Re: Written on behalf: Re: Questions lead to questions more often than not
Gilberto Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually, a question:It seemredlike recently, when I was putting up quotes from the centralfigures on the authenticity of the Quran and the problems with theBible, you are making a bigger deal about the fact that certain thingsweren't necessarily written by the Central figures by their own handbut were written "on behalf of" them. Does this mean those textsaren't authoritative? Are they on the level of pilgrim's notes? Arethere really multiple levels of authority that you are assuming here?PeaceGilberto
When Shoghi Effendi delegated a statenent to an assistant, he customarily reviewed the statement before it was sent. Therefore they are "authoritative", the quality about them that remains the same is that these issues dealt with specific guidance almost always. He reserved the broader, more general statements for his own pen. I think you will find any of the specific guidance written by others to be reiterations, or direct applications of what he wrote himself in his more general communications.
Usually these specific directions are found to be published in materialo from the National Assemblies or the House when giving guidance to the Baha`i's.
Regards,
Scott
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Re: Written on behalf: Re: Questions lead to questions more often than not
On 10/13/05, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "It seemredlike recently, when I was putting up quotes from the central
> figures on the authenticity of the Quran and the problems with the
> Bible, you are making a bigger deal about the fact that certain things
> weren't necessarily written by the Central figures by their own hand
> but were written "on behalf of" them."
>
> No, I didn't say that about the Central Figures nor do I remember your
> putting up quotes from them. I said that about the Guardian. He is not one
> of the Central Figures.
Oh, ok, so there was a terminology issue on my part. I was assuming
Central figures meant Bab, Bahaullah, Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi.
>
> "Does this mean those texts
> aren't authoritative?"
>
> They are authoritive but they are not his own words, therefore we can
> accept the intent of such messages but probably shouldn't make too much of
> diction.
Ok, I personally don't think I was hung up on the specific wording but
the intent confirms the things I'm saying.
Peace
Gilberto
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RE: Written on behalf: Re: Questions lead to questions more often than not
"That makes sense as a human being and a scholar. But being a Bahai has
something to do with accepting the statements of the Bahai
writings,no?"
Sure, but I don't think we are so much talking about what the Writings
themselves say as we are on the theological interpretations which are being
made on that basis.
"It seemredlike recently, when I was putting up quotes from the central
figures on the authenticity of the Quran and the problems with the
Bible, you are making a bigger deal about the fact that certain things
weren't necessarily written by the Central figures by their own hand
but were written "on behalf of" them."
No, I didn't say that about the Central Figures nor do I remember your
putting up quotes from them. I said that about the Guardian. He is not one
of the Central Figures.
"Does this mean those texts
aren't authoritative?"
They are authoritive but they are not his own words, therefore we can
accept the intent of such messages but probably shouldn't make too much of
diction.
warmest, Susan
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Written on behalf: Re: Questions lead to questions more often than not
On 10/12/05, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> " Now to my statement "But, there is a lot more that should have been in
> the Qur'an that was left out." No, I don't think this is accurate. Come to
> think of it, Baha'u'llah says that each Manifestation revealed a Book based
> on the capacity of its audience, so the Qur'an was perfect for its time, and
> its contents haven't changed since then."
> Dear Hajjir,
> I'm more inclined to let the evidence speak for itself rather than make
> theological presumptions on how they ought to be. To me the contents of both
> the Gospels and the Qur'an are sufficient testimony that they are from God,
> but I think of this as being true of the message as a whole, not the all the
> exact words.
That makes sense as a human being and a scholar. But being a Bahai has
something to do with accepting the statements of the Bahai
writings,no? And if the writings make definite claims on the subject
then I would expect a Bahai (when speaking in a religious context like
this) to stay close to those parameters.
Actually, a question:
It seemredlike recently, when I was putting up quotes from the central
figures on the authenticity of the Quran and the problems with the
Bible, you are making a bigger deal about the fact that certain things
weren't necessarily written by the Central figures by their own hand
but were written "on behalf of" them. Does this mean those texts
aren't authoritative? Are they on the level of pilgrim's notes? Are
there really multiple levels of authority that you are assuming here?
Peace
Gilberto
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