RE: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru
>From: James Hedley >You wont see such a high proportion of Australians who would support such >draconian measures as removing the right of free speech for anyone who is >critical of the government. >In the end it is the people who allow governments to terrorise them, not the >terrorists. >Maybe what is needed is another revolution to allow the new society in. >Remember that it is people who have defined the American dream for you, not >some amorphous multinational. Hello James, You have brought up many good points. I think you are quite right in that we have allowed government to take away our rights. It's dissapointing that here in the US the Constitution really doesn't apply to many people anymore. For example, the right to free travel is gone because the state has found a way to easily convert the right to travel into a taxable privilege by simply getting you to sign a contract with the state (another wealth confiscation scheme). Here is a copy of a letter from Senator Wayne Stump, Arizona State Senate; Phoenix, Arizona to the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office dated December 10, 1985. Senator Wayne Stump writes: "It has come to my attention that numerous individuals in our state have rescinded all of their contracts with the United States federal government, the State of Arizona, and each of its political subdivisions, establishing themselves as freemen under the organic national constitution of the Republic of the United States of America. Consequently, they may be driving without auto registration, driver's license, or any other evidence of contract." "Because many law enforcement personnel may be unaware of the contractual nature of auto registration and driver's licenses, it is conceivable that this situation may lead to confrontation between these individuals and law enforcement personnel." "I urge you to inform yourself and your personnel about this matter as soon as possible. If you would like to be briefed by someone knowledgeable on this subject, please contact me." "In the meantime, inasmuch as this procedure is entirely appropriate when properly carried out, I would like to be personally notified of every such instance of confrontation in order that the persons involved and the public officials involved may be apprised of the correct procedure and the appropriateness of their actions on the part of each concerned." Our other rights have been compromised through the same mechanism - legally enforceable contracts. Except that government has done a good job of concealing the fact that you ever signed a contract - very deceptive! Beware of hidden, invisible contracts. Regards, Chris
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru
- Original Message - From: Glen Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru Glen Sadly most of what you write here in reply to James is true - the best evidence of it is the dirty tactics that the liberal / labour party coalition (for thats what they are) used to get rid of Pauline Hanson - how quickly we forget eh! Lloyd Charles > I am not sure if you have noticed that Australia is the US's little > brother and that it is becoming more like the US every day and the > people are so party orientated or lethargic that they have not even > noticed some of the most draconion legislation in the world against > natural health and in support of rampant GE is in OZ. All with out a > wimper. As long as no one notices I guess it is not going on. A little > like the tree falling in the forest -yeah right. > The real axis of evil claims from the EArth Summit has been aimed at > Aus. Canada and the US. Ra RA the great aussie rip shit and bust spirit. > Yes it is there as it is in the US but the government is doing the same > things with the same attitudes with the same outcomes. It only a matter > of time and the US and Aussie will be indestinguishable. > > Glen > (expat aussie) >
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru
James I am not sure if you have noticed that Australia is the US's little brother and that it is becoming more like the US every day and the people are so party orientated or lethargic that they have not even noticed some of the most draconion legislation in the world against natural health and in support of rampant GE is in OZ. All with out a wimper. As long as no one notices I guess it is not going on. A little like the tree falling in the forest -yeah right. The real axis of evil claims from the EArth Summit has been aimed at Aus. Canada and the US. Ra RA the great aussie rip shit and bust spirit. Yes it is there as it is in the US but the government is doing the same things with the same attitudes with the same outcomes. It only a matter of time and the US and Aussie will be indestinguishable. Glen (expat aussie) James Hedley wrote: > > Dear Allan, > You sound very cynical about society in the US. As I have said many times > before if the kitchen gets too hot you can always come to Australia, which > is generally recognised as being a tolerant society.Come to Australia before > the bottom falls out of the $US. > You wont see such a high proportion of Australians who would support such > draconian measures as removing