Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Barbara Snyder]

Ah, yes I do, but I probably did it for a reason at some point in the distant 
past. Just turned it off and restarted BBEdit, but the behavior didn't change. 
Weird 

When I have time I can try restarting my Mac and see if that makes a difference.

Thanks -- Barbara


> On Feb 7, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Kerri Hicks  wrote:
> 
> Barbara, if you go to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts, do you 
> have the radio button at the bottom set to "All controls"? 
> 
> Changing it to "Text boxes and lists only" may change the behavior you're 
> describing, so you only have to hit that key chord once, not three times, to 
> change focus in BBEdit.
> 
> --Kerri
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Kerri Hicks]

Barbara, if you go to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts, do you
have the radio button at the bottom set to "All controls"?

Changing it to "Text boxes and lists only" may change the behavior you're
describing, so you only have to hit that key chord once, not three times,
to change focus in BBEdit.

--Kerri

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 5:06 PM Barbara Snyder  Brian --
>
> What I have discovered (noted earlier) is the following:
>
> If I am in the editing window, pressing ctrl-shift-tab THREE times gets me
> to the list of files at the top of the sidebar.
>
> Then I can use arrow keys to go up and down, and press Enter to open (if
> the file is not already open).
>
> Then ctrl-tab THREE times gets me back to the editing window.
>
> -- Barbara
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:08:18 PM UTC-8, Brian Christiansen wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> After searching the user manual (love that thing) and this group, I can't
>> find anything on getting around within the sidebar without taking my hands
>> off the keyboard.
>>
>> What I am picturing is,
>>
>> 1. Key combo to shift focus to the sidebar
>> 2. Keys to move through the hierarchy, in the manner of navigating the
>> Finder from the keyboard.
>> 3. Perhaps CMD-O to open a file
>> 4. Key combo to shift focus back to the editor pane.
>>
>> Am I just missing it? I've wanted to do this for years, and have never
>> gotten around to asking. The majority of my work is within Projects, so for
>> me the Sidebar is there 95% of the time.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> ~brian
>>
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[@lbutlr]

On 7 Feb 2019, at 20:27, @lbutlr  wrote:
> 
> and at the end you can only move forward.

brain-o, backward, of course.


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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[@lbutlr]

On 7 Feb 2019, at 14:58, Christopher Stone  wrote:
> As I said – Control-Shift Tab – moves you FROM the sidebar TO the document 
> being edited.
> 
> Control-Tab moves you FROM the document being edited TO the FILES part of the 
> sidebar.

This is confusing. I now what you are talking about and I am confused.

control-tab moves you "forward" in the cycle of possible focal areas in the 
window. There are four of these, so if you hit control-tab four times, you will 
cycle through them all.

control-shift-tab moves you backwards in the cycle.

So, wherever you are, hitting any combination of these will return you to where 
you are:

o ctrl-tab then ctrl-shift-tab
o ctrl-shift-tab then ctrl-tab
o ctrl-shift-tab ctrl-shift-tab ctrl-shift-tab ctrl-shift-tab
o ctrl-tab ctrl-tab ctrl-tab ctrl-tab

This will work the same in other windows with multiple areas as well, but the 
numbers may change.

Also, these are system-wide keys, not simply BBEdit keys, so you may find them 
useful in other applications. They may not do what you expect. For example, in 
Messages, they move up and down the list of conversations. In Mail, in a 
composition window, they do nothing. In the Finder they ALMOST do nothing.

In the Mail browser window they move through various parts of the UI, but do 
not cycle around so at the start you can only move forward and at the end you 
can only move forward.

