[BAROQUE-LUTE] Ms 5038 in Norway, ca 1830?
All: I ran across this baroque lute manuscript in the Norway National Museum (Nasjonalbibliteket). From about 1830, it seems rather late for baroque lute. Does anyone know anything about the manuscript or the music? And my Norwegian is quite poor (read - nonexistent) - is it possible to download the manuscript from the website (or order it? there is a shopping cart icon)? Cheers- trj http://www.nb.no/nbsok/nb/1c1e904cef8b1d14852fe645b2386ed5?index=1#0 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New Charles Mouton CD
I can't wait to hear it. Your CD 'Relic' remains one of my favourites - especially track 6, the Dufault Sarabande in g minor - the way it is played melts my heart. (It is also interesting that every suite put on 'Relic' is in a minor key.) Beautiful playing indeed! trj -Original Message- From: Anders Ericson To: baroque-lute Sent: Tue, May 20, 2014 4:56 am Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New Charles Mouton CD Hi everyone. I am very happy to present my new CD with the fantastic music of Charles Mouton. Four suites taken from book 1 and the Prague manuscript. Check it out: [1]http://daphne.se/charles-mouton If you like this then you should also check out my first CD on the same label: [2]http://daphne.se/relic I hope that you are not offended by this commercial break! All the best / Anders Ericson -- References 1. http://daphne.se/charles-mouton 2. http://daphne.se/relic To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] 77cm?
All: I am considering a b-lute with a 77cm string length (Edlinger model). Two questions: Is this length playable for most baroque literature? Can it be tuned to minor (a=415) or will it have to be tuned lower? Thanks-trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] 3rd finger in french baroque?
It is my understanding that the french baroque lute players/composers did not use the third finger of the right hand to sound any strings, limiting only to thumb, first and second fingers, but clearly the third finger was widely used in earlier renaissance music, and again in later baroque lute music. Does anyone know what prompted this change in technique (or am I wrong in my statement). From what I've read, it seems that the french school was well enmeshed with a very philosophical approach to the instrument and to music. I was wondering if there was a philosophical reason perhaps to avoid using the third finger? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Advice from Burwell
Lute playing advice from the Burwell Lute Tutor - for french baroque lute: To make people dance withthe lute it is improper; it is true that a young lady may dance the saraband withher lute, and that is all. It is neither proper to sing with the lute, it beinga perfect consort of itself; for the voice is but a repetition of the treble,and if you sing the treble or any other part (for you can sing but one) thatpart will drown the others. This instrument requireth silence and a serious attention.It is used commonly at the going to bed of the Kings of France, and that timeis the time of most rest and silence. If you will play well of the lute youmust not play too many lessons nor use many several tunings at once. If youwill play upon several tunings, you must have several lutes. In conclusion, thegreatest error that is in playing upon the lute is to play too fast, and not tokeep the time, and not to use the right fingers. Without that, play never sowell, you are but a bungler and fit only to amaze the ignorant sort of peopleand make a fool of yourself! . p62 >From "Miss Mary Burwell's Instruction Book for the Lute": Thurston Dart. The >Galpin Society Journal, Vol. 11 (May, 1958), pp. 3-62 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Burwell Tutor available
I just ordered and received a new, beautiful (excellent fascsimile) softbound copy of the Burwell Lute Tutor. It IS available. Jerry at Jack's Pipes and Hammers has the a number of the printed sheets of the Burwell, and he has them soft bound in small quantities when ordered (may take 3-4 weeks for binding). He bought our much of Boethius's printed stock, and will be making more a few more Boethius titles available soon, but he won't have a listing for a few weeks yet. Jack's Pipes and Hammers, UK http://www.groovycart.co.uk/cart.php?c=995 -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:16 am Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Bruwell modern edition? Dear Collected Wisdom I _am_ the library, as a friend of mine likes to put it when he's looking for some lute piece, but something is missing my library: a modern edition of The Burwell Lute Tutor (annotated, footnotes, concordances, indexed, you name it: the works). Boethius Press/Bob Spencer did a wonderful job by publishing the facsimile in 1974. Sadly out of print but with some luck still to be found second hand. And there's Thurston Dart's article/transcription into modernised English of much-but-not-all in The Galpin Society Journal of 1958 (yes, nineteen fifty eight). It's great, it's wonderful, I love it, couldn't live without it but ... has there not been a musicologists who made a 'new' edition of the Burwell? I'm not saying it has to be on-line and for free, although that would be an option ... David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Lobkowicz collections, CZ
The Lobkowicz estate owns several baroque lutes and several baroque lute manuscripts or books that are on display at the Lobkowicz Palace in Prague, Czech Republic. http://www.lobkowicz.cz/en/ Are the lute books of any interest, and if so, are copies anywhere available? Likewise, are there technical drawings of any of the lutes available? It is a very interesting collection of lutes and, apparently a few lute books, (as well as a baroque guitar and at least one baroque guitar book), but there is little specific information given at the Palace exhibit, and I could find no additional information online. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sharp keys seem to work well in d-minor tuned lute...
