Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
- Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq Allan, If I can buy in? From a Down Under perspective, we would see US politics, The Military and the Intelligence Services as all being puppets of the small number of people who command the money in the US and a number of other countries. If there was a will to have Government of the people, by the people voting would be compulsory. I understand that only around a third vote in most elections in the US. That means that the one who is hell bent on taking you, us and many others into a war on behalf of the US oil interests, was supported by something around a sixth of those of voting age. Four sixths can only blame them selves as they did not choose to vote. Gil Thanks Gil, Another down under view. I am very grateful I had the opportunity to visit U.S. and meet some fingers in the soil Americans while I was there. Its quite a different perspective to what one reads in the news papers. Cheers, Peter.
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OT:FW: [globalnews] Bush's Attack on Civil Rights: We Must NOT BeGood Germans
Title: OT:FW: [globalnews] Bush's Attack on Civil Rights: We Must NOT Be Good Germans From: Donald Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: URGENT: Overview of Changes to Legal Rights (in the United tates) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 Alright, all you folks out there who think this concern about our losing our rights is just the whining of extremists. It is hard to believe that there are any such folks given what we see happening every day but sad to say there are. So here is an article on this very subject from the ASSOCIATED PRESS! It is not from some obscure independent source. It is from the mainstream media! There is no room to doubt that we have lost essential rights. The Constitution is being openly violated. Our Bill of Rights has been decimated. We are in the exact same position as the good Germans were during the 30's. It was clear that Hitler was destroying their rights but they did nothing. Had they resisted earlier, they could have stopped Hitler's coup. The good Germans far outnumbered the NAZIS just as the good Americans far out number these sick folks who are trying to take over our country! Ahh, you are against terrorism and support the government in its war against terrorists? Great. But you must know that YOU can be considered a terrorist and if you are you don't have a prayer of getting out of it. They will just pack you away without anyone knowing what happened to you and that will be it. Cmon. This is not a war against anyone but us. It is all about getting control over the American people. It should be clear as a bell to everyone at this point. If we wait much longer it will be too late to resist. So what do you think? Change the channel to another game or get up and do something? Your choice. And your children and grand children's lives will be immensely affected one way or the other. Don Stacey It will help if you send this message on to as many people as you can. Americans have to wake up before it is too late. --- From: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-legal-rights-gla nce0905sep05.story Overview of Changes to Legal Rights By The Associated Press September 5, 2002 Some of the fundamental changes to Americans' legal rights by the Bush administration and the USA Patriot Act following the terror attacks: * FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation. * FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests. * FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation. * RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes. * FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation. * RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial. * RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them. See also: Rage, Rage, Against the Dying Light -- Civil Liberties Since September 11th http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.10A.jvb.rage.htm -- Be the change you want to see in the world. --Gandhi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=233351.2287381.3722242.2225242/D=egroupweb/S=1705060682:HM/A=1212975/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/grp/300_mapG/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- End of Forwarded Message
OT: some free considerations [was RE: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq]
There are two kinds of people, those who do the work and those who take the credit. Try to be in the first group; there is less competition there. -- Indira Gandhi ... and so it has been since the beginning of the Dark Age, the clever ones taking credit for the work done by others, feeding on it and at the same destroying by the pollution they cause, by the wars they start, etc... ...and so the lamb (the innocents : the women, the older ones, the children, the poors, the disabled, etc...) has since then been sacrificed. You say these *might* be hard words ? But how much harder is the so called reality in which we are held by those whose only wish is that *it* should continue so they might remain in place, that is on top of poverty and misery of others and might even better than escape that for themselves, have certainly a profit and a benefit out it. They aim at the thrill of power to feed their ego. Money is just a mean for making that possible in the world. Lucifer seeks to bloat up his own prestige and Arhimane his own desires. Fur that purpose they seek representation on the material plane. They will let anyone partake to their evil plans for as long as one signs the pact with his own blood (read his own life). Hey what do you think ? They are not kidding. In this strongly hierarchized structure based on *force* and obligation, power is given in abundance to all plus the extra's (money, fulfillement of desires, etc...). Of course all