Re: kaolin spray (Nettle tea for insect repellant)
In a message dated 6/28/02 8:12:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: can someone tell me what is in this kaolin spray besides clay and what kind of sprayer is needed to apply it? Thanks, Jane Hi Jane, this product is derived from kaolinite clay. It has gone through an intense heating process that explodes the individual clay particles so that it does not interfere with light/photosynthesis on the leaf. It has to be used with a sticker designed specifically for the product. It was used early on in the developement stages by some biodynamic orchardists upstate NY. You may apply it from a backpack sprayer or a tractor mounted sprayer...SStorch
Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
Also, has anyone tried kaolin on flea beetles? This finely powdered clay can be sprayed onto the foliage and it seems to foil a lwide variety of insects. It's non-toxic and can be incorporated into compost tea foliar sprays. Anyone try it? Hugh, in the form of kaolin spray that was perfected at the USDA station in Kearneysville and 'premiered' at the Mid-Atlantic Conference a few years back, it is said that it will stop flea beetle damage to eggplant, which says a lot. The last time I talked to those folks, annual crops were not an approved use for the commercial product (Surround?), but I believe I saw ads in ACRES recently that might indicate otherwise. (Besides, who among us still eats eggplant leaves?) -Allan Dear Allan, Thanks. I was there and I thought I heard this more or less out of the corner of my ear. On Mark Fulford's tomatoes the end of last August in Maine he was using kaolin in his compost tea and I saw no flea beetle damage on even the lowest leaves (which were still in great shape!). But I didn't know whether he might otherwise have had flea beetles. As we move further and further into an age of government regulation it should be clear that any new thing introduced into the growing system has to go through a lengthy approval process for each different kind of use. Doesn't matter how harmless it is. The Kearneysville researchers were using kaolin on fruit trees so they only went through this complicated process with fruit trees/bushes. I know of growers who use a tablespoon of sodium bicarbonate in their foliars to conteract the effects of acid rain. Works fine, is non-toxic, cheap, etc. I don't think it has ever been approved. Who would pay to walk it through the approval process? As a kid back when nearly all rural roads were gravel in South Louisiana I used to notice the blackberries near the road where the dust settled were always robust and immaculate, their foliage lasting in fine fettle until frost. But unless a heavy rain had just occurred you had to wash the berries--a small price to pay. Would clay dust vaporized by auto and truck traffic be an approved input? Of course not, but any damn fool kid could see where to pick the best berries. Of course, we didn't think much about how much lead might be in the berries by the roadside. That was definitely not an approved input either. But was it any better to pick on the canal banks where chemical toxins might (probably) have been greater? Remember, this was Louiaiana, the most polluted state in the nation. KInd of goes to show the inainity of these approval and certification processes. They tend to create a false sense of security along with paperwork and wheel spinning, both of which raise the CO2 levels. Oh well, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
Dear Robert, I would get 4 or 5 cans of milky spore and treat little patches, preferably under berry vines and fruit trees where the beetles do their mating and drop to earth to bury their eggs in the sod. Milky spore will spread from there and in about 4 or 5 years you shouldn't have much of any problem any more. Also, has anyone tried kaolin on flea beetles? This finely powdered clay can be sprayed onto the foliage and it seems to foil a lwide variety of insects. It's non-toxic and can be incorporated into compost tea foliar sprays. Anyone try it? Best, Hugh Hugh: I figure I have three acres affected. How much land do you recommend I treat? Thanks, man! -- Robert Farr (540) 668-7160 The Chile Man * An organic farm producing hot sauce marinades, salsas, mustards, and barbecue. * Subscribe to our online newsletter at http://www.thechileman.com * Check out this article about us from The Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/style/food/A8659-2001Jul17.html * Open Houses and Farm Tours throughout the year. See web site for details! Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
Dear Allan, From where we are in Australia it is easy to follow the fear throughout America which must tbe having a major effect on the Astral. If someone over there really wanted to test their radionic ability they could always get a satellite photograph of the East coast of the USA and broadcast the Bach flower remedies Aspen and Mimulus to try and counteract the fear campaign being waged by vested interests in your country. I dont know what the US government reaction would be to this, or what they would do to the person who broadcast that energy for terrorising the government that they may lose the edge in the fear campaign. Having said this myheart goes out to you all in Americaduring the times of troubles that you are going through. I saw tonight on the TV news the terrible fires that are sweeping through the Western states, may the gods protect all those that are in the path of these fires. Sincere regards James Hedley Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant Yes, i'm using the preps, Cheryl. I don't want to seem rude, but, Yes, the atmosphere is out of balance. This past winter our region did not have even one stretch of cold that was long enough to kill adult insects, the way winter has traditionally done here. (Adult insects go dormant in extreme cold. the cold does not kill them, what kills them is their own metabolism. If they cannot feed for x-number of hours, they perish. This winter, the 'bell' always rang for their dormancies before they could die of starvation.) In the spring, emerging hay crops were destroyed by populations of mature insects that normally would not be present for MONTHS later. Given the large number of adult insects, I guess the number of insects total is going to be greater. I'm located about 1 hour outside of the White House. So, Yes, I'd say the astral is screwed up, also!! Thanks! -Allan Allan, have you been using 501 and 508 ? Sounds like the atmosphere/astral is out of balance? Cheryl Kemp Education and Workshop Coordinator BDFGAA Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.biodynamics.net.au
Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
I'm having problems not only with flea beetles but japanese beetles. Any ideas out there? -- Robert Farr (540) 668-7160 The Chile Man * An organic farm producing hot sauce marinades, salsas, mustards, and barbecue. * Subscribe to our online newsletter at http://www.thechileman.com * Check out this article about us from The Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/style/food/A8659-2001Jul17.html * Open Houses and Farm Tours throughout the year. See web site for details! Hey Chili Man, Back when I started farming I had Japanese beetles too. I bought a few cans of milky spore and seeded it into the turf where I could. Now l hardly see Japanese Beetles, while some folks a few miles away still have plagues of them. It's a long range plan, but pretty sure fire. Milky spore is a fungus that infects the beetle larvae. Once present in the soil the larvae tend to get infected and they die rather than hatch into beetles. This creates more spore and in Japan that's what keeps the beetles in check. There's a few--enough to keep teh fungus alive. But not so many because the balance, once struck, persists. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
Hugh: I figure I have three acres affected. How much land do you recommend I treat? Thanks, man! -- Robert Farr (540) 668-7160 The Chile Man * An organic farm producing hot sauce marinades, salsas, mustards, and barbecue. * Subscribe to our online newsletter at http://www.thechileman.com * Check out this article about us from The Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/style/food/A8659-2001Jul17.html * Open Houses and Farm Tours throughout the year. See web site for details!
Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
Just for the record, striped cucumber beetles, from all observations, disappeared from our garden today. Since I never got around to doing much more than thinking about the problem, If someone is responsible for this remediation, please contact me offline and, please, consider doing the same for our Japanese beetle problem which became full blown today. (I caught clusters of as many as 30 beetles in a double hand clap.) Thanks -Allan
Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
Title: Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:00:39 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant James, We are all part of the one and your work is there in the same time frame as mine. In the choice of remedies I'd start with Walnut as the link breaker. It also has great abilities for protection from ones own as well as others negativities. Actually as for broadcasting Steve Storch's trees ought to excel at this work. (hint hint). May just have to set a paper broadcaster up on this tact myself though. possibly a tree who has expressed some interest in a realm of politics. L*L Markess Dear Allan, From where we are in Australia it is easy to follow the fear throughout America which must tbe having a major effect on the Astral. If someone over there really wanted to test their radionic ability they could always get a satellite photograph of the East coast of the USA and broadcast the Bach flower remedies Aspen and Mimulus to try and counteract the fear campaign being waged by vested interests in your country. I dont know what the US government reaction would be to this, or what they would do to the person who broadcast that energy for terrorising the government that they may lose the edge in the fear campaign. Having said this myheart goes out to you all in Americaduring the times of troubles that you are going through. I saw tonight on the TV news the terrible fires that are sweeping through the Western states, may the gods protect all those that are in the path of these fires. Sincere regards James Hedley Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant Yes, i'm using the preps, Cheryl. I don't want to seem rude, but, Yes, the atmosphere is out of balance. This past winter our region did not have even one stretch of cold that was long enough to kill adult insects, the way winter has traditionally done here. (Adult insects go dormant in extreme cold. the cold does not kill them, what kills them is their own metabolism. If they cannot feed for x-number of hours, they perish. This winter, the 'bell' always rang for their dormancies before they could die of starvation.) In the spring, emerging hay crops were destroyed by populations of mature insects that normally would not be present for MONTHS later. Given the large number of adult insects, I guess the number of insects total is going to be greater. I'm located about 1 hour outside of the White House. So, Yes, I'd say the astral is screwed up, also!! Thanks! -Allan Allan, have you been using 501 and 508 ? Sounds like the atmosphere/astral is out of balance? Cheryl Kemp Education and Workshop Coordinator BDFGAA Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.biodynamics.net.au
Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
Title: Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant Part II One of the most interesting parts of this post, though James, is that you are picking up in part flea beetles use psychological tactics on the plants they consume. They tell the plants very convincingly a sob story of how if you don't feed my family we will all parish. I have tried my darndest to talk them pray them out of buying that crap. I never thought of the obviousness of your approach. Got a psyco-plex or emostional-plex: send in the flower remedies. Treat the plants not the symptoms. In Love Light Markess From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:00:39 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant Dear Allan, From where we are in Australia it is easy to follow the fear throughout America which must tbe having a major effect on the Astral. If someone over there really wanted to test their radionic ability they could always get a satellite photograph of the East coast of the USA and broadcast the Bach flower remedies Aspen and Mimulus to try and counteract the fear campaign being waged by vested interests in your country. I dont know what the US government reaction would be to this, or what they