Re: CEC
- Original Message - From: Jose Luiz M Garcia Hi Liz : Jose Im trying to get my head around CEC, if you add Ca2+, Mg2+, Na+, K+, you get the CEC. The remainder is what, hydrogen? Is this assumed, what about aluminium? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. - The CEC is calculated taking into consideration the bases mentioned above plus Hydrogen and Aluminum which constitutes the acidity part of the CEC. I guess I am being picky on this but - exchangeable aluminium is a result of excess acidity brought about by too much hydrogen in the soil solution (for whatever reason). What Jose has said is not wrong but I think we should see this as a chain of events - the end result of which is an acid, aluminium toxic, low organic matter soil, the pH of which will be somewhere under 4.5 in calcium chloride solution test. Available aluminium will increase rapidly from 1 to 5% CEC at 4.5 pH to probably 15 to 25% CEC at pH 4.2 to probably in excess of 40%CEC at 4pH, add enough time and a moderate rainfall and we end up with a washed out sand with a layer of bauxite (aluminium ore) underneath as we find in Western Australia. (probably some other chemistry involved in this last bit) First comes the run down in base exchange (depleted calcium usually) and organic matter. Accompanied by increasing acidity (hydrogen) Then comes excess aluminium increasing eventually to toxic levels. Plant available aluminium is not a problem so long as we keep the soil pH up above that 4.5pH (calcium chloride) level! Lloyd Charles Some micro nutrients like Fe, Mn, Zn and Cu also should be considered but their quantity is so small as compared to the others that thay are not generally considered in the CEC jose
Re: The Perils of BSE
499 places were left for the Weleda Pharmaceutical remedies. The Biodynamic remedies therefore began at 500. It was otherwise called horn manure. There is no substitute for a bovine horn. It is the only living receptacle that has a direct link to the Sun, They are worth their weight in gold. If they get really hard to find then we will have to potentise, that makes each portion go thousands times further. and when that runs out we will be left with the Malcolm Rae cards. We need to keep the horned breeds going. Healthy well fed and cared for cows will more than likely resist B.S.E. anyway. Regards. Peter. - Original Message - From: Rex Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: RE: The Perils of BSE I thought 1-499 were homeopathic remedies and then came 500 whats next I wonder rex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Pye Sent: 30 August 2002 08:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Perils of BSE
Re: Wood chips and tellurian biology
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/30/02 8:37:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as I'm concern the underlying philosophy of this research would certainly have its place in the biodynamic forestry paradigm (-something in development...if you want to participate, please let me know, I'm in the process of building a research program) . . . . I have always noticed the way the fungus will grow in a pile of wood chips. It is very interesting that the oak [and other hard woods?] will promote the proper fungus in the farm soils. This is very good information. . . . . . Not just in wood chips :) Something I used to do as a woodworker when I could afford it was buy a pack of timber and leave it outside, uncovered, for up to six months. The planks in packs (or slings as they are sometimes called) are strapped tightly together when they leave the mill but as they season they shrink and exude all sorts of stuff. Atmospheric conditions (rain, dew, heat) combine with the exudate to produce wonderful colours and tonings - and fungus and organisms of all descriptions. Of course I always scraped the fungus off! But I wonder if timber in that fungal condition was chipped and then spread on the ground, whether it would accelerate the recovery process? As though the process was being given a head start, as it were. One reason I mention this is that only 30% (on average) of raw timber entering a mill comes out as a finished product, so to speak. The rest is classified as wood waste - sawdust, shreds etc, and timber which has been cut over or under specification. Often a mill is only too happy to get rid of planking like this, particularly when it's been sitting around for some time. roger
Re: The Perils of BSE
In a message dated 9/1/02 5:54:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We need to keep the horned breeds going. Healthy well fed and cared for cows will more than likely resist B.S.E. anyway. Regards. You have to wonder...these powers that be...the money hungry folks, do they know about the power of biodyn? Is this part of an intentional scheme to remove power from our hands for us to survive and be independent of their food supply? If bse gets out of hand will they be able to swoop in and irradicate cattle at will, at their own discretion with govern-meant as their pawn? You have to wonder how things will play out. I get bulk tractor trailer deliveries a few times a year of rock dust. The truckers always ask what this stuff is for so we talk a bit about organics. All of them, without exception have been to the rendering plants picking up this cooked ground chicken-beef-hog-??? dust that they pelitize into dog/cat food and have delivered it to dairies...it won't be long. Very interesting, a couple of months ago Medi-Care decided to include the care and treatment of Alzheimer's Disease...SStorch