of these things are taken from others but they are only the presents and the means by which *members* are attracted. The *real* purpose is to spread evil, material desires, fear and all other negative emotions that evil beings are feeding upon. It bloats their ego and fulfills their never ending desires for power. Even though such occult organizations exist, their members are just puppets in the same way as all their victims (high positionned politicians, members of powerful world organizations such as banks, and so on...) are. Just puppets ! Puppets do not necessarily have to partake consciously to such an organization. There are countless puppets (victims) that can be very easily *used* through magical powers that members automatically achieve as a reward for their obeissances. They can be remotly guided in order to pump money out of a bank account (eventually the papers will report a fraud but the money can't be found) or be sacrificed (the papers will report on an accident such as a mysterious heart attack). A power behind the power ? The question that some people ask themselves : are there actually beings behind the evil doings of certain people ? Why do you think it's all so mysterious while the facts (the outcomes) are so evident ? There is lack of balance everywhere, fear and terror, illness and death but we wouldn't be able to see where it does come from ? It's because each and everyone who isn't watchfull of his own inner states, isn't able to discriminate between what is good and wrong for himself and thus not yet able to liberate himself from the mental plane partakes to ignorance of one's own reality and true nature and thus to the propagation of wrong doings. Each and everyone is a relay and when there is a need to find one responsible there is never be (a real) one to be found around !. Look at the opposite side (the spiritual one). There we observe the evidence of the wisdom there is in Nature, how marvellous it has evolved to provide for food and shelter for ALL. We (at least in the BD community) are keen to belief at the elementals behind all those forces in Nature. The spiritual hierarchy is based one based on *freedom*. One freely gives his own life at the service of those who are in need. It has a representation at the material plane as well. I identify numerous spiritual beings that have incarnated on earth and have been present at our sides even much more so today. None of the dark counterparts need publicity. As Hugh said it well evil works best from behind the curtain. They saturate the surroundings of the earth with poisonous thoughts and these have tremendous powers. See around yourself. Most people can't escape because they have not the energy. It pervades all living and sentient beings thus our food gets of course contaminated. While we feed on that food we actually loose our energy and physical health. Then it pervades the mental and emotional layers as well ... but you know all that. This battle in the world is actually not ours. Our battlefield is in our heart. Will we discover the hidden forces that maintain us in the ignorance of our true nature and keep us in an ego driven life ? Yes we will, because there is enough divinity in us to bring us back home. May we all discover our truth within and forget about the world outside. We can't find peace within and expose ourselves to the fear and agitation outside. So let us pray (for example) : Loka Samastha Sukhino Bavanthu Let All Be Happy in All Worlds == is the perfect
FW: pray on 9-11
Prayer for a United World By Paramahansa Yogananda May the heads of all countries and races be guided to understand that men of all nations are physically and spiritually one: physically one, because we are the descendants of common parents — the symbolic Adam and Eve; and spiritually one, because we are the immortal children of our Father, bound by eternal links of brotherhood.Let us pray in our hearts for a League of Souls and a United World. Though we may seem divided by race, creed, color, class, and political prejudices, still, as children of the one God we are able in our souls to feel brotherhood and world unity. May we work for the creation of a United World in which every nation will be a useful part, guided by God through man’s enlightened conscience. In our hearts we can all learn to be free from hate and selfishness. Let us pray for harmony among the nations, that they march hand in hand through the gate of a fair new civilization. Prayer for others is one of the highest services we can offer to the world. We invite you to join in spirit the monks and nuns of Self-Realization Fellowship on Wednesday, September 11 at the noon hour (Pacific Daylight Time) as we pray for world peace and for all those who have been affected by the tragedy of 9/11. Even if you could only spend one or two minutes in silent prayer at noon, this would be of tremendous benefit to all. Paramahansa Yogananda has said, "Most men consider the course of events as natural and inevitable. They little know what radical changes are possible through prayer." Sitemap | Home
Re: a 9-11 reminder...
Title: Re: a 9-11 reminder... Whoohooo! exactly RIGHT-ON! In Love Light Markess For the Michael Age We must eradicate from the soul All fear and terror of what comes towards Man Out of the future And we must acquire serenity In all feelings and sensations about the future We must look forward With absolute equanimity to everything that may come And we must think only that whatever comes Is given to us by a world directive full of wisdom It is part of what we must learn in this age, Namely to live out of pure trust Without any security in existence. Trust in that ever present help of the spiritual world. Truly, nothing else will do If our courage is not to fail us. And we must seek this awakening within Ourselves Every morning and every evening. Rudolph Steiner, from a lecture given in 1910 --- Thanks Brother!
