Re: Ruhi and Charisma

[Susan Maneck]

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Ah, by charismatic you meant cultish. I've always used the Charismatic
Movement to refer to the movement in Christianity which emphasizes
gifts of the spirit (charisma) such as speaking in tongues.

. I can’t help but view the Ruhi movement as being something
> separate from the rest of the Baha’i community as a result of its own jargon
> and community agenda.

Keep in mind that the agenda has been set by the Universal House of
Justice, so I'm not sure how we can say it is separate from the rest
of the Baha'i community. Also, the House itself has adopted to the
'jargon' as you put it.

 Am I wrong in believing that without a Ruhi
> “education” you can’t serve the Faith?

Of course you can, at least in the US. (Can't answer for Canada,
sorry.) Ruhi was designed to increase human resources not limit them.

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Re: Ruhi and Charisma

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Hi Friends,

My question regarding Charisma and Ruhi is due to spotting this definition
in Wikipedia under the listing for New Religious Movements. If you replace
the word cult with the word movement you get what they refer to as the
social model. I can¹t help but view the Ruhi movement as being something
separate from the rest of the Baha¹i community as a result of its own jargon
and community agenda. Am I wrong in believing that without a Ruhi
³education² you can¹t serve the Faith?

Bill

Below is what I cut and pasted from Wiki.

Charismatic movements:

NRMs based on charismatic leadership often follow the routinization of
charisma 
 ,
as described by the German sociologist Max Weber
 .
In their book Theory of Religion, Rodney Stark and William Sims Bainbridge
propose that the formation of "cults" can be explained through a combination
of four models:] 

* The psycho-pathological model ­ the cult founder suffers from
psychological problems; he develops the cult in order to resolve these
problems for himself, as a form of self-therapy

* The entrepreneurial model ­ the cult founder acts like an entrepreneur,
trying to develop a religion which he/she thinks will be most attractive to
potential recruits, often based on his/her experiences from previous cults
or other religious groups he/she has belonged to

* The social model ­ the cult is formed through a social implosion, in which
cult members dramatically reduce the intensity of their emotional bonds with
non-cult members, and dramatically increase the intensity of those bonds
with fellow cult members ­ this emotionally intense situation naturally
encourages the formation of a shared belief system and rituals.

* The normal revelations model ­ the cult is formed when the founder chooses
to interpret ordinary natural phenomena as supernatural, such as by
ascribing his or her own creativity in inventing the cult to that of the
deity.


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Re: Ruhi and Charisma

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On 20/08/2012 3:42 AM, Skygram wrote:

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Susan,

Could Ruhi be defined as a Charismatic movement within the Baha'i Faith?

Bill


Probably in some countries YES, but not all countries or places.

Best regards,
Firouz


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Re: Ruhi and Charisma

[Susan Maneck]

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No, I wouldn't think so. Charismatic refers to gifts of the spirit.
The charismatic movement within Christianity is a form of mysticism,
though they would not like to admit it.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Skygram  wrote:
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> Could Ruhi be defined as a Charismatic movement within the Baha'i Faith?
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> Bill
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