Re: The Perils of BSE
Healthy well fed and cared for cows will more than likely resist B.S.E. anyway. What do we do? Listen to the media with both ears and people within our own movement with one ear? As far as I'm concerned, Mark Purdey has established that Mad Cow and related diseases are the result of 'chemical' exposures to populations of mammals that are already experiencing a certain of malnutrition. ACRES USA, no piker in the realm of wholistic animal health, has awarded Mark its lifetime achievement award for his work and out of appreication for the personal sacrifice he has suffered to continue unraveling this mystery. I do agree with Steve: we can count on the overlording culture to make every attmpt they can to remove us from Nature. And I do agree that any biodynamic business plan that relies on fresh horns from mid-western slaughter houses is doomed to failure not too far down the road. -Allan
Re: Field Broadcaster
Title: Re: Field Broadcaster I want to keep rabbits off my property, away from my plants and out of my life...how do I make contact - Original Message - From: Moen Creek To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Gil,You must be back in the loop!Now to the situation in question.IMO and experience a field broadcaster's pattern takes considerable time to establish itself.I perceive a "kite" or a series of Kites to be a more substantial approach.Possibly design one that spins, using a wind turbine (?) to drive it, from the center of site. The vortex should give it some oomph! Roger is also bringing important information that is seeming being overlooked.(the one that made me ill) What is this, his dis-ease at the site. Sound like the dis-ease is being shared by the plantings.In Love and LightMarkess From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:34:04 +0930To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Hi! Lloyd/ Roger,I have the Base 44 Rates for five different rabbit deterring broadcasts.I can make phials of pillules of any or all...They are: To make unattractive to rabbits.To prevent rabbits breading in...To prevent rabbits over wintering in To prevent rabbits crossing the boundary of .To keep free of rabbits.To make them I need the details of the piece of land, as that is part of makingthem and I understand they are not transferable, but only work for the statedland.Gil
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru
Moen Creek wrote: >but what do the multi-national corporations care. They will be able to buy "clean" food. What do corporations eat? People. Patti.
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, SaysBritishGuru
Moen Creek wrote: but what do the multi-national corporations care. They will be able to buy clean food. What do corporations eat? People. Patti. To stealthily make all people vulnerable to them in the very future, they devour the traditional relationships between people and between people and the world around them, relationships that have sustained human cultures for eons. Gone or going are the traditional relationship between person and family of birth, person and teacher, person and physician, person and strangers, person and friends, person and the opposite sex, person and life mate, person and food, person and nutrition, person and personal property, person and public property, person and livelihood, and on and on. In the end we will all stand exposed, with nothing but the corporate teet to turn to for the support of our lives...or die young, a scenario that works well for the corporations. Many of these devoured relationships, relationships where traditionally we have found support for our human being, are consumed as we cheer in happiness for the convenience that has been brought to us in exchange.
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, SaysBritishGuru
Allan Balliett wrote: To stealthily make all people vulnerable to them in the very future, they devour the traditional relationships between people and between people and the world around them, relationships that have sustained human cultures for eons. Gone or going are the traditional relationship between person and family of birth, person and teacher, person and physician, person and strangers, person and friends, person and the opposite sex, person and life mate, person and food, person and nutrition, person and personal property, person and public property, person and livelihood, and on and on. In the end we will all stand exposed, with nothing but the corporate teet to turn to for the support of our lives...or die young, a scenario that works well for the corporations. Many of these devoured relationships, relationships where traditionally we have found support for our human being, are consumed as we cheer in happiness for the convenience that has been brought to us in exchange. Continue to be a voice in the wilderness. Just think. Noah endured for 120 years while he built the ark. The people finally realized he wasn't nuts when the rain began to fall from the sky. However, there were eight people who entered the ark. Patti.
