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James and Barbara Hedley wrote: Dear Glen, Lloyd, David and felow list members, The eight pointed star exercise raises some interesting questions as to why you can stand on this pattern and actually feel that there is a difference between different spots on the star. James What is the difference in the experience you have when you stand on the primary cross as opposed to the secondary cross? Big hint Observe your ability to stand still. Glen
Re: Agri-Synthesis® short-lived and overpriced? was R e: Agri-Synthesis® Remedies Tested At UAI
Dear Glen, Lloyd, David and felow list members, The eight pointed star exercise is a good example of the skills that I teach in my workshops, except I dont teach it as a particularly Goethean anthropop approach. It really is just a case of tuning in and being aware of what is happening within you, and around you. The eight pointed star exercise raises some interesting questions as to why you can stand on this pattern and actually feel that there is a difference between different spots on the star. Initially the pattern has no meaning, it is only an abstract diagram drawn to test a theory, but at some stage the pattern has become an antennae. That this pattern is capable of broadcasting and receiving emanations is obvious from the feel that there is something occuring. Why is it that we can use a pattern, [sacred geometry] put a witness ,such as drop of blood, sputum, hair or any object that his person has had contact with, write a number, [an abstraction such as a rate] and it can cause an effect on that which the witness has come from. Does this action at a distance derive from intent, or is there some other factors in operation so subtle that unless we are aware of it, just passes us by. If we go past the belief that it is intent that causes this action or that, and just become aware of where our thoughts are going and follow them we become aware that there is a place where those thoughts go. A place where the thought and the action become one, where there is no cause and effect, there is just one.The thought is the key activator, not the intent. Just try this one, stand in the middle of a paddock with a small phial of Phosphoric Acid in your hand, or any reagent that you fancy, become aware of the feel of the contents of the phial, get a stick and draw a square or circle around you and start chanting the mantra Om. do it for as long as you can, usually the chanting will get to the stage that it will not come out, just retain your awareness on single pointed focus, you become the antennae and broadcaster. Each day before you do this exercise become aware of what is happening in the area that you are in for the exercise. What has changed? Has the phosphorus level changed in the area. You dont need to use the physical substances, you can bring them into manifestation from the unmanifest universe. To gain the confidence to even attempt this, first you must become aware that there are subtle emanations which can be amplifiedby awareness of muscle movements, much in the same way as kinesiology. It appears from much of the discussion that dowsing is some inferior form of perception, this is not the case, it is another form of perception. NASA trains all astronauts in dowsing, because it is easier in times of stress to have a unified set of responses which is consistent and in which you have absolute faith in your clarity under all conditions. Goethean perception may work very well in the workshop, or the training room, but when you have to find an answer in a hurry, are stressed, or move into a subject that you know nothing about, dowsing perception wins every time. Both dowsing and Goethean perception are skills which serve the adept well if they are proficient at them. Stay in the light. James - Original Message - From: Glen Atkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: Agri-Synthesis® short-lived and overpriced? was R e: Agri-Synthesis® Remedies Tested At UAI Lloyd Charles wrote: More from the land of oz - I found this lurking uncompleted on My desktop - (Delete is just above the left cursor key if its too out of date) Gil Robertson wrote While one can undoubtable wait for devine revelation, if playing with a few acres in one situation, but if one is working with many properties, as Hugh and James are, there is a need to get accurate answers, quickly. In HAstings NZ last weekend I was chatting with Joke Bloksma from the Louis Bolk Institute in Holland, who is here seminaring on Geothean observation. I wish to honour her part in the stimulation of these words rather than quote our conversation. We were discussing the difference between direct perception and dowsing. One of the important parameters of geothean intutition is the feelings, pictures, knowings and insights that one gains through ones Astral body and Ego when observing or more correctly percieving something. There are many other things that can be used as observations as well. However staying with this one experience. As one puts out an impulse into the environment through asking the question, the environment responses instantaneously with the answer. By 'Environment' I mean from the localised Astrality and higher Self/Ego out to the Collective Unconscious realms and beyond. There is immense intelligence contained in these spheres and they feed the answers back. The lesson is being able to accept the answers and the experience
