Re: [Bacula-users] encrypting files?

2006-08-15 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I have a possible situation at work where one user (I'll not
> go into the details) needs to have all files from that
> workstation encrypted before they get on the network and on
> tape. Has there been a discussion, plan, or option I've overlooked
> such that the bacula-fd.conf can contain a passphrase for
> each file and when the files are read for sending to the
> director and sd the files are encrypted and when files are
> sent from the sd they are decrypted.
> 
> What I'm thinking is the fd is the gateway to everything
> else in bacula and that when a file goes out through the fd
> the file is encrypted and when the file comes in through fd to
> the workstation fd decrypts the file. The user on the workstation
> always sees unencrypted files, regular data as if nothing
> is different. Anybody sniffing on the network or finding
> a random tape is able to see the files, but since the files
> are encrypted the files and tape and anything on the network
> is useless.
> 
> If not discussed previously I'd like to see a parameter
> for what encryption program to use (pgp, gpg, enigma, etc)
> and a parameter for either a pass phrase, chat script,
> or something similiar to be given. Maybe the program needs
> two parameters, one for encryption and one for decryption.

Encryption is on the TODO list, but not available yet.

I suggest you look at the larger problem, however.  If the data on this
machine needs to be encrypted before going to tape, shouldn't the data
on the computer be protected from theft?  If someone breaks in and
steals that computer, you won't care about whether or not your backups
are encrypted.

Here, we have the critical stuff encrypted on-disk with pgp.  The pgp
encrypted folders show up as one big file, which can be backed up
normally with Bacula.  This protects against both situations.

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Collaborative Fusion Inc.

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[Bacula-users] encrypting files?

2006-08-15 Thread Mike
I have a possible situation at work where one user (I'll not
go into the details) needs to have all files from that
workstation encrypted before they get on the network and on
tape. Has there been a discussion, plan, or option I've overlooked
such that the bacula-fd.conf can contain a passphrase for
each file and when the files are read for sending to the
director and sd the files are encrypted and when files are
sent from the sd they are decrypted.

What I'm thinking is the fd is the gateway to everything
else in bacula and that when a file goes out through the fd
the file is encrypted and when the file comes in through fd to
the workstation fd decrypts the file. The user on the workstation
always sees unencrypted files, regular data as if nothing
is different. Anybody sniffing on the network or finding
a random tape is able to see the files, but since the files
are encrypted the files and tape and anything on the network
is useless.

If not discussed previously I'd like to see a parameter
for what encryption program to use (pgp, gpg, enigma, etc)
and a parameter for either a pass phrase, chat script,
or something similiar to be given. Maybe the program needs
two parameters, one for encryption and one for decryption.

Thoughts?

Mike


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[Bacula-users] encrypting files?

2006-08-15 Thread Mike
I have a possible situation at work where one user (I'll not
go into the details) needs to have all files from that
workstation encrypted before they get on the network and on
tape. Has there been a discussion, plan, or option I've overlooked
such that the bacula-fd.conf can contain a passphrase for
each file and when the files are read for sending to the
director and sd the files are encrypted and when files are
sent from the sd they are decrypted.

What I'm thinking is the fd is the gateway to everything
else in bacula and that when a file goes out through the fd
the file is encrypted and when the file comes in through fd to
the workstation fd decrypts the file. The user on the workstation
always sees unencrypted files, regular data as if nothing
is different. Anybody sniffing on the network or finding
a random tape is able to see the files, but since the files
are encrypted the files and tape and anything on the network
is useless.

If not discussed previously I'd like to see a parameter
for what encryption program to use (pgp, gpg, enigma, etc)
and a parameter for either a pass phrase, chat script,
or something similiar to be given. Maybe the program needs
two parameters, one for encryption and one for decryption.

Thoughts?

Mike


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Re: [Bacula-users] encrypting files?

2006-08-14 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Monday 14 August 2006 17:16, Ryan Novosielski wrote:
> But the release WAS 1.36 -- there was no 1.37. So... has the process
> changed here, or is the original post incorrect?

Bacula versions n.even.xx (e.g. 1.36.1 or 1.38.11) are production releases. 
Versions n.odd.xx (e.g. 1.37.5 or 1.39.18) are development releases for 
testing.

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> 
> John Drescher wrote:
> >> This is not the case.  We don't release like that.  What we have
> >> recently released is 1.39-beta.  Eventually, there will be a full
> >> 1.39 release.
> >>
> >> --
> > Sorry, It's been a long enough time with 1.38 that I forgot of the
> > previous release was 1.37 or 1.36.
> >
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Re: [Bacula-users] encrypting files?

2006-08-14 Thread Ryan Novosielski
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But the release WAS 1.36 -- there was no 1.37. So... has the process
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John Drescher wrote:
>> This is not the case.  We don't release like that.  What we have
>> recently released is 1.39-beta.  Eventually, there will be a full
>> 1.39 release.
>>
>> --
> Sorry, It's been a long enough time with 1.38 that I forgot of the
> previous release was 1.37 or 1.36.
> 
> John
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Re: [Bacula-users] encrypting files?