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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Brian Christiansen]

Thanks, Barbara. I appreciate you sharing what you’ve learned. I haven’t been 
working in BBEdit projects of late, but I’ll tuck this away next time I’m back 
at it!
On Feb 7, 2019, 5:06 PM -0500, Barbara Snyder , wrote:
> Brian --
>
> What I have discovered (noted earlier) is the following:
>
> If I am in the editing window, pressing ctrl-shift-tab THREE times gets me to 
> the list of files at the top of the sidebar.
>
> Then I can use arrow keys to go up and down, and press Enter to open (if the 
> file is not already open).
>
> Then ctrl-tab THREE times gets me back to the editing window.
>
> -- Barbara
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:08:18 PM UTC-8, Brian Christiansen wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > After searching the user manual (love that thing) and this group, I can't 
> > find anything on getting around within the sidebar without taking my hands 
> > off the keyboard.
> >
> > What I am picturing is,
> >
> > 1. Key combo to shift focus to the sidebar
> > 2. Keys to move through the hierarchy, in the manner of navigating the 
> > Finder from the keyboard.
> > 3. Perhaps CMD-O to open a file
> > 4. Key combo to shift focus back to the editor pane.
> >
> > Am I just missing it? I've wanted to do this for years, and have never 
> > gotten around to asking. The majority of my work is within Projects, so for 
> > me the Sidebar is there 95% of the time.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > ~brian
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Barbara Snyder]

Brian --

What I have discovered (noted earlier) is the following: 

If I am in the editing window, pressing ctrl-shift-tab THREE times gets me 
to the list of files at the top of the sidebar. 

Then I can use arrow keys to go up and down, and press Enter to open (if 
the file is not already open).

Then ctrl-tab THREE times gets me back to the editing window.

-- Barbara

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:08:18 PM UTC-8, Brian Christiansen wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> After searching the user manual (love that thing) and this group, I can't 
> find anything on getting around within the sidebar without taking my hands 
> off the keyboard. 
>
> What I am picturing is,
>
> 1. Key combo to shift focus to the sidebar
> 2. Keys to move through the hierarchy, in the manner of navigating the 
> Finder from the keyboard.
> 3. Perhaps CMD-O to open a file
> 4. Key combo to shift focus back to the editor pane.
>
> Am I just missing it? I've wanted to do this for years, and have never 
> gotten around to asking. The majority of my work is within Projects, so for 
> me the Sidebar is there 95% of the time.
>
> Thank you,
> ~brian
>

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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Christopher Stone]

On 02/07/2019, at 14:45, Barbara Snyder mailto:barb...@signalfx.com>> wrote:
> I am in the list of files (top left of sidebar).
> 
> I click or use the keyboard to navigate to an open document, which now shows 
> up in the editor window.
> 
> I want to use the keyboard to place my cursor in the open document.


Hey Barbara,

Right.

As I said – Control-Shift Tab – moves you FROM the sidebar TO the document 
being edited.

Control-Tab moves you FROM the document being edited TO the FILES part of the 
sidebar.

--
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Barbara Snyder]

OK maybe my terminology is inexact.

I am in the list of files (top left of sidebar).

I click or use the keyboard to navigate to an open document, which now shows up 
in the editor window.

I want to use the keyboard to place my cursor in the open document. 

After more futzing, I have finally determined that I have to use Ctrl-tab 3 
times to get into the document, then ctrl-shift-tab 3 times to get back to the 
file list.

Is that as designed?

Thanks -- Barbara

P.S. At least now I have an idea what I can do in Keyboard Maestro!


> On Feb 7, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Christopher Stone  > wrote:
> 
> On 02/07/2019, at 13:18, Barbara Snyder  > wrote:
>> IOW if I am in the sidebar and navigate to the name of a document that is 
>> open, I can never get from there to the editor via the keyboard.
> 
> 
> Hey Barbara,
> 
> Control-Tab to get from the Editor into the sidebar.
> 
> Control-Shift-Tab to get from the sidebar to the editor.
> 
> Continuing to press one or the other of these will move you serially between 
> the editor, the Project File panel, the Currently Open Documents panel, and 
> the Worksheet & Scratchpad panel.
> 
> --
> Best Regards,
> Chris
> 
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Christopher Stone]

On 02/07/2019, at 13:18, Barbara Snyder mailto:barb...@signalfx.com>> wrote:
> IOW if I am in the sidebar and navigate to the name of a document that is 
> open, I can never get from there to the editor via the keyboard.


Hey Barbara,

Control-Tab to get from the Editor into the sidebar.

Control-Shift-Tab to get from the sidebar to the editor.

Continuing to press one or the other of these will move you serially between 
the editor, the Project File panel, the Currently Open Documents panel, and the 
Worksheet & Scratchpad panel.

