Re: Cats in compost
Thank you Frank for posting Walt's poem on compost, I have an audio collection of his poetry, with that on it , called back to the creation. I wanted to share it, but didn't have a print version.In the midst of industrial broiler land , here the experts came up with dead bird composting, where thousands of chickens are put in bins( treated wood and layered in with straw. I'm not sure if they add organizms or soil, but they decompose very Quickly.Regular poultry manure in commercial manure is ful of carcasses.WE can tell when the farmers spread the feilds and the dog drags home choice bits. It probably is also an acceptable ingedient in Organic fertilizers (not in mine ,but then I'm not certified and wouldn't want to use the word for fear of being sued or finned. , so I just say I't mine and If you want you can take a class from me and I'll show you how I've been growing for over 30 years.No labels, just mine. when we kill our own rabbits for our own meat, we take the inards into the woods and leave it for the critters .We save the hides for tanning, we put the feathers from the chickensinto the compost ,but not the inards. Tadle sscraps go to the dog or chickens Vegetable kitchen waste go to the rabbits, or to a special vegitarian compost pile we just started this year for starting seedlings I used to get up at arms about the commercial chicken thing, now, I let people be , I just build my own compost, grow as much of our own food as possible., and advise others to do the same. Happy composting:0Sharon PS We love our cats here in spite of the occasional birds they eat, when they die, we bury them with a prayer and usually a marker., same for the dogs, and when our 31 year old horse dies , she'll get a burial too. - Original Message - From: "Frank Teuton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Cats in compost > Prions may or may not be compostable, I don't believe I have seen definitive > studies of the issue. > > Have you followed the alternative theory of Mark Purdey on prion disease as > a form of manganese poisoning? It is interesting... > > Sheep have been known to have scrapie for centuries. The actual incidence of > TSEs remains very small. > > Fear of the unknown is not unreasonable, but neither is it very informed. No > one has fully documented how TSEs actually work, whether they are > transmitted via prion ingestion, or the result of environmental or > nutritional insults sustained by the population of affected creatures > > If we carry the argument of 'meat might have prions' to its ultimate > conclusion, we could say, let us slaughter all of our fellow vertebrates, as > they may carry diseases that might kill some of us. > > Here are the words of Walt Whitman, written in another time and place: > > > > This Compost > > > > 1 > > SOMETHING startles me where I thought I was safest; > I withdraw from the still woods I loved; > I will not go now on the pastures to walk; > I will not strip the clothes from my body to meet my lover the sea; > I will not touch my flesh to the earth, as to other flesh, to renew me. > > O how can it be that the ground does not sicken? > How can you be alive, you growths of spring? > How can you furnish health, you blood of herbs, roots, orchards, grain? > Are they not continually putting distemper'd corpses within you? > Is not every continent work'd over and over with sour dead? > > Where have you disposed of their carcasses? > Those drunkards and gluttons of so many generations; > Where have you drawn off all the foul liquid and meat? > I do not see any of it upon you to-day-or perhaps I am deceiv'd; > I will run a furrow with my plough-I will press my spade through the sod, > and turn it up underneath; > I am sure I shall expose some of the foul meat. > > 2 > > Behold this compost! behold it well! > Perhaps every mite has once form'd part of a sick person-Yet behold! > The grass of spring covers the prairies, > The bean bursts noislessly through the mould in the garden, > The delicate spear of the onion pierces upward, > The apple-buds cluster together on the apple-branches, > The resurrection of the wheat appears with pale visage out of its graves, > The tinge awakes over the willow-tree and the mulberry-tree, > The he-birds carol mornings and evenings, while the she-birds sit on their > nests, > The young of poultry break through the hatch'd eggs, > The new-born of animals appear-the calf is dropt from the cow, the colt from > the mare, > Out of its little hill faithfully rise the potato's dark green leaves, > Out of its hill rises the yellow maize-stalk-the lilacs bloom in the >
Re: Cats in compost
