How to backspace over only one space?

[Walter Ian Kaye]

If I have a line with several spaces, and I hit backspace at the end 
of the line, it erases the entire line instead of only the last space.


How do I adjust BBEdit to only delete one space?

I looked through the prefs but couldn't find any relevant setting.

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Re: How to Force BBEdit to Display CP437 High ASCII

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At 10:15 p +1000 04/09/2015, WordWeaver777 didst inscribe upon an 
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Hello John,

Thanks for the tip. However, I did not meet with success. As per 
your instructions, I tried Windows (Latin 1), as well as the other 
aforementioned encodings, and I changed the font several times to 
the three that I mentioned previously. Again, regardless of which 
ones I chose, using that menu  option did not make any difference. 
In some cases, a few of the characters displayed properly, but the 
vast majority did not.


Back to the drawing board.


Do you want to try one more font? I have FoxPrint from the old 
FoxPro, which may or may not have the same encoding as the ones you 
tried. (It was a FFIL resource fork file, so I just copied it to a 
DFONT datafork file; it's a TrueType font.)


In any case, the Latin-type encodings are NOT cp437, so they will not 
work with that encoding. Thus the real question is for BBSW: How can 
we extend the app with other encodings? Is it user extensible, or 
does it require special coding by the BB developers?


-W
PS. I once created my own cp437 font, but it's bitmap only so it's 
not recognized by modern OS X apps.


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Re: How to double-click on word and INCLUDE the period?

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At 11:37 a -0700 09/16/2014, Nick Matzke didst inscribe upon an 
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When I'm programming, I always use underscores in my function and 
variable names, because I can double-click on them and get the whole 
thing.  E.g.:


get_human_DNA
sampled_DNA

However, most other programmers write their variables like this:

get.human.DNA
sampled.DNA

...when I double-click on these, I only get a selection up to the period.
 E.g., just sampled or just DNA. Is there a way to change this
behavior, and get the whole word, including the period?

I know it's just another click or two to select the whole word manually,



Well, not click per se, just drag to the component at the other end. 
For example (using your example), double-click on get and while 
keeping your clicker pressed, drag to the D.


And I just noticed that Eudora treats word boundaries the exact 
opposite (dots vs underscores); probably for selecting email 
addresses faster.


-W

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Re: Saving local and remote at same time

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At 08:17 a -0800 01/17/2012, dmayo2 didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus:


Hello.
I've recently move to mac from windows and I'm trying to find the best
editor, and I really like what I see in bbedit, with one seemingly
glaring omission:

This is what I could do over on my other system, and can't seem to
figure out how to do it here. I have a project set up where you tell
the program the directory of local files, and the matching directory
on a remote server. You provide any and all config options like ip
address, passwords, etc. Then you can load the project, open a file to
work on, save it (the local file) and the program does that as well as
saving the file remotely.

I see that BBEdit will save files in a directory with today's date,
which seems like it's trying to be an SVN of sorts, and at other times
it seems to add a date to the file name itself. I've tried opening
from the ftp and saving. I've tried opening a local, then saving local
and immediately saving again to ftp, but that's where the extra
characters seem to show up.


Extra characters? Oh, you mean the date on the backup file?



Am I missing something?


Well, BBEdit isn't really a CVS/SVN program itself, though I believe 
it can work with 3rd party ones.


I once wrote a script to edit remote files via [s]ftp (keeping track 
of multiple servers and passwords in a relational textfile database), 
but it doesn't sync with local files. I could probably add that 
feature... and maybe I should for myself too, hehehe. :-)


-Walter

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Re: how to mark html document headings

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At 11:26 p +0100 01/09/2012, Roland Küffner didst inscribe upon an 
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Am 09.01.2012 um 9, 22:55 schrieb Walter Ian Kaye:
 At 12:01 p +0100 01/09/2012, Roland Küffner didst inscribe upon an 
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 To get nicely named entries in the menu try this:

 Search:
 h.+?(.+?)\h


 What do the ?s mean here?


