[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids
Since I often get accused of making blanket statements: I was thinking of a very particular Weichenberger CD, which had some very dodgy/gutsy intervals... RT - Original Message - From: "William Samson" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:59 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids It's probably not the 'done thing' on this forum, but LOL anyway! Bill From: Roman Turovsky To: William Samson Sent: Friday, 21 October 2011, 17:18 Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids Interesting experiment! However there is a occaional give-away: one can often identify gut by its dodgy intonation. RT - Original Message - From: "William Samson" <[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> To: "Christopher Wilke" <[2]chriswi...@yahoo.com>; <[3]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:13 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids > You know, I wonder about the use of synthetic strings vs gut. > Certainly a player can feel the difference in his/her fingers, but I'm > not convinced that the listener can identify the string material by > hearing a performance. The same (IMHO) goes for lots of things that > are thought to affect the sound of the lute - the shape of the > body, the material of the back. These things may indeed have an > effect, perhaps psychological, on the way the musician plays the > instrument, but what the audience hears is mostly what the musician > puts into the playing, not the details of the instrument itself. > Some years ago, at a Lute Society Summer School, Chris Wilson performed > an experiment. He played the same pieces on four very different lutes > (different makers, some Venetian shape, some Bologna shape, all at the > same pitch) to a blindfolded audience of lutenists, and asked them to > write on a piece of paper which instrument they thought they were > hearing. The results were quite random, with the exception of one > instrument that had octave tuning right up to the fourth course - and > even then some listeners couldn't identify it. Chris, naturally, said > that the instruments felt very different to him as a player, but what > the audeince heard was Chris, and the lutes used weren't of great > significance. > Bill > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com 3. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids
I also prefer my banjos to sound like banjos. I just did a little Listerine
swish. That ok?
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From: "Rob MacKillop"
To: "Dale Young"
Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE"
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 3:46 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids
Wash your mouth out, Dale!
Have a listen to a banjo played with gut strings:
[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w2yPvmmpzU
Rob
On 21 October 2011 20:40, Dale Young <[2]dyoung5...@wowway.com> wrote:
and we do have those moveable frettes to assist in mediating the
most egregious of out-tunation issues...until we can replace the
offending string.
I can no longer tolerate the banjo-esque timbre of nylon and
over-spun bass strings, except in the hands of a very few
exceptional players. Gut and only gut.
Dale
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To: "Roman Turovsky" <[4]r.turov...@verizon.net>
Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" <[5]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids
Dear Roman,
I have occasionally(?) "identified" "dodgy intonation" also by nylon
(etc.)
strings, not only by gut strung instruments. And also pure and
enjoyable
intonation by both! Intonation certainly is not a question about the
string
material, but - well - it is a question about the "intonator", the
player!
And you certainly should be able to fine tune your intonation better
than
equal temperament. Strong fingers and not too much string tension...
;-)
Arto
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:19:14 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote:
However there is a occaional give-away:
one can often identify gut by its dodgy intonation.
To get on or off this list see list information at
[6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids
Wash your mouth out, Dale! Have a listen to a banjo played with gut strings: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w2yPvmmpzU Rob On 21 October 2011 20:40, Dale Young <[2]dyoung5...@wowway.com> wrote: and we do have those moveable frettes to assist in mediating the most egregious of out-tunation issues...until we can replace the offending string. I can no longer tolerate the banjo-esque timbre of nylon and over-spun bass strings, except in the hands of a very few exceptional players. Gut and only gut. Dale - Original Message - From: "wikla" <[3]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> To: "Roman Turovsky" <[4]r.turov...@verizon.net> Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" <[5]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids Dear Roman, I have occasionally(?) "identified" "dodgy intonation" also by nylon (etc.) strings, not only by gut strung instruments. And also pure and enjoyable intonation by both! Intonation certainly is not a question about the string material, but - well - it is a question about the "intonator", the player! And you certainly should be able to fine tune your intonation better than equal temperament. Strong fingers and not too much string tension... ;-) Arto On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:19:14 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: However there is a occaional give-away: one can often identify gut by its dodgy intonation. To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - [7]www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4564 - Release Date: 10/20/11 -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w2yPvmmpzU 2. mailto:dyoung5...@wowway.com 3. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 4. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 5. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.avg.com/
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids
and we do have those moveable frettes to assist in mediating the most egregious of out-tunation issues...until we can replace the offending string. I can no longer tolerate the banjo-esque timbre of nylon and over-spun bass strings, except in the hands of a very few exceptional players. Gut and only gut. Dale - Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids Dear Roman, I have occasionally(?) "identified" "dodgy intonation" also by nylon (etc.) strings, not only by gut strung instruments. And also pure and enjoyable intonation by both! Intonation certainly is not a question about the string material, but - well - it is a question about the "intonator", the player! And you certainly should be able to fine tune your intonation better than equal temperament. Strong fingers and not too much string tension... ;-) Arto On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:19:14 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: However there is a occaional give-away: one can often identify gut by its dodgy intonation. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4564 - Release Date: 10/20/11
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids
Dear Roman, I have occasionally(?) "identified" "dodgy intonation" also by nylon (etc.) strings, not only by gut strung instruments. And also pure and enjoyable intonation by both! Intonation certainly is not a question about the string material, but - well - it is a question about the "intonator", the player! And you certainly should be able to fine tune your intonation better than equal temperament. Strong fingers and not too much string tension... ;-) Arto On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:19:14 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: > However there is a occaional give-away: > one can often identify gut by its dodgy intonation. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
