Glen Re: Dornachian reactions?

2003-06-25 Thread Resonant Info
Yes.  There you go again Glen.  But no matter. Seems to me if these 
groups are so irrelevant, why do they survive - I mean, there must be 
some people who think they are still doing something useful.
(I think I remember the Marinus la Rooij name from that book BD 
Perspectives?  I can't remember the details of his articles but I 
thought the book was great - focused on good agricultural and animal 
management practises, not just on the preps.)

This is why quality based certification regardless of production method is
the way of the future.
Absolutely agree with you on this one.  But who judges the quality? 
If you have to go around and try all your certified grower's food - 
it won't be long before there's a group of disaffected people saying 
Glen is a !#$*, his preps don't work and he is old school and out of 
touch.
There needs to be objective measures if the system is to be robust 
and fair - I once thought it would be chromatography, but I was 
mistaken.  You can't look at every apple grown!


.  People are singling out individuals (just re-read recent posts
 in this thread, including your own comments below).
Graeme
Podolinsky is the organisation, just as in NZ there are one or two people
who have 'stolen' the association. It is often the way. One or two people
dominate to the detriment of all others. The system they institute keeps
them there, especially in a association where no one actually meets and AGMs
attract less than 1% of the membership. If they can be identified then name
them.
In NZ we have one Marinus la Rooij being the major stick in the mud here.
Funny thing is he has had several fellow council members ask him to resign,
(as well as his wife), and he has not yet taken the hint. Seems its his
divinely inspired purpose to block any development, and especially my work.
Like dear old Hussein looks like he will have to be removed unceremoniously.
The only question is how much further will the association die before he or
the other members get it. At present it is little more than a cultist club
that lives on all sorts of faith and internal legislation of course. Other
groups are already forming around them, sidestepping them and of course
making them irrelevant. Hughs coming tour for example, the biggest thing to
happen in NZBD in 10 years is organised by these groups.
  What do you do about such situations?  I don't know.
This is why quality based certification regardless of production method is
the way of the future.
Here it is the government organic mark that is screwing organics the most.
At present they have great regs on paper, but no real inspection, and they
are undercutting $ wise 'the peoples mark' BioGro (which is actually only a
little bit better),,  so it will be broke in a couple of years max, then we
are left with only an immoral govt backed joke. Add GE to this and organics
is dead. All we have left is real quality parameters, however you can get
them.
This will have to come from a peoples movement again no doubt.
Glen A


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Re: Glen Re: Dornachian reactions?

2003-06-25 Thread Garuda
Graeme

 Yes.  There you go again Glen.  But no matter. Seems to me if these
 groups are so irrelevant, why do they survive -

Are they /we being all we could be???


 This is why quality based certification regardless of production method
is
 the way of the future.

Twas thingking about this this morning and it may not be that hard.
ie
growers supplies
 a SFW certificate to indicate his soil health
other parameters re brix test and the like
a chroma tography
a mineral and vitamin analysis
or the like

I am sure others have suggestions for this.
Hardly a need for the farm to be inspected. Most enterprises are being
inspected by a govt dept for something now so basic management
environementally etc will be done there

Quality is the key, however you get it.
The market is wide open at present.
GA

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