In one sentence: it makes the .+ search term non greedy.

If you are new to regular expressions, it's highly recommended that 
you take the time it needs to read the excellent Grep Reference in 
BBEdit's Help Menu to learn the mystic secrets of searching. Text 
editing will never be the same afterwards ;-)


Kewl, thanks!


Non-Greedy Quantifiers
new in 6.5 - To work around this longest match behavior, you can 
modify your pattern to take advantage of non-greedy quantifiers.


[...]

Astute readers will note that these non-greedy quantifers correspond 
exactly to their normal (greedy) counterparts, appended with a 
question mark.

Revisting our problem of matching HTML tags, for example, we can search for:
    .+?
This matches an opening bracket, then one or more occurrences of any 
character other than a return, followed by a closing bracket. The 
non-greedy quantifer achieves the results we want, preventing BBEdit 
from overrunning the closing angle bracket and matching across 
several tags.


Hmm, I still don't quite understand why it makes it not overrun. Is 
the ? somehow bound to the text following it, in addition to the 
expression preceding it?


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Re: How do I convert an html4 table to html5? Is there a tool for that?

[Walter Ian Kaye]

At 03:03 p -0800 01/07/2012, ijak didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus:


.

I have a html4 table that creates a picture frame around a certain
sized image. That way I can place any image inside the frame on my web
page, without having to create image including a frame for every image
I post on my blog.

This is what the html4 version looks like when rendered on the
wordpress.com site that has a CSS defined table type.

http://lenslord.com/2012/01/05/tabletest/

This is more what it is supposed to look like.
http://lenslord.com/2012/01/02/iphone-photos-can-be-fun/

Is there a tool anywhere that can make that conversion for me?



Are you sure you don't mean CSS3?

http://developer.apple.com/library/safari/documentation/AppleApplications/
Reference/SafariCSSRef/Articles/StandardCSSProperties.html
#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30001266--webkit-border-image

http://css-tricks.com/understanding-border-image/

Note that border-image uses a *single* image, while the 9-cell method 
uses 8 slices of images; that precludes automatic conversion.


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Re: possible to set upper case tags as the default?

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At 08:08 p -0700 10/03/2011, Fletcher Sandbeck didst inscribe upon an 
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On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:43 PM, blinde wrote:


 based on the discussions thus far: SHOULD i use all lowercase tags?
 does it really matter? if so, WHY does it matter?


If you use compression on your web pages there evidentially can be 
some benefit to using all same case tags so that they can be 
compressed as common tokens.  Google also recommends specifying tag 
parameters and css rules in alphabetical order every time and using 
consistent quoting.  These can help ensure that tags with common 
parameters can be efficiently compressed.


http://code.google.com/speed/page-speed/docs/payload.html



css rules in alphabetical order? hahahahaha. For machines maybe, but 
certainly not for humans. I, for one, am keeping my border-radius and 
-webkit-border-radius and -moz-border-radius together, dagnabbit!


As for uppercase/lowercase, I code in HTML4 and have always* seen 
xhtml as insanity, and I prefer uppercase tags for same reason 
mentioned earlier.


Well-formed HTML is preferable to badly-formed xhtml (of which there 
is much on the Web; that's the real world for ya).



-boo
*since its idiotic inception on the html-wg mailing list many moons ago

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Re: My Disappoints in BBEdit 10

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At 06:41 a -0400 09/12/2011, Morbus Iff didst inscribe upon an 
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  Basically (I insist on this) It really seems that none

 of the bbedit programmers are advanced *HTML* programmers.


This is the second or third time someone has stressed that advanced
HTML programmers need dialogs and UIs to help them create their
advanced code. I still haven't stopped Teh Chuckling over it.