Re: Good sense and bad habits.
Are dogs not a good deterent for deer?? GA Peter Michael Bacchus wrote: broadcasters ensured good crops and we had the best produce at the market. Isn't it hard to argue with results? We had a lot of deer problems this year. Come to find out I thought we had a deer pepper in the broadcaster but we didn't. So I don't know where we stand there. But our okra was wiped out, half the cukes were eaten, all the beans, even the tomatoes and potatoes were eaten some. They pawed up the potatoes and ate them and decimated the beets once they discovered them. Still we've had a good year so far. 3 more months to go. I'm amazed people would put poison on food. Or gow it with expensive chemicals when no chemicals gets good yields of superior quality. Why? It's amazing. Hi Hugh, Human beings are beings of habit, like animals, Just look how hard it is for a smoker to give up or what an alcoholic has to go through before (s)he sees the light. Warm regards, Peter. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org -- Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books Diagrams See our web site http://get.to/garuda
Re: OT. test message
Hi! Lloyd, I got it. Gil Lloyd Charles wrote: Sorry for the inconvenience to the list. I have been part un connected and need to do this to check out the system LCharles
Re: FW: [globalnews] GM Wheat Portends Disaster for Great Plains
Have you considered raising the issue of insurance on GM Crops? I have a ruling from the Insurance Council of Australia to the effect that GMs are an uninsurable risk and they recommend to their members not to carry the risk. This represents more than 90% of Australian coverage. I think there could be a case for a Court Order against some one subjecting others to an uninsured risk. You need to first get a ruling from the national insurance body, then hit the rural media and see where you can push it. Gil Jane Sherry wrote: GM Wheat Portends Disaster for Great Plains By Kari Lydersen, AlterNet September 9, 2002 Todd Leake has been growing hard red spring wheat at his farm in eastern North Dakota for 25 years. The 1,000 acres he plants with hard red spring wheat represents half his total crop. Like most farmers in the area, more than half his crop is exported for sale in markets in Europe, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and other foreign countries. If Monsanto and other biotech companies succeed in their push to allow genetically modified (called GE, GM or GMO) wheat on the market, Leake is afraid he may see his profits based on decades of work go down the drain. There are a variety of reasons that environmentalists, farmers, health activists, "globophobics" and others oppose the development of GE or GM crops. People fear the control it gives Monsanto and other multinational corporations over farmers' livelihoods. Many worry that the health and environmental effects of genetically modified foods are still unknown, and that they could be harmful to our land and our bodies. Farmers worry about cross-contamination from neighbors' GM crops. Biotech companies marketing GM seeds have the right to enter a farmer's field and test for their seed strains. They can fine farmers thousands of dollars if their crops test positive for genetically modified strains that the farmer didn't purchase, even though crops can easily become contaminated by pollen from a neighbor's field. Farmers are also not allowed to save seeds from year to year as they traditionally have done with non-GM crops. When a farmer plants a crop from GM seeds, he is required to purchase a new batch of seeds each year. Again companies can fine farmers huge amounts for this practice. Brothers Paul and John Mayfield, for example, were recently fined $75,000 by Monsanto for replanting 800 bushels of GM soybean seeds they had saved. But on top of all these concerns, there is an even simpler reason to oppose GM wheat, according to many farmers in the Great Plains, where Monsanto is pushing to introduce genetically modified hard red spring wheat for commercial sale. Regardless of whether the potential negative health and environmental effects are real or imagined, much of the world is certain that it doesn't want GM foods. Very certain. And this fact could only have devastating economic implications for American farmers. The European Union and various countries in Asia have all made it clear that they don't want any genetically modified crops, and they test incoming shipments to make sure they don't get any. Given the frequency and ease of cross-pollination, farmers say, virtually the only way for a country to ensure they are not getting any GM foods is to stop buying them from the U.S. all together. "It's basically impossible to segregate it," said Leake, who is a member of the grassroots farmers group the Dakota Resource Council. "The general consensus is that there will be cross-pollination from neighbors' fields. And it can get contaminated not only in the field, but from the seed stock, from handling the equipment that had GM seeds in it, from mixing in the [grain] elevator." A study quoted in the new book, "Fatal Harvest: The Tragedy of Industrial Agriculture," noted that only 20 percent of grain elevators surveyed in the U.S. have separate facilities for GM and non-GM soybeans. So even if a farmer were to avoid the economic pressure to buy GM wheat and to avoid cross-contamination from neighbors, his crops could still get contaminated in the elevator and test positive for genetic modification once they reach the market. Monsanto spokesman Mark Buckingham said the company has made a commitment to develop technologies to prevent contamination and to make sure farmers continue to have choices about what kind of seeds they buy. "We have committed not to introduce [GM wheat] on the market until we have different varieties to offer, so a farmer who wants Roundup Ready wheat can get it and one who wants traditional wheat can get that," said Buckingham. While Buckingham didn't offer a specific answer to fears about contamination from GM crops, farmers say the risk is very much on their minds. "I believe it's inevitable it would escape," said Sarah Vogel, the former commissioner of agriculture in North Dakota (1989 to 1996) and currently a lawyer in private practice. "It's really a bad idea." Right now GM wheat is being grown in research plots in
