[BAROQUE-LUTE] Mouton

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear baroque luters,


I thought that the CNRS editions are out of print, but there is still 
the Mouton volume



https://www.cnrseditions.fr/catalogue/arts-et-essais-litteraires/oeuvres-de-charles-mouton/


Kind regards

Bernd


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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: facsimile of Sonata 50 in B-Flat MajoRe: Presto

[Bernd Haegemann]

On 04.04.2018 23:07, Luca Manassero wrote:

Hi Dominic,
  what I would do is as follows:
A. use SLWeiss.de to find out about the manuscript source of the Sonata
50. You'll easily find out that the Sonata 50 can only be found in the
Manuscript D-Dl - Ms. Mus. 2841-V-1, which is better known as the
Dresden Manuscript, at page 232;


.and p. 233
http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Partitions_pour_luth_baroque/Musiques/Les_manuscrits/Dresde/Fac-similes/Volume_4/WD27/Dresde_233unk.jpg



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Krebs

[Bernd Haegemann]

Click on "Valider et télécharger et le fichier".  (That means: 
validate and download the file.)

It's around 95 MB, pdf.


Excusez, it reads of course "Valider et télécharger le fichier".
B



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Krebs

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear Sterling,

You are right, there are two concerti.
There has been an edition by Ricordi or so in the 70s.
Didn't you buy that? ;-)

By accident you can find a facsimile here:

http://dl.free.fr/jn9XLAUjx

for 30 days.
Click on "Valider et télécharger et le fichier".  (That means: validate 
and download the file.)

It's around 95 MB, pdf.

Best regards
Bernd




On 23.05.2014 19:50, sterling price wrote:

I have been listening to a guitar version of a lute concerto by Johann
Ludwig Krebs. I don't see anywhere online if it has been recorded with
lute. Apparently Krebs wrote a C major and an F major lute concerto.
Does anyone know if these concertos are available anywhere?
Sterling

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'enciclopedie - Du But

[Bernd Haegemann]

It could perhaps refer to this book:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_grand_dictionaire_historique

Or may be the piece itself was estimated as highly learned?

B

On 21.05.2014 19:45, Rob MacKillop wrote:

Any background info regarding the piece on page 145 of the Saizenay manuscript, entitled 
"L'enciclopedie Allemande de Du But"? I'm wondering which encyclopedia might be 
being referred to.
My basic search with Google failed to bring up a French encyclopedia before 
D'Alembert. The closest I can find is a popular science book which became very 
popular in France, mid century: Pseudodoxia Epidemica by Thomas Browne, first 
published in English, and which refers to itself as an encyclopedia. But that 
might be way off target.

Any ideas?

Rob

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot a minor Folia

[Bernd Haegemann]

Have a look here:

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deu&id=1&exFilter=1&type=mss&st=0&title=Fo&key=&msnam=&comp=Gallot

The Saizenay ms is online, enjoy !

B
On 20.05.2014 22:01, Thomas Schall wrote:

Hi all

Could anybody please point me to the Folia in a minor by Gallot?
It's such a fantastic piece! And I would like to try my fingers on it ...

Best wishes
Thomas

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Twelve Course Lutes

[Bernd Haegemann]

On 18.05.2014 18:41, James Jackson wrote:

I'm getting some very odd rearrangement of letters in my messages - a
server problem perhaps?
Letter A is disappearing and D is getting on converted to A and numbers
I'm typing are disappearing - weird!
James.


That happens always when they get new trainees in the NSA...

B



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tablature

[Bernd Haegemann]

Chers amis,

if you set the filter like this

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deu&id=1&exFilter=1&type=mss&st=0&title=Mouton&key=&msnam=&comp=Vis%E9e

you find that the piece is in the Saizenay ms. on page 76. It's in e 
minor! Only 236 pieces in the repertoire are in e-minor.


Then we go to this nice website:

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/links/Digital-Facsimiles.html


where we find to our joy and excitement that the library in Besancon has 
made the effort to digititatilizizize the ms:


http://culture.besancon.fr/ark:/48565/a011284026247S0XA9H/1/1

And there we go!

B






On 29.04.2014 19:38, James Jackson wrote:

Hi all,
Can anyone point me in the direction of the tablature forA Tombeau De
Mouton by De Visee for baroque lute? I would be most grateful :)
Many thanks,
James

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: request...

[Bernd Haegemann]

As it seems those journals are still available from the LSA.


On 23.04.2014 22:14, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:

Dear all,

I would be very grateful indeed if someone on this list could scan and send me 
the resulting pdf of these articles from old Journals of the LSA :
E. Vogl: ‘The Lute Music of Johann Anton Losy’, JLSA, xiv (1981), 5–58 and/or 
T. Crawford: ‘ New Sources of the Music of Count Losy’, JLSA, xv (1982), 52–83

Thank you very much to all in advance for your help.

All the best,

Jean-Marie Poirier
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] a new prof in Munich

[Bernd Haegemann]

   Dear all,
   Evangelina Mascardi will start teaching at the
   Hochschule fuer Musik und Theater Muenchen
   from october.
   So, oil your fingertips, brush up your Bavarian and apply until 31
   march.
   www.musikhochschule-muenchen.de
   Historische Auffuehrungspraxis
   Congratulations to Evangelina!
   Bernd
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The comet is coming!!!

[Bernd Haegemann]

I read that a comet is only a dirty snowball speeding around with no 
driving licence. Do you really want us to play with it? ;.)




Am 19.11.2013 22:30, schrieb DANIEL SHOSKES:

Dear all: as brought to my attention by Cathy Liddell, a new comet is rounding 
the sun and heading for earth's orbit. If it survives the trip, it is believed 
that it might be visible to the naked eye during the day, just like the 1680 
comet which inspired Gallot's chaconne, La Comet.

http://www.jwwerner.com/history/Comet.html

Here's an idea. How about we round up as many baroque lutenists as we can to make an 
audio or video recording of the piece and upload to youtube? We can then have an 
"all comet, all the time" playlist which we might even be able to pitch to the 
media.

Cathy has made a nice clean Fronimo version which I have uploaded here: 
http://cl.ly/3U3w1u2h0M1V

What do you all think? Please spread the word through any and all lute related 
media and let's have fun with it!! If you do upload, let me know and I’ll keep 
a running tally.

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Cologne lute MS?

[Bernd Haegemann]

Is it this?

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1&type=ms&ms=D-KNu&lang=deu&showmss=1 





Am 31.10.2013 19:10, schrieb William Samson:

Dear collective wisdom,

You're probably aware of the 'Lautenbuch Livre pour le lut Koeln, 18.
Jahrhundert' published by Schott ED5425, edited by Giesbert perhaps in
the 1930s

There's some nice stuff in there and I was trying to learn more about
the original MS.  Apparently it was held in the Stadtsbibliotheque in
Cologne, but I can find no mention of it anywhere apart from the Schott
publication.

I know that there were hundreds of bombing raids against Cologne in the
second world war.  Perhaps it was destroyed at that time?

Does anybody know any more about this MS?