Heehee! Like (no facebook widgets in email)

-handcoder boo

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Re: Seeking for last version with PowerPC support and Tiger support

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At 09:49 a -0700 09/12/2011, Douglas Mencken didst inscribe upon an 
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I suppose I can post the reply from sales support to this public list.
The answer was *no*:

 quote begins 
[...] BBEdit 10.0 (the latest version) requires Mac OS X 10.6 or
later, and we regret that old versions of the software are no longer
available for purchase.

I'm sorry we can't be of assistance with this specific request [...]
 quote ends 


Well that really sucks. Evidently BareBones would rather we run 6.5 
than 9.3, which makes no sense at all.


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Re: Seeking for last version with PowerPC support and Tiger support

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At 10:30 a -0700 09/12/2011, Douglas Mencken didst inscribe upon an 
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I am, of course, interested. But I'm sure that would result in 30-day
demo and goodbye.


To Ron: Ditto what Doug said.

It's arbitrary and nonsensical policies like BareBones' which drive 
me to seek pirated sofware when I would rather purchase.


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Re: [BBEdit] Seeking for last version with PowerPC support and Tiger support

[Walter Ian Kaye]

At 04:46 a -0700 09/10/2011, Douglas Mencken didst inscribe upon an 
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Can you please point me to location where I can download a version of
BBEdit which would run on my hardware (Power Mac, OS X Tiger).


BBEdit Release Notes Archive
http://www.barebones.com/support/bbedit/archived_notes.html

BBEdit 9.3.1 Release Notes
http://www.barebones.com/support/bbedit/arch_bbedit931.html

   BBEdit 9.3.1 requires Mac OS X 10.4 or later
   (10.4.11, 10.5.8, 10.6.7 or later recommended).

   This version is a Universal application: it runs
   natively on both Intel-based and PowerPC-based Macs.

I don't see a download for it, though.



Are payments still accepted for previous versions?


I've been wondering this too, since I've got 6.5 and would like to 
upgrade (I'm also on Tiger). And wondering what the price would be, 
especially since v10 is now cheaper.



-boo

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Re: How to make a feature request for moveable (variable) tab stops?

[Walter Ian Kaye]

At 07:04 p -0600 08/19/2011, Doug McNutt didst inscribe upon an 
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The problem is that I use other software and hardware - think 
numerically controlled lathe and circuit board creation.  They 
expect the tab characters with one  tab per column and they get very 
upset with markup language, table and the like. Gerber files, once 
you get there, are fine in BBEdit.


Nisus 5.1 was really great.  It kept all of the text in a data fork 
and all of the  formatting in the resource fork. The text files were 
usable everywhere. No more.  It's now a typical OS 10 word processor.


Tex-Edit Plus still keeps all the text in the data fork and all the 
formatting in the resource fork. :-)


The other option is Microsoft Excel which, to say the least, is more 
than I need but it does work with tab separated data both in and out.


Don't forget Bean. It lets you set variable tab stops. Come to think 
of it, I think TextEdit does too, though Bean is far better.



-boo
who used to design printed circuit boards using tape from that 
company in Chatsworth CA, whatever it was called.


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Re: How to make a feature request for moveable (variable) tab stops?

[Walter Ian Kaye]

At 02:49 a -0700 08/20/2011, Walter Ian Kaye didst inscribe upon an 
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-boo
who used to design printed circuit boards using tape from that 
company in Chatsworth CA, whatever it was called.


Holy smokes Doug, I remembered -- Bishop Graphics it was! Ah, now I 
can sleep, lol.


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Re: Bare Bones Web Pages

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At 01:31 a -0500 08/18/2011, Christopher Stone didst inscribe upon an 
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# BBEdit Home Page
open location http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/index.html;



Minor nit: there's never any need to include index.html in a URL. 
It's purely a server internal detail which no one apart from the page 
owner need ever see.


And for the page owner, my own convention is the following:

For any
/foo/index.html

I do
/foo/00_foo.html

and
ln -s 00_foo.html index.html

so that my BBEdit menus/windows never see an index.html file.