the right of free speech for anyone who is > critical of the government. > > In the end it is the people who allow governments to terrorise them, not the > terrorists. Support more of your politicians to get a passport and see what > goes on in the real world. It would also help if you got more people to > vote. Somewhere I saw that no more than 30% of Americans vote. If you put > out that you dont care what happens to you, then you must take what you get. > The only way that you are going to recover what you see as the traditional > relationships is to change it person by person. All that you can do is to > change your perceptions, and treat other people the way that you would like > to be treated. > Maybe what is needed is another revolution to allow the new society in. > Remember that it is people who have defined the American dream for you, not > some amorphous multinational. > > James Hedley > > Original Message - > From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:21 AM > Subject: Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says > BritishGuru > > > > > > > > > >Moen Creek wrote: > > > > > >> >but what do the multi-national > > >>corporations care. They will be able to buy "clean" food.< > > >> > > >>What do corporations eat? > > >> > > >People. > > > > > >Patti. > > > > To stealthily make all people vulnerable to them in the very future, > > they devour the traditional relationships between people and between > > people and the world around them, relationships that have sustained > > human cultures for eons. > > > > Gone or going are the traditional relationship between person and > > family of birth, person and teacher, person and physician, person and > > strangers, person and friends, person and the opposite sex, person > > and life mate, person and food, person and nutrition, person and > > personal property, person and public property, person and livelihood, > > and on and on. In the end we will all stand exposed, with nothing but > > the corporate teet to turn to for the support of our lives...or die > > young, a scenario that works well for the corporations. > > > > Many of these devoured relationships, relationships where > > traditionally we have found support for our human being, are > > consumed as we cheer in happiness for the "convenience" that has been > > brought to us in exchange. > > > > -- Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books & Diagrams See our web site @ http://get.to/garuda
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru
Dear Allan, You sound very cynical about society in the US. As I have said many times before if the kitchen gets too hot you can always come to Australia, which is generally recognised as being a tolerant society.Come to Australia before the bottom falls out of the $US. You wont see such a high proportion of Australians who would support such draconian measures as removing the right of free speech for anyone who is critical of the government. In the end it is the people who allow governments to terrorise them, not the terrorists. Support more of your politicians to get a passport and see what goes on in the real world. It would also help if you got more people to vote. Somewhere I saw that no more than 30% of Americans vote. If you put out that you dont care what happens to you, then you must take what you get. The only way that you are going to recover what you see as the traditional relationships is to change it person by person. All that you can do is to change your perceptions, and treat other people the way that you would like to be treated. Maybe what is needed is another revolution to allow the new society in. Remember that it is people who have defined the American dream for you, not some amorphous multinational. James Hedley Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru > > > > > >Moen Creek wrote: > > > >> >but what do the multi-national > >>corporations care. They will be able to buy "clean" food.< > >> > >>What do corporations eat? > >> > >People. > > > >Patti. > > To stealthily make all people vulnerable to them in the very future, > they devour the traditional relationships between people and between > people and the world around them, relationships that have sustained > human cultures for eons. > > Gone or going are the traditional relationship between person and > family of birth, person and teacher, person and physician, person and > strangers, person and friends, person and the opposite sex, person > and life mate, person and food, person and nutrition, person and > personal property, person and public property, person and livelihood, > and on and on. In the end we will all stand exposed, with nothing but > the corporate teet to turn to for the support of our lives...or die > young, a scenario that works well for the corporations. > > Many of these devoured relationships, relationships where > traditionally we have found support for our human being, are > consumed as we cheer in happiness for the "convenience" that has been > brought to us in exchange. > >
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru
Moen Creek wrote: >but what do the multi-national corporations care. They will be able to buy "clean" food.< What do corporations eat? People. Patti.