2006-08-12 Thread John Drescher
> This is not the case.  We don't release like that.  What we have
> recently released is 1.39-beta.  Eventually, there will be a full
> 1.39 release.
>
> --
Sorry, It's been a long enough time with 1.38 that I forgot of the
previous release was 1.37 or 1.36.

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Re: [Bacula-users] encrypting files?

2006-08-12 Thread Dan Langille
On 12 Aug 2006 at 4:19, John Drescher wrote:

> > Wonderful. Any estimate on the release of 1.39?

When it's ready.   Weeks or months, not days.

> The source has already been released. Since this is a odd number I
> believe all 1.39 releases will be beta only and you will have to wait
> for 1.40 for an official release.

This is not the case.  We don't release like that.  What we have 
recently released is 1.39-beta.  Eventually, there will be a full 
1.39 release.

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Re: [Bacula-users] encrypting files?

2006-08-12 Thread John Drescher
> Wonderful. Any estimate on the release of 1.39?
>
> Mike

The source has already been released. Since this is a odd number I
believe all 1.39 releases will be beta only and you will have to wait
for 1.40 for an official release.

John

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Re: [Bacula-users] encrypting files?

2006-08-11 Thread Mike
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Landon Fuller might have said:

> This functionality is available in the 1.39 betas; I have some  
> documentation on my web site:
>   http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/bacula/ 
> Configuring_Bacula_Encryption.20060305184424.26351.sandbox.html
> 
> The encryption is implemented in Bacula, using OpenSSL. Instead of  
> simple symmetric encryption, asymmetric encryption is used to encrypt  
> the session keys. This allows you to maintain a master keypair for  
> said user's encrypted data, and retain the ability to restore their  
> data should their encryption keypair be lost.
> 
> There is still one major gotcha, namely, it's possible for the  
> director to restore new keys or a bacula configuration file to the  
> client, and thus force later backups to be made with a compromised  
> key and/or with no encryption at all. There has been some discussion  
> on the list regarding solutions to this problem, including limiting  
> where the director can send a restoration job on the file daemon.

Wonderful. Any estimate on the release of 1.39?

Mike

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Re: [Bacula-users] encrypting files?

2006-08-11 Thread Landon Fuller


On Aug 11, 2006, at 13:24, Mike wrote:


I have a possible situation at work where one user (I'll not
go into the details) needs to have all files from that
workstation encrypted before they get on the network and on
tape. Has there been a discussion, plan, or option I've overlooked
such that the bacula-fd.conf can contain a passphrase for
each file and when the files are read for sending to the
director and sd the files are encrypted and when files are
sent from the sd they are decrypted.

What I'm thinking is the fd is the gateway to everything
else in bacula and that when a file goes out through the fd
the file is encrypted and when the file comes in through fd to
the workstation fd decrypts the file. The user on the workstation
always sees unencrypted files, regular data as if nothing
is different. Anybody sniffing on the network or finding
a random tape is able to see the files, but since the files
are encrypted the files and tape and anything on the network
is useless.

If not discussed previously I'd like to see a parameter
for what encryption program to use (pgp, gpg, enigma, etc)
and a parameter for either a pass phrase, chat script,
or something similiar to be given. Maybe the program needs
two parameters, one for encryption and one for decryption.


This functionality is available in the 1.39 betas; I have some  
documentation on my web site:
	http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/bacula/ 
Configuring_Bacula_Encryption.20060305184424.26351.sandbox.html


The encryption is implemented in Bacula, using OpenSSL. Instead of  
simple symmetric encryption, asymmetric encryption is used to encrypt  
the session keys. This allows you to maintain a master keypair for  
said user's encrypted data, and retain the ability to restore their  
data should their encryption keypair be lost.


There is still one major gotcha, namely, it's possible for the  
director to restore new keys or a bacula configuration file to the  
client, and thus force later backups to be made with a compromised  
key and/or with no encryption at all. There has been some discussion  
on the list regarding solutions to this problem, including limiting  
where the director can send a restoration job on the file daemon.


-landonf


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[Bacula-users] encrypting files?

2006-08-11 Thread Mike
I have a possible situation at work where one user (I'll not
go into the details) needs to have all files from that
workstation encrypted before they get on the network and on
tape. Has there been a discussion, plan, or option I've overlooked
such that the bacula-fd.conf can contain a passphrase for
each file and when the files are read for sending to the
director and sd the files are encrypted and when files are
sent from the sd they are decrypted.

What I'm thinking is the fd is the gateway to everything
else in bacula and that when a file goes out through the fd
the file is encrypted and when the file comes in through fd to
the workstation fd decrypts the file. The user on the workstation
always sees unencrypted files, regular data as if nothing
is different. Anybody sniffing on the network or finding
a random tape is able to see the files, but since the files
are encrypted the files and tape and anything on the network
is useless.

If not discussed previously I'd like to see a parameter
for what encryption program to use (pgp, gpg, enigma, etc)
and a parameter for either a pass phrase, chat script,
or something similiar to be given. Maybe the program needs
two parameters, one for encryption and one for decryption.

Thoughts?

Mike

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