Thanks,

Bill

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes

[Bernd Haegemann]

So, the discussion is closed ;-))


Am 18.10.2013 21:26, schrieb Roman Turovsky:

Edlinger is my favorite model.
RT


On 10/18/2013 3:03 PM, BENJAMIN NARVEY wrote:

Dear All,

I am getting a small theorbo made after Edlinger, but my lute maker
feels the model is excessively thin; she is worried about
sound/projection. I should think the sound may be less complex than
deeper lutes, but perhaps I will have more projection since less 
sound

will get trapped in the belly.

Does anyone have experience with Edlinger-type models? I would 
like to

stay as close to the original body as possible and see what happens,
but the maker has never made anything so shallow before and is 
getting

slightly cold feet about it.

Any and all thoughts would be much appreciated!

In any event, it should be a dream to hold!

Bonne musique,

Benjamin

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Looking for a Prince and a Madame

[Bernd Haegemann]

   For the first one, perhaps one of these guys
   [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_of_Cond%C3%A9
   As far as the 2nd one is concerned:

  Dictionnaire de l'Academie franc,aise, 1st Edition (1694)

   madame

 Madame. s. f. Titre qu'on donne par honneur aux femmes de qualite,
 soit en parlant d'elles, soit en parlant `a elles, soit en leur
 escrivant. Madame la Princesse. Madame la Duchesse. Madame la
 Marquise. En parlant des Reines on ne dit point Madame la Reine, on
 dit seulement la Reine, & on ne se sert du titre de Madame, qu'en
 leur parlant ou en leur escrivant.Madame, si vostre Majeste. ... Le
 titre de Madame se donne aussi `a toutes les filles de France en
 parlant d'elles ou `a elles; Il se donne aussi aux Religieuses
 rentees. Par le mot deMadame sans autre suite on entend la femme de
 Monsieur, frere du Roy. Chevalier d'honneur de Madame. Premier
 Maistre d'Hostel. Premier Aumosnier de Madame. Le peuple en parlant
 des Saintes, dit, Madame sainte Anne. Madame sainte Genevieve, &c.

 Madame, Est aussi un titre que l'on donne aux femmes & aux filles
 des bourgeois, en parlant d'elles ou `a elles. Madame Jourdain.
 Madame Margot.

 Quoy que regulierement parlant, le mot de Madame ne doive point
 recevoir d'article ni rien qui tienne lieu d'article, on ne laisse
 pas de dire par raillerie, & bassement. Elle fait la Madame. c'est
 une belle Madame.

   So it is perhaps the wife of the king's brother.
   By the way: hundreds of ancient dictionaries, grammars etc. on
   [2]www.lexilogos.com
   best regards
   B
   Am 14.07.2013 12:16, schrieb David van Ooijen:

Collected wisdom, any clues to the identities of Mr. Le Prince de
Conde in Gallot's "Tombeau de Mr. Le Prince de Conde" and the Madame
in Moutons' "Tombeau de Madame, Pavanne"?

David


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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: An interesting German song arr to lute solo

[Bernd Haegemann]

Am 04.06.2013 22:40, schrieb Arto Wikla:

Dear baroque lutenists,

today I happened to find an interesting song setting to lute solo, 
quite well made, in the D-LEm ms. II.6.24, Leipzig, Städtische 
Bibliotheken, Musikbibliothek. The piece is also named interestingly: 
"Die weil ich nun Kein Weib nicht habe u. auch noch keines haben will".


Does anyone happen to know this song?


No, but I know the idea :-)))


B



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pierre Gaultier in 1720! Old "early music"?

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear Arto


I happened to find something interesting: A Courante by Pierre 
Gaultier in a ms. of much later times,



That's not the only one in the so called "Kalivoda Ms."

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deu&id=1&exFilter=1&type=mss&st=0&title=&key=&msnam=RA&comp=Gaultier 




best regards
Bernd






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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 3rd finger in french baroque?

[Bernd Haegemann]

Am 25.02.2013 14:38, schrieb James Jackson:

I am aware of a few examples from the Saizenay manuscript, where third
finger marks are clearly indicated, particularly where large mounts of
strumming are involved. I.e. "La Cascade" (Gaultier/Launay).


Sorry, I can't find theses markings. On the contrary, I see 5 
note-chords mit a clear  ".." (for the middle finger) on the top , so 
that the tones below are to be played with index and thumb.


I didn't look up the concordances.

Could you show us a place where the third finger is indicated?


Best regards
Bernd



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Respighi/the birds/Gallot

[Bernd Haegemann]

Am 10.01.2013 18:09, schrieb Roland Hayes:

Dear Collective Wisdom: Does anyone know which Gallot piece was used
for "the dove" by Respighi as part of "The Birds?"  Thanks in advance.
r



Dear Roland,

thank you for bringing it to our attention!
I can't help loving the stuff! How did he get to know Gallot's music?

As for the sources have a look here:

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deu&id=2&type=mss&st=0&title=pig&key=&msnam=&comp=Gallot


Ornithological greetings
Bernd



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sonata in C Major by Conradi

[Bernd Haegemann]

It was published by Tree Edition

http://www.tree-edition.com/index_htm_files/TREE%20%20EDITION%20Catalogue.pdf



Am 08.12.2012 13:22, schrieb James Jackson:

Hi all,

Does anybody know where I can find the tablature for Conradi's famous
Sonata in C major? I'm having trouble locating it and I'd really like
to learn it.

Cheers!

James.

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [Lute] Paul Charles Durant Sonata in A

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear Charles,

do you mean in "a" - in a minor?

I put it here:


www.lute-academy.be/docstore/durant_a.pdf

best regards
Bernd


Am 05.12.2012 21:55, schrieb Charles Browne:

Dear All,
are there any copies of this sonata available? I see that Jean Daniel Forget 
has some of Durant's works on his site but not this particular one
I would be most grateful for any help
thank you
Charles






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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Vienna lute music 1672

[Bernd Haegemann]

PS What is Peter Steur's code for this ms.?


Dear Arto,

Peter's page is so valuable because it has a search funtion :-))

for example:

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deu&id=2&type=mss&st=0&title=&key=&msnam=&comp=Peyer

and at once you'll land at

A-Wn ms. 18826


a ms that obviously contains only 6 pieces...

best wishes
Bernd



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Zeitzeichen S.L.Weiss

[Bernd Haegemann]

For those who understand German: 15 min on S.L.Weiss

http://medien.wdr.de/radio/zeitzeichen/WDR5_Zeitzeichen_20121012_0920.mp3





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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Bach and the lute - Symposium in Bremen 9 - 11 nov

[Bernd Haegemann]

   Dear all,
   I would like to inform you about the
   1. Bremen Symposium on Lute Music, which is going to take place from 9
   - 11 november
   directed by Prof. Joachim Held
   The subject is "The compositions for lute by J.S. Bach".
   with: Tim Crawford - Andreas Schlegel - David Ledbetter - Nigel North -
   Joachim Held - Hans-Joachim Schulze, etc.
   More information you'll find here:
   [1]http://www.lautengesellschaft.de/program_lautensymposium_1.pdf
   best regards
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weyrauch

[Bernd Haegemann]

Am 29.09.2008 14:35, schrieb Stephan Olbertz:

Does anyone know what this exactly is?
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=u0dHmUORzEk

I didn't know that we have a composition by Johann Christian Weyrauch. Meyer 
doesn't list
anything. Hm...