I do the 00 prefix to ensure it sorts to the top, a convention I 
borrowed from the old Info-Mac archives (ah, mem'ries...).


Heh, there's a no-www website; I think there oughta be a no-indexhtml one too!


-boo

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Windowless AppleScript? (was Re: What's the BBEdit Sales Pitch?)

[Walter Ian Kaye]

At 07:01 p -0700 08/10/2011, oliver didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus:

AppleScript (which seems to be primarily useful for customizing your 
interaction with the app)


I just had a crazy thought. Hey BareBones, what do you think of a 
notion of being able to harness BBEdit to manipulate text *without* a 
window? Like, instead of 'tell text document 1' it could be 'tell 
someTextObject'?


I think I'm typing in my sleep, but I'm gonna hit Send anyway g


-boo

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Re: I Want My Modal Edit Boxes Back!

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At 11:18 p -0600 08/03/2011, LuKreme didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus:


Mark markjal...@gmail.com squaked out on Wed 03-Aug-2011 08:54
 




  start at top with cmd-T

Shift-Ctrl-W toggles ³Wrap around² as ³Start at top² is meaningless 
in a non-modal dialog.


Eh? That's in reference to the document, not the dialog. ???


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At the top right is a weird icon that expands the option window to 
show more options


Weird? In what way?



(if you move your window, the dialog box disappears, by the way).


What if you move your window while holding down the Command key?


-boo

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Re: What's the BBEdit Sales Pitch?

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At 08:49 p -0700 07/27/2011, Brett Kelly didst inscribe upon an 
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I'm developer/writer who has, historically, been a vim (MacVim,
specifically) user who is investigating other editors that have a bit
better integration with OS X. The majority of my work is editing HTML/
XML, Python and PHP as well as writing a fair bit of regular old
English prose.


Sounds like a good fit so far. ;)


If somebody asked me why I use vim, I'd tell them it's because you can
configure it to do just about anything you want, you never have to
touch the mouse and there is a vibrant, active developer community
surrounding it that has built all manner of customizations for it.

If I asked a TextMate user why they use it, they'd probably tell me
about all the stuff that can be done with Bundles and snippets (there
may be more, I don't really know).

If somebody asked you, my new friend, why you use BBEdit, what would
you tell them?


It's hard to speak in generalities, but you can certainly do a lot 
with the keyboard in BBEdit. You can script text processing in Perl 
or AppleScript (etc.; I assume Python as well) and assign it a 
keyboard shortcut, you can script a workflow helper thing in 
AppleScript (have you viewed the AS dictionary in BBEdit? It's quite 
comprehensive), and of course lots of other people have processing 
thingies (er, scripts; I'm tired) available.



Thanks for your time and please tell me if there's anything I can add
or clarify that would make my question easier to answer.


Well, anything more specific. If there's something particular about 
vim which you are hoping exists or can be simulated in BBEdit, just 
say what it is and folks will respond to that specifically. I don't 
know how long you've been reading this discussion list, but if you've 
perused enough you'll know that it's a helpful community always at 
the ready to provide tips, tricks, code, etc.


-boo :)

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Re: 10.0 makes things more difficult for me.

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At 03:26 p -0600 07/24/2011, LuKreme didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus:


On Jul 24, 2011, at 15:15, echo goo...@echozone.com wrote:



 (c) no size tags once a file is selected;


 width + height attributes are not required on image tags. Perhaps
 omitted to work with some responsive design techniques for images.


Not REQUIRED, but strongly recommended. If someone coded a page 
without width+height I would make them fix it.


When did it become optional? I thought it was required since, like, 
3.2 or something. BTW, there was an old trick whereby if you gave 
only one dimension, say WIDTH=96, the browser would calculate the 
other to match the aspect ratio for you. Although now I put my images 
sizes in their filenames so my Perl scripts (and my eyes) can 
instantly parse it out (foo-bar-WWWxHHH.jpeg).



  (d) apparently enforced alt text, inserted even if I delete it.


