Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:43:15 PM UTC+2, Rich Siegel wrote: BBEdit's ability to edit HTML files, or any other type of file, does not depend on Apache or any other web service. Preview in BBEdit works without Apache or any other web service. If you wish, you *can* run previews through a local web server, and of course you'll need Apache (web sharing) running on your machine. That's interesting. If I use BBEdit 9.6 or 10.1 and edit an shtml page, there will be NO live preview at all if I turn off Web Sharing!? And it was live preview I was talking about! In addition, I quote from the User Guide (for v9.6) that claims the opposite of what you wrote: In addition to static previews, BBEdit also supports live local previewing of web pages through the web server built into Mac OS X. This capability enables you to easily preview pages which are built using server-side technologies, for example, DHTML or PHP. To enable live previewing for a defined web site project, you must turn on the Use Local Preview Server option and enter an appropriate Site Path on Server in the HTML Web Sites preference panel (see page 221). *You must also turn on the “Personal Web Sharing” option in the Sharing panel of the System Preferences to start the built-in web server*. To me, it appears pretty obvious that some kind of local web server functionality must be present to have live preview of web pages that use both css and server side includes. One ways was using Apples stuff in Lion and earlier, another is MAMP. As for: I think that is a perfectly valid complaint, but one that should be directed in Apple's direction That has already been done, but I am pretty certain that it will have no effect. (See e.g http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5230.) So, the issue is definitely a problem for BBEdit and you need to relate to it in some way. As a user, I can use BBEdit, or I can use other packages to create web pages. If using BBEdit becomes to cumbersome, it is not exactly a bonus point for BBEdit. /h -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
Any particular reason why my posts are being systematically deleted??? Someone wants me to leave the group, or what? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
(Hmm, third attempt to post this... now from mail. why are my posts automatically deleted or directed to devnull??) On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:43:15 PM UTC+2, Rich Siegel wrote: BBEdit's ability to edit HTML files, or any other type of file, does not depend on Apache or any other web service. Preview in BBEdit works without Apache or any other web service. If you wish, you *can* run previews through a local web server, and of course you'll need Apache (web sharing) running on your machine. That's interesting. If I use BBEdit 9.6 or 10.1 and edit an shtml page, there will be NO live preview at all if I turn off Web Sharing!? And it was live preview I was talking about! In addition, I quote from the User Guide (for v9.6) that claims the opposite of what you wrote: In addition to static previews, BBEdit also supports live local previewing of web pages through the web server built into Mac OS X. This capability enables you to easily preview pages which are built using server-side technologies, for example, DHTML or PHP. To enable live previewing for a defined web site project, you must turn on the Use Local Preview Server option and enter an appropriate Site Path on Server in the HTML Web Sites preference panel (see page 221). *You must also turn on the “Personal Web Sharing” option in the Sharing panel of the System Preferences to start the built-in web server*. To me, it appears pretty obvious that some kind of local web server functionality must be present to have live preview of web pages that use both css and server side includes. One ways was using Apples stuff in Lion and earlier, another is MAMP. As for: I think that is a perfectly valid complaint, but one that should be directed in Apple's direction That has already been done, but I am pretty certain that it will have no effect. (See e.g http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5230.) So, the issue is definitely a problem for BBEdit and you need to relate to it in some way. As a user, I can use BBEdit, or I can use other packages to create web pages. If using BBEdit becomes to cumbersome, it is not exactly a bonus point for BBEdit. /h -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
(Strange, this is my sixth attempt to post this!… why are my posts automatically being deleted??) On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:43:15 PM UTC+2, Rich Siegel wrote: BBEdit's ability to edit HTML files, or any other type of file, does not depend on Apache or any other web service. Preview in BBEdit works without Apache or any other web service. If you wish, you *can* run previews through a local web server, and of course you'll need Apache (web sharing) running on your machine. That's interesting. If I use BBEdit 9.6 or 10.1 and edit an shtml page, there will be NO live preview at all if I turn off Web Sharing!? And it was specifically *live preview* I was talking about in my original post. In addition, I quote from the User Guide (for v9.6) that claims the opposite of what you wrote: In addition to static previews, BBEdit also supports live local previewing of web pages through the web server built into Mac OS X. This capability enables you to easily preview pages which are built using server-side