--
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Barbara Snyder]

That isn't working for me. I checked all my keyboard shortcuts and macros in 
other places (like mac settings and Keyboard Maestro), and I do not have those 
keys mapped to anything that might be conflicting. They move me among the stuff 
in the sidebar (icons on bottom etc) and to other windows I might have open 
(like Find) but never plop me into the editor. Except when it lands me in 
scratchpad.txt. It's just weird.

IOW if I am in the sidebar and navigate to the name of a document that is open, 
I can never get from there to the editor via the keyboard.

What commands do you use in KM to get to the correct window?

Thanks -- Barbara


> On Feb 7, 2019, at 10:33 AM, Christopher Stone  > wrote:
> 
> On 02/07/2019, at 12:06, Barbara Snyder  > wrote:
>> I still can't find any way to get focus into the project sidebar via the 
>> keyboard. If I am in the editor, I have to click into the sidebar to 
>> navigate through the files in the project.
>> 
>> Similarly, if I select or click on the name of an already open file in the 
>> sidebar, so it shows in the editor, I don't know how to get from the sidebar 
>> into the editor via a keyboard command.
> 
> 
> Hey Barbara,
> 
> Control-Tab
> 
> Shift-Control-Tab
> 
> Personally I think Bare Bones should provide a settable keyboard shortcut for 
> these.
> 
> (Submit a feature request if you agree.)
> 
> In the meantime I have a couple of macros in Keyboard Maestro.
> 
> --
> Best Regards,
> Chris

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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Patrick Woolsey]

For the record, Control-Tab and Control-Shift-Tab are standard 
(macOS-wide) window navigation gestures. :-)



Regards,

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On 2/7/19 at 1:33 PM, listmeis...@suddenlink.net (Christopher 
Stone) wrote:



On 02/07/2019, at 12:06, Barbara Snyder  wrote:

I still can't find any way to get focus into the project sidebar via the 
keyboard. [...]

Similarly, [...] I don't know how to get from the sidebar into the editor via a 
keyboard command.



Hey Barbara,

Control-Tab

Shift-Control-Tab

Personally I think Bare Bones should provide a settable keyboard shortcut for 
these.

(Submit a feature request if you agree.)

In the meantime I have a couple of macros in Keyboard Maestro.

--
Best Regards,
Chris



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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Christopher Stone]

On 02/07/2019, at 12:06, Barbara Snyder mailto:barb...@signalfx.com>> wrote:
> I still can't find any way to get focus into the project sidebar via the 
> keyboard. If I am in the editor, I have to click into the sidebar to navigate 
> through the files in the project.
> 
> Similarly, if I select or click on the name of an already open file in the 
> sidebar, so it shows in the editor, I don't know how to get from the sidebar 
> into the editor via a keyboard command.


Hey Barbara,

Control-Tab

Shift-Control-Tab

Personally I think Bare Bones should provide a settable keyboard shortcut for 
these.

(Submit a feature request if you agree.)

In the meantime I have a couple of macros in Keyboard Maestro.

--
Best Regards,
Chris

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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[bruce linde]

i have no memory of ever doing this, but must have… it’s a brilliant feature i 
use all the time.
as usual: thx, barebones!   8-)






> On Feb 7, 2019, at 8:13 AM, Patrick Woolsey  > wrote:
> 
> On 2/6/19 at 7:23 PM, barb...@signalfx.com  
> (Barbara Snyder) wrote:
> 
>> What I want to do is use the keyboard to select a different file from the 
>> project file list.
>> 
> [...]
> 
> There is an expert prefs option which you can set to obtain this behavior.
> 
> Cribbing from the "Expert Preferences" page of the online help (Help -> 
> BBEdit Help):
> 
> 
> 
> Projects
> 
>  * In project windows, the file list does not accept keyboard focus
>by default, unless the editing view is hidden. You can modify this
>so that the file list gets the focus whenever you click on it:
> 
>[ by issuing the following Terminal command ]
> 
>defaults write com.barebones.bbedit ProjectsListCanAcquireKeyboardFocus 
> -bool YES
> 
> 
> 
> Having made the above change, you may further wish to enable the next option 
> to prevent keyboard navigation "over" files from automatically opening them:
> 
> 
> 
> Projects
> 
>  * In project windows, the file list does not accept [ ... ]
> 
>  * Project windows will ordinarily open an item in the file list
>for editing when you click on it and the editing view is visible.
>To require a double-click:
> 
>[ just enter the following Terminal command ]
> 
>defaults write com.barebones.bbedit ProjectsOpenItemsOnSingleClick -bool NO
> 
> 
> 
> (PS: Since the latter option does work :-) please check to ensure you've 
> entered the  command exactly as it appears above.)
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  -- Patrick Woolsey
> ==
> Bare Bones Software, Inc.    >
> 
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Patrick Woolsey]

