Re: My Disappoints in BBEdit 10

[stratboy]

I'm with you. I paid v10 and about 4 hours later I went back to v9 and
still here.

On 9 Set, 07:15, Lisa Spangenberg  wrote:
> On Sep 3, 11:11 am, Rich Siegel  wrote:
>
> > On Sep 2, 1:31 pm, vapor  wrote:
>
> > > The main reason is I miss my pre-populated windows. For instance, want
> > > to add a stylesheet link in 9, just click Head Elements > Link and get
> > > presented a nice modal with all available options. Now, in 10, I
> > > actually have to type in (and remember) all the options.
>
> > 
>
> Except that you have to type. I don't want to have to type an external
> file address/URL. I want to be able to simply navigate to a local file
> using a standard Open File dialog.
>
> I don't want to have to type tags, paths, or file names; it's
> exceedingly simply to make a typo.
>
> This is the same issue I have with the way anchors are handled in
> BBEdit 10; I want to be able to select the anchor tag, click Anchor on
> the Palette, and paste the URL. I use this process, easily, two or
> three hundred times a day. You've introduced additional keystrokes
> into my life.
>
> At this point, I'm looking for a way to retrograde back to the 9.x.
> BBEdit 10 requires extra keystrokes. It's easier to hand-code the tags
> than use the dialogs/fields in 10—at which point, I see no value in
> using BBEdit at all.

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Re: My Disappoints in BBEdit 10

[stratboy]

At least, this version lacks (compared with v9) the possibility to
drag drop multiple images from the project drawer to hml documents,
and so the other
fast tag setups that v9 has, such as the pre defined title filed for
the anchor tags (we always put titles: so like the href prop, I should
not have to select the title field from the menu to define it: and why
are there both the class and id attributes then? Title is quite
mandatory in good html programming, while class and id are just
options). So, to me, it's still a downgrade.

Basically (I insist on this) It really seems that none
of the bbedit programmers are advanced *HTML* programmers. You should
hire someone to extensively check the real usability and effectiveness
of the html tools. I'm shure you would end up strongly improving this
aspect of bbedit.

You surely did something good by adding the ability to add arbitrary
properties to html tags, but you stripped out ALL the good things
there were in v9. v10 seems just an incomplete draft, not a
finished upgrade. So right direction, but far from the final step (at
least for what affects the HTML TOOLS and projects).
Maybe for say, a C++ programmer is a huge upgrade, I don't know.
For me, an html/css/js/as/php programmer, using bbedit since 1999, v10
it's not an upgrade, compared with v9.6





On 2 Set, 19:31, vapor  wrote:
> I've really tried to like 10, but I find myself drifting back to 9.6
> more and more.
>
> The main reason is I miss my pre-populated windows. For instance, want
> to add a stylesheet link in 9, just click Head Elements > Link and get
> presented a nice modal with all available options. Now, in 10, I
> actually have to type in (and remember) all the options.
>
> The reason I've loved BBedit since v7 was it didn't make me type like
> other text editors, etc. Yea, I know autocomplete and such, but I
> loved not really thinking much about it.
>
> And how about easy stuff like mailto:. It was just highlight an
> address and click on anchor to have the modal box show all the
> options. Now I have to fill in an empty box? Yea, I know this could be
> done with clipping, but even that requires me to go back in and fill
> in the options.
>
> Please give me back my old modal boxes combined with the new
> interface. Staying this way will guarantee my never upgrading again.
>
> Cordially,
> Kirk

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Re: My Disappoints in BBEdit 10

[Morbus Iff]

> Basically (I insist on this) It really seems that none
> of the bbedit programmers are advanced *HTML* programmers.

This is the second or third time someone has stressed that "advanced"
HTML programmers need dialogs and UIs to help them create their
"advanced" code. I still haven't stopped Teh Chuckling over it.

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Re: My Disappoints in BBEdit 10

[bobembry]

Well Patrick, let me point out some differences: Point to a file on my hard 
drive and get a URL rather than a file path. The choice of type of 
addressing. Target is already completed for me. Access to recent URLs, 
Internal Anchors and Current Folder. I also use Default Folder X and 
LaunchBar which are intertwined with the process.

Prior to version 10 I've been satisfied with all previous versions of BBEdit 
at least until I found out that the ability to index my site with 2800 
objects had been removed.

I think Barebones should have anticipated this reaction and offered easy 
work arounds (transition processes) immediately on the first launch of the 
new version. 

My last comment on this subject. I have other things to do. 

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Re: My Disappoints in BBEdit 10

[Morbus Iff]

> Well Patrick,

To clarify: I'm not Patrick, nor do I
represent anything but another BBEdit user.