Re: The Perils of BSE
Title: Re: The Perils of BSE From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Perils of BSE Well said ALLAN!! As far as I'm concerned, Mark Purdey has established that Mad Cow and related diseases are the result of 'chemical' exposures to populations of mammals that are already experiencing a certain of malnutrition. ACRES USA, no piker in the realm of wholistic animal health, has awarded Mark its lifetime achievement award for his work and out of appreciation for the personal sacrifice he has suffered to continue unraveling this mystery. esp: What do we do? Listen to the media with both ears and people within our own movement with one ear? A it is so interesting how the phase doctors say still has any cache with the public and yet. On the CWD front here in WI the Media continues to garner praise from my ego (sic) in that three major interviews this past week. Nation CBS fed is to come this week as are the folks from NHK the Japanese Public TV. More to other points you raised Allan And I do agree that any biodynamic business plan that relies on fresh horns from mid-western slaughter houses is doomed to failure not too far down the road. The USDA (US department of Ag) is locking horns with our state Legislature over not accrediting private labs to do CWD testing for fear that a bovine sample will get slipped in and tested! Why did McDO change their burger scorcing to Brazil and AU? L*L Markess
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable,SaysBritishGuru
Continue to be a voice in the wilderness. Just think. Noah endured for 120 years while he built the ark. The people finally realized he wasn't nuts when the rain began to fall from the sky. However, there were eight people who entered the ark. Dear Patti - It's incumbent upon me to save more of my brothers and sisters than Noah did. How do people work together for a better world? The only way that a strong labor union was developed in this country in the 30's was through the self-reliance of the family farm and the extended support of extended families. Workers could walk out of the factory if they knew the folks on the ouside of the town were producing enough bounty to feed them through the hard times brought on by striking. That sort of resource for supporting altruism is no long available to most of us and many in this country are only one or two paychecks from living on the sidewalk. Ooops, I left off the relationship with church, the one that is being gobbled up right now through media-induced cynacism about the altruism of clergy.
Re: Field Broadcaster
- Original Message - From: Louise Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Re: Field BroadcasterI want to keep rabbits off my property, away from my plants and out of my life...how do I make contact Hi Louise I have made some field broadcasters for people - but have not tried them on rabbits yet. Where are you and what size area are you looking to protect? Lloyd Charles
Lobsters and caviar
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002391624,00.html Lobsters, caviar and brandy for MPs at summit on starvation By NEIL SYSON THE sickening champagne and caviar lifestyle being enjoyed by Earth Summit delegates was exposed yesterday. They are gorging on mountains of lobster, oysters and fillet steak at the Johannesburg conference aimed at ending FAMINE. As the summit began yesterday, desperate kids in nearby shanty towns queued for water at standpipes. Bigwig politicians among the 60,000 delegates, including Deputy PM John Prescott, also get vintage bubbly and brandy. Taxpayers are footing the £500,000 bill for the 70-strong British party. Friends of the Earth called the extravagance deplorable. The head chef of the swanky hotel hosting Earth Summit bigwigs described the mountains of posh food he is laying on for their pleasure. And Desmond Morgan declared: Money is no object. The chef is in charge of meals at Johannesburgs five-star Michelangelo Hotel, where world leaders and other VIP delegates are staying during the save the planet conference, which opened yesterday. While people are going hungry at shanty towns just a couple of miles away, Mr Morgan told how he had stocked up with an extraordinary array of delicacies and fine wines. It includes 5,000 oysters, more than 1,000lbs of lobster and other shellfish, buckets of caviar and piles of pâté de foie gras. He has also got in more than 4,400lbs of fillet steak and chicken breasts, 450lbs of salmon, 220lbs of a tasty South African fish called kingclip and more than 1,000lbs of bacon and sausages. The huge bill is paid for by taxpayers of participating nations including Britain. Mr Morgan said: Whether they want Beluga caviar, foie gras or bacon sandwiches we have it all. In my experience, heads of state dont decide what they want to eat or drink until the last minute. So I have to make sure I have everything they can possibly want. Vintage champagne, fine wines, spirits and liqueurs have been flown in from around the globe so the VIPs can wash down their meals in style. A new kitchen has been especially created for world leaders, including the Sultan of Brunei, who have their own cooks and tasters. The £35million summit aimed at combating hunger, poverty and pollution is centred around Sandton, the most exclusive suburb in Africa. Its streets are lined with expensive restaurants, gated villas and gleaming shopping malls. Yet close by, families scratch a desperate existence