Out of curiosity - is there any evidence that Lute makers/players of the renaissance insisted on maintaining frets made from gut PRIMARILY because they would shift them around to accommodate the mean tuning within different keys? ...otherwise, wouldn't have been easier for lute players of the time, if the makers simply glued on wooden frets?? trj -Original Message- From: Martin Shepherd To: baroque-lute Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 11:07 pm Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sharp keys seem to work well in d-minor tuned lute... Hi Arto, Well the "temperament problem" is the same for baroque and renaissance lute, with the 2nd to 4th courses being the same tuning and in the Dm tuning the 1st being the same as the 4th! So G major works well, because you can have the 1st, 4th and 6th frets in the "low position" (nearer the nut), but A minor/major have a problem with the G# on the third fret (4th course) because you can't move that fret without upsetting the tuning of the C on the 3rd course. Of course if the G# only occurs at the upper octave (first fret first course) then it's fine, you can have the first fret in low position. Best wishes, Martin On 05/01/2012 21:30, wikla wrote: > Dear baroque lutenists, > > to me - a newcomer to the d-minor lutes - the keys with one or two sharps > seem to be much easier to get in better tuning than the equal temperament! > Is this perhaps already a commonly known fact? > > On the other hand, for ex. the g-minor is problematic with its f# and bb on > the same - and 1st! - fret. On higher frets it is much easier to affect to > the pitch. > > Just wondering, how would that be with three sharps... f# minor and A major > .. ;) Any experienced opinions by lutenists interested in better than ET > tuning? ;-) > > Arto > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Jim Jarmusch and baroque lute
Poor balance. I think they should have turned the lute amp up a little :-) -Original Message- From: Stuart Walsh To: Roman Turovsky Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2011 10:03 am Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Jim Jarmusch and baroque lute On 12/12/2011 13:44, Roman Turovsky wrote: > http://vimeo.com/32220565 > > Enjoy, > RT > Did you enjoy it? Stuart > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Compilation of historical pitches?
>From extant organ pipes and wind instruments and knowledge of their date and >origin, I assume that one can roughly determine what pitches (e.g. A=392, 410, >415, etc) were used in different regions at different times. My >non-musicologist's mind would also guess that maybe some musicologist has >compiled this data? Is there a source that might help determine what pitch was >used in during the renaissance and baroque periods in different regions of >europe? Or is it not this easy? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pinel?
The CNRS 1983 edition: "Oeuvres de Pinel" is still available from CNRS for a mere 23.28 euro (on sale at 5% off!) http://www.cnrseditions.fr/Musicologie/3502-Oeuvres-Pinel-Monique-Rollin.html -Original Message- From: wikla To: baroque-lute Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:04 pm Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Pinel? Well, hi guys and gils, here I am again... ;-) Just made a "tubing" of a piece by Pinel, an Allemande. Pinel seems not to be very brave in his harmonies, but his sense of melody is strong: very touching, at least to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYe5SyncCXw http://vimeo.com/29793954 (Vimeo seems to be vanishing?) Btw, is there any more info since the Minkoff edition of ms. Barbe, about Pinel? Even his first name in Minkoff was marked with a question mark: Germain(?) there. [At least RT should understand my "advertising", I guess...;-] Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Beginning Weiss?