Prions may or may not be compostable, I don't believe I have seen definitive studies of the issue. Have you followed the alternative theory of Mark Purdey on prion disease as a form of manganese poisoning? It is interesting... Sheep have been known to have scrapie for centuries. The actual incidence of TSEs remains very small. Fear of the unknown is not unreasonable, but neither is it very informed. No one has fully documented how TSEs actually work, whether they are transmitted via prion ingestion, or the result of environmental or nutritional insults sustained by the population of affected creatures If we carry the argument of 'meat might have prions' to its ultimate conclusion, we could say, let us slaughter all of our fellow vertebrates, as they may carry diseases that might kill some of us. Here are the words of Walt Whitman, written in another time and place: This Compost 1 SOMETHING startles me where I thought I was safest; I withdraw from the still woods I loved; I will not go now on the pastures to walk; I will not strip the clothes from my body to meet my lover the sea; I will not touch my flesh to the earth, as to other flesh, to renew me. O how can it be that the ground does not sicken? How can you be alive, you growths of spring? How can you furnish health, you blood of herbs, roots, orchards, grain? Are they not continually putting distemper'd corpses within you? Is not every continent work'd over and over with sour dead? Where have you disposed of their carcasses? Those drunkards and gluttons of so many generations; Where have you drawn off all the foul liquid and meat? I do not see any of it upon you to-day-or perhaps I am deceiv'd; I will run a furrow with my plough-I will press my spade through the sod, and turn it up underneath; I am sure I shall expose some of the foul meat. 2 Behold this compost! behold it well! Perhaps every mite has once form'd part of a sick person-Yet behold! The grass of spring covers the prairies, The bean bursts noislessly through the mould in the garden, The delicate spear of the onion pierces upward, The apple-buds cluster together on the apple-branches, The resurrection of the wheat appears with pale visage out of its graves, The tinge awakes over the willow-tree and the mulberry-tree, The he-birds carol mornings and evenings, while the she-birds sit on their nests, The young of poultry break through the hatch'd eggs, The new-born of animals appear-the calf is dropt from the cow, the colt from the mare, Out of its little hill faithfully rise the potato's dark green leaves, Out of its hill rises the yellow maize-stalk-the lilacs bloom in the door-yards; The summer growth is innocent and disdainful above all those strata of sour dead. What chemistry! That the winds are really not infectious, That this is no cheat, this transparent green-wash of the sea, which is so amorous after me, That it is safe to allow it to lick my naked body all over with its tongues, That it will not endanger me with the fevers that have deposited themselves in it, That all is clean forever and forever. That the cool drink from the well tastes so good, That blackberries are so flavorous and juicy, That the fruits of the apple-orchard, and of the orange-orchard-that melons, grapes, peaches, plums, will none of them poison me, That when I recline on the grass I do not catch any disease, Though probably every spear of grass rises out of what was once a catching disease. 3 Now I am terrified at the Earth! it is that calm and patient, It grows such sweet things out of such corruptions, It turns harmless and stainless on its axis, with such endless successions of diseas'd corpses, It distils such exquisite winds out of such infused fetor, It renews with such unwitting looks, its prodigal, annual, sumptuous crops, It gives such divine materials to men, and accepts such leavings from them at last Frank Teuton---thinking he will continue to run the 'beau risque' of living with the animals on earth, rather than kill them all out of fear, fear of this or that misunderstood disease (Mad Cow, West Nile virus, etc...) - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Cats in compost > Leaving aside that permaculture unfortunately often adopts the typical human > way of intervening: Killing indiscriminately and without displaying any > passion, empathy, wisdom or kindness (a bit like spraying pesticides to get > rid of noxious weeds): > Prions are not compostable. And if prion diseases in addition to mad > deer, mad cow exist, who knows what the result of composting meat will be. > Kathy > >
Re: Cats in compost
In a message dated 9/12/02 9:09:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The reason I found it unusual is that I have read in many places that meat (I suppose they meant cooked meat) should *not* be composted. I'm not quite sure why this advice was given. >> they tell you this for folks that compost in the suburbs or in the city. I personally pick up roadkill deer, coons,, possum etc to feed the compost. The fats, meat [protein] and amino acids are excellent food for bacteria, protozoa, and fungus...sstorch
Re: Cats in compost
Leaving aside that permaculture unfortunately often adopts the typical human way of intervening: Killing indiscriminately and without displaying any passion, empathy, wisdom or kindness (a bit like spraying pesticides to get rid of noxious weeds): Prions are not compostable. And if prion diseases in addition to mad deer, mad cow exist, who knows what the result of composting meat will be. Kathy
Re: Cats in compost
