
Sorry about the double post, I could not see the first one in the sourceforge page and assumed there was an issue with our mail system... Regards, Iñaki. On 11/30/2017 04:13 PM, itlinux_igtp wrote: Dear List, We've been using Bacula with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library for a while now, and it has been working great since we deployed a bit more than three years ago. I have to thank the developers for creating and releasing such a great tool. It has been rock solid and improved the speed of our backups considerably and also is way nicer to manage than the previous proprietary solution. Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a dual drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if someone in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these (good or bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask first, just in case :) Regards, Iñaki -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)
Dear List, We've been using Bacula with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library for a while now, and it has been working great since we deployed a bit more than three years ago. I have to thank the developers for creating and releasing such a great tool. It has been rock solid and improved the speed of our backups considerably and also is way nicer to manage than the previous proprietary solution. Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a dual drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if someone in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these (good or bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask first, just in case :) Regards, Iñaki -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)
Dear List, We've been using Bacula with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library for a while now, and it has worked great so far for more than three years. I have to thank the developers for creating and releasing such a great tool as it has been rock solid and improved the speed of our backups considerably and also being way nicer to manage than the previous proprietary solution. Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a dual drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if someone in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these (good or bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask first, just in case :) Regards, Iñaki -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