On 2/6/19 at 7:23 PM, barb...@signalfx.com (Barbara Snyder) wrote:

What I want to do is use the keyboard to select a different 
file from the project file list.



[...]

There is an expert prefs option which you can set to obtain this behavior.

Cribbing from the "Expert Preferences" page of the online help 
(Help -> BBEdit Help):




Projects

  * In project windows, the file list does not accept keyboard focus
by default, unless the editing view is hidden. You can 
modify this

so that the file list gets the focus whenever you click on it:

[ by issuing the following Terminal command ]

defaults write com.barebones.bbedit 
ProjectsListCanAcquireKeyboardFocus -bool YES




Having made the above change, you may further wish to enable the 
next option to prevent keyboard navigation "over" files from 
automatically opening them:




Projects

  * In project windows, the file list does not accept [ ... ]

  * Project windows will ordinarily open an item in the file list
for editing when you click on it and the editing view is visible.
To require a double-click:

[ just enter the following Terminal command ]

defaults write com.barebones.bbedit 
ProjectsOpenItemsOnSingleClick -bool NO




(PS: Since the latter option does work :-) please check to 
ensure you've entered the  command exactly as it appears above.)



Regards,

  -- Patrick Woolsey
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Barbara Snyder]

Hi - I know these messages are old, but I am running into the same issues. 
But nothing suggested here works WRT using the keyboard. Cmd-Option-arrows 
doesn't seem to do anything. Neither do the ctrl-tab options.

What I want to do is use the keyboard to select a different file from the 
project file list.

I ran all the recommended expert preferences. This one didn't work (a 
single-click still displays the file):  

defaults write com.barebones.bbedit ProjectsOpenItemsOnSingleClick -bool NO

I'm also not sure what the difference between opening for edit and 
revealing is, but this also didn't seem to do anything.

defaults write com.barebones.bbedit AutoRevealSelectedDocumentInProjectList 
-bool YES

In any case, all I am looking for is keyboard control of the project's file 
list.

Thanks -- Barbara


On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 8:25:53 AM UTC-8, Brian Christiansen wrote:
>
> > defaults write com.barebones.bbedit ProjectsListCanAcquireKeyboardFocus 
> -bool YES
>
> Patrick, thank you. Now I have to struggle with whether I actually like 
> this or not. Because the Project sidebar is instant-activation, by which I 
> mean, it opens the file as soon as it's highlighted. So if I want to arrow 
> down 10 files to open the 10th, I wind up opening 1–10. On first 
> experiment, I opened 30 files in 1.5 seconds, unintentionally. ("This is 
> why it's not enabled by default behavior", Patrick thinks to himself.)
>
> However, playing with this in the Currently open documents pane, that I've 
> liked a lot.
>
> > CMD + OPT + Left or Right Arrow Key
>
> David! How are you. Do you write your books in BBEdit? Thanks for the 
> note. I had this set to Opt+Cmd+ [ & ] -- mimicking the browser shortcut to 
> switch between open tabs. I just switched it to use the arrow keys after 
> realizing that combo is not a text control combo like opt+right-arrow or 
> cmd+right-arrow. I'll try this for a bit and see how it feels. Thanks!
>
> > Any tricks for getting the focus on the [project’s] file list WITHOUT 
> having to click on it (i.e., without taking our hands off the keyboard)? We 
> want to save EVERY calorie that we can. 
>
> Yes, sir, Alfredo! Ever since I read this one StackOverflow post about Vim 
> years ago, I've been on a quest to use BBEdit in a similar fashion… when 
> I'm in code, I want to pretend the mouse does not exist (or in my case, 
> trackpad.)
>
> > Control-Tab
> > Control-Shift-Tab
>
> Thank you, Chris! This one is completely new to me.
>
> I appreciate everyone's input.
>
> Best,
> ~brian
> @briandigital
>
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-5, Alfredo wrote:
>>
>> Hey Chris,
>>
>> These two shortcuts work great.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Alfredo 
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Christopher Stone  
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 03/06/2018, at 16:33, F. Alfredo Rego  wrote:
>>
>> Any tricks for getting the focus on the [project’s] file list WITHOUT 
>> having to click on it (i.e., without taking our hands off the keyboard)?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Hey Alfredo,
>>
>> Control-Tab
>>
>> Control-Shift-Tab
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> Chris
>>
>>
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[F. Alfredo Rego]

