Re: Words and Meanings
words have no meaning, people have meanings. I would appreciate it very much if someone could explain what this means. Dear Tim, I can tell you what I meant by that. ;-} Words in and of themselves have no instinsic meaningm they are just sounds. But those that use them intend things by those sounds, and what they intend is the meaning. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Words and Meanings
Hi Tim,
Words have no meaning unless we understand them. In
my case, words in a language that I don't understand have no meaning for me, but
people as a generic term have meaning.
Best wishes
Mike
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Tim Nolan
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Subject: Words and Meanings
Dear Friends.
"words have no meaning, people have meanings."
I would appreciate it very much if someone could explain what this
means.
I think words do have meaning. Granted, that meaning may change
over generations, and may change within different contexts, but words do
have meaning.
For example, If I say:
"After walking for 5hours on a dusty road, on a hot summer day, I
felt thirsty."
You all know what I mean.right? So those words have
meaning.
If words have no meaning, what is the purpose of books or
newspapers?
If words have no meaning, why do we send email to one another?
If words have no meaning, what is the point of conversation?
And as for the statement "people have meaning", I can partially
understand that.
But I still think words have meaning. The fact that you can read
this email, and understand it, is evidence that words have meaning.
Can anyone help me see what this statement is getting at?
Thanks,
Tim Nolan
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RE: Is there self examination in Islamic societies
RE The Trouble With Islam Today by Irshad Manji, recommended by Albert: I also highly recommend this book. Manji asks the tough, unavoidable questions that need to be dealt with both within contemporary Islam and outside of it. Her advantage is that she is a Muslim who speaks from direct experience and not only from observation. I've heard many of the same issues raised by my friend Nadia, a former Egyptian; as a young and free-thinking Muslim woman, she corroborates Manji's account. The book has been translated into over 20 languages at this time and has earned her death-threats from inside the Canadian Muslim community. (That, of course, simply reinforces one of her major points about today's Islam and tolerance.) Best wishes, Ian Kluge The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Is there self examination in Islamic societies
Ian Kluge wrote: RE The Trouble With Islam Today by Irshad Manji, recommended by Albert: I also highly recommend this book. Manji asks the tough, unavoidable questions that need to be dealt with both within contemporary Islam and outside of it. Her advantage is that she is a Muslim who speaks from direct experience and not only from observation. I've heard many of the same issues raised by my friend Nadia, a former Egyptian; as a young and free-thinking Muslim woman, she corroborates Manji's account. The book has been translated into over 20 languages at this time and has earned her death-threats from inside the Canadian Muslim community. (That, of course, simply reinforces one of her major points about today's Islam and tolerance.) Best wishes, Ian Kluge Thus, we see Islam has run it's course. The Mission of it's establishment was completed. It appears unconsciously to try to address issue for which it has no answers. It's interesting to me while following the links from her website and others that it is predominantly woman that are standing up and voicing the opposition, which by implication puts the man in the role of defending the mixture of tradition with modernity. Even if 3/4 of the Muslims in the world were to join these woman they would not find the answers in Islam. Maybe eventually Islam will take the route of Christianity and become a bit player in a secular society. That movement is already underway and will gather steam as the Mullahs in Iran are not delivering the historic beauty to society. Regards, Albert The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Is there self examination in Islamic societies
Dear Friends, If you want to see an even-handed approach to the ramifications of Islam in geo-political terms I would recommend you look at the book *Good Muslim, Bad Muslim: America, the Cold War, and the Roots of Terror* by Mahmood Mamdani. But I do not want to see this list become a forum for Muslim-bashing. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
re: Words and Meanings
hmmm. i know what u said...not what u mean. i have a sebnse of what u reported, not what u mean. i have beenb engaged in a 4 year ongoing discussion with a number of people who will not understand that the suffix _ity has a value, means something sepcific, concretly affectsthe noun or adjestive to which it is attached. and people refuse to hear it. i am having a one year discussion in which omse one tells me the dictionary definition of infallible is not their defintion, therefore i am wrong in what i say. this is in part why i answered susan with the concept of intent. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Words and Meaning
Hi Susan,Words in and of themselves have no instinsic meaning; they are just sounds.Yes. I think the book Finnegans Wake is a good example of this.But those that use them intend things by those sounds, and what they intend is the meaning. I see this the same way. Words do have meaning, but only because people agree that they do.Tim
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