Re: Taking another step.
Dear Patti, I see you have gotten a number of other helpful responses. I'll try my two cents along with them as I well remember when I was a beginner. Not everything you hear is golden. You have to try it out and see what you think. I'm rather an advocate of some avant methods as I have tried the traditional methods, looked for improvements and found some. For example, back when Harvey Lisle recommended to us at one of my early BD conferences here in Blairsville, GA that we really should balance our applications of remedies for the soil with comparable remedies for the atmosphere, sequential spraying was born. Hugh Courtney (JPI) saw that we could make rain happen by sequential spraying if we followed up the horn manure/horn silica polarity with barrel compost (502--507)/horsetail (508). He even added on experimentally a homeopathic milk and honey spray--a nice idea but it didn't show great results. Meanwhile I had been concerned that larger acreage farmers were never going to go to all the trouble of stirring and spraying large acreages. Too much was required, even though results might pay. So I spent several years looking into Galen Hieronymus' method of inducing resonant patterns into the medium (farm ecosystem). At this point I rarely stir and spray BD preps. See my website. Moreover, I found that the long discussed horn clay, intended but not explictively described by Steiner, was the remedy that brought everything together and got great results--all other things being in the groove. I'm growing great corn on nitrogen poor (but minerally rather balanced) land without compost (with the field broadcaster and Steiner's remedies) on nitrogen poor soils. The remedies (preps) set up the conditions for corn to trade its rich root exudates for amino acids and great crop! I can only add that if you attend Jeff Poppen's conference in September you'll learn a LOT more. Hope to see you there. Best, Hugh Lovel >I have just graduated from being a back yard gardener on my little one >acre plot of land to something way over my head. I am in the process of >purchasing 11.5 acres of land in Kentucky (currently growing alfalfa) >and feel overwhelmed for the moment as to where to start in turning this >land into a sustainable farm. For the last five years I've toyed with >the idea of having an organic farm and now that I've come this far I'm >not quite sure where to start to achieve a sustainable farm this size >but I do so want to learn. Are there any organic farmers on this list >from south central Kentucky? > >I've been reading books by Gene Logsdon and Eliot Coleman but most of >this stuff I've never tried. One thing I've learned from my garden is >that plants don't always turn out the same way you read about them. >Although I've had a very successful garden here in Georgia I couldn't >tell you why. Has anyone ever written a book called Organic Farming for >Dummies? > >I've been the posts on this list but you all are way over my head. I >learn best from hands on experience. Is there a first step to learn >about biodynamics? Could anyone tell me how you got started? > >Patti. Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Help with 508
>Also, I thought I remembered something about storing >this in glass in a window, but maybe I am wrong. Did >Courtney tell you to store it in a crock out of the >light. My recollection was that it s.b. in a crock out of the sunlight. Of course, that's my recollection..
Re: Fw: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive
thanks allen for the book info , not sure i can afford it anytime soon. especially if i come to the conference. that was $150.00 by sept 1st, right. (i didnt write it down and still haven't figured out the pdf file thing.) send check to ? made out to? one more Question, no 2, what food is provided? are there places nearby to buy meals or should we pack,? and we need directions from washington. my husband and myself plan to come but i can only send advance $ for one. reality. thanks for any info. :)sharon - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive > >Hello all, i went to the web site but there was no way to order from > >the booklist , is there as e-mail or snail mail address available , so that > >i may order the books from the Kolisko list?:)sharon > > Sharon - Courtney at JPI will carry these titles when avail. (I'm > pretty sure he has all the in print titles listed on the Kolisko > page) Let him know that you've got you $60 ready for a copy when it > comes off the press. > > -Allan > > >
Re: Help with 508
Allan, When I have let 508 ferment, I did it without the leaves in it and it did ferment to a defferent odor, sort of like letting cooked rice go bad, but not a rotten sulfur odor, which would indicate strongly anaerobic conditions. Just my experience (somewhat limited with this). Also, I thought I remembered something about storing this in glass in a window, but maybe I am wrong. Did Courtney tell you to store it in a crock out of the light. Chris --- Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been working with a batch of equisetum tea of > the past two weeks. > > I made it with a unit of 508 simmered in 1 gal of > water per H.C.'s directions. > > I've stored the resultant tea in a clean heritage 5 > gal crock in the > back of our seed shed, where it's out of the sun and > the temp stays > relatively cool, even in our 100+ weather. > > I'm waiting for the 'characteristic' smell before > making a D4 > solution for storage. > > I'm not getting the 'characteristic' smell, which > H.C. says is a > 'just awful' odor. Instead, my tea has gone from > smelling like oat > straw tea to smelling like little or nothing. > > It's been two weeks. > > Anyone else have a 'problem' like this? > > To be frank, 508 has never 'gotten stinky' for me > and I've always > thought that the straw smell was the > 'characteristic' smell. > > Help! > > Thanks > > Allan > __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: Fw: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive
>Hello all, i went to the web site but there was no way to order from >the booklist , is there as e-mail or snail mail address available , so that >i may order the books from the Kolisko list?:)sharon Sharon - Courtney at JPI will carry these titles when avail. (I'm pretty sure he has all the in print titles listed on the Kolisko page) Let him know that you've got you $60 ready for a copy when it comes off the press. -Allan