technologies, for example, DHTML or PHP. To enable live previewing for a defined web site project, you must turn on the Use Local Preview Server option and enter an appropriate Site Path on Server in the HTML Web Sites preference panel (see page 221). You must also turn on the “Personal Web Sharing” option in the Sharing panel of the System Preferences to start the built-in web server. To me, it appears pretty obvious that some kind of local web server functionality must be present to have live preview of web pages that use both css and server side includes. One ways was using Apples stuff in Lion and earlier, another might be MAMP. As for: I think that is a perfectly valid complaint, but one that should be directed in Apple's direction. That has already been done, but I am pretty certain that it will have no effect. (See e.g http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5230.) So, the issue is definitely a problem for BBEdit and you need to relate to it in some way. As a user, I can use BBEdit, or I can use other packages to create web pages. If using BBEdit becomes to cumbersome, it is not exactly a bonus point for BBEdit. /h -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
(Hmm, second attempt to post this... why are my posts automatically deleted or directed to devnull??) On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:43:15 PM UTC+2, Rich Siegel wrote: BBEdit's ability to edit HTML files, or any other type of file, does not depend on Apache or any other web service. Preview in BBEdit works without Apache or any other web service. If you wish, you *can* run previews through a local web server, and of course you'll need Apache (web sharing) running on your machine. That's interesting. If I use BBEdit 9.6 or 10.1 and edit an shtml page, there will be NO live preview at all if I turn off Web Sharing!? And it was live preview I was talking about! In addition, I quote from the User Guide (for v9.6) that claims the opposite of what you wrote: In addition to static previews, BBEdit also supports live local previewing of web pages through the web server built into Mac OS X. This capability enables you to easily preview pages which are built using server-side technologies, for example, DHTML or PHP. To enable live previewing for a defined web site project, you must turn on the Use Local Preview Server option and enter an appropriate Site Path on Server in the HTML Web Sites preference panel (see page 221). *You must also turn on the “Personal Web Sharing” option in the Sharing panel of the System Preferences to start the built-in web server*. To me, it appears pretty obvious that some kind of local web server functionality must be present to have live preview of web pages that use both css and server side includes. One ways was using Apples stuff in Lion and earlier, another is MAMP. As for: I think that is a perfectly valid complaint, but one that should be directed in Apple's direction That has already been done, but I am pretty certain that it will have no effect. (See e.g http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5230.) So, the issue is definitely a problem for BBEdit and you need to relate to it in some way. As a user, I can use BBEdit, or I can use other packages to create web pages. If using BBEdit becomes to cumbersome, it is not exactly a bonus point for BBEdit. /h -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
(Strange, this is my fifth attempt to post this!… why are my posts automatically being deleted??) On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:43:15 PM UTC+2, Rich Siegel wrote: BBEdit's ability to edit HTML files, or any other type of file, does not depend on Apache or any other web service. Preview in BBEdit works without Apache or any other web service. If you wish, you *can* run previews through a local web server, and of course you'll need Apache (web sharing) running on your machine. That's interesting. If I use BBEdit 9.6 or 10.1 and edit an shtml page, there will be NO live preview at all if I turn off Web Sharing!? And it was specifically *live preview* I was talking about in my original post. In addition, I quote from the User Guide (for v9.6) that claims the opposite of what you wrote: In addition to static previews, BBEdit also supports live local previewing of web pages through the web server built into Mac OS X. This capability enables you to easily preview pages which are built using server-side technologies, for example, DHTML or PHP. To enable live previewing for a defined web site project, you must turn on the Use Local Preview Server option and enter an appropriate Site Path on Server in the HTML Web Sites preference panel (see page 221). You must also turn on the “Personal Web Sharing” option in the Sharing panel of the System Preferences to start the built-in web server. To me, it appears pretty obvious that some kind of local web server functionality must be present to have live preview of web pages that use both css and server side includes. One ways was using Apples stuff in Lion and earlier, another might be MAMP. As for: I think that is a perfectly valid complaint, but one that should be directed in Apple's direction. That has already been done, but I am pretty certain that it will have no effect. (See e.g http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5230.) So, the issue is definitely a problem for BBEdit and you need to relate to it in some way. As a user, I can use BBEdit, or I can use other packages to create web pages. If using BBEdit becomes to cumbersome, it is not exactly a bonus point for BBEdit. /h -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