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Re: My Disappoints in BBEdit 10

[stratboy]

So maybe you are, I guess.

On 12 Set, 12:41, Morbus Iff  wrote:
> > Basically (I insist on this) It really seems that none
> > of the bbedit programmers are advanced *HTML* programmers.
>
> This is the second or third time someone has stressed that "advanced"
> HTML programmers need dialogs and UIs to help them create their
> "advanced" code. I still haven't stopped Teh Chuckling over it.
>
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Re: My Disappoints in BBEdit 10

[Walter Ian Kaye]

At 06:41 a -0400 09/12/2011, Morbus Iff didst inscribe upon an 
electronic papyrus:



 > Basically (I insist on this) It really seems that none

 of the bbedit programmers are advanced *HTML* programmers.


This is the second or third time someone has stressed that "advanced"
HTML programmers need dialogs and UIs to help them create their
"advanced" code. I still haven't stopped Teh Chuckling over it.


Heehee! "Like" (no facebook widgets in email)

-handcoder boo

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Re: My Disappoints in BBEdit 10

[Kel Stewart]

On 13/09/2011, at 12:35 AM, Walter Ian Kaye wrote:

> At 06:41 a -0400 09/12/2011, Morbus Iff didst inscribe upon an electronic 
> papyrus:
> 
>>> Basically (I insist on this) It really seems that none
>>> of the bbedit programmers are advanced *HTML* programmers.
>> 
>> This is the second or third time someone has stressed that "advanced"
>> HTML programmers need dialogs and UIs to help them create their
>> "advanced" code. I still haven't stopped Teh Chuckling over it.
> 
> Heehee! "Like" (no facebook widgets in email)
> 
> -handcoder boo

I blame the lack of Facebook Widgets in email on BBEdit 10. 

Kel

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Applying tag to multiple paragraphs

[stevedennie]

In previous versions of BBEdit, I could select multiple paragraphs of
text, type my shortcut for the  tag, and it would place the tags at
the beginning and end of EACH paragraph.

With version 10, I get only an opening tag at the beginning of the
selected text, and a closing tag at the end. There are no opening and
closing tags for each paragraph.

This means I need to apply the shortcut to each paragraph
individually--definitely a step backward.

I've been through all of the pref menus, but can't find a solution.

Am I missing something, or was this functionality removed?

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Re: Seeking for last version with PowerPC support and Tiger support

[Douglas Mencken]

I suppose I can post the reply from sales support to this public list.
The answer was *no*:

 quote begins 
[...] BBEdit 10.0 (the latest version) requires Mac OS X 10.6 or
later, and we regret that old versions of the software are no longer
available for purchase.

I'm sorry we can't be of assistance with this specific request [...]
 quote ends 

Well, we're stuck with TextWrangler.
Poor poor Bare Bones ;)

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Re: My Disappoints in BBEdit 10

[stratboy]

So many advanced people here, love you..

On 12 Set, 16:38, Kel Stewart  wrote:
> On 13/09/2011, at 12:35 AM, Walter Ian Kaye wrote:
>
> > At 06:41 a -0400 09/12/2011, Morbus Iff didst inscribe upon an electronic 
> > papyrus:
>
> >>> Basically (I insist on this) It really seems that none
> >>> of the bbedit programmers are advanced *HTML* programmers.
>
> >> This is the second or third time someone has stressed that "advanced"
> >> HTML programmers need dialogs and UIs to help them create their
> >> "advanced" code. I still haven't stopped Teh Chuckling over it.
>
> > Heehee! "Like" (no facebook widgets in email)
>
> > -handcoder boo
>
> I blame the lack of Facebook Widgets in email on BBEdit 10.
>
> Kel

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Re: Seeking for last version with PowerPC support and Tiger support

[Ron Catterall]

Doug Mencken and Bare Bones
Subject to Bare Bones licensing approval, charging or what ever, I can 
supply a copy of BBedit 9.3.1.dmg (a paid version), what Bare Bones 
would like to do about the registration code I don't know, which I run 
on a Mac PPC with OS 10.4.11

I imagine Bare Bones could also supply this.
Bare Bones: your comment
Doug: any interest?
Ron


On 9/12/11 11:49 AM, Douglas Mencken wrote:

I suppose I can post the reply from sales support to this public list.
The answer was *no*:

 quote begins 
[...] BBEdit 10.0 (the latest version) requires Mac OS X 10.6 or
later, and we regret that old versions of the software are no longer
available for purchase.