would do to the person who broadcast that energy for terrorising the government that they may lose the edge in the fear campaign. Having said this myheart goes out to you all in Americaduring the times of troubles that you are going through. I saw tonight on the TV news the terrible fires that are sweeping through the Western states, may the gods protect all those that are in the path of these fires. Sincere regards James Hedley Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant Yes, i'm using the preps, Cheryl. I don't want to seem rude, but, Yes, the atmosphere is out of balance. This past winter our region did not have even one stretch of cold that was long enough to kill adult insects, the way winter has traditionally done here. (Adult insects go dormant in extreme cold. the cold does not kill them, what kills them is their own metabolism. If they cannot feed for x-number of hours, they perish. This winter, the 'bell' always rang for their dormancies before they could die of starvation.) In the spring, emerging hay crops were destroyed by populations of mature insects that normally would not be present for MONTHS later. Given the large number of adult insects, I guess the number of insects total is going to be greater. I'm located about 1 hour outside of the White House. So, Yes, I'd say the astral is screwed up, also!! Thanks! -Allan Allan, have you been using 501 and 508 ? Sounds like the atmosphere/astral is out of balance? Cheryl Kemp Education and Workshop Coordinator BDFGAA Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.biodynamics.net.au
Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
Allan, have you been using 501 and 508 ? Sounds like the atmosphere/astral is out of balance? Cheryl Kemp Education and Workshop Coordinator BDFGAA Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.biodynamics.net.au - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Nettle tea for insect repellant I was speaking to Hugh Courtney earlier this week and he mentioned that a 'fresh tea' of stinging nettle was an excellent spray to use for control of flea beetles. He said the tea should be made similar to the equisetum recipe for fresh equisetum tea, but that the tea itself should be made as one would make a tea for drinking (ie hot water poured onto leaves which are left to steep as opposed to, I assume, simmering the leaves for 20 minutes) The resulting tea should then be expanded 9:1 with plain water. Anyonsing this tea? Making this tea? Have had success with this tea? My current problem - - one for the whole county - - is massive attacks of cucumber beetles. Any suggestions, aside from peppering? Thanks -Allan
Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
Yes, i'm using the preps, Cheryl. I don't want to seem rude, but, Yes, the atmosphere is out of balance. This past winter our region did not have even one stretch of cold that was long enough to kill adult insects, the way winter has traditionally done here. (Adult insects go dormant in extreme cold. the cold does not kill them, what kills them is their own metabolism. If they cannot feed for x-number of hours, they perish. This winter, the 'bell' always rang for their dormancies before they could die of starvation.) In the spring, emerging hay crops were destroyed by populations of mature insects that normally would not be present for MONTHS later. Given the large number of adult insects, I guess the number of insects total is going to be greater. I'm located about 1 hour outside of the White House. So, Yes, I'd say the astral is screwed up, also!! Thanks! -Allan Allan, have you been using 501 and 508 ? Sounds like the atmosphere/astral is out of balance? Cheryl Kemp Education and Workshop Coordinator BDFGAA Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.biodynamics.net.au
501 and 508 was Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
I am questioning my use of 501, however. We are having light drought and some heat extremes. I look at almost everything and think 'Boy, that's going to bolt if I apply 501 anywhere near it.' Pfeiffer says to apply 501 TWO WEEKS after transplanting and treatment with 500. I usually use 501 in rotations. At that time, I spray the atmosphere and not the plants. When Glen Atkinson here, he brought my attention to actually spraying the plants (as I should have been doing all along.) I'm wondering how and when others on this list handle 501 applications in the summertime. I've got beans blossoming right now and tomatoes in starting their 2nd foot of growth. What about them? Thanks -Allan
Nettle tea for insect repellant
I was speaking to Hugh Courtney earlier this week and he mentioned that a 'fresh tea' of stinging nettle was an excellent spray to use for control of flea beetles. He said the tea should be made similar to the equisetum recipe for fresh equisetum tea, but that the tea itself should be made as one would make a tea for drinking (ie hot water poured onto leaves which are left to steep as opposed to, I assume, simmering the leaves for 20 minutes) The resulting tea should then be expanded 9:1 with plain water. Anyonsing this tea? Making this tea? Have had success with this tea? My current problem - - one for the whole county - - is massive attacks of cucumber beetles. Any suggestions, aside from peppering? Thanks -Allan
Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant
Title: Re: Nettle tea for insect repellant Allan, I've had some good success with Tansy. The top 2-3 in of young growth blended in blender or food processor and diluted out 3 or 4 X as a drench. Good luck their nasty L*L Markess From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 06:01:57 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Nettle tea for insect repellant I was speaking to Hugh Courtney earlier this week and he mentioned that a 'fresh tea' of stinging nettle was an excellent spray to use for control of flea beetles. He said the tea should be made similar to the equisetum recipe for fresh equisetum tea, but that the tea itself should be made as one would make a tea for drinking (ie hot water poured onto leaves which are left to steep as opposed to, I assume, simmering the leaves for 20 minutes) The resulting tea should then be expanded 9:1 with plain water. Anyonsing this tea? Making this tea? Have had success with this tea? My current problem - - one for the whole county - - is massive attacks of cucumber beetles. Any suggestions, aside from peppering? Thanks -Allan