I'm just reading in an article by Alfred Dürr the following quotation 
from a letter by Louise Adelgunde Victorie Kulmus to her later husband  
J. G. Gottsched [30.5.1732]:


Die überschickten Stücke zum Clavier von Bach, und von Weyrauch zur 
Laute, sind eben so schwer wie sie schön sind. Wenn ich sie zehnmal 
gespielt habe, scheine ich mir immer noch eine Anfängerin darinnen. Von 
diesen beyden grossen Meistern gefällt mir alles besser  als ihre 
Capricen; diese sind unergründlich schwer.


[The pieces you sent me  - by Bach for the harpsichord and by Weyrauch 
for the lute - are as beautiful as they are difficult. When I have 
played them ten times I still feel like a beginner. Of these to great 
masters I like anything better than their Caprices which are 
unfathomably difficult.]



If she calls Weyrauch a "great master" she must have seen quite some 
good stuff by him, because the lady was a critic.
Dürr supposes that the mentioned Clavierstücke by Bach are the "1. Teil 
der Clavierübung".


Did Luca Pianca answer in the meantime (4 years ;-) where he took the 
"Preludio" from?


Best regards
Bernd



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Tomasz Jeż: About the Provenance of the Lute Tablatures from Grüssau

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear Grzegorz,

> In the near future it will be much more big work about this 
collection. I promise:)


Why don't you put some chapters on WikiLeaks already, then we'd have 
something to read while we are waiting ;-)

Serdecznie pozdrawiam

Bernd



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [Lute] ornament sign

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear Charles,

in the places you mention it seems to be an appogiatura from below.
There can be no "run of grace notes", because between i and k there is 
only a half tone.
Or do you propose an microtonal influence of some asian guests on Count 
Logy? ;-)




Am 14.09.2012 13:25, schrieb Charles Browne:

Can anyone give me more information about this ornament sign? It looks like a 
slur but there is no connecting tab letter. I have a feeling it denotes a 'run 
of grace notes' up to the note displayed but I cannot find any adequate 
explanation . I am looking at the Tree Edition of the Losy works from the 
Kalmar MS where the sign appears frequently
thank you

Charles Browne
char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [Lute] ornament sign

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear Charles, please mention a page nr, name of the piece or so...
Do we speak about S-K21072?
http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=2&type=ms&ms=S-Klm21072&lang=deu&showmss=1 




Am 14.09.2012 13:25, schrieb Charles Browne:

Can anyone give me more information about this ornament sign? It looks like a 
slur but there is no connecting tab letter. I have a feeling it denotes a 'run 
of grace notes' up to the note displayed but I cannot find any adequate 
explanation . I am looking at the Tree Edition of the Losy works from the 
Kalmar MS where the sign appears frequently
thank you

Charles Browne
char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] summer agenda

[Bernd Haegemann]

Tu felix Belgia;-)

I just added 35 (!) concert-with-lute-participation items for july & 
august to our agenda



http://www.lute-academy.be/xlagenda327-nl/index.php


best regards
Bernd





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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Re: Arpeggio question

[Bernd Haegemann]

Oh! Best regards to the Vienna lute festival and everybody attending there!
I hope you have a good time!
Holdrikafeitzel , Grüß Gott and Jodeldididudeldö!



Am 17.05.2012 16:42, schrieb Grzegorz Joachimiak:

Dear Bernd, Christopher, Martin, Andreas,

if I properly remember Karl-Ernst Schroeder wrote the article about the Sonata 
A-dur S-C (SW) 47 by S. L. Weiss and the intriguing fantasie from the so-called 
Krzeszow lute tablatures collection: PL-WRu 60019 Muz. (olim in Wroclaw as Mf. 
2002). This piece is also in two others manuscripts from this collection: PL-Wu 
RM 4140 (olim in Wroclaw as Mf. 2008) and PL-Wu RM 4141 (olim in Wroclaw as Mf. 
2009). For the other parts of this piece you have to see to the famous 
D-Dl2841-V-1 manuscript and
to the SBB Berlin Mus. ms. Bach P 226 - part for cembalo. This piece was lately 
very interesting also for Jurek Zak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U85kB6rWPNQ

Best wishes from Vienna Lute Festival!

Grzegorz

Dnia 17-05-2012 o godz. 13:45 Christopher Wilke napisał(a):

 Bernd,
This is a tricky thing. Usually, I try to find a pattern written
out in some other lute solo. Karl-Ernst Schroeder did a very good
survey of the ones found in Weiss sonatas. (I don't remember the source
off the top of my head.) I find a strict pattern to be uninteresting,
however, and so I occasionally vary the base pattern for effect when
the progression is interesting or when there's an especially dissonant
chord. I usually keep a consistent number of notes in each chord. Who
knows if this is really correct? Many times the arpeggio sections are
unmeasured and the very fact that a pattern was not specified on the
page may imply that a more rhapsodic and personally idiosyncratic
approach was intended.
 For progressions in which the number of notes varies, you could
always make a patchwork of patterns utilizing each grouping from
various existing solos, such as Schroeder compiled. Or you could follow
your own muse and see where it takes you.
Chris
Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
www.christopherwilke.com
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  From: Bernd Haegemann
  Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Arpeggio question
  To:
  Cc: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List", "baroque
  Lutelist"
  Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 5:17 AM

Dear all,
sometimes we find in baroque lute music chains of chords, notated
evenly as it seems and with the mark "arpeggio" or "arp".
Now, if the chain looked like this (with n being the number of notes in
the chord)
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
or
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
one would think of some arpeggio scheme to use it in such a passage.
But what the number of notes in the chords looks like this
5 5 5 5 5 5 3 3 3 2 3 3 4 6 6 5 4 4 4
or so?
What would you do?
Thank you for your hints!
best regards
Bernd
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Arpeggio question

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear all,

sometimes we find in baroque lute music chains of chords, notated evenly 
as it seems and with the mark "arpeggio" or "arp".
Now, if the chain looked like this (with n being the number of notes in 
the chord)


4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4

or

5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5

one would think of some arpeggio scheme to use it in such a passage.

But what the number of notes in the chords looks like this


5 5 5 5 5 5 3 3 3 2 3 3 4 6 6 5 4 4 4

or so?

What would you do?
Thank you for your hints!

best regards
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: La belle homicide

[Bernd Haegemann]

Good morning,


manuscript. It's true, many concordances bear the title, but some don't, and
some have a different label, e. g. Label Homoïse (Stockholm MAB No. 3) or La
bella haut musie. (Erik. Ark. 52c).


those these look very much like the common misspellings ..