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru
Title: Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says British Guru From: Bonnie York Subject: Re: FW: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says British Guru >but what do the multi-national corporations care. They will be able to buy "clean" food.< What do corporations eat? L*L Markess
FW: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru
Title: FW: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says British Guru Subject: [globalnews] Goldsmith: Johannesberg a Confidence Game InterPress Service News Agency DEVELOPMENT: Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says British Guru Sanjay Suri India and China are committing "one of the greatest crimes in history" in agreeing to allow Western agriculture produce into their markets, says Edward Goldsmith, founder of The Ecologist magazine and a celebrated pioneer of Britain's environment movement since the 'sixties. "Opening up of these markets to highly subsidised food from the West will make up to two billion people destitute around the world," Goldsmith told IPS in an interview on the eve of the World Summit on Sustainable Development that began in Johannesburg Monday. LONDON, Aug 26 (IPS) - India and China are committing "one of the greatest crimes in history" in agreeing to allow Western agriculture produce into their markets, says Edward Goldsmith, founder of The Ecologist magazine and a celebrated pioneer of Britain's environment movement since the 'sixties. "Opening up of these markets to highly subsidised food from the West will make up to two billion people destitute around the world," Goldsmith told IPS in an interview on the eve of the World Summit on Sustainable Development that began in Johannesburg Monday. The push to these policies is coming from giant multinational companies with the backing of the U.S. government, Goldsmith said. "The WTO (World Trade Organisation) agriculture agreement specifies that the third world open up its borders to food from the EU and the U.S.," Goldsmith said. "But opening up markets to subsidised food from the rich countries will throw small farmers out of business. India alone has some 500 million small farmers, China some 900 million. Most of them will inevitably seek refuge in the slums where there is no land to plough, no jobs and little or no government aid." British officials have spoken of pushing 'reforms' in the estimated 350 billion dollars of subsidies paid annually to farmers in developed countries. But Britain is looking to change subsidies, not to end them, Goldsmith said. "Like the other countries of the EU, it is looking at the U.S. system of subsidies, where small farmers are made to sell to big grain merchants like the Cargill Corporation at a price that is below the cost of production. This will enable the grain merchants to ruin the agriculture of third world countries." In Britain the income of farmers has fallen 90 per cent in the last 10 years or so, he said. "The government wants to get rid of the small farmers, for big corporations to take over," he said. In California 70 per cent of the food produced comes from farms with no farmers - farms which belong to big corporations. In Britain the Blair government pleads for importing all food, arguing that agriculture in the country is not economic. "This is suicide," says Goldsmith. "With climate change the U.S. corn belt is drying up, so is the Australian wheat belt. We now have less than 15 million acres of arable and 15 million acres of grass land in Britain to feed nearly 60 million people." The last land utilisation survey done in 1977 came to the conclusion that in 2157 no agricultural land will be left. But since then the loss of farming land has accelerated. "Blair wants new airports, a network of super highways, more nuclear plants, more incinerators, four million new houses. That will eat up much of what is left. Unless we rethink these policies totally, the discussions in Johannesburg make no sense at all." The decisions are being made by multinationals, Goldsmith says. "So long as this remains the case we cannot solve any of our real problems. What is more, they will unquestionably take over whatever institution we set up to control them. This must make us seriously consider whether humanity can survive global economy, which by its very nature must be controlled by multinationals. A sine qua non of survival is a return to much smaller companies catering for a local market." Goldsmith does not believe that the developed countries will seriously set out to control consumption. In the U.S., consumption accounts for about 75 per cent of Gross National Product. One of the devices resorted to create the economic boom was to persuade people who saved about 9 per cent of their income to spend it all on consumer goods. This has made the U.S. totally dependent on foreign investments, including capital flight from third world countries rendered bankrupt by the World Bank, IMF and WTO policies. "This capital flight adds up to more than five times the money third world countries get for development aid. If American consumers and the same is largely true of British consumers, save more, the economy will in the immediate term correspondingly suffer - GDP will fall. Are governments willing to accept this?" The U.S. economy depends on capital flows, and the U.S.
