Re: GAIA
HI Eric, I don't know much about the Haidas' "old clairvoyance", but, I have participated in a ceremony blessing a cedar tree about to be carved into a totem pole. They take cedar boughs and swish them back and forth (I participated in this) to cleanse and they performed a couple of chants and one dance. Normally, it is a 3 day event, but, it was condensed to 30 min. We were filmed and I got into the local paper. I know that the Haida have one tree that is an "albino" cedar or spruce. It is treated sacredly by the people in Haida G'uai as they call their Islands. There is some connection with the Haida and some Hawai'ians who came there many centuries ago. As for the "ground on the back of the turtle", most aboriginies in North America refer to North America as the Land of the Turtle. Must go back to some legend. I'm glad that Don and Eve mentioned something positive about me!! Hope to see you guys in the next while. Hopefully, you can give me a little noticeCheers, Michael - Original Message - From: Eric Myren To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 6:56 AM Subject: Re: GAIA Some native American cultures believe that the ground we stand on is on the back of a turtle.'Michael do you have any knowledge of the Hieda and their truth regarding the old growth Cedar trees?'I do not have much experience with nature spirits, some not much.Here is what D. Cruse had to say when I questioned him about the Taoist belief that THE WAY to live fully was through total union with NATURE. I am sure this is "old hat" to most on the list."Steiner expanded on the past with a scientifically disciplined clairvoyance.Ancient world views are the result of a past non-critical level of spiritualawareness, that which Barfield called 'original participation'; whatSteiner's work represents is the beginning of 'final participation' in whichwe take the scientific method that we have learned in relation to NATURE andapply it now to the the SPIRIT (which is the inside of nature). His work,therefore, is the beginning of something completely new where spiritualityis concerned." - D. CruseMaybe Eve will get him to read this and he might have more to say?PeaceEricOn Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 08:41 PM, Spiritual Renaissance Center wrote: That was really good about the heart, that 60% of the cells are neuro cells, not muscle. I happened to be near farm fields where they were spraying chlorinated hydrocarbons, nerve agents. My heart was hurting and I thought of Joseph Chilton Pearce's writing.Also, concerning GAIA, do any of the people working with the Nature Beings have insights. At Findhorn they said large geographical areas have angels, and in the book Ephesus, Giants Work with the Large Land Masses? Dora Van Gelder wrote that Trees have intelligences (kind of like Lord of the Rings). Anyone encounter an earth being like a GAIA? Did Steiner write about it? Didn't he compare the Universe to a human body?Timothy H.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>>"This is just a personal belief and may not be Anthroposophical innature.The Earth's soul appears to mirror that of our own."PeaceEric<<Hi Eric, anthroposophical is as anthroposophical does. Check out Joseph Chilton Pearce's cutting edge elucidations of research in neurocardiology. The holographic heart is not just microcosmic of the earth's radiant energy. Man, you don't know how right you are!warmthjeffhttp://www.labouroflove.org/Education/Joseph%20Chilton%20Pearce%20-%20Interview.htm
Re: GAIA
Simple ways to deal with the common human problems brought up below ; Yoga, Qigong, Eurithemy, rigorous Biodynamic farming practice, picking up garbage. Therein lay some pathways to Gaia. peace eric p.s. I am off line for 9 days, be seeing you... On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 12:45 AM, The Korrows wrote: The Gaia concept is as old as consciousness. It seems odd to western society because we are so detached from the inerturnings of the world & are caught up in our "superior intellectual pursuits". One can not find Gaia in intellectual pursuits. The truth is that we all have experience with nature spirits. We may not have much experience with lets say trucking, but it is never the less an integral part of our lives which affects us every day. Foods, hardware, mail etc. Now if you wanted to find out about trucking you could go about it. Research, talking to truckers, mechanics, one could even get a job at it to understand it better. But Nature Spirits Oh my gosh, what a mystery!! In fact it is no different, less common or difficult to understand than trucking. Most people are not even aware that they are incredibly shallow breathers until it is pointed out to them, or that they walk off balance with one food pointed out or in, or even that they have no control over their thoughts, they can't turn them off. Nature Spirits/Gaia is not even a concept. It's like a bunch of people sitting around trying to talk about Chris (me) as a concept. It doesn't make sense. But if they meet me, well that makes sense (well maybe not) The trick with Gaia is that it is an attention. Step out in the woods and focus your attention on nature spirits and they're just simply there. The real problem that we face is not in seeing/feeling Nature Spirits but in turning off the drumming in our heads that we have been thought that they do not exist. Peace, Chris
Re: GAIA