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D S Chamberlain wrote: Glen: Thank you for posting this insight, it explains some happenings when I am dowsing. If I have the message right, we should be able to ask the question and receive an answer in our next thought, am I correct? Pretty much, this is as I experience it. Do Devas and other beings have any participation in this? Between here and the edge off the Solar System there is plenty of participatory beings, why limit your options by just 'talking' with Devas. Tried the cross exercise, nothing experienced, has this any significance? The significance of not experiencing something from this? Who am I to say. Try it again and turn out away from the centre of your cross. Do not focus on the centre. Generally all one needs do is stand on one point for a minute or two, then stand on one point 90 deg. away and then stand on the centre point between them. Have another go. The significance and connotation of the experience though can be huge. In fact it could be considered an essential experience for truly understanding the inner nature of the 'Periodic table of Elements', the Agriculture course and Gyroscopic physics generally. :} Good luck Glen David C
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James and Barbara Hedley wrote: Study of the intellectual acuity of the Lievegoods and Kolisko's of this world this does not help us to become conscious participants and living in our environment. And why not? I submit that the insights dowsers acquire from active participation in trying to understand the phenomenal world are as relevant, if not more relevant, as those acquired from reading about someone else's insights. Submitment noted, however is dowsing really active participation or passive response? Certainly reading will get you no where, as so many of our BD ideologs are a testament, but using Koliskos, Peliken or Lievegeods insights as a basis for active observation is a very worthwhile activity, or so it has seemed to me. Your statement saying that I may as well have said, How can any body use Biodynamics without dowsing skills is beyond my comphrehension is a point worthy of discussion. Are you saying that dowsing has no part in understanding what our BD preps are doing, or as a comparative guide to what they are likely to do. Naturally 'use' and 'outcome' depends on the user and so absolutes are difficult here. However there is whole lot of difference between actively participating in a process of cognition through interaction with the environment in many ways, than passively asking your unconscious a yes no answer. You may get an answer but you have not had the soul experience of the journey. Do you 'really know' what the astral body is doing or what it feels like personally or in the earth when it manifests as a groundhog, once you have asked your pendulum for a remedy to rid them? Do you know what the possible side effects of this remedy might be on the people, animals and other plants and what these are going to look like? Use and practise develop 'muscles', imagining excercise does not. As for developing into conscious angels I would rather live in this world right now and evolve as the rest of mankind develops than to try and be the first one there. No future in that. We dont have to change the world , just ourselves. I do not believe I said anything about not living in the present. All humankind have the chance to develop towards being conscious angels. The joke of our present time and situation is that this will not be happening in 4000 years as RS suggested, but quiet possibly by 2025. So the process is on right now for those who want it. RS has pointed out that just as there are folks who make evolutionary jumps, there are folks who are left behind as 'laggard beings'. The choice is yours. Pick up the old atavistic clairvoyance or grow a conscious clairvoyance. RS worked towards the latter and encouraged others to do the same. This is why he bothered to outline the workings of the spiritual activities in the Agriculture lectures and not just tell us about the preps and their use. He hoped we would make use this information as a basis for us to develop a conscious relatonship with them. And I believe we easily can from the base he laid. Just as attending an elementary course such as provided by most BDAs is a start on the road of Steiner Ag, so may dowsing be for some. The trap of both is to stop there and believe 'you have got it'. Dowsing may well be enough to turn a 'BD' buck and there is no shame in that. While I disagree with your suggestion one can not use a field broadcaster without dowsing, as I do, I also appreciate it can be beyond your comphrehension. Glen A James - Original Message - From: Glen Atkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:26 AM Subject: Re: Agri-Synthesis® short-lived and overpriced? was R e: Agri-Synthesis® Remedies Tested At UAI James and Barbara Hedley wrote: How any body can use a field broadcaster without dowsing skills is beyond my comprehension Sincere regards James. Through conscious observation and understanding. Apart from using the BD preps with a good organic practise, BD and Steiners whole thrust for agriculture was for us to be able to consciously live in our environment and act as conscious participants The knowledge and skills for developing this insight are available in the works of people such as Lievegeod, Kolisko, Haushcka, Bohenmuhl, Pelikan and in my own way I have provided the base from which I work in this way. RS suggested the development of these skills are a necessary part of our present evolution process and if we do not take up this challenge to walk across this bridge then all we do is repick up the old ways of prehistory rather than develop into conscious angels. It is yours and each of our choice. The really lucky thing is that it IS possible to be conscious of the spiritual forces in nature and to grow plants accordingly. This is what the Agriculture course is telling us apart from the obvious bits on how to make the preps. This is the REAl challenge I see put before us