The reason meat is usually on the no-no list is that it can putrefy, smell bad and attract 'vectors' (undesirable critters from flies to bears). Nonetheless it can be composted. Doing a google search for 'on farm mortality composting' will get you some interesting hits. Critters decompose, but need some extra attention to avoid problems. Frank Teuton - Original Message - From: "Stacey Elin Rossi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Cats in compost > The reason I found it unusual is that I have read in > many places that meat (I suppose they meant cooked > meat) should *not* be composted. > > I'm not quite sure why this advice was given. > > > > > Sure, waste not want not! That is along with snakes, > > rats, fish heads, > > oyster shells, prawn heads, lobster shells, egg > > shells, telephone > > directories, newspapers, junk mail and anything else > > that is available. > > > > Cats are a very serious feral animal here. Most > > Permaculture properties > > have a cat trap. Should I ever get off my back side > > and write the book > > on caring for the land I am pressed to do, I may > > call it "One hundred > > and one ways to compost a cat". > > > > Gil > > > > Stacey Elin Rossi wrote: > > > > > Do I have this right, Gil? You put an occassional > > > dead cat in your compost??? > > > > > = > @@@ > Stacey Elin Rossi > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://zip.to/anaserene > @@@ > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com >
Re: Cats in compost
The reason I found it unusual is that I have read in many places that meat (I suppose they meant cooked meat) should *not* be composted. I'm not quite sure why this advice was given. > Sure, waste not want not! That is along with snakes, > rats, fish heads, > oyster shells, prawn heads, lobster shells, egg > shells, telephone > directories, newspapers, junk mail and anything else > that is available. > > Cats are a very serious feral animal here. Most > Permaculture properties > have a cat trap. Should I ever get off my back side > and write the book > on caring for the land I am pressed to do, I may > call it "One hundred > and one ways to compost a cat". > > Gil > > Stacey Elin Rossi wrote: > > > Do I have this right, Gil? You put an occassional > > dead cat in your compost??? > = @@@ Stacey Elin Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://zip.to/anaserene @@@ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com
Re: Cats in compost
Sure, waste not want not! That is along with snakes, rats, fish heads, oyster shells, prawn heads, lobster shells, egg shells, telephone directories, newspapers, junk mail and anything else that is available. Cats are a very serious feral animal here. Most Permaculture properties have a cat trap. Should I ever get off my back side and write the book on caring for the land I am pressed to do, I may call it "One hundred and one ways to compost a cat". Gil Stacey Elin Rossi wrote: > Do I have this right, Gil? You put an occassional > dead cat in your compost???
Re: Cats in compost
I put the occasional dead calf in my compost heaps !! Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Stacey Elin Rossi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: Cats in compost > Do I have this right, Gil? You put an occassional > dead cat in your compost??? > > Stacey > > > > > Hi! Cheryl & Lloyd > > I have three of those black plastic worm farms that > > look like a stack of > > fish bins. I am careful that no citrus skins, onion > > peel or other > > "strong" things go in there. The worms work fine and > > produce lots of > > nice castings. I then have a mouldering compost that > > takes the rest of > > the kitchen rubbish, along with fish scraps, a bit > > of chook poo and what > > ever else is needed to keep it going. This takes the > > citrus etc, along > > with the odd feral cat and any road kill that is > > convenient. Then I have > > the serious compost pens, made from non returnable > > pallets. This > > produces the main compost. I also have a Clivus > > Multrum waterless > > composting toilet, that takes all that passes > > through us, plus lots of > > wood shavings/ saw dust. This must be buried under > > the drip line of > > fruit trees and not have root veg grown in it for > > one year. I actually > > put worms and Preps in all of these and the worms > > seem to survive quite > > well, I think they are tougher than we think. > > > > Gil > > > > Cheryl Kemp wrote: > > > > > Thanks to Gil and Lloyd for the interesting info > > on posts for the > > > chook yard and orchard.Now I need some help with > > orange skins in the > > > compost heap. A question from a schoolas they have > > losts of skins > > > every day, is it ok to compost or will they kill > > off all the worms?I > > > know worms dont like too much citrus peels and > > onions.Any suggestions > > > as to how to get rid of the citrus skins?Cheryl > > Kemp > > > Education and Workshop Coordinator > > > BDFGAA > > > Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 > > > Home: 02 6657 5306 > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > web: www.biodynamics.net.au > > > > > = > @@@ > Stacey Elin Rossi > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://zip.to/anaserene > @@@ > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com >
