Dan Winter's view of things
If you would like to have a mind bending experience in the outer limits of quantum physics, give this ago. http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/danlove.html Seems to be some legal wrangles over copyrights of esoteric symbols involved in Dans life right now, however amid his astral drama there sure seems to be some conceptual realities he is dealing with which can help conceptualise the Biodynamic reality we are grappling with. There are some CDs about with his plagarised diagrams ( from a Mr Tenen) on them. I would not encourage their dissemination, other than to mention that his 3D graphics are wonderful and worth a look if one passes by your way. Glen A
"Given That"
Allan, you need to elaborate on the "refused entrance to WHAT public building?" And, a couple of other lists I have are mandating NO LURKING rules, maybe for the very same thing. If someone audits a list, that's fine, but they need to post occasionally if nothing more than to say, 'explain more, please', or "WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING?" NO, seriously, don't all the non-chatty folk post that! Allan would personally come to Texas and beat me over the head with a broadcasting treetrunk! ! At least envirolink doesn't claim to 'own' the messages and ideas presented here like YahooGroups does. (Martha)
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Allan - What was that about?? Essie At 09:57 PM 01/08/03 -0500, you wrote: Given that yours truly was recently refused entrance into a public building because a web search revealed that my 'world view does not coincide with ours.'
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Yes I agree Certainly one of my reasons for 'quiter' participation Glen A - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: Personal Security vs National Security > Given that domestic espionage is in the vogue, > > Given that everywhere I go I run into avid readers of BD Now! who > never post to BD Now! because they do not want a permanent GOOGLE > searchable record of their spiritual and agricultural insights > > Given that yours truly was recently refused entrance into a public > building because a web search revealed that my 'world view does not > coincide with ours.' > > And given that so very many people read the archives but never > contribute to the list. (Last time I logged it, the colo archive was > getting 2000+ hits per week) > > It seems to me that it would be best to move into a more 'member > oriented' archive instead of a public archive. > > The major purpose of this list is to speak openly and to share our > experiences in some fairly unusual realms. > > I think everyone is feeling this shyness. I think this holding back > is hurting the list. > > What say, folks? > > -Allan Balliett > moderator, BD Now! >
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Apart from public exposure, what difference would it make? Any costs involved? What changes in mode, etc? And is it feasible, or would it involve too much work organising the change?I guess not, or you wouldn't be suggesting it. Helen Allan Balliett wrote: > Given that domestic espionage is in the vogue, > > Given that everywhere I go I run into avid readers of BD Now! who > never post to BD Now! because they do not want a permanent GOOGLE > searchable record of their spiritual and agricultural insights > > Given that yours truly was recently refused entrance into a public > building because a web search revealed that my 'world view does not > coincide with ours.' > > And given that so very many people read the archives but never > contribute to the list. (Last time I logged it, the colo archive was > getting 2000+ hits per week) > > It seems to me that it would be best to move into a more 'member > oriented' archive instead of a public archive. > > The major purpose of this list is to speak openly and to share our > experiences in some fairly unusual realms. > > I think everyone is feeling this shyness. I think this holding back > is hurting the list. > > What say, folks? > > -Allan Balliett > moderator, BD Now!
BD NOW! Archives was Re: tree topic
Could some one be kind enough to give step by step instruction for accessing the archive? I have never made it. Gil Gil - We have two archives. This first one is the most complete: http://csf.colorado.edu/archive/ The second is by far the easiest to use: http://www.mail-archive.com In either case, go to these urls and then look for the BD Now! archives. Let me know if this doesn't work. Thanks -Allan
Personal Security vs National Security
Given that domestic espionage is in the vogue, Given that everywhere I go I run into avid readers of BD Now! who never post to BD Now! because they do not want a permanent GOOGLE searchable record of their spiritual and agricultural insights Given that yours truly was recently refused entrance into a public building because a web search revealed that my 'world view does not coincide with ours.' And given that so very many people read the archives but never contribute to the list. (Last time I logged it, the colo archive was getting 2000+ hits per week) It seems to me that it would be best to move into a more 'member oriented' archive instead of a public archive. The major purpose of this list is to speak openly and to share our experiences in some fairly unusual realms. I think everyone is feeling this shyness. I think this holding back is hurting the list. What say, folks? -Allan Balliett moderator, BD Now!
where in Texas?
Hugh writes: < I think what you, Jeff, Allan and others, particularly in Hawaii, Texas, the midwest and out on the west coast, have done as regards making BD info available to the public > Are there demo farms in Texas? I know of one or two practitioners, but I was unaware of any teaching facilities. When Peaceable Kingdom was going strong in Brenham, it's (then) director used biodynamic methods to some extent. He has since moved to Dripping Springs may be involved in a similar enterprise there as well? Interesting note, when I went to Fredricksburg (alt energy convention), they had a short seminar on an intro to biodynamics. Two guys had purchased land that once was a military base (cement, hard packed dirt, barren, inhospitable.) In 2 - 3 years, they had turned it around to become one of the more productive farmsteads in the area. They were at the seminar, explaining their techniques. I don't think I ever converted my notes to the computer, but I probably have them around in one of my bookshelves. (must go dig now!)
RE: BD Farming in America
As the snow came fluttering down I thought of snowmen Thats the child in me I was re-born And then recalled Watching Bees in clover GM Pollen mixing with wild corn I looked into the mirror And remembered I was nearly 60 and could see Fancy thinking I'd become a child again Snow though really does strange things to me It flutters with such freedom over everything Nobody escapes Its in our face Children quickly go and find their sledges Then go off sliding all over the place As the snow came fluttering down to-day I wondered What children think as their daddies go to war I am nearly 60 and I'm worried For I'd hoped it wouldn't happen anymore Rex Tyler -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hugh Lovel Sent: 06 January 2003 15:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BD Farming in America Dear Kristy, et. al., I think what you, Jeff, Allan and others, particularly in Hawaii, Texas, the midwest and out on the west coast, have done as regards making BD info available to the public is quite commendable. Also let us not forget the salubrious efforts of Hugh Courtney, without whom we would have little in terms of availability of the Steiner remedies, to say nothing of availability of literature and presence at conferences auch as ACRES. I do not agree that what Alex Podolinsky has done in Australia is any model to copy, as he has run a rigid and even hidebound program where those who venture outside of his box can be excommunicated. But at least he has created a support system for farmers who want to put BD into practice. The BDGFAA (Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association of Australia) arose in response to the need for more openness than Podolinsky allowed, and it wouldn't do to give Podolinsky full credit for their efforts. They have really done a lot--perhaps more than Alex--to spread BD in Australia. Here in the US it has always been my impression--though for a brief period we did have a national extension agent--that there was no real support for farmers from the central organization. If anything there was a cult atmosphere coming from the central offices and I think it discouraged and turned off people right and left. In my own case I have let my membership in the BD Association lapse after 25 years of trying to pull biodynamics forward against the inertia, resistance and cult atmosphere of the central offices. Maybe Greg is being extreme in his criticism, but when Demeter excommunicated him and prohibited Victor Landa from using the term "biodynamic" on any products not certified by Demeter I had my fill of wrongheadedness. I'm calling what I do Quantum Agriculture and I only use the term biodynamic in a transitional way. I don't support the BDA or Demeter in any way at this point. Probably I'm one of those Greg refered to who dropped out because they cannot stomach the dogmatism, obstructionism and cultishness any further. I believe I'm pretty thick skinned or I couldn't have taken it as long as I did. The whole fumble of claiming to be the focus of the CSA movement and then doing nothing--even terminating the CSA conferences--was vexation enough and I should have left then. But there have been enough other blunders, including terminating the national extension program, that I should have identified the BDA as non-viable long ago. As far as I'm concerned they are baggage--excess baggage in my case. I can't see any reason for name calling or getting upset or any of that jazz. I have noticed that I'm reaching a wider audience with field broadcasters by calling my work quantum agriculture instead of BD. I suspect BD has a notorious reputation as being inscrutable, cultish and a big turn-off to many farmers. Really most farmers don't understand quantum mechanics either, but I don't seem to face anything like the rejection of my message by couching it in those terms. My lecture room at ACRES was full this time. I seem to be getting further by leaving BD behind. Does that tell you anything? It's still the same remedies, still the same insights into how nature works, I still talk about Rudolf Steiner and the whole nine yards. I just leave the terminology of biodynamic behind. Quite frankly I think it is just fine that Demeter owns the term. Let them have it. As far as I'm concerned it was a big lead anchor around my waist. Best, Hugh Lovel > >Dear Allan, >We have certainly made ourselves available regionally, and offer advice and >suggestions for numerous growers each year, plus orgainzing educational >events. Jeff Poppen is always also taking in visitors, and holding >educational events, writing and doing the TV shows. Allan, you do a huge >amount of educational work yourself. JPI has its new farmer advisory >program. > >I think we are wishing for an outdated paradigm when we expect to have some >top down organizational figure heads baby us through our movement. This is >the era of the conciousness soul, the age of individuality. What ever is
Re: From Greg Willis: Fwd: Re: Executive Position
nothing >the Anthros have done has moved Steiner's agricultural forward into the >21st Century and nothing they have done has advanced Steiner's remedies >beyond what they were 79 years ago. Everyone else in the farming world >knows this. Why don't they? Greg The BDANZ prides itself on the fact nothing has changed. Thats what they want. To keep it 'pure'. And so be it. Leave them to it. "We" -everyone else- are taking it to the world in appropriate ways. So lets get on with it and leave the Saturnite to their desired path Trees branch and the limb in the light grows faster and becomes dominant. Such is life Glen
FW: [globalnews] [starhawk] Why we Need Women's Actions andFeminist Voices for Peace
Title: FW: [globalnews] [starhawk] Why we Need Women's Actions and Feminist Voices for Peace Why We Need Women’s Actions and Feminist Voices for Peace By Starhawk Among the hundreds of groups and actions being mounted against the war on Iraq are a significant number called and organized by women. Code Pink: Unreasonable Women for Peace has disrupted Congressional hearings and mounted an ongoing women’s peace vigil at the White House since November 17. Women in Black hold vigils in hundreds of communities around the world on a regular basis. Women Rising for Peace and Justice, the women’s caucus of United for Peace, has issued a call for January 17 to be a day of women’s actions against the war. Women are deeply impacted by war, racism and poverty—the three evils named by Martin Luther King. But when we stand for peace as women, it is not to make a case for our special victimhood, but to represent a different vision of strength. Women-initiated and women-led actions have a special energy and power. That power comes not from excluding men—most of these actions welcome men as participants—but because of the joy and visionary potential that arise when we come together as women to defend the values of life and caring that we hold dear. To defend those values, we need not just women’s voices against the war, but specifically feminist voices. For feminism allows us to analyze patriarchy, the constellation of values, ideas and beliefs that reinforces male control over women. No set of qualities is innately or exclusively ‘female’ or ‘male’. Men can be compassionate, loving and kind, as women can be tough, brave, or callous. But patriarchy assigns the qualities associated with aggression and competition to men, and relegates to women the devalued roles of nurturing and service. Patriarchy values the hard over the soft, the tough over the tender; punishment, vengeance and vindictiveness over compassion, negotiation, and reconciliation. The ‘hard’ qualities are identified with power, success and masculinity, and exhalted. The ‘soft’ qualities are identified with weakness, powerlessness, and femininity, and denigrated. Under patriarchy, men are shamed and considered weak if they exhibit qualities associated with women. Politicians win elections by being tough—tough on terror, tough on crime, tough on drugs, tough on welfare mothers. Calls for cooperation, negotiation, compassion or recognition of our mutual interdependence are equated with womanly weakness. In the name of ‘toughness’, the power holders deprive the poor of the means of life, the troubled and the ill of treatment and care, the ordinary citizen of our privacy and civil rights. Force, punishment, and violence are patriarchy’s answer to conflicts and social problems. Patriarchy finds its ultimate expression in war. War is the field in which the tough can prove their toughness and the winners triumph over the losers. Soldiers can be coerced into dying or killing when their fear of being called womanlike or cowardly overrides their reluctance to face or deal death. War removes every argument for tenderness and dissolves all strictures on violence. War is the justification for the clampdown that lets the rulers impose control on every aspect of life. Wise feminists do not claim that women are innately kinder, gentler, more compassionate than men per se. If we did, the Margaret Thatchers and Condoleeza Rice’s of the world would soon prove us wrong. We do claim that patriarchy encourages and rewards behavior that is brutal and stupid. We need raucous, incautious feminist voices to puncture the pomposity, the arrogance, the hypocrisy of the war mongers, to point out that gorilla chest-beating does not constitute diplomacy, that having the world’s largest collection of phallic projectile weapons does not constitute moral authority, that invasion and penetration are not acts of liberation. And we need to remind the world that modern warfare never spares the civilian population. Rape is always a weapon of war, and women’s bodies are used as prizes for the conquerors. Women and children and men, too, who have no say in the policies of their rulers face death, maiming, wounding, and the loss of their homes, livelihoods, and loved ones in a war. Patriarchy is the brother of racism, which sets one group of people above another, dehumanizing and devaluing the ‘other’, who is seen as deserving of punishment, fair game for violence and annihilation. We need feminist voices for peace because the issues of women’s freedom and autonomy are being used cynically to justify anti-Arab racism and military takeovers of Arab countries. The U.S. and its allies, who now pose as the liberators of women in the Muslim world, are the same powers which gave the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, and Al Qaeda their start-up funds, supported them and put them in power, with no consideration for their impact on women. The ‘liberators’ of Afghan
Fwd: Trees as broadcasters
This impulse was originally given to me by Hugh Courtney at the Josephine Porter Institute for Applied Biodynamics. The Tree as Cosmic Pipe If we observe the physiology of the tree and apply the words of Steiner, that the tree trunk proper is simply a more enlivened form of soil; Schauberger, explaining that the growth rings from winter to summer create a dielectric and are capable of absorbing and generating energy [please also refer to the work of Wilhelm Reich {orgone energy and the orgone accumulator}]. It becomes obvious that a tree is more than it appears. I, among others believe that trees belong to another kingdom of Nature, [Ents] set aside from plants like vegetables, perennials, or annuals. If we want to use the tree for this purpose you can do several things. If you dowse, use a pendulum, you would first ask permission, and then ask "What is the proper orientation of this tree in the earth?", the pendulum will respond. Next you would ask, "What is the current orientation of this tree in the earth?", the pendulum will respond. Chances are that if the seed landed or if planted by an unconscious human the tree is not properly oriented. It is not oriented to the group soul of the trees, the physical and etheric bodies are out of syncronisty with the astral body of the group soul and ego or overlighting Devas of the species of tree. This may be observed through "corkscrewing" of the trunk, or an obvious imbalance of the branches of the tree. If you do not dowse you may go right to this aspect. You would next say, " In accordance with God's will and the Christ Jesus let this tree have it's proper orientation in the earth for its best possible future growth {and for the reception and broadcast of the biodynamic earth healing remedies}". I added the part in parenthesis. I encourage each person to personalize the prayer of intent. What is done next is that the biodynamic remedies are placed within the energy field of the tree. They are loosely packed in small vials, about the size that tinctures come in, wide mouths are preferable, lids down tight to keep water out. The horn manure is place about three to ten feet from the trunk on the north side of the tree [depending on size, use your intuition], barrel compost on the south side, equisetum tea on the east side [2/3 full in case it freezes]. Depth should bd from 6-18 inches deep, a core soil sampler works good for this. The horn silica gets hung in the branches above the ground on the west side of the tree. Evidence of te living energy field is that the vials dug up years later are still fresh and vibrant, possibly more potent than when they went in. If using a pendulum you can ask what the broadcast radius of the tree is, let each swing be ten or one hundred miles. I have many trees thus rigged. The Crypotomeria has a world wide broadcast, there are some 300-400 year old copper beeches that go 1200-1500 miles. If you dowse or intuit, think about the cryptomeria, and ask the broadcast potency. I like to aid all sights where the trees are with actual spraying bd remedies. SStorch --- Begin Message --- This impulse was originally given to me by Hugh Courtney at the Josephine Porter Institute for Applied Biodynamics. The Tree as Cosmic Pipe If we observe the physiology of the tree and apply the words of Steiner, that the tree trunk proper is simply a more enlivened form of soil; Schauberger, explaining that the growth rings from winter to summer create a dielectric and are capable of absorbing and generating energy [please also refer to the work of Wilhelm Reich {orgone energy and the orgone accumulator}]. It becomes obvious that a tree is more than it appears. I, among others believe that trees belong to another kingdom of Nature, [Ents] set aside from plants like vegetables, perennials, or annuals. If we want to use the tree for this purpose you can do several things. If you dowse, use a pendulum, you would first ask permission, and then ask "What is the proper orientation of this tree in the earth?", the pendulum will respond. Next you would ask, "What is the current orientation of this tree in the earth?", the pendulum will respond. Chances are that if the seed landed or if planted by an unconscious human the tree is not properly oriented. It is not oriented to the group soul of the trees, the physical and etheric bodies are out of syncronisty with the astral body of the group soul and ego or overlighting Devas of the species of tree. This may be observed through "corkscrewing" of the trunk, or an obvious imbalance of the branches of the tree. If you do not dowse you may go right to this aspect. You would next say, " In accordance with God's will and the Christ Jesus let this tree have it's best possible orientation for its best possible future growth {and for the reception and roadcast of the biodynamic earth healing remedies}". I added the p
Re: Trees as broadcasters
This impulse was originally given to me by Hugh Courtney at the Josephine Porter Institute for Applied Biodynamics. The Tree as Cosmic Pipe If we observe the physiology of the tree and apply the words of Steiner, that the tree trunk proper is simply a more enlivened form of soil; Schauberger, explaining that the growth rings from winter to summer create a dielectric and are capable of absorbing and generating energy [please also refer to the work of Wilhelm Reich {orgone energy and the orgone accumulator}]. It becomes obvious that a tree is more than it appears. I, among others believe that trees belong to another kingdom of Nature, [Ents] set aside from plants like vegetables, perennials, or annuals. If we want to use the tree for this purpose you can do several things. If you dowse, use a pendulum, you would first ask permission, and then ask "What is the proper orientation of this tree in the earth?", the pendulum will respond. Next you would ask, "What is the current orientation of this tree in the earth?", the pendulum will respond. Chances are that if the seed landed or if planted by an unconscious human the tree is not properly oriented. It is not oriented to the group soul of the trees, the physical and etheric bodies are out of syncronisty with the astral body of the group soul and ego or overlighting Devas of the species of tree. This may be observed through "corkscrewing" of the trunk, or an obvious imbalance of the branches of the tree. If you do not dowse you may go right to this aspect. You would next say, " In accordance with God's will and the Christ Jesus let this tree have it's best possible orientation for its best possible future growth {and for the reception and roadcast of the biodynamic earth healing remedies}". I added the part in parenthesis. I encourage each person to personalize the prayer of intent. What is done next is that the biodynamic remedies are placed within the energy field of the tree. They are loosely packed in small vials, about the size that tinctures come in, lids down tight to keep water out. The horn manure is place about three to ten feet from the trunk on the north side of the tree [depending on size, use your intuition], barrel compost on the south side, equisetum tea on the east side [2/3 full in case it freezes]. Depth should bd from 6-18 inches deep, a core soil sampler works good for this. The horn silica gets hung in the branches above the ground on the west side of the tree. If using a pendulum you can ask what the broadcast radius of the tree is, let each swing be ten or one hundred miles.
Re: Trees as broadcasters
Greetings Deborah, I use a relatively small tree, ask its permission first, I haven't done any investigation as to how small one can go and still be effective. My Guess would be about 8ft. I pick one with a balanced form. I don't know what there limmits are but have reason to believe that they can work from one continent to another if that is the wish of the sender and the receiver. You can set the preparations / remedies at the base of the tree for soil radiation and a secure crook of a branch or knot hole for the atmospheric broadcast. You can set the boundaries by asking when you do your start up prayer or meditation, then check it by dowsing. I use a forked stick or L rods. I think that the same rules should apply as would be valid for any other type of spraying. Keep it to your place, and allow special friends to draw from it for their place if they wish. Talk to your tree and the elementals that live in it, from time to time. Best wishes Peter. >From the land of the Lord Of The Rings film set. - Original Message - From: "Deborah Byron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: tree topic
Could some one be kind enough to give step by step instruction for accessing the archive? I have never made it. Gil Lloyd Charles wrote: My BDNOW (email) folder has over 2495 entries. I was pretty sure the topic of trees as broadcasters has been addressed before now, but I can't locate it in all the conglomerated mess that is BDNOW folder. July 2001 there are several articles 'trees as cosmic pipe ' or similar Peter Michael Bacchus, Hugh Lovel, et al