[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new 11c lute - pics
, and it sounded fantastic. A deep, rich sound. As you know, Mace, Burwell, and even Baron gave such high ranking for his lutes. What strikes me as being so interesting is in the simplicity of his designs. No frills, just beautiful instruments, with great sound. When I think of Maler (Mahler), I am impressed with a design in which the quality was in the workmanship and materials, with attention to detail, but using excellence of workmanship instead of fancy ornamentation. A real working man professional instrument, in which the whole concept was in fantastic sound. At the length of 69 cm, it may be a wee bit too long to get a gut treble to work, at f 415. If you tune it slightly lower that 415, you may have better luck with trebles. At any rate, Martin builds beautiful lutes, be assured. In addition to the beautiful French baroque, you can also do Reusner, Conradi, Kellner, early Weiss. What fun ed At 02:26 PM 11/21/2007 +, Rob wrote: Found out the string length (69) and model 354. Martin Shepherd wrote this in an email to me, and I'm sure he won't mind me sharing the info: I have very little information on the original instrument because it (and its friend) are hidden away in a Bohemian castle instead of in the main museum in Prague. When I went there about three years ago I was informed that the musical instrument collection was in storage, presumably awaiting transfer to the castle. If I remember correctly the meagre information I have been able to glean, in its present state it is a 13c lute with a string length of 67.3cm. (I have a drawing of the body, but no data on the neck and pegbox). When I made your lute I discovered that the string length had to be longer to get the normal proportions of an 11c lute, that is where the neck/body join is close to where the tenth fret would be, allowing the ninth fret to be tied without too much difficulty (the angle of the neck/body joint is such that if the fret comes too close to the body it has to be tied on at a crazy angle and anchored by notches in the edge of the fingerboard). Maler originals were often used in the 17th century for 11c instruments. The shape and sound were very much in fashion. Yet there are very few luthiers who use Malers today, preferring instead the beautiful Warwick Frei. We did consider the Frei, but settled on the Maler as a sort of experiment. There will no veneer and only nine ribs. For the French repertoire, volume is of less interest to me than resonance. As ever, one can only wait and see what the result will be. Very much looking forward to it. Rob www.rmguitar.info -Original Message- From: Edward Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2007 14:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'BAROQUE-LUTE' Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new 11c lute - pics Rob, You will absolutely love 11 course music, on an 11 course lute. It is very satisfying. ed To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.2/1142 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 5:44 PM --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new 11c lute - pics
Found out the string length (69) and model 354. Martin Shepherd wrote this in an email to me, and I'm sure he won't mind me sharing the info: I have very little information on the original instrument because it (and its friend) are hidden away in a Bohemian castle instead of in the main museum in Prague. When I went there about three years ago I was informed that the musical instrument collection was in storage, presumably awaiting transfer to the castle. If I remember correctly the meagre information I have been able to glean, in its present state it is a 13c lute with a string length of 67.3cm. (I have a drawing of the body, but no data on the neck and pegbox). When I made your lute I discovered that the string length had to be longer to get the normal proportions of an 11c lute, that is where the neck/body join is close to where the tenth fret would be, allowing the ninth fret to be tied without too much difficulty (the angle of the neck/body joint is such that if the fret comes too close to the body it has to be tied on at a crazy angle and anchored by notches in the edge of the fingerboard). Maler originals were often used in the 17th century for 11c instruments. The shape and sound were very much in fashion. Yet there are very few luthiers who use Malers today, preferring instead the beautiful Warwick Frei. We did consider the Frei, but settled on the Maler as a sort of experiment. There will no veneer and only nine ribs. For the French repertoire, volume is of less interest to me than resonance. As ever, one can only wait and see what the result will be. Very much looking forward to it. Rob www.rmguitar.info -Original Message- From: Edward Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2007 14:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'BAROQUE-LUTE' Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new 11c lute - pics Rob, You will absolutely love 11 course music, on an 11 course lute. It is very satisfying. ed To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new 11c lute - pics
I'll bet you are eager to get this instrument, Rob! I had a Mahler years ago, a 10 course, and it sounded fantastic. A deep, rich sound. As you know, Mace, Burwell, and even Baron gave such high ranking for his lutes. What strikes me as being so interesting is in the simplicity of his designs. No frills, just beautiful instruments, with great sound. When I think of Maler (Mahler), I am impressed with a design in which the quality was in the workmanship and materials, with attention to detail, but using excellence of workmanship instead of fancy ornamentation. A real working man professional instrument, in which the whole concept was in fantastic sound. At the length of 69 cm, it may be a wee bit too long to get a gut treble to work, at f 415. If you tune it slightly lower that 415, you may have better luck with trebles. At any rate, Martin builds beautiful lutes, be assured. In addition to the beautiful French baroque, you can also do Reusner, Conradi, Kellner, early Weiss. What fun ed At 02:26 PM 11/21/2007 +, Rob wrote: Found out the string length (69) and model 354. Martin Shepherd wrote this in an email to me, and I'm sure he won't mind me sharing the info: I have very little information on the original instrument because it (and its friend) are hidden away in a Bohemian castle instead of in the main museum in Prague. When I went there about three years ago I was informed that the musical instrument collection was in storage, presumably awaiting transfer to the castle. If I remember correctly the meagre information I have been able to glean, in its present state it is a 13c lute with a string length of 67.3cm. (I have a drawing of the body, but no data on the neck and pegbox). When I made your lute I discovered that the string length had to be longer to get the normal proportions of an 11c lute, that is where the neck/body join is close to where the tenth fret would be, allowing the ninth fret to be tied without too much difficulty (the angle of the neck/body joint is such that if the fret comes too close to the body it has to be tied on at a crazy angle and anchored by notches in the edge of the fingerboard). Maler originals were often used in the 17th century for 11c instruments. The shape and sound were very much in fashion. Yet there are very few luthiers who use Malers today, preferring instead the beautiful Warwick Frei. We did consider the Frei, but settled on the Maler as a sort of experiment. There will no veneer and only nine ribs. For the French repertoire, volume is of less interest to me than resonance. As ever, one can only wait and see what the result will be. Very much looking forward to it. Rob www.rmguitar.info -Original Message- From: Edward Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2007 14:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'BAROQUE-LUTE' Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new 11c lute - pics Rob, You will absolutely love 11 course music, on an 11 course lute. It is very satisfying. ed To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.2/1142 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 5:44 PM
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new 11c lute - pics
Almost a lute. Just add 4 strings and you'll have a REAL one. Dale - Original Message - From: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'BAROQUE-LUTE' baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new 11c lute - pics I am certain you will love it, Rob. I also have a very nice 11 course lute, aster Frei - the C 34 lute. What is the mensur to be? ed At 03:46 PM 11/20/2007 +, Rob wrote: I haven't received it yet, but here are 'work in progress' pics: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm Only three weeks or so to go. Rob www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1140 - Release Date: 11/19/2007 7:05 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