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James, For sure dowsing is a big help. Best, Hugh Dear Hugh, Both Lloyd and I have found that the mixtures of reagents can change from day to day, let alone from year to year. As for dowsing it is an easily learnt skill as the participants at our dowsing workshops at Sattwa Park can testify to. How any body can use a field broadcaster without dowsing skills is beyond my comprehension Sincere regards James. - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Agri-Synthesis® short-lived and overpriced? was Re: Agri-Synthesis® Remedies Tested At UAI Dear Glen, et. al., Your post confirms what Lorraine has found. Mixes are often specific for the situation, time and weather circumstance. That's why we tailor our broadcaster reagents to each and every farm. And change them at a minimum of every year. So what we have found is the expertise rather than copying of remedies is the important thing. One has to be able to tell (Lorraine does this by dowsing) what potency of each remedy she puts on the reagent vials for our broadcasters. Commonly one farm is quite different from another. Best, Hugh Hugh, Alan, Gil and Chris Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions. I see the value in Hugh and Alans approaches and will work with them and see what I can do with them. Gils comments on 'unknowing messing around' are true to a point however dowsing and a radionics box could do some wild things. The uniqueness I see is in the original mixing for a specific task. This was a question that needed to be asked publically for the community to consider. While I have made general mixes of things, with our 'personal clients' the mixes are most often specific for the situation, time and weather circumstance. These would be silly to generally copy. I am sure there is a way forward, just in a different direction to that already travelled and that imagined to be travelled. Sounds like another bit of 'life' taking place. cheers Glen Chris Shade wrote: Glen has a good point, and frankly, I was surprised that Allan so openly suggested that. On the flip side, though, most people (who dont' already make some of their own preps), won't be in a position to make good copies of Glen and Greg's potencies. And if radionic theft is the issue, it would have always been the issue with any prep. You just have to figure that your market is those who aren't radionics or homeophath jockeys and who need some good preps. Wishing you market protection and good will from your community, Chris --- Glen Atkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Balliett wrote: A question I have for everyone is Can't Greg's remedies be readily propagated infinitely? Since they are potentized, are they not now the 'mother' for endless batches of equal remedy? I would think they are, but I'd appreciate insights from you more experienced potentizers. Myself, I assume that once you buy a unit from Greg, if you don't spill it, you need never purchase another, but simply dose your own units from that point on. This does not necessarily hold to be true. Firstly these are compounds which when further potentised can change their effectiveness and secondly potentising develops in waves and so further potentising can indeed make them less effective. We have definitely found that reducing the desired application rate leads to reduced effect. 'Stealing them' thru a radionics device, without changing the potency should work within that sphere I guess. This is an opportune moment to bring a thought to this discussion. With Greg and my potencies ( and thus our lives work) being 'potentially' so easily stolen from us, what incentive is there for us to continue working on furthering preparation applications. Why would we bother? and how are our overheads and life expenses to be covered by the community benefiting so freely from our work? in anticipation of the solution Glen __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books Diagrams See our web site @ http://get.to/garuda