I'm sorry we can't be of assistance with this specific request [...]
 quote ends 

Well, we're stuck with TextWrangler.
Poor poor Bare Bones ;)



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Re: My Disappoints in BBEdit 10

[Watts Martin]

On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:41 , Morbus Iff wrote:

> This is the second or third time someone has stressed that "advanced"
> HTML programmers need dialogs and UIs to help them create their
> "advanced" code. I still haven't stopped Teh Chuckling over it.

While that's vaguely unkind, I admit that when I first encountered all those 
dialog boxes in back in BBEdit 6.5 I thought, "Hey, that's kind of nifty," and 
pretty much never used them except for a few times when I couldn't remember 
something especially fiddly (usually CSS).

Something that my time spent with TextMate taught me is that clippings--or 
snippets in TM's parlance--are often a lot faster. Make a clipping with the text

<#link_text#>

And bind it to the key of your choice -- I use Control-Shift-L -- and it's 
probably going to be faster than fiddling with the dialog box in the first 
place. (Also, you can bind Control-Shift-L to other clipping sets with a 
concept of "link," so you know that pressing it does The Right Thing whether 
you're using HTML, Markdown, or the template language of your choice.)

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Re: Applying tag to multiple paragraphs

[Watts Martin]

On Sep 12, 2011, at 9:30 , stevedennie wrote:

> In previous versions of BBEdit, I could select multiple paragraphs of
> text, type my shortcut for the  tag, and it would place the tags at
> the beginning and end of EACH paragraph.
> 
> With version 10, I get only an opening tag at the beginning of the
> selected text, and a closing tag at the end. There are no opening and
> closing tags for each paragraph.
> 
> Am I missing something, or was this functionality removed?


I believe this is a confirmed bug that's been fixed in the 10.0.2 builds (not 
officially released yet, but if you search the list archive you'll find the 
most recent build).

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Re: Seeking for last version with PowerPC support and Tiger support

[Douglas Mencken]

I am, of course, interested. But I'm sure that would result in 30-day
demo and goodbye.

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Re: Seeking for last version with PowerPC support and Tiger support

[David Miers]

I know 9.6 is the last version I have running on ppc with leopard
On Sep 12, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Ron Catterall wrote:

> Doug Mencken and Bare Bones
> Subject to Bare Bones licensing approval, charging or what ever, I can supply 
> a copy of BBedit 9.3.1.dmg (a paid version), what Bare Bones would like to do 
> about the registration code I don't know, which I run on a Mac PPC with OS 
> 10.4.11
> I imagine Bare Bones could also supply this.
> Bare Bones: your comment
> Doug: any interest?
> Ron
> 
> 
> On 9/12/11 11:49 AM, Douglas Mencken wrote:
>> I suppose I can post the reply from sales support to this public list.
>> The answer was *no*:
>> 
>>  quote begins 
>> [...] BBEdit 10.0 (the latest version) requires Mac OS X 10.6 or
>> later, and we regret that old versions of the software are no longer
>> available for purchase.
>> 
>> I'm sorry we can't be of assistance with this specific request [...]
>>  quote ends 
>> 
>> Well, we're stuck with TextWrangler.
>> Poor poor Bare Bones ;)
>> 
> 
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[ANN] BBEdit 10.0.2 (3091) pre-release

[Rich Siegel]

Good { morning, afternoon, evening },

A new 10.0.2 pre-release build is now available.

Note that this is a _pre-release_ version. The intent is to fix 
bugs and address areas of improvement based on what our 
customers have reported. However, since the software is at this 
point not fully tested, there _may_ be bugs and regressions. If 
this prospect makes you nervous, then sticking with the public 
release versions is your best course of action. Nobody will be 
offended if you choose to do so; you're under no obligation to 
install and use anything but a public release. :-)


Following is a summary of the changes in the software since the 
last public release. The change notes are organized into 
additions, changes, and fixes, and are annotated where 
appropriate with case numbers. So if you recognize a number 
corresponding to a support case that was opened for you, you can 
now verify that it's been fixed correctly.


One final note: If you run into a bug in a pre-release version, 
PLEASE DO NOT REPORT THE BUG TO THE LIST. This includes asking 
about whether others have seen the same problem. Instead, please 
send a bug report to  and we will deal 
with it there. This will help us keep the list discussion on 
topic and productive for all list members.




version 10.0.2 (3091)   (9/12/2011)

Additions
-

*   It's now possible to preview things using "Preview in 
BBEdit" that
aren't HTML or HTML generators. So, for example, if you 
preview a
C++ document, you'll see an HTML rendering of the document 
as it
appears in your editing window (and the same HTML that 
would be

generated by using the "Copy as Styled HTML" or "Save as Styled
HTML" commands). This is useful in situations where you 
want to

typeset your code, and need to be able to experiment with different
page templates and styles.

*   When previewing documents in a particular language, you can specify
the default CSS to be used when previewing, simply by 
placing an

appropriately named CSS file in `Application Support/BBEdit/Preview
CSS/`. The name of the file should be of the pattern
`DefaultCSS_*.css`, in which the `*` is replaced by the 
name of the
language. So, for example, to designate a file as the 
default CSS

for previewing Markdown, you'd name the file
`DefaultCSS_Markdown.html`.

Changes
---

*   Unix filters (run from the "Apply Text Filter" menu) now 
accept the
selection on `STDIN`. This is a change from previous 
versions, in
which BBEdit wrote a temporary file and passed it as 
`argv[0]`. If

you have any Unix scripts in the "Text Filters" folder, you *will*
need to modify them in order for them to continue working. 
On the
other hand, this change will generally make Unix filters 
easier to

write, and makes it possible to share Unix filters with text
factories, because the latter has run their filters this 
way since

forever.

Fixes
-

*   [NFR] Fixed bug in which the scrollbar in the OFBN window didn't
correctly adjust as the window changed shape.

*   [218308] [NFR] Fixed bug in which name collisions for drag-and-drop
package installs weren't correctly detected and alerted.

*   [218409] Fixed bug in which "Open File by Name" was inappropriately
treated as "Open Selection" in projects which had a 
selected file

and no active editing view.

*   [218648] Fixed bug in which paths dropped into text views or shell
worksheets weren't properly delimited with the appropriate separator
(space for worksheets, line break for text views).

*   [215608] Fixed bug which prevented CSS files from showing up 
in the

"Preview CSS" menu in live preview windows, and which also broke
language-based clipping set auto switching.

*   Preview windows now remember the page template and CSS that 
were in

use for the document being previewed.

*   [214057, 214916] Fixed bug in which "Reveal in Project List" didn't
work if the parent folder(s) of the document being revealed weren't
open.

*   Corrected bundle versions, Get Info short strings, and copyright
dates in the built-in language modules.

*   Made a memory management fix and modernized some code in the `bbdiff`
tool.

=end=

The package can be downloaded from our web server:



Enjoy,

R.
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Re: Applying tag to multiple paragraphs

[Seth Dillingham]

On 9/12/2011, stevedennie said:


I've been through all of the pref menus, but can't find a solution.

Am I missing something, or was this functionality removed?


I tend to write entire paragraphs on one "line" in the HTML 
document, so I find the current behavior less than ideal.


It was easy enough to work around, it, though. Try the following 
search-and-replace grep pattern:


Find: ^(.+)(\r?)(?:\r?)
Replace: \1\2

Make sure "[x] Grep" and "[x] Select text only" are both 
checked. Select the paragraphs you want to tag, and run that search-and-replace.


I have it as a saved pattern, so it's not like I'm typing it 
every time.


Could always put this in a script or a Text Factory, too, so 
that it could have a command-key assigned to it.


Of course it would be idea if there were some way to tell the 
HTML tools that you want this tag applied to each line of the 
current selection, instead of the whole selection at once. That 
would work wonderfully for , , , and lots of other cases.


Seth

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Re: [ANN] BBEdit 10.0.2 (3091) pre-release

[Seth Dillingham]

On 9/12/2011, Rich Siegel said:


*   When previewing documents in a particular language, you can specify
the default CSS to be used when previewing, simply by placing an
appropriately named CSS file in `Application Support/BBEdit/Preview
CSS/`. The name of the file should be of the pattern
`DefaultCSS_*.css`, in which the `*` is replaced by the name of the
language. So, for example, to designate a file as the default CSS
for previewing Markdown, you'd name the file
`DefaultCSS_Markdown.html`.


Are we allowed to cheer for new features?

YAY!!!

If the answer to the above is "no", then I humbly apologize. :-D

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Re: Seeking for last version with PowerPC support and Tiger support

[Walter Ian Kaye]

At 09:49 a -0700 09/12/2011, Douglas Mencken didst inscribe upon an 
electronic papyrus:



I suppose I can post the reply from sales support to this public list.
The answer was *no*:

 quote begins 
[...] BBEdit 10.0 (the latest version) requires Mac OS X 10.6 or
later, and we regret that old versions of the software are no longer
available for purchase.

I'm sorry we can't be of assistance with this specific request [...]
 quote ends 


Well that really sucks. Evidently BareBones would rather we run 6.5 
than 9.3, which makes no sense at all.