War of All against All
In Challenge of the Time (I think it was in 1917) RS talked about the War of All Against All. I belive Bush has really created this scenario. The terrorists are everywhere, in the US, all over the world. Bush said"if you are not with us, you must be against us". As other said before , Mulit-national Corps, Big Business and Bush's ties to those organizations is the real power and problem. It all started with Bush won the election illegall Things could get worse..and sure enough...things got worse!
Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] Bush's Attack on Civil Rights: We Must NOT Be GoodGermans
Title: OT:FW: [globalnews] Bush's Attack on Civil Rights: We Must NOT Be Good Germans Where did I hear of these state/police powers before? Oh yes, living here in South Africa in the 1980s, the height of apartheid paranoia ... Some things never change, it seems, they just move somewhere else. much love christo - Original Message - From: Jane Sherry To: BdNow Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: OT:FW: [globalnews] Bush's Attack on Civil Rights: We Must NOT Be GoodGermans From: "Donald Stacey" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: URGENT: Overview of Changes to Legal Rights (in the United §tates)Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002Alright, all you folks out there who think this concern about our losingour rights is just the whining of extremists. It is hard to believe thatthere are any such folks given what we see happening every day but sad tosay there are.So here is an article on this very subject from the ASSOCIATED PRESS! It isnot from some obscure independent source. It is from the mainstream media!There is no room to doubt that we have lost essential rights. TheConstitution is being openly violated. Our Bill of Rights has beendecimated.We are in the exact same position as the "good Germans" were during the30's. It was clear that Hitler was destroying their rights but they didnothing. Had they resisted earlier, they could have stopped Hitler's coup.The good Germans far outnumbered the NAZIS just as the good Americans farout number these sick folks who are trying to take over our country!Ahh, you are against terrorism and support the government in its waragainst terrorists? Great. But you must know that YOU can be considered aterrorist and if you are you don't have a prayer of getting out of it. Theywill just pack you away without anyone knowing what happened to you andthat will be it. Cmon. This is not a war against anyone but us. It is allabout getting control over the American people. It should be clear as abell to everyone at this point.If we wait much longer it will be too late to resist. So what do you think?Change the channel to another game or get up and do something?Your choice. And your children and grand children's lives will be immenselyaffected one way or the other.Don StaceyIt will help if you send this message on to as many people as you can.Americans have to wake up before it is too late.---From:http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sept-11-legal-rights-glance0905sep05.storyOverview of Changes to Legal RightsBy The Associated PressSeptember 5, 2002Some of the fundamental changes to Americans' legal rights by the Bushadministration and the USA Patriot Act following the terror attacks:* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and politicalinstitutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terrorinvestigation.* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigrationhearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and hasencouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of anyother records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaedinformation related to a terror investigation.* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prisonjailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers toAmericans accused of crimes.* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seizeAmericans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terrorinvestigation.* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americansindefinitely without a trial.* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or beingable to confront witnesses against them.See also:"Rage, Rage, Against the Dying Light" -- Civil Liberties Since September 11thhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.10A.jvb.rage.htm --Be the change you want to see in the world.--GandhiYahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENThttp://rd.yahoo.com/M=233351.2287381.3722242.2225242/D=egroupweb/S=1705060682:HM/A=1212975/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/grp/300_mapG/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ .-- End of Forwarded Message**Scanned by eScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software.Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan.Scanned by eScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software.Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan.**