Thanks, Lee, but that’s not a “compact/terse list”. Nonetheless, following your 
hint, I decided to extract the espresso (using BBEdit as my espresso machine, 
of course) and here it is. 

To suit your taste(s), you can add your preferred amount of textured milk to 
produce a macchiato, a cappuccino, a latte, or a venti. I hope it’s useful to 
everyone.

Enjoy.

Alfredo

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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Lee Hinde]

Look for Expert Preferences in BBEdit Help (under the Help Menu).

> On Mar 10, 2018, at 9:24 AM, F. Alfredo Rego  wrote:
> 
> Very Nice, Patrick.
> 
> Is there a compact/terse list of all of these great “accessory prefs” 
> somewhere?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Alfredo
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Patrick Woolsey  wrote:
>> 
>> On 3/9/18 at 6:11 PM, bria...@gmail.com (Brian Christiansen) wrote:
>> 
 defaults write com.barebones.bbedit ProjectsListCanAcquireKeyboardFocus 
 -bool YES
>>> 
>>> Patrick, thank you. Now I have to struggle with whether I actually like 
>>> this or not. Because the Project sidebar is instant-activation, by which I 
>>> mean, it opens the file as soon as it's highlighted. So if I want to arrow 
>>> down 10 files to open the 10th, I wind up opening 1–10. On first 
>>> experiment, I opened 30 files in 1.5 seconds, unintentionally. ("This is 
>>> why it's not enabled by default behavior", Patrick thinks to himself.)
>>> 
>>> However, playing with this in the Currently open documents pane, that I've 
>>> liked a lot.
>> 
>> Apropos of when BBEdit opens files, there is an accessory pref as follows:
>> 
>> ===
>> Projects
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> * Project windows will ordinarily open an item in the file list for
>>   editing when you click on it and the editing view is visible. To
>>   require a double-click:
>> 
>>   [ please issue the following Terminal command ]
>> 
>>   defaults write com.barebones.bbedit ProjectsOpenItemsOnSingleClick -bool NO
>> 
>> ===
>> 
>> so you may wish to apply it as well. :-)
>> 
>> 
 Control-Tab
 Control-Shift-Tab
>>> 
>>> Thank you, Chris! This one is completely new to me.
>>> 
>> 
>> FWIW you can use these key shortcuts to switch between panes within a window 
>> in (nearly) every Mac application.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Patrick Woolsey
>> ==
>> Bare Bones Software, Inc. 

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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[F. Alfredo Rego]

Very Nice, Patrick.

Is there a compact/terse list of all of these great “accessory prefs” somewhere?

Thanks.