Re: Fw: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive
Hello all, i went to the web site but there was no way to order from the booklist , is there as e-mail or snail mail address available , so that i may order the books from the Kolisko list?:)sharon - Original Message - From: "Teresa Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive > > >From: "James D. Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "James D. Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Teresa Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Fw: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive > >Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:24:52 -0400 > > > >Sorry, but I cannot put this book on the internet. > > > >JDS > > > >- Original Message - > >Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:58 PM > >Subject: Re: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Stewart, > > > > > > Thank you very much for your enquiry. > > > > > > I am currently in the process of preparing a re-print of Agriculture of > > > Towmorrow and DO NOT think that it would be in our best interests to > >make > > > this book available on the internet at this time. > > > > > > You are welcome to make a link to my web-page where availabulty of the > >book > > > will be posted just as soon as it is reprinted. www.talbot-2.demon.co.uk > > > > > > Thank you very mucyh for your interest. > > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely > > > > > > > > > Andrew Clunies-Ross. > > > > > > (The Kolisko's grandson) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > >
Re: Fw: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive
- Original Message - From: "Teresa Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive > > >From: "James D. Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "James D. Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Teresa Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Fw: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive > >Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:24:52 -0400 > > > >Sorry, but I cannot put this book on the internet. > > > >JDS > > > >- Original Message - > >Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:58 PM > >Subject: Re: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Stewart, > > > > > > Thank you very much for your enquiry. > > > > > > I am currently in the process of preparing a re-print of Agriculture of > > > Towmorrow and DO NOT think that it would be in our best interests to > >make > > > this book available on the internet at this time. > > > > > > You are welcome to make a link to my web-page where availabulty of the > >book > > > will be posted just as soon as it is reprinted. www.talbot-2.demon.co.uk > > > > > > Thank you very mucyh for your interest. > > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely > > > > > > > > > Andrew Clunies-Ross. > > > > > > (The Kolisko's grandson) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > >
Re: Taking Another Step
In a message dated 8/18/02 11:40:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I have a big pot with moss in it, but SStorch's message just informed me for the first time that I should have wet the moss. I've probably killed everything because it's really arid here in August even in my root cellar. >> Hey Merla, don't panic...take the preps out in their storage pots and wet the peaat moss down, you may have to do this in a cement mixing type tray. You can stir some water like stirring 500 to enliven it and wet the preps down again and restore in peat...sstorch
Re: Taking another step.
dear patti, you have a wonderful resource there, with christy and hugh and jeff poppen in your backyard. i've always been a gardener, not a farmer.we first heard about biodynamics from an article in mother earth news , and a visit to kerry sullivans csa in kimperton pa, was enough to convince me it was the path to follow. sstorch's advice i would ditto. spend as much time looking at the sky as digging in the dirt!:)sharon - Original Message - From: "Gil Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Taking another step. > Hi! Patti, > Could I suggest you subscribe to Acres USA. Over time it will cover every > subject you can think about. Go to and you will find the > offer of a free copy and how to subscribe. Ask for a book catalogue and you > will find a treasure house of information. > > For starters, I suggest two books by Hugh Lovel on this list. His "A > Biodynamic Farm" is available from Acres USA and for the other, > "Agricultural Renewal", contact Hugh, possibly through his Web Site. > > I wish you well and if there are some non site specific questions, feel free > to fire them at me off line. > > > Gil > Port Lincoln, Australia > > Patti Berg wrote: > > > I have just graduated from being a back yard gardener on my little one > > acre plot of land to something way over my head. I am in the process of > > purchasing 11.5 acres of land in Kentucky (currently growing alfalfa) > > and feel overwhelmed for the moment as to where to start in turning this > > land into a sustainable farm. For the last five years I've toyed with > > the idea of having an organic farm and now that I've come this far I'm > > not quite sure where to start to achieve a sustainable farm this size > > but I do so want to learn. Are there any organic farmers on this list > > from south central Kentucky? > > > > I've been reading books by Gene Logsdon and Eliot Coleman but most of > > this stuff I've never tried. One thing I've learned from my garden is > > that plants don't always turn out the same way you read about them. > > Although I've had a very successful garden here in Georgia I couldn't > > tell you why. Has anyone ever written a book called Organic Farming for > > Dummies? > > > > I've been the posts on this list but you all are way over my head. I > > learn best from hands on experience. Is there a first step to learn > > about biodynamics? Could anyone tell me how you got started? > > > > Patti. > > >
Re: Help with 508