 I also would prefer deleting would result in an empty alt attribute,
 but I did find that if you enter a space, that works to make it  


All text is REQUIRED on all images. Omitting it or setting it to a 
space is an error, pure and simple.


How do you deal with purely decorative images? Their ALTs should not 
have noise in them. Old versions of Lynx would annoyingly put 
[IMAGE] when the ALT was set to  but not when set to   (so I 
used to do ALT=  a lot); newer versions of the browser became 
smarter about ALT=, thankfully.


-boo
Lynx trick:
SPAN.hidden {display:none}
SPAN CLASS=hidden /SPAN !-- make up for lack of CSS padding --

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Re: BBEdit 10 cost

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At 10:48 a -0700 07/19/2011, SSteve didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus:


On Jul 19, 10:11 am, Keith keith.ledbet...@gmail.com wrote:

 So let me get this straight.


The Mac App Store is changing the game. There will no longer be a
distinction between initial purchase price and upgrade price. So
BareBones has to forgo the initial purchase price and offer the
program to new users at what was formerly the upgrade price. In what
way does that suck for you?


Sounds like a weird form of buyer's remorse. Any pain is temporally 
localized, and good mental health means getting over it within a 
short time. It's just the way it goes. Transitions always have some 
side effect; just be glad it's a temporary one.


On another note:

Since I'm on Tiger, what will be the cost to get version 8.5-8.7.2 for my v6.5?

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Re: DTD Question

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At 04:45 p -0600 07/11/2011, LuKreme didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus:

When was HTML 4.01 transitional relevant? 1999? What are you 
transitioning from (HTML 3.2) and what are you transitioning to? 
(HTML 4.01 Strict or HTML5).




But HotMetal was a steaming pile of monkey feces.


xhtml is a steaming pile of monkey feces. I stick to HTML 4.01 
transitional for all my own websites. Like 50% of all surveyed, I 
prefer UPPERCASE tags (yes, BBEdit's syntax coloring helps editing, 
but uppercase tags are an additional help which I choose to retain). 
I was around on the html-wg mailing list when xhtml was invented 
and the idiocy displayed by supposedly intelligent people (let's 
embed XML into an HTML document) turned me off to it before it even 
got the xhtml moniker. Besides, well-formed HTML beats malformed or 
mistyped xhtml any day. I wish there were an HTML 4.5 to add the 
xhtml5 tags (for validation).


And with that, our list admin is gonna kick in, lol. :-)

-boo
who won't add Google's +1 button because they insist on a proprietary g tag.

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Re: Why does this group expose our private email addresses?

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Best to have an address for lists only


How did you get Google Groups to accept a non-Gmail address? When the 
BBEdit listserv switched to Google, I couldn't get it to accept my 
normal return address and had to use a Gmail address to send to 
this list.

What's the secret?

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Re: AppleScript Open File in BBEdit 9.6

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Oh, that must be a new feature; doesn't work in my old SE 1.9.


At 08:48 a -0400 06/23/2011, BeeRich didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus:

You can also drag the file into the AE window and the path to the 
file comes up. 



On 2011-06-23, at 7:51 AM, Walter Ian Kaye wrote:


 BTW, an easy way to get an alias filepath is just run this in Script Editor:

 choose file


  Then navigate to and open the file, and copy the result. :-)


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Re: AppleScript Open File in BBEdit 9.6

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BTW, an easy way to get an alias filepath is just run this in Script Editor:

choose file

Then navigate to and open the file, and copy the result. :-)

-boo


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Sorry Patrick.  I got this to work.

How can I then launch a Text Factory on that file?  I can't seem to 
find anything in the dictionary. 




On 2011-06-22, at 5:30 PM, Patrick Woolsey wrote:

  set myF to alias Hard Drive:Users:pwoolsey:Desktop:foo.txt


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Re: umlauts in urls

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At 08:04 p +0100 03/21/2011, Gregory Wiest didst inscribe upon an 
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Hello,

Is there a way to get BBEdit's syntax checker to accept urls with 
umlauts in them?  There are addresses, like this one,


http://www.fräuleinhildebrand.de

which use umlauts. Spelling that address with 
www.fruuml;leinhildebrand.de is incorrect.