in the sprawling shanty town of Alexandra. They live in corrugated shacks. Hungry children play among piles of rubbish and queue for water at standpipes. The average weekly wage for the few who work in the township is less than the cost of a vintage brandy at the Michelangelo. Aid agencies say southern Africa is facing its worst food crisis for more than a decade. More than 14million people most of them children are threatened with starvation. The 60,000 summit delegates from 182 countries are expected to drink 80,000 bottles of mineral water during the conference. Yet each day 6,000 African children die from diseases caused by contaminated water. Since the last Earth Summit in Brazil in 1992, the number of Africans living in poverty has soared from 220million to 300million. Several other environmental issues will be discussed at the
Kirschenmann at IFOAM
I had the opportunity to go to the 2002 International Federation of Organic Movements (IFOAM) Conference and general assembly. It was the 30 year anniversary and was attended by 1,300 people from 93 countries. There was so much to hear and see Im remembering more each day, Im sure much will be lost...however, something thats still clear is the address given by Fred Kirschenmann. Ill write the way I interpreted paraphrased and some direct quotes (but not exact Im sure) Perry Building Communities from the Ground Up Fred Kirschenmann This conference is the first time IFOAM has used the term "Community" as a way in describing itself. The history of organic agriculture began in the 1840s when Justus von Liebig gave us the ability to ignore the "Rule of Return". Rule of return being, everything that comes from the soil must return to the soil. Ignoring this rule began the industrialization of agriculture. And at this point the organic movement began . Some folks knew instinctively that abandoning this rule was not the way to go. So, the history of the Organic Movement grew out of a philosophy that we should use Nature as the Mentor, Teacher, and Measurer. More recently came the Organic Industry (last 25 years of the 20th century), which is based in selling product and staying within the confines in a set of rules. Now, we have tension between these two sectors. This is why it is important to move to the next level the Organic Community. So, what do we do we want to be? Where should we direct our energy? Do we protect our Values and beliefs and stay a movement? Do we push for bigger sales and making Organic the predominant food source and stay an industry? Or do we develop relationships and become a community? OR Do we do all three? Each of these groups has its differences, but one thing common to each is we are all members of the Biotic Community. Community is from the Latin word Communis, which means in common. So, what do these groups have in common? We share this "Biotic Community", we all participate in the same web of life, that makes it possible to survive on the planet. Better yet, we are interested in creating a new Food Culture. We dont want to become just another industry that brings food to the table, with the same food chain and distribution systems. Were talking about a different way of treating farmers a different way of bringing food from the soil to the table and back to the soil in a way that not only benefits the human community, but benefits all of the Web of Life of which we are part. What will need to happen in order for us to build this community? We will need to make (at least) 8 fundamental changes in the way we participate. Relationship to nature will change. We will move from Conquer to plain Citizen. We wont conquer nature, but become a part of it. Move from control management to adaptive management. Therapeutic intervention does not work. (i.e.) I have a problem pest, how do I get ride of it? This thinking is flawed, we should be asking Why is a pest a pest? And, What am I doing wrong that makes this pest a pest? We should also realize that we are not preservationists of the environment. Our biotic community is constantly changing, and if it did not change, there would be no environment. SO, from microbes up, we are all changing our environment to meet our specific needs, and in doing so we are destroying a part of the environment. We can not preserve the environment, but we can be fellow modifiers, in a way that respects the Biotic Community. Take Responsibility for the health of the land. Anything we do must contribute to the health of the Biotic Community. Concept of Science will Change. We must change from science that creates technological innovations to solve human problems to Science that has a Conversation with Nature. Science needs to be a question put to Nature. Got a problem? What does Nature have to say about your solution? How will it respond? What will happen to the entire Biotic Community when you introduce this technology? And, we must wait to hear the answer, BEFORE we introduce the technology in a widespread manner!!! Concept of an Organic Farm will Change. Change from an "Enclave of Purity" to a "Habitat within an Ecosystem". We may think of our organic farms as being pure within our land borders, but nature has no walls. We need the Biotic Community outside our borders as much, if not more, than we need the Biotic Community within our walls. Facilitating Sustainable Agriculture Roling, Wagemakers "Ecologically sound agriculture requires change, not only at the farm gate level, but also at the higher Agro-Ecosystem level such as Watershed, biotopes, and landscapes. Not only at the level of farm households, but at the level of institutions in which it is embedded." We must think of our organic communities beyond the