Alfredo

> On Mar 10, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Patrick Woolsey  wrote:
> 
> On 3/9/18 at 6:11 PM, bria...@gmail.com (Brian Christiansen) wrote:
> 
>>> defaults write com.barebones.bbedit ProjectsListCanAcquireKeyboardFocus 
>>> -bool YES
>> 
>> Patrick, thank you. Now I have to struggle with whether I actually like this 
>> or not. Because the Project sidebar is instant-activation, by which I mean, 
>> it opens the file as soon as it's highlighted. So if I want to arrow down 10 
>> files to open the 10th, I wind up opening 1–10. On first experiment, I 
>> opened 30 files in 1.5 seconds, unintentionally. ("This is why it's not 
>> enabled by default behavior", Patrick thinks to himself.)
>> 
>> However, playing with this in the Currently open documents pane, that I've 
>> liked a lot.
> 
> Apropos of when BBEdit opens files, there is an accessory pref as follows:
> 
> ===
> Projects
> 
>  [...]
> 
>  * Project windows will ordinarily open an item in the file list for
>editing when you click on it and the editing view is visible. To
>require a double-click:
> 
>[ please issue the following Terminal command ]
> 
>defaults write com.barebones.bbedit ProjectsOpenItemsOnSingleClick -bool NO
> 
> ===
> 
> so you may wish to apply it as well. :-)
> 
> 
>>> Control-Tab
>>> Control-Shift-Tab
>> 
>> Thank you, Chris! This one is completely new to me.
>> 
> 
> FWIW you can use these key shortcuts to switch between panes within a window 
> in (nearly) every Mac application.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Patrick Woolsey
> ==
> Bare Bones Software, Inc. 
> 
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Patrick Woolsey]

On 3/9/18 at 6:11 PM, bria...@gmail.com (Brian Christiansen) wrote:


defaults write com.barebones.bbedit ProjectsListCanAcquireKeyboardFocus -bool 
YES


Patrick, thank you. Now I have to struggle with whether I 
actually like this or not. Because the Project sidebar is 
instant-activation, by which I mean, it opens the file as soon 
as it's highlighted. So if I want to arrow down 10 files to 
open the 10th, I wind up opening 1–10. On first experiment, I 
opened 30 files in 1.5 seconds, unintentionally. ("This is why 
it's not enabled by default behavior", Patrick thinks to himself.)


However, playing with this in the Currently open documents 
pane, that I've liked a lot.


Apropos of when BBEdit opens files, there is an accessory pref 
as follows:


===
Projects

  [...]

  * Project windows will ordinarily open an item in the file 
list for
editing when you click on it and the editing view is 
visible. To

require a double-click:

[ please issue the following Terminal command ]

defaults write com.barebones.bbedit 
ProjectsOpenItemsOnSingleClick -bool NO


===

so you may wish to apply it as well. :-)



Control-Tab
Control-Shift-Tab


Thank you, Chris! This one is completely new to me.



FWIW you can use these key shortcuts to switch between panes 
within a window in (nearly) every Mac application.



Regards,

 Patrick Woolsey
==
Bare Bones Software, Inc. 

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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[F. Alfredo Rego]

Rich,

Nice, BUT the file opens in a new window. How about just “activating” it within 
the Project’s “Currently Open Documents”?

I appreciate discovering all of these no-so-obvious jewels.

Thanks.

Alfredo

> On Mar 10, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Rich Siegel  wrote:
> 
> On 3/6/18 at 5:33 PM, f.alfredor...@gmail.com (F. Alfredo Rego) wrote:
> 
>> Any tricks for getting the focus on the [project’s] file list WITHOUT having 
>> to click on it (i.e., without taking our hands off the keyboard)?
> 
> If you have a project open, try "Open File by Name" and type the first few 
> characters of the file name. You can drive the entire process from the 
> keyboard.
> 
> R.
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Rich Siegel]

On 3/6/18 at 5:33 PM, f.alfredor...@gmail.com (F. Alfredo Rego) wrote:

Any tricks for getting the focus on the [project’s] file list 
WITHOUT having to click on it (i.e., without taking our hands 
off the keyboard)?


If you have a project open, try "Open File by Name" and type the 
first few characters of the file name. You can drive the entire 
process from the keyboard.


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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Brian Christiansen]

> defaults write com.barebones.bbedit ProjectsListCanAcquireKeyboardFocus 
-bool YES

Patrick, thank you. Now I have to struggle with whether I actually like 
this or not. Because the Project sidebar is instant-activation, by which I 
mean, it opens the file as soon as it's highlighted. So if I want to arrow 
down 10 files to open the 10th, I wind up opening 1–10. On first 
experiment, I opened 30 files in 1.5 seconds, unintentionally. ("This is 
why it's not enabled by default behavior", Patrick thinks to himself.)