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Dear Steve, Yes that what it is. A chart is an abstract object that has no meaning except that which we put into it. Regards James - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Agri-Synthesis® short-lived and overpriced? was R e: Agri-Synthesis® Remedies Tested At UAI In a message dated 2/26/02 4:30:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Through conscious observation and understanding. Nothing personal James but as a good example this statement could also be How can any body use Biodynamics without dowsing skills is beyond my comphrehension Apart from using the BD preps with a good organic practise, BD and Steiners whole thrust for agriculture was for us to be able to consciously live in our environment and act as conscious participants The knowledge and skills for developing this insight are available in the works of people such as Lievegeod, Kolisko, Haushcka, Bohenmuhl, Pelikan and in my own way I have provided the base from which I work in this way. RS suggested the development of these skills are a necessary part of our present evolution process and if we do not take up this challenge to walk across this bridge then all we do is repick up the old ways of prehistory rather than develop into conscious angels. It is yours and each of our choice. The really lucky thing is that it IS possible to be conscious of the spiritual forces in nature and to grow plants accordingly. This is what the Agriculture course is telling us apart from the obvious bits on how to make the preps. This is the REAl challenge I see put before us by Biodynamics. This is also be one of the HUGE differences between the BD buck turners and some other BD practioners. The BDAs seem to have a small appreciation of this need and difference however they do not seem to have or promote the skills necessary to make conscious spiritual perception a every day reality. So they sit on high and isolate quietly. cheers Glen Excellent descriptio nfor a course charted to the future
Re: Agri-Synthesis® short-lived and overpriced? was R e: Agri-Synthesis® Remedies Tested At UAI
James and Barbara Hedley wrote: How any body can use a field broadcaster without dowsing skills is beyond my comprehension Sincere regards James. Through conscious observation and understanding. Nothing personal James but as a good example this statement could also be How can any body use Biodynamics without dowsing skills is beyond my comphrehension Apart from using the BD preps with a good organic practise, BD and Steiners whole thrust for agriculture was for us to be able to consciously live in our environment and act as conscious participants The knowledge and skills for developing this insight are available in the works of people such as Lievegeod, Kolisko, Haushcka, Bohenmuhl, Pelikan and in my own way I have provided the base from which I work in this way. RS suggested the development of these skills are a necessary part of our present evolution process and if we do not take up this challenge to walk across this bridge then all we do is repick up the old ways of prehistory rather than develop into conscious angels. It is yours and each of our choice. The really lucky thing is that it IS possible to be conscious of the spiritual forces in nature and to grow plants accordingly. This is what the Agriculture course is telling us apart from the obvious bits on how to make the preps. This is the REAl challenge I see put before us by Biodynamics. This is also be one of the HUGE differences between the BD buck turners and some other BD practioners. The BDAs seem to have a small appreciation of this need and difference however they do not seem to have or promote the skills necessary to make conscious spiritual perception a every day reality. So they sit on high and isolate quietly. cheers Glen -- Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books Diagrams See our web site @ http://get.to/garuda
Re: Agri-Synthesis® short-lived and overpriced? was R e: Agri-Synthesis® Remedies Tested At UAI
In a message dated 2/26/02 4:30:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Through conscious observation and understanding. Nothing personal James but as a good example this statement could also be How can any body use Biodynamics without dowsing skills is beyond my comphrehension Apart from using the BD preps with a good organic practise, BD and Steiners whole thrust for agriculture was for us to be able to consciously live in our environment and act as conscious participants The knowledge and skills for developing this insight are available in the works of people such as Lievegeod, Kolisko, Haushcka, Bohenmuhl, Pelikan and in my own way I have provided the base from which I work in this way. RS suggested the development of these skills are a necessary part of our present evolution process and if we do not take up this challenge to walk across this bridge then all we do is repick up the old ways of prehistory rather than develop into conscious angels. It is yours and each of our choice. The really lucky thing is that it IS possible to be conscious of the spiritual forces in nature and to grow plants accordingly. This is what the Agriculture course is telling us apart from the obvious bits on how to make the preps. This is the REAl challenge I see put before us by Biodynamics. This is also be one of the HUGE differences between the BD buck turners and some other BD practioners. The BDAs seem to have a small appreciation of this need and difference however they do not seem to have or promote the skills necessary to make conscious spiritual perception a every day reality. So they sit on high and isolate quietly. cheers Glen Excellent description for a course charted through thte future. Dowsing is a good tool but should not become a crutch for us to lean on. Active perception and conscious participation is the key to success in using the BD remedies...sstorch