If it is equisetum tea and its been two weeks it must be done. I would use it and prepare another batch. If it is so hot it may have bypassed the fermentation point with the odour you seek. Do another and pay closer attention...sstorch
Re: Help with 508
allen , on 508, i simmer the horsetail in rainwater as to jpi's instuctions for 20 minutes ,then put it in glass gallon jugs with the horsetail in it , store it behind the woodstove in the kitchen.,for 6 weeks . when opened it smells like rotten eggs , a sulfur smell that even permeates into the water when you spray it. i made the mistake in the past of forgetting to put the leaves into the jugwith the simmered tea and got the same oat straw results . you will definately know the smell, when you've got it. hope this helps. :)sharon - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: Help with 508 > I've been working with a batch of equisetum tea of the past two weeks. > > I made it with a unit of 508 simmered in 1 gal of water per H.C.'s directions. > > I've stored the resultant tea in a clean heritage 5 gal crock in the > back of our seed shed, where it's out of the sun and the temp stays > relatively cool, even in our 100+ weather. > > I'm waiting for the 'characteristic' smell before making a D4 > solution for storage. > > I'm not getting the 'characteristic' smell, which H.C. says is a > 'just awful' odor. Instead, my tea has gone from smelling like oat > straw tea to smelling like little or nothing. > > It's been two weeks. > > Anyone else have a 'problem' like this? > > To be frank, 508 has never 'gotten stinky' for me and I've always > thought that the straw smell was the 'characteristic' smell. > > Help! > > Thanks > > Allan > > >
Re: Taking Another Step
Hi Patty, I was too much of a neophyte too when I first came on BD Now. What I did was save all the emails to categories on disks and when I learned what they were talking about, I reread my disks and understood a lot more. I'm doing this now with Compost Teas list/serve. Many of the people are professional. They design compost tea makers or they have a business with golf courses and large acreages. The compost tea makers are huge and expensive and mechanical designers really need to share technical data. I wanted to share my little knowledge of making compost tea in our "Why Organic?" fairbooth this coming week and was not succeeding in borrowing a small professional teamaker because of logistics. Finally after my umpteenth email, the Webmaster, Jeff, sent me a link for beginners that told how to rig a simple aerator on a 5 gallon bucket. I could do this! The terra cotta pots and wet peat moss are for storing little tiny ziplocks of Bio-Dynamic preparations. It is most important to keep the organisms in the prep alive. I have a big pot with moss in it, but SStorch's message just informed me for the first time that I should have wet the moss. I've probably killed everything because it's really arid here in August even in my root cellar. Just hang in and enjoy all these people from all over the world. Best, Merla Patti Berg wrote: > I have just graduated from being a back yard gardener on my little one > > acre plot of land to something way over my head. I am in the process > of > purchasing 11.5 acres of land in Kentucky (currently growing alfalfa) > and feel overwhelmed for the moment as to where to start in turning > this > land into a sustainable farm. For the last five years I've toyed with > > the idea of having an organic farm and now that I've come this far > I'm > not quite sure where to start to achieve a sustainable farm this size > but I do so want to learn. Are there any organic farmers on this list > > from south central Kentucky? > > I've been reading books by Gene Logsdon and Eliot Coleman but most of > this stuff I've never tried. One thing I've learned from my garden is > > that plants don't always turn out the same way you read about them. > Although I've had a very successful garden here in Georgia I couldn't > tell you why. Has anyone ever written a book called Organic Farming > for > Dummies? > > I've been the posts on this list but you all are way over my head. I > learn best from hands on experience. Is there a first step to learn > about biodynamics? Could anyone tell me how you got started? > > Patti.
Fwd: Fw: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive
>From: "James D. Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "James D. Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Teresa Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Fw: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive >Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:24:52 -0400 > >Sorry, but I cannot put this book on the internet. > >JDS > >- Original Message - >Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:58 PM >Subject: Re: Agriculture of Tomorrow and the Rudolf Steiner Archive > > > > Dear Mr. Stewart, > > > > Thank you very much for your enquiry. > > > > I am currently in the process of preparing a re-print of Agriculture of > > Towmorrow and DO NOT think that it would be in our best interests to >make > > this book available on the internet at this time. > > > > You are welcome to make a link to my web-page where availabulty of the >book > > will be posted just as soon as it is reprinted. www.talbot-2.demon.co.uk > > > > Thank you very mucyh for your interest. > > > > > > Yours sincerely > > > > > > Andrew Clunies-Ross. > > > > (The Kolisko's grandson) > > > > > > > > > > _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Help with 508
I've been working with a batch of equisetum tea of the past two weeks. I made it with a unit of 508 simmered in 1 gal of water per H.C.'s directions. I've stored the resultant tea in a clean heritage 5 gal crock in the back of our seed shed, where it's out of the sun and the temp stays relatively cool, even in our 100+ weather. I'm waiting for the 'characteristic' smell before making a D4 solution for storage. I'm not getting the 'characteristic' smell, which H.C. says is a 'just awful' odor. Instead, my tea has gone from smelling like oat straw tea to smelling like little or nothing. It's been two weeks. Anyone else have a 'problem' like this? To be frank, 508 has never 'gotten stinky' for me and I've always thought that the straw smell was the 'characteristic' smell. Help! Thanks Allan