Wrong encoding method. URL encoding uses %HH where HH is hexadecimal.
I believe it uses UTF-8.

Hmm, someone must've written a conversion script

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Capture aliases of all open files?

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I'm trying to write a routine to get the aliases of all open files, 
and I need it to work in any scriptable file-editing app -- BBEdit, 
TextWrangler, Tex-Edit Plus, GraphicConverter, Adobe Illustrator, 
whatever.


I've got this working in TextWrangler (presumably BBEdit too) and 
Tex-Edit Plus. Is this the best syntax for handling multiple docs per 
window?



on GetFilesOfFrontmostApp()
local frontapppath, docs, wlist, w, drefs
set frontapppath to my GetFrontmostApp() as string
set docs to {}
tell application frontapppath
try
set wlist to every window
end try
repeat with w in wlist --loop through windows
try --see if multiple docs in window
set drefs to every document of window w
repeat with dref in drefs
	if class of (file of dref) is alias then set end of 
docs to file of dref

end repeat
on error
try
set end of docs to file of w
end try
end try
end repeat
end tell
docs
end GetFilesOfFrontmostApp

on GetFrontmostApp()
tell application System Events
file of application process 1 whose frontmost is true
end tell
end GetFrontmostApp

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Re: Mac OS X Command-Line List? What about Perl?

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At 08:49 a -0800 02/07/2011, Keith didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus:


Mac OS X 10.4  above has BASH and you can see all the commands in the
terminal by tapping TAB key twice. For help with a command type
man commandname




For Perl there are numerous books or you can go to a perl web site to get a
list of commands.


I think he meant a discussion list.
IRC is good too; #perl on freenode.net is nice. :-)

-W



On 2/7/11 12:26 AM, Christopher Stone listmeis...@thestoneforge.com
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 Hey Folks,

 Does anyone know of a good list for the Mac OS X Command-Line?

 What about Perl?


  TIA


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Generate a DTD from XML?

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I just tried two big ol' Java XML editors. Editix's command to 
generate a DTD isn't implemented in the free version, and oXygen's 
command gives file not found error (duh, it doesn't exist yet). Dum 
de dum dum.


So, I'm sure there are plenty of XML geeks here. Is there any tool to 
generate a DTD from an XML document open in a nice Mac app like 
BBEdit (or TextWrangler)?



tnx,
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Re: Generate a DTD from XML?

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I just tried two big ol' Java XML editors. Editix's command to 
generate a DTD isn't implemented in the free version, and oXygen's 
command gives file not found error (duh, it doesn't exist yet). Dum 
de dum dum.


Ah, oXygen's UI has 4 ways to apparently generate a DTD, but only one 
of them actually works (Document - XML Document - Save Structure). 
Yay Java.

I guess I can use it now. :-)

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Re: Mac App Store for BBEdit?

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At 12:09 p -0500 01/12/2011, Steve Kalkwarf didst inscribe upon an 
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Not that I understand wanting to run any OS that isn't currentŠ


Oh he opened the Pandora's box. :-)

Up through Tiger, Apple was restoring functionality that was present 
back in System 7. After Tiger, that functionality began eroding. Bell 
curve!


I don't understand how anyone can consider themselves using a Mac 
when it doesn't support creator codes, deprecates resource forks, and 
relies on filename extensions. It may still be better than Windoze, 
but it's NOT a Mac.

I have never considered loss of functionality to be an upgrade.

Besides, I'm on a G4/667. :-D


-boo
who prefers his BBEdit files having BBEdit icons and opening in 
BBEdit while his TextWrangler files have TW icons and open in 
TextWrangler.


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Re: Mac App Store for BBEdit?