The Gaia concept is as old as consciousness. It seems odd to western society because we are so detached from the inerturnings of the world & are caught up in our "superior intellectual pursuits". One can not find Gaia in intellectual pursuits. The truth is that we all have experience with nature spirits. We may not have much experience with lets say trucking, but it is never the less an integral part of our lives which affects us every day. Foods, hardware, mail etc. Now if you wanted to find out about trucking you could go about it. Research, talking to truckers, mechanics, one could even get a job at it to understand it better. But Nature Spirits Oh my gosh, what a mystery!! In fact it is no different, less common or difficult to understand than trucking. Most people are not even aware that they are incredibly shallow breathers until it is pointed out to them, or that they walk off balance with one food pointed out or in, or even that they have no control over their thoughts, they can't turn them off. Nature Spirits/Gaia is not even a concept. It's like a bunch of people sitting around trying to talk about Chris (me) as a concept. It doesn't make sense. But if they meet me, well that makes sense (well maybe not) The trick with Gaia is that it is an attention. Step out in the woods and focus your attention on nature spirits and they're just simply there. The real problem that we face is not in seeing/feeling Nature Spirits but in turning off the drumming in our heads that we have been thought that they do not exist. Peace, Chris Some native American cultures believe that the ground we stand on is on the back of a turtle.'Michael do you have any knowledge of the Hieda and their truth regarding the old growth Cedar trees?'I do not have much experience with nature spirits, some not much.Here is what D. Cruse had to say when I questioned him about the Taoist belief that THE WAY to live fully was through total union with NATURE. I am sure this is "old hat" to most on the list."Steiner expanded on the past with a scientifically disciplined clairvoyance.Ancient world views are the result of a past non-critical level of spiritualawareness, that which Barfield called 'original participation'; whatSteiner's work represents is the beginning of 'final participation' in whichwe take the scientific method that we have learned in relation to NATURE andapply it now to the the SPIRIT (which is the inside of nature). His work,therefore, is the beginning of something completely new where spiritualityis concerned." - D. CruseMaybe Eve will get him to read this and he might have more to say?PeaceEricOn Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 08:41 PM, Spiritual Renaissance Center wrote: That was really good about the heart, that 60% of the cells are neuro cells, not muscle. I happened to be near farm fields where they were spraying chlorinated hydrocarbons, nerve agents. My heart was hurting and I thought of Joseph Chilton Pearce's writing.Also, concerning GAIA, do any of the people working with the Nature Beings have insights. At Findhorn they said large geographical areas have angels, and in the book Ephesus, Giants Work with the Large Land Masses? Dora Van Gelder wrote that Trees have intelligences (kind of like Lord of the Rings). Anyone encounter an earth being like a GAIA? Did Steiner write about it? Didn't he compare the Universe to a human body?Timothy H.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>>"This is just a personal belief and may not be Anthroposophical innature.The Earth's soul appears to mirror that of our own."PeaceEric<
Re: GAIA
From: Eric Myren Here is what D. Cruse had to say when I questioned him about the Taoist belief that THE WAY to live fully was through total union with NATURE. I am sure this is "old hat" to most on the list. Hi Eric - dont be so sure about that, any time you can post on the spiritual side in a manner that is understandable to the normal guy in the street , please do, You will get my attention every time, most of those type posts that come here are way over my head and I'm sure there are many like me (they dont say much about it). Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: GAIA
Some native American cultures believe that the ground we stand on is on the back of a turtle. 'Michael do you have any knowledge of the Hieda and their truth regarding the old growth Cedar trees?' I do not have much experience with nature spirits, some not much. Here is what D. Cruse had to say when I questioned him about the Taoist belief that THE WAY to live fully was through total union with NATURE. I am sure this is "old hat" to most on the list. "Steiner expanded on the past with a scientifically disciplined clairvoyance. Ancient world views are the result of a past non-critical level of spiritual awareness, that which Barfield called 'original participation'; what Steiner's work represents is the beginning of 'final participation' in which we take the scientific method that we have learned in relation to NATURE and apply it now to the the SPIRIT (which is the inside of nature). His work, therefore, is the beginning of something completely new where spirituality is concerned."- D. Cruse Maybe Eve will get him to read this and he might have more to say? Peace Eric On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 08:41 PM, Spiritual Renaissance Center wrote: That was really good about the heart, that 60% of the cells are neuro cells, not muscle. I happened to be near farm fields where they were spraying chlorinated hydrocarbons, nerve agents. My heart was hurting and I thought of Joseph Chilton Pearce's writing. Also, concerning GAIA, do any of the people working with the Nature Beings have insights. At Findhorn they said large geographical areas have angels, and in the book Ephesus, Giants Work with the Large Land Masses? Dora Van Gelder wrote that Trees have intelligences (kind of like Lord of the Rings). Anyone encounter an earth being like a GAIA? Did Steiner write about it? Didn't he compare the Universe to a human body? Timothy H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>"This is just a personal belief and may not be Anthroposophical in nature. The Earth's soul appears to mirror that of our own." Peace Eric<< Hi Eric, anthroposophical is as anthroposophical does. Check out Joseph Chilton Pearce's cutting edge elucidations of research in neurocardiology. The holographic heart is not just microcosmic of the earth's radiant energy. Man, you don't know how right you are! warmth jeff http://www.labouroflove.org/Education/Joseph%20Chilton%20Pearce%20-%20Interview.htm