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: CDs

[Bernd Haegemann]

Hi!
There are 3 new items on our "New CDs page"



Four!
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!
There are 4 new items on our "New CDs page"!

http://www.lute-academy.be/CMSimple/en/?News:New_CDs

regards
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] CDs

[Bernd Haegemann]

Hi!
There are 3 new items on our "New CDs page"

http://www.lute-academy.be/CMSimple/en/?News:New_CDs





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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss London manuscript

[Bernd Haegemann]

Try to download with a different browser, NOT Internet Explorer.


- Original Message - 
From: "Giuliano Lucini" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 6:15 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Weiss London manuscript



Hello,
I was trying to dowload the Weiss London manuscript from 
http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr but I get a strange message and 
cannot open the zip files.
Do you know if there is another place where I can download the London 
manuscript?

Looking forward to play L'infidele suite XXIII,
Grazie mille,
Giuliano



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss for 11c

[Bernd Haegemann]

  the entire Paris MS is for the 11-course lute. Charming stuff BTW
  Best wishes


. there are some "5"s and "6"s lurking though...

(we are talking about the "Weiss à Rome" ms, aren't we?)

best regards
Bernd






  Thomas

  Am Dienstag, 26. Juli 2011, 18.06:44 schrieb Christopher Pearcy:

  > Dear List

  > As some-one who plays exclusively the French repertory, I'm now
  looking

  > to explore Weiss a little. Can anyone let me know what the best
  primary

  > sources for his 11c music are? I suspect that the London ms is
  probably

  > one - but how much of it is for 11c lute?

  > Best wishes

  > Chris Pearcy

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Library search

[Bernd Haegemann]

  Dear List,
  I am looking for a short excerpt of a publication which has proven
  difficult to find and (unfortunately) expensive:
  ROLLIN MONIQUE, Les oeuvres de Lully transcrites pour le luth. In
  <>, Laaber Verlag 1990, pp. 483-494




Well, it is not here in the Bibliotheque royale, otherwise I would go there for 
you.

You can buy it from a Dutch antiquarian,

http://www.abebooks.de/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=5003794421&cm_ven=am&cm_cat=kvk&cm_ite=5003794421

25 EUR is quite ok for a book of 600 + pages in good state..

best wishes
Bernd

Bibliographical Data:

Jean-Baptiste Lully : actes du colloque, Kongreßbericht; Saint-Germain-en-Laye - Heidelberg 
1987 / réunis par Jérôme de La Gorce ...

 Beteiligt La Gorce, Jérôme / de

 Erschienen Laaber : Laaber-Verl. [u.a.], 1990
 Umfang 618 S. : Ill., graph. Darst., Notenbeisp.
 Schriftenreihe Neue Heidelberger Studien zur Musikwissenschaft ; 18
 Anmerkung Beitr. teilw. dt, teilw. engl., teilw. franz.

 ISBN 3-89007-211-9
 Sonstige Nummern OCLC: 25832976

 Art und Inhalt Kongressdokument
 RVK-Notation LP 18150 Musikwissenschaft/I. Musica theoretica/Allgemeines/Serien 
allgemeinen Inhalts/Neue Heidelberger Studien zur Musikwissenschaft


 Sachgebiete DDC 780/.92

 Schlagwortfolge *Lully, Jean-Baptiste ; Kongress ; Heidelberg <1987>





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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Saiznay

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear Roland,


Ånyone who knows the composer of the chaconne & the saraband  (F
major) on p 121 in Saiznay? I have the book at home and brought only a
photo-copy out in the country... Most greatful for info.



http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?ms=F-B279152&id=2&type=ms&lang=deu&st=100


is your friend. There seem to be no known concordances or attributions,

best wishes
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baron concerto for lute and recorder

[Bernd Haegemann]

It is not in Brussels, I live here and I have never seen it hangign around ;)

It is in one of the sold Harrach fascicles (13?), now in New York. 


best regards
Bernd



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Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Baron concerto for lute and recorder



Dear friends
do you know anything about the source of the Baron d minor Concerto  
for lute and recorder published by Seicento Ed? No information is  
available in this edition and the lute part sounds very much as if it  
were Weiss.

Any help?
Thanks a lot
Andrea



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baron concerto for lute and recorder

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear all,


http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_compositeurs/Ernst_Gottlieb_Baron/Baron.htm



If you have problems downloading or opening .zip files from Daniel's page, try a browser 
that is NOT

Internet Explorer.

best wishes

Bernd



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces

[Bernd Haegemann]

I have a vague memory of seeing name Pachelbel mentioned in some b-lute
mss; and I have not seen the two mss in Peter's listing - actually I am
quite sure I've seen it...



Dear Arto, I have the same impression. I have seen the name Pachelbel - but I have never 
seen the two mss in question...


best wishes
Bernd




On the other hand I doubt P. himself composed anything directly to lute
solo; so I guess the mss's pieces are arrangements themselves. So why don't
you arrange your P. favorites to the b-lute by yourself, Theo? My tiny
experience suggests that baroque pieces work often quite well on baroque
lute. Same feeling, by the way, in renaissance pieces being suitable to the
renaissance lute... Perhaps this is not just a coincidence... :)

Best,

Arto


On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:32:45 +0200, "Bernd Haegemann"  wrote:

beste Theo,



Are there a few pieces composed by Johann Pachelbel in a baroque lute
manuscript somewhere




http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deu&id=2&type=mss&st=0&nm=50&title=&key=&msnam=&comp=Pachelbel



(does my memory serve me correct)? If so, which manuscript, and do they
have any musical
interest?




Have they been recorded? thanks,  trj



I only know of one recording:

http://www.amazon.de/Resveur-Anthony-Bailes/dp/B9VGUU


groeten
Bernd



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces

[Bernd Haegemann]

beste Theo,



Are there a few pieces composed by Johann Pachelbel in a baroque lute 
manuscript somewhere


http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deu&id=2&type=mss&st=0&nm=50&title=&key=&msnam=&comp=Pachelbel


(does my memory serve me correct)? If so, which manuscript, and do they have any musical 
interest?





Have they been recorded? thanks,  trj



I only know of one recording:

http://www.amazon.de/Resveur-Anthony-Bailes/dp/B9VGUU


groeten
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bittner 1682/1702

[Bernd Haegemann]

I see that Tree Edition has reprinted Bittner's "Pieces de Luth" 1702. Did Bittner 
actually publish two books with the same title, the same book republished twenty years 
later, or a false date listed on the LP?



Don't get me started :-)

We have one of the prints here in Brussels

Michael Treder wrote a great introduction to the facsimile edited by TREE, which brings 
together everything that is known about Bittner and his book.