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At 10:31 a -0500 01/10/2011, Patrick Woolsey didst inscribe upon an 
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Herbert Schulz he...@wideopenwest.com sez:

[...]

 A: In BBEdit and TextWrangler, authenticated saves (the ability to save
changes to files that you do not own) and the command-line tools are not
available in the App Store versions, in order to comply with Apple's
submission guidelines. We are currently at work on a solution; if this
affects you, please watch this space for developments.



The implication is that the updates available directly from BB still have
those features enabled but it doesn't really say that, does it?



There are no changes to these features in the directly-available version;
the above applies only to the App Store version.



How do you know which is which? Are they different version numbers, 
or the same app with some internal switch?


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Re: UltraEdit

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At 09:39 a + 01/04/2011, John Delacour didst inscribe upon an 
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At 10:12 +0100 04/01/2011, Maarten Sneep wrote:

[...] or a misunderstanding on the programmers' side of how a true 
Mac application should behave.


 a misunderstanding that is shared by the writers of most Mac 
applications nowadays.  Only BBEdit and the ever-living Eudora seem 
to have any respect for tradition.


...and TE+ :-D  I love me some resource fork style runs!


-boo

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Re: [ANN] BBEdit 9.6.1 (2845) pre-release

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*   [193877] Fixed a bug which would cause a crash while editing in
some situations (which themselves are not clearly understood, nor
reproducible).


You fixed a non-reproducible bug? Wow.
Next thing we know, you'll be announcing breakfast at Milliway's. :)


-boo

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Re: Using BBEdit as an external editor for Mail

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And as we see from John's post it is unlikely that we can do this 
via Applescript (or did I read that wrong?)


Well there's always ye olde clipboard

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Re: BBEdit still uses an unsupported product?

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On Nov 2, 2009, at 6:43 PM, tonza wrote:

  How
  long this type/creator mechanism remains with us Macintosh users
  remains to be seen

It does not remain to be seen. I guess you haven't noticed, but 
creator codes no longer work in Snow Leopard. This mechanism has
already been eliminated.

And I've already sent feedback to Apple saying that I won't upgrade 
beyond Tiger unless support for creator codes is restored, as it is 
vital to my workflow.

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Re: Mixed unicode and ASCII

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Here's what the first few lines looks like when opened with BBEdit

%FDF-1.2
%¹³S
1 0 obj

/FDF

/Fields [

/V (¦  l i n e   1 4)
/T (¦  f 1 _ 0 5 8 \( 0 \))


/V (¦  l i n e   1 5)
/T (¦  f 1 _ 0 6 0 \( 0 \))


/V (¦  l i n e   6)
/T (¦  f 1 _ 0 4 2 \( 0 \))


It appears that the parentheses that are not escaped designate blocks
that are encoded as UTF16. They begin with an FEFF code point which
is surely a byte order mark. After that there are 16 bit entries the
first byte of which is a null for every file I have looked at.  The
escaped parentheses are there because the author of the PDF used
parentheses in his definitions of the form names. Note though that
the backslash escape character is preceded by a null but the
parenthesis following it is not.

Yeah, that's the tricky part. I was going to suggest extracting the 
UTF16 parentheticals, but those un-prefixed parens complicate the 
process. Then again, Perl is quite capable of parsing that (as opaque 
bytes), so I guess my recommendation would be to have a script that 
splits the .fdf into, say, .fdf-t and .fdf-u files where the '-u' 
contains all the unicode strings (minus the BOMs) and the '-t' 
contains the rest, with some unique placeholder where the strings 
were so that the edited '-u' file can be recombined with it.

Maybe use the same script for splitting and recombining:

fdf.pl foo.fdf
fdf.pl foo.fdf-t foo.fdf-u  # check arg value for suffix, pass to 'if' block
fdf foo.fdf-*   # if you handle globbing via shell-alias

Umm, are *all* the un-prefixed parens of the pattern shown? that is, 
around an ASCII 0 and at the end of the string? (sounds like a 
stylish CSTR, hehe). If so, that makes it easy -- just leave that 
part in the '-t' file.