Re: GAIA
That was really good about the heart, that 60% of the cells are neuro cells, not muscle. I happened to be near farm fields where they were spraying chlorinated hydrocarbons, nerve agents. My heart was hurting and I thought of Joseph Chilton Pearce's writing. Also, concerning GAIA, do any of the people working with the Nature Beings have insights. At Findhorn they said large geographical areas have angels, and in the book Ephesus, Giants Work with the Large Land Masses? Dora Van Gelder wrote that Trees have intelligences (kind of like Lord of the Rings). Anyone encounter an earth being like a GAIA? Did Steiner write about it? Didn't he compare the Universe to a human body? Timothy H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>"This is just a personal belief and may not be Anthroposophical in nature. The Earth's soul appears to mirror that of our own." Peace Eric<< Hi Eric, anthroposophical is as anthroposophical does. Check out Joseph Chilton Pearce's cutting edge elucidations of research in neurocardiology. The holographic heart is not just microcosmic of the earth's radiant energy. Man, you don't know how right you are! warmth jeff http://www.labouroflove.org/Education/Joseph%20Chilton%20Pearce%20-%20Interview.htm
Re: GAIA
>>"This is just a personal belief and may not be Anthroposophical in nature. The Earth's soul appears to mirror that of our own." Peace Eric<< Hi Eric, anthroposophical is as anthroposophical does. Check out Joseph Chilton Pearce's cutting edge elucidations of research in neurocardiology. The holographic heart is not just microcosmic of the earth's radiant energy. Man, you don't know how right you are! warmth jeff http://www.labouroflove.org/Education/Joseph%20Chilton%20Pearce%20-%20Interview.htm
Re: GAIA
This is just a personal belief and may not be Anthroposophical in nature. The Earth's soul appears to mirror that of our own. Peace Eric On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 01:29 PM, Garuda wrote: While James Lovelock did recant his hypothesis to regain some standing in the scientific community he then restated it again GA - Original Message - From: "Spiritual Renaissance Center" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BDNOW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: GAIA Does anyone have thoughts on the Gaia Hypothesis? Thanks. Timothy H. In the 1970s the British scientist James Lovelock formulated the Gaia hypothesis, which has attracted many followers. According to this theory, named after the Greek goddess of the earth, the planet behaves like a single living organism. Lovelock postulated that the earth, like many organisms, can regulate its temperature, dispose of its wastes, and fight off disease. Although the Gaia hypothesis serves as a convenient metaphor for the interconnections among living beings, it does not have any particular scientific merit.
Re: GAIA
While James Lovelock did recant his hypothesis to regain some standing in the scientific community he then restated it again GA - Original Message - From: "Spiritual Renaissance Center" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BDNOW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: GAIA > Does anyone have thoughts on the Gaia Hypothesis? > > Thanks. > > Timothy H. > > In the 1970s the British scientist James Lovelock formulated the Gaia > hypothesis, which has attracted many followers. According to this > theory, named after the Greek goddess of the earth, the planet behaves > like a single living organism. Lovelock postulated that the earth, like > many organisms, can regulate its temperature, dispose of its wastes, and > fight off disease. Although the Gaia hypothesis serves as a convenient > metaphor for the interconnections among living beings, it does not have > any particular scientific merit. >
Re: GAIA
Dear Tim: --- Spiritual Renaissance Center <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone have thoughts on the Gaia Hypothesis? > > Thanks. > > Timothy H. > > In the 1970s the British scientist James Lovelock formulated the Gaia > hypothesis, which has attracted many followers. According to this > theory, named after the Greek goddess of the earth, the planet behaves > like a single living organism. Lovelock postulated that the earth, like > many organisms, can regulate its temperature, dispose of its wastes, and > fight off disease. Although the Gaia hypothesis serves as a convenient > metaphor for the interconnections among living beings, it does not have > any particular scientific merit. Sure. The Earth _is_ a living organism; a spiritual being (as are all beings) whose body is the planet. If the Gaia hypothesis does not have any scientific merit, that just shows how far into materialistic superstition modern science has descended. Willful ignorance sums it up, in my opinion, since there's more than enough evidence from simple observation of life's own processes, as we live them. For instance, since _we_ are alive, and we are so much part of the Earth and everything else that is alive upon and within it, the Earth is, ipso facto, alive. Best Wishes, Stephen > = "The only thing I regret about my past is the length of it. If I had to live my life again I'd make the same mistakes, only sooner." - Tallulah Bankhead "Criminal: A person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation." - Clarence Darrow "Those who cannot hear the music think that the dancer is mad." - Rumi "The victim who is able to articulate the situation of the victim has ceased to be a victim ? he or she has become a threat." - James Baldwin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