Of the print there are four copies extant:

1) the one here in Brussels, olim in the collection of Charles Edmond Henri de Coussemaker 
("1682")

=> this is the model for the Junghänel/Päffgen/Schaeffer - Facsimile (1974)

2) one in the Bibliothèque Nationale in Paris, from the former collection of Sébastien de 
Brossard ("1682")

=> Minkoff facsimile 1975

3) One from the collection of Dragan Plamenac, now in Yale, no call number 
("1682")


4) copy in the "Oberösterreichische Museen Linz" ("1702")
=> Tree edition facsimile 2009

Then there is still one more modern edition bei Seicentomusic, Emmendingen 2000, of which 
the model is not known. We could ask Rainer ! :-))


There is also an almost complete ms of the pieces - Kalmar (S-Klm 21 072)

As far as 1) - 4) are concerned they are the same print, only the title copper of 4) has 
been changed - for what reasons we don't know.


best regards

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Promenade en Europe Luth Baroque by Mauricio Buraglia - on iTunes

[Bernd Haegemann]

Go directly to magnatunes.com

They send CDs, you can even decide the price - and I got 2 free downloads of the CD for 
friends.

Very generous.

best wishes
Bernd



- Original Message - 
From: "David Starbuck" 

To: "Roman Turovsky" 
Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:34 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Promenade en Europe Luth Baroque by Mauricio Buraglia - on 
iTunes



The sound clips sound very good. But can you buy a CD? I don't have  any of those iThings 
and don't want to clog up my computer with non- work things.


Also, a question for the group: Why do we seem to predominantly get  pieces in minor keys 
on recordings? Seems a bit depressing sometimes.  I just got Stephen Stubbs CD of the St. 
Luc pieces. All but the first  few pieces in delightfully mood uplifting major keys. Not 
everything  was written in c or d minor.


-David


On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:


Mauricio Buraglia's latest CD has been released -
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/promenade-en-europe-luth-baroque/id428540021

RT



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?

[Bernd Haegemann]

Nice, but, 




The main page
   http://www.rism.info/

Or what is this?



I cite:

The information in Series B and C is still only available in book form. 





And Boetticher is the the B series, I think :))



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?

[Bernd Haegemann]

I erred: I have the Lei.II.6.24 by Tree Edition - fantastic collection - 
but not the Lei.II.6.14. In the cataloque of Tree there is also 
Lei.III.11.26, but I cannot find the Lei.II.6.14 there?


Tree edition has it - and I have it from them.
It is almost all Gallot,

see:

http://w1.bnu.fr/smt/d.htm


The II.6.24 is something different, Peter has it here:

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?ms=D-LEm6-24&id=2&type=ms&lang=deu



I find that we all should get the RISM for free from the UN Lute High 
Commissioner.

B



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Séparé

[Bernd Haegemann]

there is also - at least- one ms. where one can find notations like


e
/
d
\

/a



which is, of course, only to prevent the reading


e
/
d


//a








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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] AW: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Séparé

[Bernd Haegemann]

always starting from below. My individual opinion is, though, that you can
very well try to take \ as implying a start from the upper line (as long as
you keep the voices).


Your individual opinion gets some support! :)

I just had a look on the concordances of the courante "La belle malade" (must have a private 
health insurance) on fol 32v. in the Leipzig ms, where we find a


e
\
a

séparé.

Kremsmünster 79 has

e
/
a

instead, while Praha KK83

has a "written out séparé"

|\.  |=
e
a


best wishes
Bernd







Mathias


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   Dear Colleagues,
   I'm working now on the Leipzig II 6.14 Ms. and find there two sorts of
   separe signs:
   / and \
   The first is the usual you see everywhere and where i tend to think the
   breaking begins with the lower note.
   But does the second sign means that the breaking starts from the top
   note?
   Any ideas?
   Many thanks,
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Amant unique?

[Bernd Haegemann]

sans chanterelle, but can't think of any other piece that dispenses with the 
second course
as well.


The las piece in Reusner's "Erfreuliche  Lauten -Lust" (1667) is a

Courante sine quintâ, quartâ et tertiâ


Quinta is the highest string, if I remenber it correctly, as in German 
"Quintsait" or so...
So there you have a piece without the top 3 ch.

best wishes

Bernd














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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pirc Defense: Austrian Attack. Weiss Variation

[Bernd Haegemann]

  That would be
  1. e4 d6
  2. d4 Nf6
  3. Nc3 g6
  4. f4 Bg7
  5. Nf3 o-o
  6. Bd3 ...


Damn'd German tablature!
But a nice piece without known concordances.
I am not sure that it is by Weiss though: Austrian attack and Pirc defense sounds more like 
St. Luc to me...;-)



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: French Baroque Lute Music from 1650-1700

[Bernd Haegemann]

We' ll host the introduction for a while  on our site. You can download it


http://www.lute-academy.be/docstore/rolfhamre.pdf


regards
Bernd



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Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: French Baroque Lute Music from 1650-1700




Dear collegues,
Thank you for your interest. For those interested I have attached to
this mail, a pdf of the introduction so you can see what it is all
about.

Best whishes
Robin Rolfhamre




Siterer Luca :


   Dear Per Kjetil,
  the book looks very promising, but also very expensive! Maybe an
   excerpt could help amateurs invest USD 70 + shipping costs...
   Thanks,
   Luca

   On Nov 29, 2010, Per Kjetil Farstad  wrote:

 Dear lute list.
 May I recommend this informative book from the Swedish/Norwegian
 lute researcher Robin Rolfhamre:
 "French baroque lute music from 1650-1700: A study of the art of
 playing the lute"
 You find more infromation on amazonat this adress:
 [1]http://www.amazon.com/French-baroque-lute-music-1650-1700/dp/3639
 308514/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid89893630&sr=1-1
 Happy reading!
 Best regards from Per Kjetil Farstad

References

   1.
http://www.amazon.com/French-baroque-lute-music-1650-1700/dp/3639308514/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid89893630&sr=1-1


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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weekend..

[Bernd Haegemann]

That chaconne is really quite something. Lots of complexity with hints of Biber or 
possibly Kellner.


Anyone have a guess as to the composer?



Definitely a lovely piece by someone who knew what he did.

It has, as many lute chaconnes, a last "couplet" with chromatic figures.
Does somebody know when this practive started?



P.S.
Would one repeat the theme once again after that chromatic part?
(I just imagine that it would make me smile when I would have to finish the 47 pages of 
Kellner's work  with that chromatical end strainthough there is nothing funny about 
chromaticism, of course...



best regards
Bernd






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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Wenzel von Radolt

[Bernd Haegemann]

  See my paper in FoMRHI Quarterly No 44 July 1986 C-737 :  'Von Radolt's
  instructions to lute players (Wien 1701)'

  This gives a translation of the instructions and a commentary on the
  lute sizes/pitches required.





see

http://www.fomrhi.org/uploads/bulletins/Fomrhi-044.pdf


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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Wenzel von Radolt

[Bernd Haegemann]

This is fascinating. So can we assume that the f lute would be around 65cm, the
e flat maybe 72cm and the c lute around 77cm?
I love those bigger baroque lutes...



Anthony Bailes recorded his "Apollon Orateur" (pieces mainly by Denis Gaultier) on a lute by 
G.F.Wenger (1722), mensur 76 cm.

(Label: Ramée)

regards
Bernd



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Weekend..