I play mostly 11 course b-lute, not great facility on the 13 course yet (my 13-c string spacing is dramatically different, which throws me off). I have not played any Weiss, but I want to learn a moderate, to moderately easy complete Weiss suite on 11 course. Does anyone have a recommendation which suite(s) may be appropriate for a person with moderate skills and an 11-c? Thanks, trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Pachelbel B-lute pieces
Are there a few pieces composed by Johann Pachelbel in a baroque lute manuscript somewhere (does my memory serve me correct)? If so, which manuscript, and do they have any musical interest? Have they been recorded? thanks, trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Bittner 1682/1702
Does anyone know if Jacques Bittner's "Pieces de Luth" 1682 has been published or is available online? Konrad Junganel recorded an LP with this title, and I am looking for the music. I see that Tree Edition has reprinted Bittner's "Pieces de Luth" 1702. Did Bittner actually publish two books with the same title, the same book republished twenty years later, or a false date listed on the LP? Thanks in advance. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Weiss on keyboard
I had a request from a keyboard player: Are there any transcriptions of Weiss into standard two-staff notation available online? (I lent my copy of Editions Orphee 'Moscow Weiss Manuscript') I know of Jean-Daniel Forget's amazing work, are there any other sources? Thanks trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] B-lute christmas music w/voice?
I almost hate to ask this, but I had a request to accompany a singer in a holiday program, so: Does anyone know of any christmas or winter seasonal music - baroque or traditional - arranged/tabbed for voice (pref mezzo-soprano) & baroque lute. I've never tried to accompany a singer on b-lute, but I used to do it on ren-lute quite a lot - I don't know what to expect. Cheers, trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Closure of Victoria & Albert Museum instrument galleries
Given the importance, I trust the english lute society will not mind me forwarding the following message: Dear Lute Society member You may by now have heard the alarming news that on 22nd February the V&A museum in London is to close its musical instrument galleries permanently. The instruments, which constitute one of the world's great collections, and have been a vital resource in musical education and the early music revival, will go into storage and will only be available for viewing by special request. The space currently dedicated to historic instruments will be given over to more fashion displays - as if there weren't enough about fashion and fashion history in the media already; the V&A probably hope to attract more visitors in this way to a more 'popular' display. All is not entirely lost; there are plans to redisplay the instruments in few years time at the Horniman Museum or elsewhere. But obviously now is the time for as many people as possible to make their feelings known. The decision was taken personally by the Director, so the best way to register dismay, and urge for the redisplay of the instruments to take place as soon as possible, is to write to him personally: Mark Jones, Director V&A South Kensington Cromwell Road London SW7 2RL United Kingdom Also you can write an email, asking for it to be forwarded to him to Sarah Medlam, e: s.med...@vam.ac.uk And there is a facebook petition at http://www.facebook.com/n/?group.php&gid=257514797266&mid=1be8e13G2c449905G49bf0e2G6 Do write to one or all of these if you have the time. best wishes Chris Goodwin -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Ferdinand Seidel
All: I have been told that the baroque lute minuets by Ferdinand Seidel have been recorded by an Irene Thompson or Thomas? Does anyone know of this recording, if is still available (and where to order), or have a contact to the artist/website? Thanks in advance, ted jordan USA -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Testing the Q3
The darkness of the video is quite evocative. Surely, a few centuries ago, many dark winter nights were spent contemplatively listening to a lute by fire and candlelight (and likely with strong beverage at hand). The video is a nice complement for a winter solstice. Thanks Arto trj -Original Message- From: wikla To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 5:31 pm Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Testing the Q3 Dear baroque lutenists, I made the 2nd test of the Zoom Q3, a little nearer then the 1st one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM1rznPUips One result of the test seems to be the need of daylight. I actually had a normal - as a matter of fact quite high - normal in-house electric lightning and the picture is still dark as candle-lit. But the mic feels to be quite good in this distance. This gadget seems really to be a sound recorder with an ability to make some video too... As they actually also say in their info... All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Baron as composer?
