[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Le Fameux Corsair
Oups the dates don't work. I should have checked. I did not think a corsair could have been post Weiss. In that case, it must be the following: René Duguay-Trouin René Duguay-Trouin was born in Saint-Malo in 1673, and the son of a rich ship owner took a fleet of 64 ships and was honoured in 1709 for capturing more than 300 merchant ships and 20 warships. He had a brilliant privateering and naval career and eventually became Lieutenant-General of the Naval Armies of the King, i.e., admiral, (French:Lieutenant-Général des armées navales du roi), and a Commander in the Order of Saint-Louis. He died peacefully in 1736. Anthony Le 12 janv. 09 à 15:34, Anthony Hind a écrit : I would think the most famous, and also the last French Corsair would have been Surcouf:$ I found this about him in wikipedia (although I always treat this source with caution, and I have not counterchecked it) Anthony http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsair Robert Surcouf Robert Surcouf was the last and best known corsair of Saint-Malo. Born in Saint-Malo in 1773, his father was a ship owner and his mother the daughter of a Captain. Ship's boy at 13 and corsair captain at 22 years old, and then — very much against his licence — for several years attacked ships including those of the French East India Company, or Compagnie Française des Indes. During the French revolution, the convention government disapproved of lettres de course, so Surcouf operated at great personal risk as a pirate against British shipping to India. Surcouf was so successful that he became a popular celebrity in France. After a brief early retirement Surcouf again operated against shipping to the Indes. Surcouf became a ship owner himself and died in Saint-Malo in 1827. There is a statue of him on public display. Le 10 janv. 09 à 05:35, Edward Martin a écrit : The sonata in F major by SL Weiss in the London MS has a strange title. The work is also included in the Dresden MS, but is not entitled Le Fameux Corsair. Does anyone have information as to the identity of the famous pirate ? ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Le Fameux Corsair
I forgot to say surely it must be Duguay-Trouin. Anthony Le 12 janv. 09 à 17:26, Anthony Hind a écrit : Michel Cardin being both a French speaker and a specialist on Weiss, of course I bow to his greater knowledge, but wasn't Blackbeard a pirate, in modern French, Corsair is very much Privateer, not pirate. And why would Weiss use the French tittle for Blackbeard? As I said in my other message, Surcouf is of course too late, which quite surprised me. I copied the Wikipedia without looking at the dates. I hadn't realized that France used Corsairs so late. Anthony Le 12 janv. 09 à 16:00, Markus Lutz a écrit : Dear Edward, Michel Cardin gives two names in his description: http://www.slweiss.de/London_unv/ge_3Description.pdf Of the more than ninety sonatas known to have been composed by Weiss, only The Infidel and no 22 were given poetic titles. As suggested by Douglas Alton Smith, the pirate in question was, in all probability, Blackbeard (Edward Teach), whose life and spectacular death in 1718 were subject to intense journalistic coverage during the lifetime of Weiss. Another candidate would have been René Duguay-Trouin, a privateer of the same period who excelled in swashbuckling bravado of the same sort. Also in the end of the 17th century the first books on pirates appeared: Alexandre Olivier Exquemelin, Histoire des Frères de la Côte (1699) Daniel Defoe, Life, Adventures and Piracies of Captain Singleton (1720) The first one were translated to German and English very soon. Probably Defoe would be too late, as Fameaux Corsaire probably was written 1720 or in the beginning of 1721. Best regards Markus Anthony Hind schrieb: I would think the most famous, and also the last French Corsair would have been Surcouf:$ I found this about him in wikipedia (although I always treat this source with caution, and I have not counterchecked it) Anthony http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsair Robert Surcouf Robert Surcouf was the last and best known corsair of Saint-Malo. Born in Saint-Malo in 1773, his father was a ship owner and his mother the daughter of a Captain. Ship's boy at 13 and corsair captain at 22 years old, and then — very much against his licence — for several years attacked ships including those of the French East India Company, or Compagnie Française des Indes. During the French revolution, the convention government disapproved of lettres de course, so Surcouf operated at great personal risk as a pirate against British shipping to India. Surcouf was so successful that he became a popular celebrity in France. After a brief early retirement Surcouf again operated against shipping to the Indes. Surcouf became a ship owner himself and died in Saint- Malo in 1827. There is a statue of him on public display. Le 10 janv. 09 à 05:35, Edward Martin a écrit : The sonata in F major by SL Weiss in the London MS has a strange title. The work is also included in the Dresden MS, but is not entitled Le Fameux Corsair. Does anyone have information as to the identity of the famous pirate ? ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Le Fameux Corsair
Oh well, I just thought of searching specifically for Fameux corsaire barbe Barbe Noire, and I found that things are less clear than I fist thought. In a text from figaro international, Barbe Noire is constantly called pirate, le plus redoutable pirate, but it seems that he started out as a corsaire (privateer): http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/ 2009/01/31/01003-20090131ARTFIG00097-barbe-noire-le-diable-fumant-.php il s'engage de 1702 à 1713, durant la guerre de succession d'Espagne, sur un bâtiment corsaire anglais au service de la reine Anne. So he was first a privateer and then a pirate. So it could be either man as Michel Cardin is right to say. Indeed, both (Black beard/Duguay-Trouin) seem to have been engaged as Corsaires (privateers) in the War of Succession, on opposing sides Where would Weiss' sympathy lie, perhaps there might be a clue there? (probably with the alliance against France?) On the other hand, there is that best selling account of Duguay- Trouin's exploits, so without more evidence... In more popular texts, I found that corsaire and pirate are indeed confused, but would Weiss not have used the more savante expression (court French)? If it was Barbe Noire, Weiss would surely be referring to his first career as privateer? Best wishes Anthony Le 12 janv. 09 à 22:01, Bernd Haegemann a écrit : Quite so, but he is not a corsair, Corsaire. s. m. Pirate, escumeur de mer from Dictionnaire de L'Académie française, 1st Edition (1694) best wishes Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