[Bernd Haegemann]

just in case you don't have other plans, why not play some Austrian (and other) 
stuff


http://dl.free.fr/rrFVoKFCR

pdf, ca. 35 MB

(A-Wgm (Ms. 7763/92) )


best wishes
Bernd



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Looking for the Robarts Lute Book (facsimile)

[Bernd Haegemann]

Does anyone know, which is the code of this in Peter Steur's www-cataloque?
None of the GP-... items did not name Robarts.


of course you have to know that it is kept in cellar 2B of Lanhydrock house in Cornwall 
:-)))



http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?ms=GB-LANh&id=2&type=ms&lang=deu


best wishes
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Losy is great...

[Bernd Haegemann]

Losy was an intelligent composer - "less is more" seems to have been his



He was held in high esteem.
Lesage de Richée for example added to his collection* of 12 suites (by himself) only one 
other piece, a Courante Extraordinaire de Monsieur Le Comte Logy. (concordance in 
F-B279152).


You'll find the latter at

http://www.lute-academy.be/docstore/Saiz184.jpg

Of course I would like to hear your opinions about what is "extraordinaire" about this 
courante.





best wishes

Bernd


*Cabinet der Lauten , 1695 [Tree Edition] 




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: music by Count Bergen

[Bernd Haegemann]

I know that the question is about recordings, but as far as tablature is 
concerned


 Bergen, (Pergen) Ferdinand Graf von,
Three lute suites in French tablature are
preserved in the Vienna National Library, Ms. Suppl. Mus. 1078, ca 1740.


you'll find that one here

http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_manuscrits/Vienne/Les_manuscrits_de_Vienne.htm#Volume_3




Some of these lute pieces are also found in Ebenthal, Grafen Go`ss'sche
Primogenitur-Fideikommiss-Bibliothek, ca. 1730-40, and in G=9Attweig,
Benediktinerstiftsbibliothek,
Musikarchiv, ca. 1740.


there is more:

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deu&id=2&type=mss&mss=&nam=&key=&msnam=&comp=Bergen


best regards

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] upload

[Bernd Haegemann]

I uploaded for scientific and testudinological purposes a document we were talking about 
recently,

PL-Wu 4142  (olim 2010).

http://dl.free.fr/rEituM5II


Look for the link in small letters

"Téléchargez ce fichier"


(=Download this file)


Attention! One big .pdf of more than 400 MB!


I wish you interesting studies and good playing!

Bernd





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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Corrrecting mistakes and mistaking corrections...

[Bernd Haegemann]

Editio Supraphon, 1977), p. 80. The source is given as Warschau,
Musikhistor. Institut der Universität, MS., Sign. Grüssau 2010.



Yes,

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deu&id=2&type=ms&ms=PL-Wu2010&nam=&key=&msnam=&comp=Dix


You'll find the piece at

http://www.lute-academy.be/docstore/dixcour.jpg


830 KB




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Bernd Haegemann]

OT (ren. lute tuning)


At the address Stephan told us, there is a subpage concerning a certain

LORIS OHANNES CHOBANIAN

who wrote a piece named

Dowland in Armenia


"
In order to justify writing a composition with Armenian sounding melodies for 
the English
Renaissance lute Chobanian made up the story that supposedly the English 
Renaissance
composer John Dowland traveled to Armenia in1623 and was at the court of King 
Abkar of
Armenia where he must have written this composition.

Lutenist Paul O'Dette premiered Dowland in Armenia at the 1984 Toronto 
International Guitar
Festival. The program notes unintentionally omitted the word "imaginary" form 
the made-up
program. As a result considerable confusion was created with scholars writing 
the composer
to find out about Dowland's supposed travel to Armenia. "


hehehe...

You can listen to the piece on that website. I find it lovely.


B.






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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Bernd Haegemann]

Hi Stephan, dear all,




http://www.modernlutemusic.com/




I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but  interesting 
anyway.


There is for example

http://www.modernlutemusic.com/AMORIC__MICHEL.html

some pieces for the dm-lute
even with a tablature of "Blancrocher XXI", unfortunately without the related Hupfauf 
"Blancmanger XVII" ;)

I have the whole CD! Doesn't rock at first listening :)

**

What about the pieces by Toyohiko Satoh, dear David?
He knows the idiom for sure, and I believe he also has something to say, 
musically.

best regards
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear Goran,

any chance of jpg pdf or else of the facsimiles in question, at least the 
ones in tablature if anyone has them scanned already?



start here:


http://alan.melvin.com/manuscripts.htm


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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: E Major Concerto

[Bernd Haegemann]

http://dl.free.fr/mCcqqQPlB


1 zip containing 14 pdf files

ca. 217 MB

Page is in French, 


this

http://www.lute-academy.be/docstore/freedl.jpg


will guide you to click int the right place.



_

Kohaut, Karl

Chamber Music
_

Concerti 
Divertimenti

Trios
Sonata with Viola obligata

:::


Enjoy :-)
Would love to listen to more of the stuff


best regards
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] CZ-PuKk84

[Bernd Haegemann]

"Julien Blovin à Rome 1676"


http://www.file-upload.net/download-2496033/CZ-PuKk84.pdf.html


pdf / ca. 35 MB


greetings
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The earliest d-minor tuning?

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear all,


"Roland Hayes"  schrieb: 
A) Except for the pieces by Gauthier in viel ton.  See list in LSA

website, Prague IV g 18(?) etc. r


I never received that mail by Roland. How come?


best wishes
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Mathew - Lute's Apology, 1652

[Bernd Haegemann]

http://www.file-upload.net/download-2465628/Mathew_LutesApology1652.pdf.html



best wishes


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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lully, it was Lully in Balcarres!

[Bernd Haegemann]

Ciao belli,


  Togerther with what you found in the Balcarres mss., are you aware of
  other Lully transcription FOR BAROQUE LUTE somewhere else?



start here:


http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=eng&id=2&type=mss&mss=&nam=&key=&msnam=&comp=Lully


:)

tanti saluti
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Milleran indexes

[Bernd Haegemann]

Hej Robin,


  I have a copy of Minkoff's reprint of Ms. Milleran (Ms. Res 823) but
  the index (composers and works) is not consistent to the F-Pn823 at
  Peter Steur's listings, also named Ms. Milleran:

  [1]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=2&type=ms&ms=F-Pn823&lang=eng&sho
  wmss=1



I didn't compare all of it now, but it looks very much the same to me.
Could you give an example of a difference?

best wishes
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Krebs concerti

[Bernd Haegemann]

..something to play backwards ;-)


http://www.file-upload.net/download-2332999/KrebsConc.zip.html

zip 85 MB, unpacked 95 MB

best wishes
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Inégalité

[Bernd Haegemann]

It is often mentioned
that inegale play was particularly French, but I'm not too sure about
that.


It is a least interesting that Spanish writers are among the first to deal with 
that topic,
f.e. Tomàs de Santa Maria.



Perhaps, the French put an extra stress on it, but inegale
actually was the old-fashioned heavy vs. light stroke thing.