Re: Kirschenmann at IFOAM
Building Communities from the Ground Up Fred Kirschenmann Thanks so much for posting this, Perry. This weekend I heard Wes Jackson say that in mans evolution there was the age of the temples and then the age of the nation state and now the age of economics but in order to survive we have no choice but to enter the Age of Ecology. He feels that once 'we' have groked the full meaning and necessity of working with nature suce and 'age' will be inevitable. (Oh, I heard Wes on a ECO FARM tape from 1996) -Allan
Re: Field Broadcaster
Title: Re: Field Broadcaster Louise, Several rabbits weree romping and eating my plants earlier in the season.However, we have not seen them for a while. I suspect a predator has made a meal of them. When we thought our vegetable garden was safe, a groundhog took the rabbits' place in spite of an electric fence.(Incidentally, the fence couldn't keep the rabbits away. Theydidn't seem to get shocked.)Someone told me groundhogs will move away if one pours or aims urine into the hole they go through. Too late now for the squashes which have all been eaten. This pest story truly happened an hour ago. We have a grape vine against the house on ametal arbor. The arbor is a bit awkward to net. My son came to tell me there's a raccoon on the arbor. I didn't believe him, so we got a flashlight and true enough, it was perched eating bunches of grapes and unmoved by four people shooing him off. My husband got the hose and directed it full blast on him. He scampered above the trellis to the stucco just below the gables, trying to run sideways as the waterfollowed him. Suddenly there was a big thump on the cement and away he ran. Now I know who has beeneating my grapes. He must have found theSwenson Red grapestasty even before they are ripe. I can continue with my deer troubles... Today, I started making the kites as per Gil's instructions (see the archives, January 21, 2002). I made two pairs of cedar crosses (half-jointed and dimensions from Gil) that will form the framework for the kites. I actually enjoyed making them. Tomorrow I will be winding the copper wire to form the kites. I hope to finish these before the animals raid the Asian pears. Virginia - Original Message - From: Louise Berry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 4:04 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster I want to keep rabbits off my property, away from my plants and out of my life...how do I make contact - Original Message - From: Moen Creek To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Gil,You must be back in the loop!Now to the situation in question.IMO and experience a field broadcaster's pattern takes considerable time to establish itself.I perceive a "kite" or a series of Kites to be a more substantial approach.Possibly design one that spins, using a wind turbine (?) to drive it, from the center of site. The vortex should give it some oomph! Roger is also bringing important information that is seeming being overlooked.(the one that made me ill) What is this, his dis-ease at the site. Sound like the dis-ease is being shared by the plantings.In Love and LightMarkess From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:34:04 +0930To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Hi! Lloyd/ Roger,I have the Base 44 Rates for five different rabbit deterring broadcasts.I can make phials of pillules of any or all...They are: To make unattractive to rabbits.To prevent rabbits breading in...To prevent rabbits over wintering in To prevent rabbits crossing the boundary of .To keep free of rabbits.To make them I need the details of the piece of land, as that is part of makingthem and I understand they are not transferable, but only work for the statedland.Gil
Re: Wood chips / regeneration
- Original Message - From: Liz Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:56 AM Subject: Wood chips Hi Robin I am interested in reading more about this. I could be way off track here, but can't help but wonder if it may be a solution, or part of, to a large problem we face in Australia. native tree regeneration is having a difficult time, as the trees will not establish in some areas due to the conventional farming that has gone on previously. As you can imagine it is a fairly new problem, which only continues to grow at this point in time. Originally I was thinking that leaf litter,(specific to that region) including twigs were put back into these areas to aid the return of necessary microorganisms, required by native trees. It was my uni that got me going on this topic. Thanks LL Liz Hi Liz Are you open to alternative ideas on tree regeneration? First though we have to get rid of the sheep - all of em and permanently! sheep are number one enemy of regenerating trees so that while ever sheep have access to an area of pasture there will not be any useful growth of new trees. Rabbits are next worse and goats top the list if you want to get rid of trees that are already there. You have probably been heavily influenced by eucalyptus dieback in tableland areas, and I agree it is a serious problem. However just who was it decreed that all trees in the rural landscape must be natives? If you look around these areas you