Could I elicit some opinions from the experts on Ernst Gottlieb Baron's lute compositions? Despite his associations with Weiss & Bach, and his royal appointment, today his compositions are not recorded much, so I've not heard but a few pieces. How are they in terms of difficulty, musciality? thanks trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new recording of Kohaut and Haydn
Also from Austria In addition to the Kohaut, Ars Antiqua Austria recorded "Viennese Lute Concertos" by Wenzel Ludwig Edler von Radolt with Guna Letzbor director & violin and Hubert Hoffmann lute Challenge Classics CC72291 , 2008 www.challenge records.com also available on iTunes (maybe Amazon too?) and, also from Austria, the early music label of ORF has a recording of 'Nach der Zuffer undt Buechstaben' selections from Das Klosterneuburger Lautenbuch Hubert Hoffmann - 11 & 13 course lutes (Not apparently available on iTunes) ORF CD 3010, 2007 http://shop.orf.at ..and if you want to read along, the Kosterneuburg lute book is reprinted by Tree for 35 euro cheers, tj -Original Message- From: Dale Young To: BAROQUE-LUTE Sent: Sun, Nov 22, 2009 7:56 pm Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] new recording of Kohaut and Haydn I bought a copy of Ars Antigua Austria's recording called Karl Kohaut- Haydn's lute player. It's wonderful. I was listening to the Bb Major Concerto by Kohaut. It sounded familiar, but not like Kohaut. I went through the B section of Augsburg Ms. and there it was. A concerto attributed to Pfeiffer. Does anyone know the source of the piece the group is playing from? If it's Brussels Ms. could someone send me a copy of it. I'll pay. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Satie for lute?
All: Not to induce culture shock, but are there decent intabulations of any of Erik Satie's better known works (Gymnopedies/Gnossiennes) for baroque lute? Thanks, TRJ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Women & the Theorbo
No, this is a serious question: particularly interested in the social position and use of the theorbo - I am not an expert on theorbo literature, but it seems that the number of theorbo tabs are much less than the baroque lute, yet the theorbo seems to have been depicted quite often in paintings (maybe even more often than the baroque lute?) -  and mostly in the clutches of women. This, to me is quite interesting. Are paintings an accurate representation of its use? Was it primarily a woman's instrument (such as the harp)? Was it widely,and primarily used for self accompaniment of the female voice - if so, what was played? Was it depicted more as an allegorical representation? Despite the atttempts at humor, I am honestly curious- trj -Original Message- From: Peter Van Dessel To: theoj89...@aol.com Cc: baroque lute Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 8:43 am Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Women & the Theorbo Food for thought ..., or for a comedianâs routine ... (?)  Peter Van Dessel Belgium   On 05 Oct 2009, at 14:14, theoj89...@aol.com wrote:  > All: > > > > After reviewing some lute iconography, it seems that the renaissance > lute > was played by more men than women (especially inebriated-> looking Dutch > guys), but it seems that the majority of theorbo > players are women. > Possible reasons? > =0 A> > > > *Women are just prettier to paint? > > *My statistical sampling is biased? > > *Theorbo was considered a 'woman's instrument' and not popular among > 'real > men'? > > *Theorbo was popularly used by women to accompany their own singing? > > *Theorbos, theorbo strings, and lessons were expensive, so it was > used as a > mark of wealthy status by families? > > *The theorbo in painting is used as an allegory to purity (the > > enlightenment's version of a Unicorn)? > > *Only after mastering the patience needed to keep a gut-strung > theorbo in > tune, was a woman considered ready to try her patience on > keeping a > husband? > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tedjordan > > columbusohioUSA > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html  --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Gaultier chaconne timing
All: I was learning a Vieux Gaultier Chaconne (CRNS ed. no. 49, p.60). It is written in the timing of 3 beats per measure, and I was playing rather even. I then heard the recording by Claire Antonini (Les Luthistes Francais au XVIIeme siecle, Societe Francaise de Luth, 2007; www.sf-luth.org) and she performs the piece with a fair bit of 'bounce' or 'dotted eight-sixteenth' rhythm. Are Chaconnes from this time & place best interpreted in that manner? ..a naive question from an enthusiast (but not a musicologist). Thanks ted jordan USA -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] baroque lute song?
Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) This also begs the question - what changed so that the baroque lute was not popularly used to accompany voice? cheers trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online
I didn't even notice the broken strings... Such paintings were so often packed with subtle symbolism -Â Does anyone have an idea why the painter would go to the trouble of painting a lute with broken strings - what meaning would that convey? I'm intrigued- trj -Original Message- From: Martin Eastwell To: Baroque Lute List Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 9:15 am Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online If you zoom in, it seems that the lute has one or more carefully painted broken strings. She's not just holding the lute the wrong way round, but the lute itself is unplayable! Martin On 8/5/09 13:55, "David van Ooijen" wrote: > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, wrote: >> >> >> >> Sotheby's New York will be auctioning a Dutch painting of a theorbo & gamba >> >> >> (the woman doesn't appear to know how to hold a theorbo > > I'd call that a Dutch-head lute or possibly English theorbo, but > what's far more interesting: she's holding the instrument > left-handedly, right hand crossing all the diapassons, and is rather > in the way of the gentleman's bow. But the doggy knows what it's all > about: a pretty girl with a lute! > > Great painting, thanks for diverting my attention from tax paper > (nearly finished!) to something else. > > David > > > > > & there are interesting f-holes on the gamba) >> >> >> LOT 4 5 >> >> >> >> >> >> ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER >> >> >> ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, KRALINGEN-AMBACHT 1659 - 1722 ROTTERDAM; EGLON >> HENDRICK VAN DER NEER, AMSTERDAM CIRCA 1634 - 1703 DÃSSELDORF >> >> >> A LADY PLAYING THE LUTE AND A GENTLEMAN WITH A VIOLA DA GAMBA >> >> >> It can be seen at: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159539118 >> >> >> >> >> >> Estimated price 100,000 - 150,000 dollars US >> >> >> Good luck bidding! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> trj >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > > --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Dutch theorbo painting online
Sotheby's New York will be auctioning a Dutch painting of a theorbo & gamba (the woman doesn't appear to know how to hold a theorbo & there are interesting f-holes on the gamba) LOT 45 ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, KRALINGEN-AMBACHT 1659 - 1722 ROTTERDAM; EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER, AMSTERDAM CIRCA 1634 - 1703 DÃSSELDORF A LADY PLAYING THE LUTE AND A GENTLEMAN WITH A VIOLA DA GAMBA It can be seen at: http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159539118 Estimated price 100,000 - 150,000 dollars US Good luck bidding! trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert Schule fur die Barocklaute
I just notice that a nice English translation of Giesbert's 'Schule fur die Barocklaute' is posted on lutegroup.ning.com under forum: FJ Giesbert, Schule fur die Barock Laute (Phillips translation, updated) http://lutegroup.ning.com/forum/topics/fj-giesbert-schule-fuer-die trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Is peg-box decoration safe?
I have a 10 cs lute - made by a prominent european maker - wherein the back of the pegbox was made of yew (matching the bowl) and it was highly carved. Unfortunately, the entire pegbox pulled loose; but the construction was unusual and extremely light-weight with very little wood between the fingerboard and pegbox - I think that a strong mortise cut for the peggbox - as most lutes are made - and a strong pegbox frame would take care of any such problem. There are a few non-historical lutes around that do not have backs on the pegboxes - they are structurally quite strong (the only problem is that the sides of the pegbox bend - so the opposite pegs pop out when you try to tune them). Cheers, trj -Original Message- From: Nicolás Valencia To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 7:30 pm Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Is peg-box decoration safe? Dear All, I've recently ordered a 13-course baroque lute beautifully decorated with a fretwork at the back of the peg-box. However, I'm still hesitating if this is the right choice. My question is: does it affect the peg-box strength and therefore could it be risky because of the string tension? I've read a thread about somebody who had his decoration unglued when trying to tune his instrument... Regards, Nicolas -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~ wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Giesbert Schule fur die Barocklaute
Does anyone have an opinion of the book "Schule fur die Barocklaute" by Giesbert (date?) - apparently a tutorial ? For a beginner, would it be worth borrowing through inter-library loan as a source of graded easy-intermediate tunes. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Harp Strings
