Fwd: Re: FW: CSA's

2003-01-05 Thread Allan Balliett
from Jean paul courtens





Hi Jane and Allan:
I think it is also important for the subscribers at BD Now to know 
that Jan vanderTuin (whom I had forgotten to mention), had brought 
the idea with him from Dornach, Switzerland. There Jan had either 
worked, or just met with a farmer that had a CSA relationship with 
the people in the community of Dornach.  (I assume everyone knows 
that Dornach is where the headquarters of the anthroposophical 
society is centered.)  I mention this since we need to understand 
what the core values behind the CSA concept are if you want to 
understand where to move from here.  You can find similar 
core-values in the community land trust movement, within Native 
American wisdom, etc.  The main idea behind CSA is an associative 
relationship in which a true partnership develops between the farmer 
and the consumer.  It arises out of the understanding that economic 
arrangements are a balance between altruistic and egotistic 
interests. The consumer has an interest in good food and understands 
in order to sustain his physical body he needs to find an excellent 
farmer that understands how to nourish the earth.  The consumer is 
egotistic and altruistic at the same time since his/her concern for 
the earth and the well-being of the farmer go hand in hand with 
his/her own health.  The farmer needs to provide for him/herself and 
it is in his/her interest to provide a good value to the consumer. 
As far as ownership is concerned and the importance of it, I find 
that people generally think too simplistic in the terms of 
ownership.  It is not that you either own a farm or you don't.  The 
ownership has many aspects and you can refer to ownership as nothing 
more that a bundle of rights.  For example it is quite appropriate 
for the farmer to own the farm business but can be very 
comfortable in leasing the land from the consumers providing the 
consumer is willing to write a long-term lease, and is willing to 
protect the investment the farmer makes each year in the land and/or 
other improvements.  The community land trust movement has a lot of 
experience as far as looking at the question of ownership and we can 
learn from them.  The anthroposophists, like the people in the 
community land trust movement have looked at issues like the place 
of the economy in context of our social life.  How we derive value, 
and come up with a price in the contex t of a just economy are very 
important questions and lie at the heart of the CSA movement.  To 
counter Leigh in his bitter experience, I have to endure the 
pressure of my members to get more serious about my own financial 
future, get an IRA, increase my profit etc.  I appreciate their 
concern, and it is a proof that what we do works and has a profound 
impact on others.  Where do you find that outside the CSA movement?
Jean-Paul

ps, Allan, I had a little chuckle when I saw your subject line above 
the response to Steve in the SANET which read: BD  BS. A Freudian 
e-slip maybe? 




Fwd: Re: FW: CSA's

2003-01-05 Thread Allan Balliett
From: Jean Paul Courtens

I missed this one and I should have read this one-first before I 
responded.  It think it is important to understand that farming is 
all three; Free spiritual life is represented by the wisdom of the 
farmer.
The right sphere in the issues of who owns what right to what. 
Land, buildings, equipment, the right to farm the land, to develop 
it, to mine it, etc., etc.  And lastly farming is very much part of 
the economic realm since the production of food is ultimately done 
for no other reason that to nourish people.  The economic realm is 
there to create an environment where exchange can take place, and 
Steiner compares it to the heart and lungs and bloodsystem.  In the 
end we are whole but if there wasn't a proper distribution system 
and the brain and senses would be deprived of nourishment and oxygen 
the organism would die.  It is in every organ's interest to 
cooperate toward the well-being of the whole.  But they have 
different tasks laid out for them just as the artist or monk is not 
providing the world with a direct economic value, it is as important 
as the brain is there to help us in guiding where we are going.  I 
hope this helps. And please Allan don't despair, all we need to do 
is live these principles and then the rest will follow.
Jean-Paul