I take it the Unicode strings are the only part you want to edit in BBEdit?


-W

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Re: 2009 and eMail wordwrap, or lack thereof...

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Long ago I learned about speed reading. It's a technique for getting
printed information into the brain without any side to side motion of
the eyeballs which slows things down. That kind of scanning works for
newspaper columns but it's difficult, at least for me, for paperbacks
and impossible for anything like the full width of a computer display.

I like to shrink my incoming mail messages to about 4 inches wide on
my screen.

I set my Web browser window at 512px wide so I can scan vertically 
and maximize my peripheral vision without giving me eye or neck 
strain. What ever happened to Evelyn Woods, anyway?


My email program - Eudora - has no problem starting new lines at 
word breaks but it has serious problems removing breaks that were 
put there by someone at the other end or, helpfully, by some mailing 
list manager.

Fortunately Eudora lets you edit incoming messages, and you can 
either use an AppleScript or textSOAP to unwrap paragraphs. (But of 
course for code it won't know what it's supposed to look like, so 
then it's manual tweaking)


We also have format-flowed which was once needed for the likes of
email via ASR33 teletype machines that really needed 80 characters or
less and the linefeed and carriage return were two entirely different
functions. Nulls were even required to give the carriage time to
return. It is utterly amazing to me that it is February 21, 2009
and e-mail still has to support the ASR33. And does everyone notice
that Apple has mucked up format-flowed with delsp = yes so that a
lot of e-mail clients leave the spaces that Apple puts into URLs when
they get wordwrapped by OS neXt's Mail.app?

Does Google preserve format=flowed? If not, maybe that's what's 
causing the problem (assuming a compliant email app sent the message 
in question).


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Re: Deprecated i still available via Markup Font Style

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There are some elements that have been deprecated for particular uses. 
The most obvious example is the table tags which have been 
deprecated for POSITIONING, but are perfectly OK and reasonable and
should be used for displaying tabular data blocks.

I use a table for only one type of positioning, because I have never 
found any CSS code with the required functionality -- and I scoured 
the usual sites (meyerweb, etc) as well as trying from scratch.

The requirements:
Variable-width left column, fixed width right column, and the content 
of the left column MUST precede the content of the right column for 
text browsers.

All the CSS out there is for fixed left column, and the only way I 
could get CSS to work was to have the right column content precede 
the left, but that is not acceptable. So I use a 2-column table.

If anyone wants to spend time trying to get CSS to do that, be my guest. :-)
I'm not saying it's impossible, but it sure felt like it.

-W

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Re: BBedit vs. textmate

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At 09:50 p -0500 11/11/2008, Aaron W. Hsu didst inscribe upon an 
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:10:25 -0800
Lee Hinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a project now that requires me to go on-site one day a week.
  When I get back, I duplicate my current web folder and then copy over
  the files from my remote work.

  When I open the project file, it refers to my now out-of-date files
  rather than my now current files.

I have to say I would consider this a bug in BBEdit; if BBEdit
professes to adhere to the Mac way of doing things, then this
shouldn't happen. 

From my understanding of how Mac file pointers and the like should
work, standard behavior for a program when using these pointers is to
grab the file from its new location only if the old location does not
have a newly placed file.  That is, referencing a file in /blah/x
should only go to /blah_me/y (to which an old /blah/x was moved) if
/blah/x does not exist.

Someone feel free to correct my understanding of the issue.  Thus, in
projects, I would expect BBEdit to follow the files if and only if
these files were not overwritten by newer files in their old
locations.

Well, that is true. It sounds like Lee did it the correct way, which is:
1. Copy folder to elsewhere
2. Replace files in *original* folder (not the copy, regardless of its name)

I don't know why this would fail on an OS level, nevermind BBEdit.
It doesn't make sense.

-W

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