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Re: Seeking for last version with PowerPC support and Tiger support

[Walter Ian Kaye]

At 10:30 a -0700 09/12/2011, Douglas Mencken didst inscribe upon an 
electronic papyrus:



I am, of course, interested. But I'm sure that would result in 30-day
demo and goodbye.


To Ron: Ditto what Doug said.

It's arbitrary and nonsensical policies like BareBones' which drive 
me to seek pirated sofware when I would rather purchase.


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Re: Applying tag to multiple paragraphs

[stevedennie]

Watt, you're correct. It works just fine in 10.0.2. Thanks. I'm a
happy camper again.

On Sep 12, 1:29 pm, Watts Martin  wrote:
> On Sep 12, 2011, at 9:30 , stevedennie wrote:
>
> > In previous versions of BBEdit, I could select multiple paragraphs of
> > text, type my shortcut for the  tag, and it would place the tags at
> > the beginning and end of EACH paragraph.
>
> > With version 10, I get only an opening tag at the beginning of the
> > selected text, and a closing tag at the end. There are no opening and
> > closing tags for each paragraph.
>
> > Am I missing something, or was this functionality removed?
>
> I believe this is a confirmed bug that's been fixed in the 10.0.2 builds (not 
> officially released yet, but if you search the list archive you'll find the 
> most recent build).
>
> --
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>
>  smime.p7s
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Re: Seeking for last version with PowerPC support and Tiger support

[Fletcher Sandbeck]

On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Walter Ian Kaye wrote:

> Well that really sucks. Evidently BareBones would rather we run 6.5 than 9.3, 
> which makes no sense at all.

I use TextWrangler on the legacy hardware around here.  I get the latest 
version which we can run on PowerPC machines or machines that we can't upgrade 
for whatever reason, mostly servers.



TextWrangler is a great swiss army knife tool for making changes on these 
machines and then BBEdit does the heavy lifting on development machines.

[fletcher]

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[ADMIN] Re: Seeking for last version with PowerPC support and Tiger support

[Rich Siegel]

On Monday, September 12, 2011, Walter Ian Kaye 
 wrote:


It's arbitrary and nonsensical policies like BareBones' which 
drive me to seek pirated sofware when I would rather purchase.


If you bother to reply to this at all, please do so off list. 
This thread has ceased to be useful or informative.


Thank you,

R.
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Project List Sorting Preferences

[Chip Warden]

Is there a way to show all folders at a given level first in the project list 
instead of interspersed alphabetically with the files in the project? I 
searched the manual but couldn't find anything.

Thanks, 

Chip

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Re: [ANN] BBEdit 10.0.2 (3091) pre-release

[John Delacour]

At 13:44 -0400 12/09/2011, Rich Siegel wrote:



*   Unix filters (run from the "Apply Text Filter" menu) now accept the
selection on `STDIN`. This is a change from previous versions, in
which BBEdit wrote a temporary file and passed it as `argv[0]`. If
you have any Unix scripts in the "Text Filters" folder, you *will*
need to modify them in order for them to continue working...


Rich, can you explain this, perhaps with an example of a UNIX filter 
that did work and which now does not.


I have tried a couple of my own, which I had already moved to the 
Text Filters folder when the nomenclature changed, and they work fine 
just as before; for example this one, which resembles most of the 
others:


#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
my $i;
while(<>){ # or ...
  $i++;
  print sprintf("%4d: ",$i), $_;
}
__END__


JD

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Re: [ANN] BBEdit 10.0.2 (3091) pre-release

[Rich Siegel]

On Tuesday, September 13, 2011, John Delacour 
 wrote:


I have tried a couple of my own, which I had already moved to 
the Text Filters folder when the nomenclature changed, and they 
work fine just as before; for example this one, which resembles 
most of the others:


I'm given to understand that in some cases, such as <> in Perl, 
it'll Just Work™ so the statement in the change notes may not 
always be accurate and will probably be amended for the final release.


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Re: [ANN] BBEdit 10.0.2 (3091) pre-release

[David Kendal]

On 13 Sep 2011, at 00:09, John Delacour wrote:

> #!/usr/bin/perl
> use strict;
> my $i;
> while(<>){ # or ...
>  $i++;
>  print sprintf("%4d: ",$i), $_;
> }
> __END__

I think this one has continued working because it's written in Perl
using the <> idiom. I believe Perl is smart about this and uses the
files on argv or reads from stdin depending on context; in this case,
the script behaves as before because Perl has automatically made the
change for you! Isn't that clever.

— dpk.

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