Resending harp string data without extraneous characters (note to self: do not cut & paste from excel file) Regarding harp strings: I contacted Vanderbilt music, in Bloomington, Indiana, USA - known to harpists for quality gut strings and very helpful customer service. They also told me that they can accommodate gut strings for historical instruments, just contact them. www.vanderbiltmusic.com They sent me the following gauges for concert harp strings: Gauges are in INCHES. Lengths are 48-58 inches (1.2 - 1. 4 meters) 1st Oct: ooG .022 oF .022 E .022 D .023 C .024 B .024 A .025 G .026 F .027 2nd Oct: E .028 D .029 C .030 B .031 A .033 G .035 F .036 3rd Oct: E .037 D .039 C .041 B .043 A .046 G .047 F .049 4th Oct: E .051 D .053 C .057 B .061 A .063 G .067 F .071 5th Oct: E .073 D .077 C .082 B .086 A .090 -Original Message- From: Jason Yoshida To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: chriswi...@yahoo.com 0ASent: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 4:16 pm Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Harp Strings I have used Bow brand quite a bit on various lutes and guitars. There used to be a harp store here in LA where I could walk in and buy them. (The one thing I really miss from my pre-lute days was when I could pickup a set of ghs boomers o n the way to sound check to a gig in Hollywood) They are highly polished and super clear. I was talking to one of the sales-persons and she said that aesthetically pleasing strings was something of an issue. There is another line they make called "Burgundy" which are a less expensive, I think because they have some visual imperfections. I normally would use the Burgundy line. They all look more like nylon monofilament or carbon. They are worth a try but, they are made slightly different from what we normally use. I think because of the high polish or difference in maybe how they wind the strands, certain gauges tend to squeak a lot while plucking especially when playing without nails. They are definitely more stiff/rigid which is probably less preferable for us. In emergencies I have used them for frets but they are harder to use because of the stiffness. Also since they are so clear they look different tied on the neck. Certain gauges are colored red and black/blue (the ir c's and f's). Unfortunately, they are not a "cool" looking wine-red like you see in old paintings. They are more of an opaque fire-engine red. They are not dyed, but coated with a kind of plastic material, kind of like a frosted circus animal cookie. They however seem to sound fine. I helped a friend string up his 11-course with a complete set and it sounded nice even with the plain gut basses. I have had them on for the trebles of my romantic-guitar since the beginning of the fall semester and really like them=2 0because they don't deteriorate in the plucking area. I think the "signal to squeaking noise ratio" on the guitar is more tolerable. Somewhere I have a sheet I could scan for you, on which I was converting the harpstring gauges and densities of the various brands to the X.XXmm's we usually deal with. The store gave me a gauge sheet because they sell strings according to type of harp (folk or pedal I believe), pitch and octave. They don't deal with numerical measurements, but assign each pitch a numeral starting from "00." For example a #1 string is a first octave "E" and on the pedal gauge it is .55mm and for a folk gauge harp it is .46mm. I have to go back and check at some point with a scale and calipers to double check the densities. I am now wondering if they are slightly denser then average because they seem so rigid and hard to unravel. I think they would be fine for the top/middle range (but they only go as small as .50 or .46mm)and bass octaves b ut you may want to put that $20 for the lowest strings into the Larson or Mimmo specialized basses especially if you are playing a rider-type, although my friends 11-course worked well. They might be good if you were thinking of straight/plain gut in the bass, but if you are using them in that upper size range, the prices might not be that much different in which I would most often prefer any of the more common "lute" strings. I remember them, at least the Burgundy, being much less expensive. Jason -Original Message- From: chriswi...@yahoo.com [mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:49 AM To: BAROQUE-LUTE Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Harp Strings Hello Fonts of Wisdom, I'm wanting to do some experimenting with different bass strings for my bass rider 13-course. Does anyone have experience using harp strings? I've noticed that Bow Brand has gut strings for around $20 a piece. If this even works, its not terribly cheap, but acceptable for a trial run. I have no idea how you order them - they don't sell them by gauges, but rather by harp maker and octave. An tips? Chris To get on or off thi
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Re Baroque lute method ordering
I just ordered Miguel Serdoura's book directly from Ut Orpheus (they even accepted American Express C.C.) on a Thursday and it arrived from Italy, to Ohio, USA on Monday! Surprisingly fast delivery & convenient way to order. Compliments to Ut Orpheus mail-order department. http://www.utorpheus.com/utorpheus/index.php?cPath=1_171 theo jordan -Original Message- From: Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 8:17 am Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Re Baroque lute method Dear Baroque lutenists Miguel Serdoura has just told me that both his Baroque lute method and his Baroque lute recording can be ordered from Los Angeles Classical Guitars 1341 E. Colorado Blvd. Pasadena CA 91106 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lacg.net Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