Stroke of what ? ;-))
There are two concepts with similar features that are normally not confused, 
especially
not by the French theorists: quantitas intrinseca ("good" and "bad" notes /times) and 
inégalité.


Let's have a look on a C (4/4) bar.
We have 4 crotchets, whereof the 1 is the "best", 3 also good, 2 and 4 
(equally?) bad.
(Exceptions appear through dissonances, irregular melodic peaks and other 
events.)
The quantitas intrinseca says that 1 and 3 will be longer than 2 and 4, but 
WITHIN their
measure.
If we subdivide the crotchets to quavers, all the even numbered ones are "bad".
The inégalité only appears on the level of the semiquavers (=1/4 beat in a dual 
measure)
, if there are several of them and
if they move more or less stepwise.

best wishes
Bernd




common practise, that I'm aware of, is JJ Quantz (Versuch xi 12). So
Bach is well within he scope IMHO.


Indeed, and he often was so diligent as to write out the inégalité.

best wishes
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Two Swedish lute mss?

[Bernd Haegemann]

for the contents:

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?ms=S-Klm21068&id=2&type=ms&lang=eng


and

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?ms=S-Klm21072&id=2&type=ms&lang=eng







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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A triple test?

[Bernd Haegemann]

(typo corrected)



If that piece was written by a kalmar it is not bad at all!
There are some violin compositions by Lennie, a squid from
Norway, but one can hardly call them music.



1) The gut strings seem to be ("hear to be") quite noisy. The piece I play
doesn't use the 1st string at all, but that is even more noisy...


In fact one can hear that you are an experienced and good  player, and i somehow even like 
the

noisy sound, I must say. It sounds lively..



the nature of gut strings? The strings of the lute are probably "Sobrakof".


Sofracob, from France, I presume.
They are more on the technical branch of gut, but as it seems the strings are not so 
expensive

appreciated by quite a lot of players.



piece from Quicktime by the same 44.1kHz 16bit. The sound is really quite
rough. Perhaps it really is so also in real life? I really don't know...


:

Life is rough, and our hearing system seems to owe a lot to the mercy - synapses
of the brain ;-)

B.






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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A triple test?

[Bernd Haegemann]

If that piece was written by a kalmar it is not bad at all!
There are some violin compositions by Lennie, a squid from
Norway, but one can them hardly call music.



1) The gut strings seem to be ("hear to be") quite noisy. The piece I play
doesn't use the 1st string at all, but that is even more noisy...


In fact one can hear that you are an experienced and good  player, and i somehow even like 
the

noisy sound, I must say. It sounds lively..



the nature of gut strings? The strings of the lute are probably "Sobrakof".


Sofracob, from France, I presume.
They are more on the technical branch of gut, but as it seems the strings are not so 
expensive

appreciated by quite a lot of players.



piece from Quicktime by the same 44.1kHz 16bit. The sound is really quite
rough. Perhaps it really is so also in real life? I really don't know...


:

Life is rough, and our hearing system seems to owe a lot to the mercy - synapses
of the brain ;-)

B.













The test is in
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k6DJ3HL1Cc
and also in Vimeo
 http://www.vimeo.com/8221336

I do not know what their systems are to publish the files I sent.

All the best,

Arto

PS 1:  It really is dark in wintertime here in Finland, and the lights in
my work room are not too bright either ;-)

PS 2: I just wait, how "62Konrad" will comment... ;-)



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: ReusneRe: Hundert geistliche Melodien evangelischer Lieder?

[Bernd Haegemann]

does anyone know, whether the "Hundert geistliche Melodien evangelischer 
Lieder" by Esaias Reusner 


have a few of those "geistliche Melodien", and they seem to be a really 
good stuff to help me understand, how the harmonies lay under the 
fingers in dm-tuning.



I think you have the songs edited by our list member Thomas Schall?


Maybe St. Claus has already lost a little parcel (6 MB) here:

http://www.file-upload.net/download-2033409/reusner_lieder.pdf.html



good luck with the 11c.!

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Difference 13c.-11c. vs. 10c.-6c.?

[Bernd Haegemann]

I believe that it is possible to make 17c. french classic lute music sound 
acceptable on an 18th c. german galant lute. It might be harder to 
accomplish as it would require a different right hand. 



I heard Evangelina Mascardi play Mouton and Weiss in the same concert
on the same instrument, a 13 ch. bass rider model. To me both sounded
very good and also "specific". 



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Difference 13c.-11c. vs. 10c.-6c.?

[Bernd Haegemann]

   It may be a problem for us, but it wasn't for them.  French lute music remained current 
throughout the >German baroque.  The Gaultier/Mouton "La Belle Homicide" shows up in the 
Augsburg ms. right >alongside Falckenhagen, Hagen, Kleinknecht and Haydn.



And didn't Weiss even write some "improved" versions of "L'amant malheureux"
by Gallot?


B




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: b-lute mss catalogue incipits?

[Bernd Haegemann]

What's the url of your Weiss-site, so we can have a look?


www.slweiss.com





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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hofkammerat

[Bernd Haegemann]

Beste David,

I think you'll understand

this

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofkammer

and this

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammerrat


much quicker than I would be able to find a good
translation..

groet
Bernd



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tombeau de Mezangeau

[Bernd Haegemann]

I think this piece is in Saizenay...


As it seems for the CNRS concordance list
it is in not in Saiz. but in "Livre de Tablature...
which version they print.
So if you have a special doubt, just ask..

B.




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot`s Suite in d minor

[Bernd Haegemann]

  Does anyone know where I can find in the tablature of Jacques Gallot`s
  suite in d minor (the same of Michael Schaffer CD)?
  Is there any free PDF file of this piece?


The pieces are:

7. Suite in D minor: I. Prelude

8. Suite in D minor: II. Pavane 'Tombeau De La Reyne'

9. Suite in D minor: III. Courante 'La Marquise'

10. Suite in D minor: IV. Sarabande 'La Mignarde'

11. Suite in D minor: V. Canarie 'Les Castagnettes'





Two I sent you already as pdf in two collections.

The others  you'll receive tomorrow morning.



best wishes

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pioneers of the lute revival

[Bernd Haegemann]

Yes, a good read indeed, though I was surprised by this:

"Paul O'Dette is an American born in Pittsburgh in 1054." (page 6)

Wasn't that the year of the Great Schism?




Yes, indeed, greek and latin tablature were separated then.
Not to be confused with the schisma of 1378 to 1417
when the thumb-out players went to Avignon, wheras
the thumb-ins stayed in Rome.

:

OK, I corrected it ;-)





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Greet,

It was a good read.  I think we all enjoy the historical perspective of
what led to the state of the lute today.