see there are numerous belts / clumps / patches of introduced species that are doing quite ok where the local natives are not up to it anymore. We have to admit that we have seriously modified the ecosystem in these fertile pasture regions, what with improved pasture varieties, higher chemical soil fertility, and a stock carrying capacity often many times that of natural grassland, why do we then persist with the idea that only the local native tree species should be there. When we make a garden we bring in decorative and useful species from all around the world, we modify the environment and change the soil conditions to grow what we want to be there, if we get it right we are blessed with abundant growth of healthy plants and critters large and small. Why not do this on a farm scale? instead of battling with the redundant locals? we have already modified the environment and changed the soil conditions - why not grow trees that are suitable for the new environment ? - if they happen to originate in Europe or North America why is that automatically seen as a problem? Just a few thoughts from an old rebel. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Field Broadcaster
Title: Re: Field Broadcaster the solution has always been to plant enough for the animals, animals come when they need healing and perhaps your greater service to the world is to help them. ? in the world around us , they are being crowded, perhaps their appearance is a message. to help them, not discourage them. I remember having a problem with something eating something in the early years and it really seems tobe a matter of balance, although that is very hard to explain, just that one must plant extra or allow extra for nature and nature will care for you. :)sharon -- --- Original Message - From: Virginia Salares To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Louise, Several rabbits weree romping and eating my plants earlier in the season.However, we have not seen them for a while. I suspect a predator has made a meal of them. When we thought our vegetable garden was safe, a groundhog took the rabbits' place in spite of an electric fence.(Incidentally, the fence couldn't keep the rabbits away. Theydidn't seem to get shocked.)Someone told me groundhogs will move away if one pours or aims urine into the hole they go through. Too late now for the squashes which have all been eaten. This pest story truly happened an hour ago. We have a grape vine against the house on ametal arbor. The arbor is a bit awkward to net. My son came to tell me there's a raccoon on the arbor. I didn't believe him, so we got a flashlight and true enough, it was perched eating bunches of grapes and unmoved by four people shooing him off. My husband got the hose and directed it full blast on him. He scampered above the trellis to the stucco just below the gables, trying to run sideways as the waterfollowed him. Suddenly there was a big thump on the cement and away he ran. Now I know who has beeneating my grapes. He must have found theSwenson Red grapestasty even before they are ripe. I can continue with my deer troubles... Today, I started making the kites as per Gil's instructions (see the archives, January 21, 2002). I made two pairs of cedar crosses (half-jointed and dimensions from Gil) that will form the framework for the kites. I actually enjoyed making them. Tomorrow I will be winding the copper wire to form the kites. I hope to finish these before the animals raid the Asian pears. Virginia - Original Message - From: Louise Berry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 4:04 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster I want to keep rabbits off my property, away from my plants and out of my life...how do I make contact - Original Message - From: Moen Creek To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Gil,You must be back in the loop!Now to the situation in question.IMO and experience a field broadcaster's pattern takes considerable time to establish itself.I perceive a "kite" or a series of Kites to be a more substantial approach.Possibly design one that spins, using a wind turbine (?) to drive it, from the center of site. The vortex should give it some oomph! Roger is also bringing important information that is seeming being overlooked.(the one that made me ill) What is this, his dis-ease at the site. Sound like the dis-ease is being shared by the plantings.In Love and LightMarkess From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:34:04 +0930To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Hi! Lloyd/ Roger,I have the Base 44 Rates for five different rabbit deterring broadcasts.I can make phials of pillules of any or all...They are: To make unattractive to rabbits.To prevent rabbits breading in...To prevent rabbits over wintering in To prevent rabbits crossing the boundary of .To keep free of rabbits.To make them I need the details of the piece of land, as that is part of makingthem and I understand they are not transferable, but only work for the statedland.Gil
planting extra for the animals
Kent's comments make sense at least for some animals. eg. I had friends who always had a few vegies and a couple of fruit trees outside their most outer fence. They let the bears have the fruit from those 2 fruit trees as they never ate the ones inside the property. They didn't have any deer fences but must have left the veggies for the deer, who never bothered the veggies inside. Michael