However, playing with this in the Currently open documents pane, that I've 
liked a lot.

> CMD + OPT + Left or Right Arrow Key

David! How are you. Do you write your books in BBEdit? Thanks for the note. 
I had this set to Opt+Cmd+ [ & ] -- mimicking the browser shortcut to 
switch between open tabs. I just switched it to use the arrow keys after 
realizing that combo is not a text control combo like opt+right-arrow or 
cmd+right-arrow. I'll try this for a bit and see how it feels. Thanks!

> Any tricks for getting the focus on the [project’s] file list WITHOUT 
having to click on it (i.e., without taking our hands off the keyboard)? We 
want to save EVERY calorie that we can. 

Yes, sir, Alfredo! Ever since I read this one StackOverflow post about Vim 
years ago, I've been on a quest to use BBEdit in a similar fashion… when 
I'm in code, I want to pretend the mouse does not exist (or in my case, 
trackpad.)

> Control-Tab
> Control-Shift-Tab

Thank you, Chris! This one is completely new to me.

I appreciate everyone's input.

Best,
~brian
@briandigital

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-5, Alfredo wrote:
>
> Hey Chris,
>
> These two shortcuts work great.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Alfredo 
>
> On Mar 7, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Christopher Stone  > wrote:
>
> On 03/06/2018, at 16:33, F. Alfredo Rego  > wrote:
>
> Any tricks for getting the focus on the [project’s] file list WITHOUT 
> having to click on it (i.e., without taking our hands off the keyboard)?
>
> --
>
> Hey Alfredo,
>
> Control-Tab
>
> Control-Shift-Tab
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Chris
>
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[F. Alfredo Rego]

Hey Chris,

These two shortcuts work great.

Thanks!

Alfredo 

> On Mar 7, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Christopher Stone  
> wrote:
> 
> On 03/06/2018, at 16:33, F. Alfredo Rego  > wrote:
>> Any tricks for getting the focus on the [project’s] file list WITHOUT having 
>> to click on it (i.e., without taking our hands off the keyboard)?
> 
> 
> Hey Alfredo,
> 
> Control-Tab
> 
> Control-Shift-Tab
> 
> --
> Best Regards,
> Chris
> 
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Christopher Stone]

On 03/06/2018, at 16:33, F. Alfredo Rego > wrote:
> Any tricks for getting the focus on the [project’s] file list WITHOUT having 
> to click on it (i.e., without taking our hands off the keyboard)?


Hey Alfredo,

Control-Tab

Control-Shift-Tab

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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[DavidWeinberger]

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but CMD + OPT + Left or 
Right Arrow Key moves around the Currently Open Documents pane in the 
Projects list. No need to shift focus to it first. 

Note that if you use that keyboard shortcut, the list of projects in the 
top pane does not update to highlight the file currently in the editor, but 
the name in the Currently Open Docs pane does. I'd missed that until I 
asked Support about it. D'oh!

- David W. 

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:08:18 PM UTC-5, Brian Christiansen wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> After searching the user manual (love that thing) and this group, I can't 
> find anything on getting around within the sidebar without taking my hands 
> off the keyboard. 
>
> What I am picturing is,
>
> 1. Key combo to shift focus to the sidebar
> 2. Keys to move through the hierarchy, in the manner of navigating the 
> Finder from the keyboard.
> 3. Perhaps CMD-O to open a file
> 4. Key combo to shift focus back to the editor pane.
>
> Am I just missing it? I've wanted to do this for years, and have never 
> gotten around to asking. The majority of my work is within Projects, so for 
> me the Sidebar is there 95% of the time.
>
> Thank you,
> ~brian
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[F. Alfredo Rego]

Thanks, Patrick for the useful cribbing.

Any tricks for getting the focus on the [project’s] file list WITHOUT having to 
click on it (i.e., without taking our hands off the keyboard)?

We want to save EVERY calorie that we can.