I agree with David - I completely missed the brouhaha as I use MAMP and it just kept working just fine - it is free and easy to install. http://www.mamp.info/en/index.html On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:14:13 PM UTC+1, David Miers wrote: I don't like doing things the hard way or re-inventing wheels Solution simply MAMP On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Tom Robinson barefootg...@gmail.com wrote: TidBITS has a good article on starting Apache from the command line, a free 3rd party preference pane, etc: http://tidbits.com/article/13168 On 2012-08-01, at 06:59, Hugin harald...@gmail.com wrote: Besides the pixelated fuzzy bad text rendering in BBEdit on my new MBP Retina, how about your planned support for other changes in 10.8? I am specifically thinking about that Web Sharing is gone in ML -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Hugin harald...@gmail.com wrote: Any particular reason why my posts are being systematically deleted??? Someone wants me to leave the group, or what? New members are automatically on moderation. Duplicate postings may be deleted at the moderator's discretion. Your patience is appreciated. R. -- Rich Siegel Bare Bones Software, Inc. sie...@barebones.com http://www.barebones.com/ Someday I'll look back on all this and laugh... until they sedate me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
I just got all your posts, for some reason the Google groups 'burp' from time to time, I suggest you talk to their customer support :) François On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:33 AM, Hugin wrote: (Strange, this is my sixth attempt to post this!… why are my posts automatically being deleted??) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012, Hugin n...@bragit.com wrote: In addition to static previews, BBEdit also supports live local previewing of web pages through the web server built into Mac OS X. This capability enables you to easily preview pages which are built using server-side technologies, for example, DHTML or PHP. To enable live previewing for a defined web site project, you must turn on the Use Local Preview Server option and enter an appropriate Site Path on Server in the HTML Web Sites preference panel (see page 221). *You must also turn on the “Personal Web Sharing” option in the Sharing panel of the System Preferences to start the built-in web server*. To me, it appears pretty obvious that some kind of local web server functionality must be present to have live preview of web pages that use both css and server side includes. One ways was using Apples stuff in Lion and earlier, another is MAMP. That is correct -- but it's also not what you said initially. :-) I think that is a perfectly valid complaint, but one that should be directed in Apple's direction That has already been done, but I am pretty certain that it will have no effect. (See e.g http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5230.) So, the issue is definitely a problem for BBEdit and you need to relate to it in some way. Apple's failure to be responsive to your complaint does not constitute a technical or product design problem in BBEdit. This remains a problem that Apple will need to address; and in fact they have already done so, as described in the article that you cite. You clearly think otherwise, but I don't think that the facts will support your position. R. -- Rich Siegel Bare Bones Software, Inc. sie...@barebones.com http://www.barebones.com/ Someday I'll look back on all this and laugh... until they sedate me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
In addition to static previews, BBEdit also supports live local previewing of web pages through the web server built into Mac OS X. That is correct -- but it's also not what you said initially. :-) ?? It IS what I wrote initially! I scribbled: which is needed for local editing of html files and full support for BBEdit live Preview. Given no other data, html files implies static HTML files. That is, nothing that requires server-side technology, like PHP or SSIs. Static files with relative links and embeds will work properly through BBEdit's preview, without requiring a webserver. SSIs, other server-side technology, or non-relative links (such as CSS files referenced as /css/location.css vs. css/location.css, for example) require a properly configured webserver for appropriate previewing. -- Morbus Iff ( evil is my sour flavor ) http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.disobey.com/wiki/ twitter: @morbusiff / skype: morbusiff / irc.freenode.net, Morbus An O'Reilly author and blogger: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
On 01 Aug 2012, at 01:37 , Hugin harald...@gmail.com wrote: Any particular reason why my posts are being systematically deleted??? Someone wants me to leave the group, or what? They are not deleted. You just posted 6 messages with the same basic content. Thanks! -- How do I set my laser printer to STUN? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP
On 8/1/12 at 12:37 AM, harald...@gmail.com (Hugin) wrote: Any particular reason why my posts are being systematically deleted??? Someone wants me to leave the group, or what? I'm seeing all of your posts of this message, so it doesn't appear they're being deleted... - Bruce _bruce__van_allen__santa_cruz_ca_ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit
