Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Dear Gil, The pepper is made from a secret formula consisting of a rabbit burnt out of conventional burning time and a Bruce Copen rate. It works very well. James Gil Robertson wrote: Hi! Roger, Re: the rabbit bit. Have you made a Rae Card or a pepper for the beastie? I have tried all the Rates used in the UK, but with no joy in Oz. The rabbit looks to be the same, but I have not managed to send them to the neighbors. Gil Roger Pye wrote: The council regard it as being the worst for rabbits and serrated tussock in the shire. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Hi Gil, Not much point taking on the easy jobs. If we can get some success in rabbit control, heaven only knows what we can do. Regards James Hedley Hi! Roger, Re: the rabbit bit. Have you made a Rae Card or a pepper for the beastie? I have tried all the Rates used in the UK, but with no joy in Oz. The rabbit looks to be the same, but I have not managed to send them to the neighbors. Gil Roger Pye wrote: The council regard it as being the worst for rabbits and serrated tussock in the shire. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Dear Glen, The how of what Roger and I propose to do with the rabbits at Dalgetty is proprietary information, much the same as your bird scare product. Regards James Hedley Rodger How are you changing the energy of the farm to cut down bredding rates? Is this being achieve without peppering Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Terminology as Medium as Message: GE/GM/GR/GP
If the multinational companies can't protect their investment, they just won't do the research. However, which government is going to repeal the PBR laws? None haa the courage to do that. We can't rely on Western democracies to act on behalf of their constituents. The only way is for individuals not to buy these seeds. But the advantages they offer (to some) gives growers and edge over their fellows. The desire to take advantage of that, despite the consequences, is the nub of the problem. Changing that is the challenge. What the real problem is, is patent rights on seeds, thats what has allowed these multinational companies to proceed with their campaign of rape and pillage, and right now most of the commercial crop varieties grown by farmers in the developed agricultural nations on earth are under patent ownership of some sort, farmers no longer own their seed! Banish patent rights on living organisms and this problem (GE GM GP whatever) will quickly disappear (along with a host of other problems). Its a simple matter - this situation - transfer of ownership from public domain to private companies - has come about in my working lifetime and was unheard of in my father's generation. Lloyd Charles Leave the fire to burn - go turn off the fuel supply! Thats a great idea but I would expect there to be many hands clenched over the tap. I agree with what you say above and what we must be diligent with is the use of all the preparations or remedies. It could be that in due course we will have to breed new plants or resurect old plants and develop them again. Cheers Peter. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow -- Graeme Gerrard ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Rabbit control
Dear Lloyd, Spot on as usual. However I have only one comment to make. No one really knows what the results of our trials on rabbits are likely to do over a large area. The initial work was only conducted over a small area. Results indicated that it was worthwhile conducting further trials. As for the point about breeding patterns being disrupted that is what I suspect will happen. When we know for sure what is happening then we will be able to confirm that is what happens. The initial ideas was only to stop rabbits from eating trees planted by Greening Australia.Unfortunately that trial never got off the ground, but what I did learn from it was that there was an energetic difference between the areas where rabbits choose to live, and where they dont. Change the energy of the area and hopefully you will change the critters that choose to live there. It should also change the types of herbage that grows. Should even control the serrated tussock , if the theory and trials are correct. Let's just see what we can do over a small area of 500 odd acresof some of the worst country on the monaro. Regards James Hi Roger Yes. In terms of mammals I have an innate dislike of peppering for several reasons, not least of which is that it does nothing about the actual problem, just moves it on to someone else's shoulders. There's a multitude of ways to skin the cat of course but I think that your argument against peppering is a little simplistic here. It asssumes that the critters will just breed on regardless of the changed conditions, and while it often looks that way, thats not what happens in nature. When Rudolph Steiner wrote of peppering there was quite a lot of emphasis on the effect on the reproductive ability of the target. OK, when we get an instant result we are probably just scrambling them up so they go somewhere else and initially there may be an increase in pressure at somewhere else , but after moving house I dont think those new critters will become a part of the effective breeding population for quite a while, if ever!. I believe over time the overall population will reduce because of peppering and the only way that the neighbor will be affected long term is if he already had favourable conditions in place for an increase of population - which case it was going to happen anyway. Nothing wrong with your method of course, but the other 95% of us need to figure out something that will work for us. Anyway how different are we? Its all about the energy! I can't do it on my own but with the aid of a field broadcaster anyone can implement beneficial changes to the energies of their farm. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Dear Lloyd, I agree that there is an energy factor operating at Dalgetty. This energy factor is not just unique to Dalgetty, it is common to all poor country. Unfortunately Roger and I cant let the cat out of the bag yet. One of two things can happen, the work is worthy of a Nobel Prize, or we don't really know enough about what we are doing yet. I know that the concepts which we are working with at Dalgetty have worked elsewhere on small scale trials. However there is a long way to go yet. Regards James Hedley Roger wrote Notwithstanding Lloyd's positive remarks about the Dalgety area, the extended results of lack of rain, overgrazing and invasive weed are very evident in reducing soil quality and growth patterns - and this land is marginal to begin with. It was more a general comment on the area, I'd agree that Dalgety is pretty marginal, its fairly low rainfall and the soils are ordinary. The Monaro used to be lightly stocked but hard times and bad advice from government experts in the 70's led to farmers trying to run numbers that the country was not capable of supporting long term. I remember a farmer from that area (Dalgety side of town) going through court for failure to control rabbits in 1969 or 70, politely told the beak that with a wife and kids to support he was catching 200 pair a night and had no intention of eliminating his only useful source of income until wool prices improved. I dont know what it was but in a short time up there I met a lot of good people - they seemed to have a depth of character - maybe tough times do that ? But I think there is an energy factor in that whole area that you dont see in other places. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Hi Roger, Seems as if we have a good discussion going among the Wizards of the Land of Oz. Surely there must be some 0f our American subscribers who have experience in this subject that they can bring to bear on the subject of changing polarities in soils to affect changes. It certainly is a fascinating subject soil polarities and geopathic stress areas. James Garuda wrote: How are you changing the energy of the farm to cut down bredding rates? Is this being achieve without peppering Yes. In terms of mammals I have an innate dislike of peppering for several reasons, not least of which is that it does nothing about the actual problem, just moves it on to someone else's shoulders. In my experience the energy of a place can be changed in a number of ways, sometimes simply, sometimes esoterically. Simplistically, I suppose I could say that whenever a plant is put in the ground it has the potential to change the energy, or change the manner in which inherent energy works, one way or another. For now I'll keep it simple. A few days ago I referred to the double spiral (vortex) in your 'Spiral Astrology' on your website. Think about that image for a moment. Walk anywhere there are trees and I guarantee you will find one or more that have twisted bark or branches that splay out in an unnatural circular manner. I'm sure you know the sort of thing I mean. Usually the cause is a pure energy vortex (in many cases a double vortex) which has positive polarity. That means the energy swirls clockwise and goes down into the ground. The energy itself is cooled and is being 'pulled' into the vortex from distances that depend on its size, and in the process that twists trees and shrubs (harming or killing them over long periods of time) and anything else which happens to be in the way, and is generally harmful for the soil making things harder to grow. There are also negative polarity vortexes (vortices) which do the opposite - that is, they swirl counterclockwise bringing warm air up from an underground source (often an underground stream or lake). Vortexes (vortices) can be reversed but not everyone can do it. Micro-climates can be created in hostile climatic conditions using negative vortexes. If you look on the soil as a living organism (which it is) with a capacity to determine its own needs and work on fulfilling them (which it does) then it becomes fairly evident that rabbits and other 'pests' including weeds are 'grown' for a purpose. (However, it takes a huge attitudinal shift to accept that soils can 'think' for themselves.) The problem, then, is not the creature or plant itself but over-population and that is all we should be seeking to control.. We can do that with a mix of energy changes and spiritual guidance. I appreciate the difficulty or impossibility of developing a product which incorporates such things but in fact we already have the means - about 5% of the population have the necessary ability. One need not be on-the-spot either, it can be done from a distance. Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
To tell you the truth, James, I think we're way ahead of the ball game - but perhaps they're searching feverishly through USDA regs to see if the human and/or spiritual control of natural energy flows is allowable in the modern agricultural context :) I'll be in Dalgety later this week by the way. Roger James Hedley wrote: Hi Roger, Seems as if we have a good discussion going among the Wizards of the Land of Oz. Surely there must be some 0f our American subscribers who have experience in this subject that they can bring to bear on the subject of changing polarities in soils to affect changes. It certainly is a fascinating subject soil polarities and geopathic stress areas. James Garuda wrote: How are you changing the energy of the farm to cut down bredding rates? Is this being achieve without peppering Yes. In terms of mammals I have an innate dislike of peppering for several reasons, not least of which is that it does nothing about the actual problem, just moves it on to someone else's shoulders. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
BD Down under
Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz, :-) Earlier this month 6 members of Central West Biodynamic Group had a social prep spraying day at one of our members who had been drastically effected by the drought. We had 2 stirring machines (one 60 gallon and a 90 gallon) and 2 sets of flow forms running into a 400 litter tank, along with the brand new fire tanker which bought the water for the spraying out. As usual there was some problem with at least one pump, nothing much that a few willing hands couldn't fix. The first load of spray headed out at about 3'oclock and continued on until after dark. Back up again before daylight to get the 501 out. In all we got preps out over 200 acres that were sown that weekend as the gods must have heard that the preps were going out and gave us an inch of rain. The property is 1500 acres with around 800 acres under cultivation, so it would have taken all of us at least 4 days to put out the preps only on the cultivation area.The whole exercise gave all of us a n insight into the difficulties of broad acre application of BD preps. Itut the preps out in between stirring and spraying The biggest problem is that the time when the preps go out usually coincides with the time for sowing. In many instances the sowing gets done and the preps wait for a less busy time(if there is one). It is easy to see that there is a future for radionics in broad acre cropping. Our member manages 1500 acres by himself, quite a feat. It is not uncommon in Australian cropping for one man to manage very large areas. Just try sowing down 800 acres in a few days because there is enough rainfall to at least get a germination, even although there is minimal subsoil moisture. One must give full praise to the broad acre farmers who have not even come out of drought yet still expend large amounts of money to put another crop in, full of hope and not much else there for them. For many farmers it will be very tough, if they can hang on, if there is no crop this year. Something like 95% of NSW is still drought affected, although fortunately our property has had 22 inches of rain since March. We had really good mileage from Hugh Lovel's Workshop at Albury, however I have found that Radionic broadcast of sea water and the use of Radionic color therapy on the atmosphere has enabled the rain to move in a further 30 km from the east. More on the results of sea water broadcast in another post. Regards James Hedley ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Your palaver today really interests me. You're right, Roger, I couldn't and wouldn't forward your messages today to the Weed Supervisor or the University of Idaho researchers. They're not ready for it. You're absolutely right in just doing it. I am hosting a Biological Control for Knapweed Workshop on our road this Friday where the U. of ID researchers are going to deploy a weevil that eats knapweed seeds. This is the latest thing in weed control here. We have lots of knapweed on our right-of-way. It's been a rainy spring and seeds have germinated. We sprayed the D-8 peppers for knapweed and tansy. It is affecting the knapweed and tansy population, but the powers that be will not see this and I'm not planning to tell them. They will only get a report on the things they understand. You are way ahead of us. We've only been sprayed with 2,4-D, etc. (Curtail and Escort) once in 1999, but the hormone is still in the ground. Seeds that germinate in the sprayed area are unnaturally larger than the same plants up our private right-of-way. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy that the species they have declared noxious will continue so they can continue to spray every three years. Changing the soil properties either by material or energetic means is the way and it's going to take time to figure it all out. Somehow, I hope the powers here have faith in me and will allow us to continue to experiment with non-chemical methods. I spoke at a Weed Awareness Day program about our volunteer research here which is just scratching the surface. The evaluation sheets they got asked for more organic information next year. Little by little. I don't think the governmental groups will be able to do it financially in their present paradigm. My feeling is that it's got to be grassroots people demanding natural approaches to agricultural problems and doing it themselves. I think the ideas are spreading on that level. I would very much like to learn your proprietary protocol...someday. Hopefully, Merla Roger Pye wrote: To tell you the truth, James, I think we're way ahead of the ball game - but perhaps they're searching feverishly through USDA regs to see if the human and/or spiritual control of natural energy flows is allowable in the modern agricultural context :) I'll be in Dalgety later this week by the way. Roger James Hedley wrote: Hi Roger, Seems as if we have a good discussion going among the Wizards of the Land of Oz. Surely there must be some 0f our American subscribers who have experience in this subject that they can bring to bear on the subject of changing polarities in soils to affect changes. It certainly is a fascinating subject soil polarities and geopathic stress areas. James Garuda wrote: How are you changing the energy of the farm to cut down bredding rates? Is this being achieve without peppering Yes. In terms of mammals I have an innate dislike of peppering for several reasons, not least of which is that it does nothing about the actual problem, just moves it on to someone else's shoulders. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: BD Down under
James, it took us hours and hours to spray our tansy and knapweed D-8 solution six times (two different weeks when the moon was in a fire sign). We came home at midnight twice. I think radionics is the answer for large acreages. I'm still trying to understand how to potentize 4 gallons of D-7 pepper. What do you use to put it in to hang it from a tree and whack the *#!!! out of it? I'm still wondering if I ground the ash correctly and potentized each succession correctly. Whenever I start doing radionics, that's going to be a whole new level of learning what to do on a material level and on a spiritual level. Best, Merla James Hedley wrote: Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz, :-) Earlier this month 6 members of Central West Biodynamic Group had a social prep spraying day at one of our members who had been drastically effected by the drought. We had 2 stirring machines (one 60 gallon and a 90 gallon) and 2 sets of flow forms running into a 400 litter tank, along with the brand new fire tanker which bought the water for the spraying out. As usual there was some problem with at least one pump, nothing much that a few willing hands couldn't fix. The first load of spray headed out at about 3'oclock and continued on until after dark. Back up again before daylight to get the 501 out. In all we got preps out over 200 acres that were sown that weekend as the gods must have heard that the preps were going out and gave us an inch of rain. The property is 1500 acres with around 800 acres under cultivation, so it would have taken all of us at least 4 days to put out the preps only on the cultivation area.The whole exercise gave all of us a n insight into the difficulties of broad acre application of BD preps. Itut the preps out in between stirring and spraying The biggest problem is that the time when the preps go out usually coincides with the time for sowing. In many instances the sowing gets done and the preps wait for a less busy time(if there is one). It is easy to see that there is a future for radionics in broad acre cropping. Our member manages 1500 acres by himself, quite a feat. It is not uncommon in Australian cropping for one man to manage very large areas. Just try sowing down 800 acres in a few days because there is enough rainfall to at least get a germination, even although there is minimal subsoil moisture. One must give full praise to the broad acre farmers who have not even come out of drought yet still expend large amounts of money to put another crop in, full of hope and not much else there for them. For many farmers it will be very tough, if they can hang on, if there is no crop this year. Something like 95% of NSW is still drought affected, although fortunately our property has had 22 inches of rain since March. We had really good mileage from Hugh Lovel's Workshop at Albury, however I have found that Radionic broadcast of sea water and the use of Radionic color therapy on the atmosphere has enabled the rain to move in a further 30 km from the east. More on the results of sea water broadcast in another post. Regards James Hedley ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Hugh Lovel visits New Zealand July
Dear Louise, More or less YES. I'm working on a version and will have to send you the pagesby air mail. They may or may not be the same as I send to Australia, but there will be a lot of similarity. Hugh Hugh Does this mean that those in Australia will also get a copy??? Louise Berry - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Hugh Lovel To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Hugh Lovel visits New Zealand July Thanks, Tony, I've got to work out my travel itinerary yet, so this will help. When do you want me to arrive in Aukland? Still working on the manual, but used it the first draft for my rain workshop in Santa Fe, New Mexico this past weekend. We made almost an inch of gentle, soaking rain at the target site--less the farther away it was. The site was Kenny Ausubel's ranch in the Sangre de Christos mountains outside of Santa Fe. He is the founder of Bioneers and one of the founders of Seeds of Change, and needless to say he was highly pleased as they were having a drought. Anyway the booklet needs much more work before I send you a copy to publish for the workshops. I'll keep working on it, but it will be good. Same deal as before you folks can publish and sell as a gift from me. But this one will be way, way practical. Best, Hugh Hi to NZ BD subcribers this is the programme for Hugh Lovel's visit to NZ in July.Hope to see you all there. Regards Tony Robinson Agricultural Remedies. How to Make the Biodynamic Preparations Work Better. Hugh Lovel is the principal of the Union Agriculture Institute inBlairsville, Georgia, USA. He is one of the leading Biodynamic consultants in the US. He visited NZ in 2000. Hugh says, Much of what I have to offer is my understanding of BD, and the various ways of using it. A compassionate, highly intelligent writer/consultant with a true, creative insight and a wonderful turn of phrase. He has tirelessly promoted his great passion - the science of biodynamics. Workshop for Northland /Auckland SAT 19 July 10.00 am - 4.00pm Kiawaka Memorial Hall. Mangawhai Rd Kaiwaka. Register with Anne Dodds 09 435 3129 or Berndette Blair. 09 415 9044. Waikato / Bay of Plenty Wed 23rd July 10 am -4 pm Waikato Waldorf School 54 Borman Rd Hamilton Register with Tanja Benthien ph/fax 07 872 2545 Peter Bacchus 07 542 1914 e-mail mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hawkes Bay Friday 25th July 9.30 -3.30 Havelock North Community Centre, Te Mata Rd, Havelock North. Register with Cleone Armon 06 878 3128 Horowhenua, Manawatu, Wairapapa, Whanganui Sunday 27th July.10.00-4.00 Rambler Flowers 86 The Avenue [SH1] Please register with Enterprise Horowhenua 06 3670524. OR EMAIL organiser Tony Robinson: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more details COST: $60 PER PERSON includes a practical manual Please BYO Lunch. Water, Tea, Coffee provided at all venues. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: BD Research was Can error be turned to advantage?
Hi Roger, James, Lloyd et al You wizards always get me thinking. Firstly the energy of the Manaro plains, do you think the energy is caused from what Lloyd said about overgrazing? I've driven through that country several times and it is very depleted, a draining energy and often barren, yet that is not how it was. I had the pleasure of driving through there with a ranger, whose family had been in the area for 5 generations. How he described the changes were mostly due to grazing. What's the compaction like anyone know? Secondly the peppering, from the little I know the reproductive system should be affected. Now I know that lab. research is not the real thing, but could this not be tested in a controlled environment experiment. If I was to house pairs of rabbits separately, and treat some with a pepper. This sort of experiment could show physical changes, behaviour changes or drop of reproductive rate numbers? Is it worth observing to that degree and further regarding planet influences? It's an area I'd like to work in and wonder if this is where I could put scientific research of BD into action? Or would I be better off pursuing the preps??? I have the honour of having a wise and well published scientist at the uni, who is willing to guide me in whatever I pursue. He says with all that he's done the greatest of these is teaching Ecological Agriculture. Feel as though this is a chance for some sort of research and my heart/head/hands are with BD. Have to admit I'm a bit ahead of myself, but my marks are being maintained for an honours research year, so would like to consider some options. All feedback welcome, thanks. Markess any words of wisdom? LL Liz on 17/6/03 6:42 PM, James Hedley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Lloyd, I agree that there is an energy factor operating at Dalgetty. This energy factor is not just unique to Dalgetty, it is common to all poor country. Unfortunately Roger and I cant let the cat out of the bag yet. One of two things can happen, the work is worthy of a Nobel Prize, or we don't really know enough about what we are doing yet. I know that the concepts which we are working with at Dalgetty have worked elsewhere on small scale trials. However there is a long way to go yet. Regards James Hedley Roger wrote Notwithstanding Lloyd's positive remarks about the Dalgety area, the extended results of lack of rain, overgrazing and invasive weed are very evident in reducing soil quality and growth patterns - and this land is marginal to begin with. It was more a general comment on the area, I'd agree that Dalgety is pretty marginal, its fairly low rainfall and the soils are ordinary. The Monaro used to be lightly stocked but hard times and bad advice from government experts in the 70's led to farmers trying to run numbers that the country was not capable of supporting long term. I remember a farmer from that area (Dalgety side of town) going through court for failure to control rabbits in 1969 or 70, politely told the beak that with a wife and kids to support he was catching 200 pair a night and had no intention of eliminating his only useful source of income until wool prices improved. I dont know what it was but in a short time up there I met a lot of good people - they seemed to have a depth of character - maybe tough times do that ? But I think there is an energy factor in that whole area that you dont see in other places. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Fwd: ALERT: WESTON A. PRICE FOUNDATION: Case for Banning GMOs
**WESTON A. PRICE FOUNDATION*** UPDATE June 16, 2003 THE CASE FOR BANNING GENETICALLY MODIFIED ORGANISMS (GMOs) The Independent Science Panel (ISP) released on June 15 a report critical of genetically modified (GM) food and crops because of potential risks to human health and the environment, while making the case that better ways are readily available to produce food sustainably. Dozens of prominent scientists from seven countries, spanning the disciplines of agroecology, agronomy, biomathematics, botany, chemical medicine, ecology, histopathology, microbial ecology, molecular genetics, nutritional biochemistry, physiology, toxicology and virology, joined forces to launch themselves as an Independent Science Panel on Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO) at a public conference, attended by UK environment minister Michael Meacher and 200 other participants, in London, England on May 10, 2003. On June 15, they released probably one of the most comprehensive reports on GMOs and why they should be banned. Based on more than 200 references to primary and secondary sources, the report, The Case for a GM-free Sustainable World, is a complete dossier of evidence on the known problems and hazards of GM crops as well as the manifold benefits of sustainable agriculture. This report comes at a time when governments have failed to conduct adequate health and safe ty tests. We are providing in this UPDATE the findings, executive summary including comments on sustainable agriculture and a statement of the purpose of the ISP. The 136page report, The Case for a GM-free Sustainable World, can be downloaded at http://mailhost.groundspring.org/cgi-bin/t.pl?id=18512:591904. [The report is in PDF format, so you will need Adobe Acrobat Reader. To download Acrobat Reader for free, go to the following website: http://mailhost.groundspring.org/cgi-bin/t.pl?id=18513:591904]. In addition, we have provided information about an open letter from scientists around the world asking all governments to ban GMOs. The ISP website is www.indsp.org. The conference was sponsored by The Ecologist, Institute of Science in Society, Scientists for Global Responsibility, The Soil Association, Third World Network and GM Free Cymru. The Genetic Modification Group of the ISP consists of scientists working in genetics, biosciences, toxicology and medicine, and other representatives of civil society who are concerned about the harmful consequences of genetic modifications of plants and animals and related technologies and their rapid commercialization in agriculture and medicine without due process of proper scientific assessment and of public consultation and consent. Panel members of the ISP who produced this report can be found on the following link: http://mailhost.groundspring.org/cgi-bin/t.pl?id=18514:591904. Findings: · Lack of critical public information on the science and technology of GM · Lack of public accountability in the GM science community · Lack of independent, disinterested scientific research into, and assessment of, the hazards of GM · Partisan attitude of regulatory and other public information bodies, which appear more intent on spreading corporate propaganda than providing crucial information · Pervasive commercial and political conflicts of interests in both research and development and regulation of GM · Suppression and vilification of scientists who try to convey research information to the public that is deemed to harm the industry · Persistent denial and dismissal of extensive scientific evidence on the hazards of GM to health and the environment by proponents of genetic modification and by supposedly disinterested advisory and regulatory bodies · Continuing claims of GM benefits by the biotech corporations, and repetitions of these claims by the scientific establishment, in the face of extensive evidence that GM has failed both in the field and in the laboratory · Reluctance to recognize that the corporate funding of academic research in GM is already in decline, and that the biotechnology multinationals (and their shareholders) as well as investment consultants are now questioning the wisdom of the GM enterprise · Attacks on, and summary dismissal of, extensive evidence pointing to the benefits of various sustainable agricultural approaches for health and the environment, as well as for food security and social well-being of farmers and their local communities. Executive Summary: 1. GM crops failed to deliver promised benefits The consistent finding from independent research and on-farm surveys since 1999 is that GM crops have failed to deliver the promised benefits of significantly increasing yields or reducing herbicide and pesticide use. GM crops have cost the United States an estimated $12 billion in farm subsidies,
FYI: Fwd: A Message From The Orion Society
Dear Friend of Orion, This is a fundraising letter. These are dreadfully difficult times for non-profit organizations devoted to healing human relations with the natural world. At a time when they are needed most, we hear from one fine organization after another that they are being forced to close up shop. Just today I received word that two exemplary initiatives, Northern Lights magazine and the Sitka Symposium, are about to shut down operations, the former after eighteen years of publication, the latter after twenty years of summer programs. Also today I received a note from one of Orion's long-time friends, writers, and advisors Terry Tempest Williams, who was also well known to Northern Lights readers and Sitka Symposium students. She writes, It just all seems so overwhelming, the populace too complacent...I do wonder what it's going to take to wake people up, as if the erosion of three decades of environmental policy isn't enough. Precious things are being lost from under our noses. Civil liberties, decades of environmental protections, the crucial support services and safety net for our children and the elderly. And we are losing those few independent, noncommercial voices and educational forums that are offering a clear alternative to the entertainment that passes for corporate news and the fear- and greed-based dogma of the powerful few. Don't let it happen. Independent media is one of the greatest hopes for the future of democracy - don't let the few remaining forums for independent thought die. In over twenty years, Orion has never once published a single advertisement from an outside source. Not once. Not in our magazine, not on our website, not in our books. Never. How rare is that? For nearly two years, as part of our Thoughts on America Initiative, we have tried to provide a wide audience to brave citizens who recognize the historic nature of the times and the true threats to our planet and our country. Our newest book, Citizens Dissent, is an example. And through the Orion Grassroots Network, we have attempted to celebrate and empower hundreds of visionary organizations and initiatives (Sitka Symposium was one of these) to flourish. Please help us continue to do this. Don't let the flame of hope go out. Please consider a gift to our Annual Fund or Thoughts on America Initiative.. Please help us wake people up. https://ssl.crocker.com/orionsoc/supportjoin_os.cfm $25. $50. Any amount will be gratefully received. If you can possibly send us $100 or more, we will send you a limited-edition poster of our recent full-page New York Times statement, A Citizen's Response to the National Security Strategy of the United States of America, by Wendell Berry. Thank you for considering this request. And please pass it along to anyone else who might be willing to help. Sincerely, Mr. Laurie Lane-Zucker Executive Director The Orion Society 187 Main Street Great Barrington, Massachusetts 01230 USA (413) 528-4422 (413) 528-0676 (fax) http://www.oriononline.org ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Hughs NZ visit
Hugh Apologies, e's sent to your personal email address keeps coming back to me If your timetable is still forming, and you have a spare day or night in Hawkes Bay, Caroline I would like to invite you to stay with us at Ocean Beach, just near Hastings, by the vast Pacific ocean, for some R R, which I am sure you will be deserving by then. cheers Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Dear Glen, Much appreciated. I don't know yet what the schedule will end up being. I'll keep in touch. Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