Alfredo

> On Mar 6, 2018, at 12:50 PM, Patrick Woolsey  wrote:
> 
> There is an expert pref which you can set to allow the file list to gain 
> keyboard focus. Cribbing from the "Expert Preferences" page of the Help book:
> 
> 
> Projects
> 
>  * In project windows, the file list does not accept keyboard focus by
>default, unless the editing view is hidden. You can modify this so
>that the file list gets the focus whenever you click on it:
> 
>[ by issuing the following Terminal command on a single line ]
> 
>defaults write com.barebones.bbedit ProjectsListCanAcquireKeyboardFocus 
> -bool YES
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Patrick Woolsey
> ==
> Bare Bones Software, Inc. 
> 
> 
> On 3/5/18 at 6:07 PM, bria...@gmail.com (Brian Christiansen) wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> After searching the user manual (love that thing) and this group, I can't 
>> find anything on getting around within the sidebar without taking my hands 
>> off the keyboard.
>> What I am picturing is,
>> 
>> 1. Key combo to shift focus to the sidebar
>> 2. Keys to move through the hierarchy, in the manner of navigating the 
>> Finder from the keyboard.
>> 3. Perhaps CMD-O to open a file
>> 4. Key combo to shift focus back to the editor pane.
>> 
>> Am I just missing it? I've wanted to do this for years, and have never 
>> gotten around to asking. The majority of my work is within Projects, so for 
>> me the Sidebar is there 95% of the time.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> ~brian
>> 
> 
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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Patrick Woolsey]

There is an expert pref which you can set to allow the file list 
to gain keyboard focus. Cribbing from the "Expert Preferences" 
page of the Help book:



Projects

  * In project windows, the file list does not accept keyboard 
focus by
default, unless the editing view is hidden. You can modify 
this so

that the file list gets the focus whenever you click on it:

[ by issuing the following Terminal command on a single 
line ]


defaults write com.barebones.bbedit 
ProjectsListCanAcquireKeyboardFocus -bool YES





Regards,

 Patrick Woolsey
==
Bare Bones Software, Inc. 


On 3/5/18 at 6:07 PM, bria...@gmail.com (Brian Christiansen) wrote:


Hello,

After searching the user manual (love that thing) and this 
group, I can't find anything on getting around within the 
sidebar without taking my hands off the keyboard.

What I am picturing is,

1. Key combo to shift focus to the sidebar
2. Keys to move through the hierarchy, in the manner of 
navigating the Finder from the keyboard.

3. Perhaps CMD-O to open a file
4. Key combo to shift focus back to the editor pane.

Am I just missing it? I've wanted to do this for years, and 
have never gotten around to asking. The majority of my work is 
within Projects, so for me the Sidebar is there 95% of the time.


Thank you,
~brian



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Re: Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[F. Alfredo Rego]

Hello Brian,

I use Keyboard Maestro with great success for these kinds of challenges.

Enjoy!

Alfredo

> On Mar 5, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Brian Christiansen  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> After searching the user manual (love that thing) and this group, I can't 
> find anything on getting around within the sidebar without taking my hands 
> off the keyboard. 
> 
> What I am picturing is,
> 
> 1. Key combo to shift focus to the sidebar
> 2. Keys to move through the hierarchy, in the manner of navigating the Finder 
> from the keyboard.
> 3. Perhaps CMD-O to open a file
> 4. Key combo to shift focus back to the editor pane.
> 
> Am I just missing it? I've wanted to do this for years, and have never gotten 
> around to asking. The majority of my work is within Projects, so for me the 
> Sidebar is there 95% of the time.
> 
> Thank you,
> ~brian
> 
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Navigating folders and files in a project sidebar from the keyboard?

[Brian Christiansen]

Hello,

After searching the user manual (love that thing) and this group, I can't 
find anything on getting around within the sidebar without taking my hands 
off the keyboard. 

What I am picturing is,

1. Key combo to shift focus to the sidebar
2. Keys to move through the hierarchy, in the manner of navigating the 
Finder from the keyboard.
3. Perhaps CMD-O to open a file
4. Key combo to shift focus back to the editor pane.

Am I just missing it? I've wanted to do this for years, and have never 
gotten around to asking. The majority of my work is within Projects, so for 
me the Sidebar is there 95% of the time.

Thank you,
~brian

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