Re: Insulin was Re: The Spurious Foundation of Genetic Engineering
- Original Message - From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:44 PM Subject: Insulin was Re: The Spurious Foundation of Genetic Engineering > Allan wrote > Someone also told me that any plant bred by human selection, even if > the normal plant organs are involved is technically a GMO. Thats garbage!! They will use any argument without respect of truth of meaning!! Theres a big difference between selections made WITHIN the normal genetic variation of a species compared to firing stray bits of crap into the DNA chain in a lab! I think we should extend the definition of GMO to include the mental attitude that accompanies this technology. Fr' instance some of the liberty link type canolas are not GMO - having been conventionally bred from field selections that were accidentally tolerant to herbicide - but the system of promoting these as a patented package complete with agronomy advice, seed, herbicide, all on a acreage contract - this is the GMO mentality to the back teeth!!! > > The word I need to look out for is TRANSGENETIC, which refers to > flipping genes in the DNA, sometimes across the species barrier. You dont see the promoters using this one much - it sounds much less friendly! Cheers all Lloyd Charles
Re: Insulin was Re: The Spurious Foundation of Genetic Engineering
Allan- > Someone told me that INSULIN is or is derived from a GMO. Is that true? > The insulin is made, I believe, like the GMO Bt that is stuck in corn. It allows the manufacturer to get a patent and make money off a natural product. > Someone also told me that any plant bred by human selection, even if > the normal plant organs are involved is technically a GMO. > This is the argument university extension agents and high school ag teachers like to make when they aren't in the company of organic farmers, or so they think.They'll tell you spelt--or was it rye?--is GMO. I think it's unlikely that a bacterium would've mated with a grass or a fish with a tomato. People who say GMO's have been around forever are missing the point. > Can someone fill me in, especially on the insulin thing? > I think the insulin thing is arguably a practical matter. Large, identical quantities of insulin can be made in the lab using GE techniques, whereas the old method which I thought involved pig insulin would be much slower. Kind of a toss-up... Insulin from factory-farmed pigs or genetic engineering. Susan
Re: Deer and Elk in compost
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>In a message dated 9/13/02 3:56:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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><< To explain why I said "sure", if cooking at 400 degree
>temperatures doesnt, then composting process at 140 or
>whatever the highest is, won't either.
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>Stacey
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>Yes, but add biological processes performed by too may creatures too count
>attacking the substances from every angle and I doubt there is anything
>left
>in the original form. My compost gets Pfeiffer Compost Starter + BD preps
>+
>an incredibly active compost yard, {energetically and biologically], and
>that
>= Broken down substance that is altered from the original form...SStorch
Altered, yes, but broken down and completely absorbed with all nasties
eliminated, only if you ensure that when the pile is turned, all of the
outside becomes the heart. That is, the heat centre. If the pile is not
turned properly, or not turned a sufficient number of times, there may still
be pathogenic organisms present.
roger
First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you
win. - Mahatma Gandhi
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Re: Offline this weekend
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/q103630.html >From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Offline this weekend >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:46:07 -0400 > >>Roger >> >>First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then >>you win. - Mahatma Gandhi > >Roger - Do you have the reference for the above quote? -Allan First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: Deer and Elk in compost
Hi Stacey, If heat were all that happened in a compost pile, your comment would make sense, but... There is a remarkable process in work in composting. A complex foodweb exists, especially in the cooler range of temperatures, that has a wide range of ability to 'bioremediate' toxins, pathogens and other evil stuff. Vermicomposting has now been accepted by the National Organic Program in the US as a suitable composting method, for example, and in vermicomposting there is no 'hot phase' needed for pathogen destruction (weed seeds are another story). Nonetheless, pathogens are destroyed, by fully microbiological processes. So, whatever the fate of prions in a cooking situation, their fate in a composting situation is much more complex, due to the complex foodweb gauntlet they must run in composting. As I said, I am not aware that this subject has been researched and published upon. But the knowledge that scrapie has been around for centuries, and that humans seem no madder than usual, would indicate that there is something happening in nature to prions that keeps them from simply 'waiting to pounce' upon the next unsuspecting victim. Also, as noted by another poster, it is possible to have various composts with different ingredients. Composted animal products, where there is some doubt, could always be spread in forest systems or other low risk environments, where little human or other animal contact may occur After all, as old Uncle Walt tells us, critters have been living and dying out there for lo, these many years.and here we all still are, eh? Frank Teuton - Original Message - From: "Stacey Elin Rossi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:53 AM Subject: Re: Deer and Elk in compost > To explain why I said "sure", if cooking at 400 degree > temperatures doesnt, then composting process at 140 or > wh atever the highest is, won't either. > > Stacey > > > > < > prions survive the composting process.>> > > > > > > Straight forward ideas don't survive the composting > > on this simple list- > > how can a grain of sand that was once a bit of sugar > > & a few nucleotides? > > > > > > geewiz we'll have to employ Dr Evermore's > > "Forevertron" to handle them! > > Don't drive by Baraboo WI with out an jolt, > > It's wake ja up! > > > > Whoops it' late. > > > > L*L > > Markess >
Re: Deer and Elk in compost
In a message dated 9/13/02 3:56:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< To explain why I said "sure", if cooking at 400 degree
temperatures doesnt, then composting process at 140 or
whatever the highest is, won't either.
Stacey
>>
Yes, but add biological processes performed by too may creatures too count
attacking the substances from every angle and I doubt there is anything left
in the original form. My compost gets Pfeiffer Compost Starter + BD preps +
an incredibly active compost yard, {energetically and biologically], and that
= Broken down substance that is altered from the original form...SStorch
Re: Offline this weekend
>Roger > >First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. >Then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi Roger - Do you have the reference for the above quote? -Allan
Insulin was Re: The Spurious Foundation of Genetic Engineering
Someone told me that INSULIN is or is derived from a GMO. Is that true? Someone also told me that any plant bred by human selection, even if the normal plant organs are involved is technically a GMO. The word I need to look out for is TRANSGENETIC, which refers to flipping genes in the DNA, sometimes across the species barrier. Can someone fill me in, especially on the insulin thing? Thanks -Allan
Re: Deer and Elk in compost
To explain why I said "sure", if cooking at 400 degree temperatures doesnt, then composting process at 140 or whatever the highest is, won't either. Stacey > < prions survive the composting process.>> > > > Straight forward ideas don't survive the composting > on this simple list- > how can a grain of sand that was once a bit of sugar > & a few nucleotides? > > > geewiz we'll have to employ Dr Evermore's > "Forevertron" to handle them! > Don't drive by Baraboo WI with out an jolt, > It's wake ja up! > > Whoops it' late. > > L*L > Markess > > > = @@@ Stacey Elin Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://zip.to/anaserene @@@ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com