Many thanks!

ed



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Dear lute friends,


Now online: text about the lute revival,translated by the author Jo Van
Herck

http://www.lute-academy.be/CMSimple/en/


first published in our Quarterly "Geluit Luthinerie" back in september 
2001

http://www.lute-academy.be/CMSimple/?Publicaties:Tijdschrift_Geluit_%2F_Luth
inerie:2001
there as pdf downloadable in Dutch and French


Happy reading,
Greet



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear Sterling,

I am searching for a piece by Jacques Gallot- 'La petit seraille chaconne' in f minor. Any 
ideas on where I can find this music?


add the following site to your favourites :-)

http://www-bnus.u-strasbg.fr/Smt/index.htm

you'll find the entry

Le petit sérail, D-LEm II.6.14, 65

The list of sigla is on

http://www-bnus.u-strasbg.fr/smt/rismlist.htm


it guides you to

LEIPZIG, Musikbibliothek der Stadt Leipzig D-LEm

and there to

Ms. II.6.14
RISM B VII, p. 164 - SMT II, p. 156-158

ok, astonishing enough, if we open the ms. on page 65
there is a different piece. BUT on page 70v the chaconne
starts - but it is called "le petit seraille", as you wrote it  -but
the catalogue gives "le petit serail"...

Hm...

Anyway, we found it, didn't we :-)

best wishes

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mercure

[Bernd Haegemann]

Hola Manolo,


I'm curious about that french lutenist from the XVII, Mercure.
There is a beutiful sarabande in the MS Milleran, without name, and the 
same is included in the Balcarres MS.

I know, the french CNRS published his work, but I don't have the book.



There are at least two Mercures, one, often callen "Mercure d'Orleans" from the 
renaissance lute repertoire - you will find quite a lot pieces by him

in the Schele Ms., of which you own a beautiful facsimile, I believe ;-) ,
and then the later, baroque Mercure. According to Mary Burwell's tutor
he lived for a long time in England.

I'm going to send you some pages from the CNRS introduction.

A beautiful recording can be found on the website of Thomas Berghan

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tom/

as

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tom/sarabande_mercure.mp3

hasta luego
B.



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: bach on baroque lute

[Bernd Haegemann]

or in English:

http://www.lute-academy.be/CMSimple/en/?Publications:Tablature




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I'm an italian lutenist playing the baroque lute.


;-)
In the 17th century you weren't so keen on it ;-)


Does anyone know where I can find the Bach's tablature of Sonatas & Partitas
for violin solo BWV 1001-1006 and 4 Violoncello Suites (BWV. 1007-1010)? 
If downloadable or purchasable in internet?



Not to forget the work of our Agnes:

http://www.lute-academy.be/CMSimple/fr/?Publications:Tablature


best wishes
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: bach on baroque lute

[Bernd Haegemann]

I'm an italian lutenist playing the baroque lute.


;-)
In the 17th century you weren't so keen on it ;-)


Does anyone know where I can find the Bach's tablature of Sonatas & Partitas
for violin solo BWV 1001-1006 and 4 Violoncello Suites (BWV. 1007-1010)? 
If downloadable or purchasable in internet?



Not to forget the work of our Agnes:

http://www.lute-academy.be/CMSimple/fr/?Publications:Tablature


best wishes
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bailes 2 headed

[Bernd Haegemann]

http://www.ramee.org/0707gb.html



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bailes 2 headed

[Bernd Haegemann]

Answer from Anthony Bailes:



in der Tat ist eine neue Aufnahme erschienen (in Deutschland seit Mitte
November, andere Länder ab Januar 2008). Die CD heisst "Old Gautiers
Nightinghall" und enthält Musik in "accords nouveaux" (ca. 1630 - 1670). Sie
ist auf dem Label "Ramée" erschienen der in den meisten Ländern gut
vertreten ist. Für weitere Information schauen Sie unter www.ramee.org





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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: reader

[Bernd Haegemann]

hm, I don't think it could be of much use, since this
is a mailing list and noit a news group.
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Hello all,

I have sent this earlier, but do not see it posted, so again:

This reader could be of use for this and other forums?

http://www.snapfiles.com/get/wfreaderlite.html

Greetings,

Henk Pakker
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Radio, J. Held baroque lute

[Bernd Haegemann]

The concert given by Joachim Held at the
meeting of Deutsche Lautengesellschaft in Kassel
will be broadcasted on Oct. 20,
15:05 -17:00 (Middle European time)

Livestream on this site:

http://www.hr-online.de/website/radio/hr2/index.jsp?rubrik=23746

Joachim Held also played this excellent program here in Belgium on our
lute day at Chateau Renesse. Some pictures you can find on

http://www.lute-academy.be/Album/Belgian%20Lute%20Days/2007%20Lute%20Festival%20Renesse/index.html

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] from Barbe Ms

[Bernd Haegemann]

a hint from the French list:

Des tablatures à ne pas manquer

http://www.mateus-lutes.com/tablature/barbe_jgallot.pdf
http://www.mateus-lutes.com/tablature/barbe_egautier.pdf

(page source : http://www.mateus-lutes.com/misc.html)





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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Charles Mouton - poem by Sarasin

[Bernd Haegemann]

>I was wondering if anyone had the text to the poem by Jean Francois Sarasin
> that mentions Charles Mouton?  I gather it is in the Rollin edition of
> Mouton but I don't have access to this.  I'm interested in his connections


I have it, but my wife took our camera on a short trip...
Of course I am too lazy to type it
Even translated, it is difficult to understand, due to the 723 mythological 
allusions..

If you can wait until thursday, I can upload a photo of the poem, perhaps
some frankophone members of the list would translate it?

best wishes
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Losy Sarabande

[Bernd Haegemann]

Dear Daniel and all,

> ftp://ftp.dshoskes.com
> 
> File is losy_sarabande.pdf
> 

I cannot find it or anything similar in the CNRS
edition of Mouton's works.

best wishes
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A query from Bob Barto

[Bernd Haegemann]

> Sorry, the designation I mentioned is from a MS for 13 course with
> instructions by LeSage, noted in Doug Smith and Peter Danner's article "How

 I think Jorge is speaking about a manuscript that contains the
instructions by Lesage de R. but different music (for 13c. lute).
In that music appear signs for the RH 3rd finger, perhaps.

best wishes
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hoppy on You Tube - Ring finger?

[Bernd Haegemann]

> and it seemed to me that he was using the ring finger (a) quite a lot, 
> even
> when he wasn't using 'm'.  Is this common on the baroque lute?


Don't show it to T. Satoh :-))

B. 



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: chaconne by vieux gautier

[Bernd Haegemann]

ok, danke schön Gernot!

it is no. 47 in the CNRS edition, "Sarabande" in A.

only one source given:

oxf. G 617 (p.136-139)
= Oxford Bodleian Libr. Ms. Mus. Sch.. G 617
(french origin ,end of 17th cent.)

I'm going to upload it for a day or two.

Adress follows in 20 minutes :-))

BH
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Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: chaconne by vieux gautier


> www.jsbach.mynetcologne.de/chaconne.mp3
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> only the first minute
> g
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> On 09.07.2006, at 13:52, Bernd Haegemann wrote:
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>>> Does anybody perhaps have the score of a Chaconne in A major by Vieux
>>> Gautier
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>> in A major?
>> In the CNRS edition there are 3 Chaconnes, in C, F, F.
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>> would it be possible to put the incipit of the piece as mp3 somewhere?
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>> best regards
>> BH
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