Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Hi Chris, thanks for the memory jog! Seems like our Markess was the only one who expressed concern for tying up the resources of the tree so I guess I'll have to ask him why he thinks that? Blessings, jane - Original Message - From: "Chris Shade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...) Jane, I was figuring on the void being the universal source, but am not really sure of what terminology to use at this point. I know that it fells like the heavy energy sinks (feminine) and the light energy rises (masculine) and in the middle something new is generated (son/product) so I guess it is a life ether type of thing. As far as tree as broadcaster, the thread was called "Tree as Cosmic Pipe" and was around July. You yourself had a few postings. I copied a few to jog your memory. Chris >First orient the tree. Say: ''In accordance with >God's will and the >Christ >Jesus let this tree have its proper orientation in >the ground for it's best possible future growth" Place the vials as such: north +500 in ground +++west 501 up in tree++east 508 in ground +++south +++barrel compost, in ground The tree has an energy field that inhales and exhales in a daily rhythm as does the earth. The preparations placed in this energy field are broadcast similarly to the cosmic pipe, but in the living realm and must be assisted with real stirring and spraying. I ask my trees to do a sequential spraying for rain the week of every full moon during the growing season, it works like a charm as long as I commune with the tree's spirit. sstorch Thanks for getting this thread going Christy! And to all who are contributing much 'preparation' for thought... JS - Original Message - From: "The Korrows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Tree as cosmic pipe <> am thinking the preps were buried with each one in a specific direction... In light of the discussion this past week, I wonder how some pre-stirred preps might work more effectively for this type of work. I know this is a general description. Hope this helps.Christy Markess writes, <<"can they (the trees) get all their other work done if the are tied up doing pipe work?">> Christy writes: I have just finished reading some talks by Manfred Klett about the preps. He makes the point that we, as human beings making preparations are taking substances as they naturally occur in nature, and combining them to bring them to a higher state of evolutionary capability. We create a seed or germinal substance. Steiner talked about domesticated animals. He said that as we properly care for them, we are allowing them to fullfill what and who they are in their evolutionary process.Some of those against keeping farm animals would disagree. They might think the animals are enslaved to humanity. ( of course we are not talking about factory farming here, but instead a biodynamic ideal.)It is a gift from the human being to the animal when the animal has this opportunity to serve. The animal also receives love in return for what it is offering. To use a tree as a tool to emminate the preparations, I can't see where this would make a tree tired. If the person involved has a loving attitude, and is working for the betterment of all life, the tree will be lifted up, as Manfred Klett talked about, to a higher stage in its evolutionary process. This is something that would not have come into existance with out the human activity.I do not talk to trees, so I can not speak for a tree nessecarily! But I do know that nature spirits want to work with us in a co creative way. I don't feel a tree has a finite amount of energy, I imagine it has a constant life force pouring out, regardless of what is burried around it. If the preps are buried around the tree, the life force pours out of the tree, and sweeps along with it what ever is in its path, on out into the atmosphere and the soil. The tree does not have to generate more life force to broadcast the preps. It all happens naturally. If anything, the energy of the preps surrounding the tree would increase the life force of the tree, thus creating a mutual magnification of positive prep energy. Christy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Dear Gil--Please tell us who Frank Moody is. Gil Robertson wrote: > Is the Tree's "doorway" (as promoted by Frank Moody) involved? > > Gil
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Jane, I was figuring on the void being the universal source, but am not really sure of what terminology to use at this point. I know that it fells like the heavy energy sinks (feminine) and the light energy rises (masculine) and in the middle something new is generated (son/product) so I guess it is a life ether type of thing. As far as tree as broadcaster, the thread was called "Tree as Cosmic Pipe" and was around July. You yourself had a few postings. I copied a few to jog your memory. Chris >First orient the tree. Say: ''In accordance with >God's will and the >Christ >Jesus let this tree have its proper orientation in >the ground for it's best possible future growth" Place the vials as such: north +500 in ground +++west 501 up in tree++east 508 in ground +++south +++barrel compost, in ground The tree has an energy field that inhales and exhales in a daily rhythm as does the earth. The preparations placed in this energy field are broadcast similarly to the cosmic pipe, but in the living realm and must be assisted with real stirring and spraying. I ask my trees to do a sequential spraying for rain the week of every full moon during the growing season, it works like a charm as long as I commune with the tree's spirit. sstorch Thanks for getting this thread going Christy! And to all who are contributing much 'preparation' for thought... JS - Original Message - From: "The Korrows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Tree as cosmic pipe <> am thinking the preps were buried with each one in a specific direction... In light of the discussion this past week, I wonder how some pre-stirred preps might work more effectively for this type of work. I know this is a general description. Hope this helps.Christy Markess writes, <<"can they (the trees) get all their other work done if the are tied up doing pipe work?">> Christy writes: I have just finished reading some talks by Manfred Klett about the preps. He makes the point that we, as human beings making preparations are taking substances as they naturally occur in nature, and combining them to bring them to a higher state of evolutionary capability. We create a seed or germinal substance. Steiner talked about domesticated animals. He said that as we properly care for them, we are allowing them to fullfill what and who they are in their evolutionary process.Some of those against keeping farm animals would disagree. They might think the animals are enslaved to humanity. ( of course we are not talking about factory farming here, but instead a biodynamic ideal.)It is a gift from the human being to the animal when the animal has this opportunity to serve. The animal also receives love in return for what it is offering. To use a tree as a tool to emminate the preparations, I can't see where this would make a tree tired. If the person involved has a loving attitude, and is working for the betterment of all life, the tree will be lifted up, as Manfred Klett talked about, to a higher stage in its evolutionary process. This is something that would not have come into existance with out the human activity.I do not talk to trees, so I can not speak for a tree nessecarily! But I do know that nature spirits want to work with us in a co creative way. I don't feel a tree has a finite amount of energy, I imagine it has a constant life force pouring out, regardless of what is burried around it. If the preps are buried around the tree, the life force pours out of the tree, and sweeps along with it what ever is in its path, on out into the atmosphere and the soil. The tree does not have to generate more life force to broadcast the preps. It all happens naturally. If anything, the energy of the preps surrounding the tree would increase the life force of the tree, thus creating a mutual magnification of positive prep energy. Christy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Chris, Gil, James et al, I don't recall reading on this list in discussion about trees as broadcasters that this was an additional burden on the trees. Do you recall who's post that was? Also, don't you think those tai chi practitioners are using chi from universal source, and not Nature, nor the void? Jane - Original Message - From: "Chris Shade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...) Jane, A few months back there was a discussion about using trees as broadcasters for preps and a few people wrote in their impressions as well as tree spirit's impressions and the general conclusion was that the trees had to do the work in addition to everything else they do. I was not really worried that Tai Chi practitioners would suck the life from all the trees, but that the effect could not really be dependent on good "spare chi" from living things in nature. Rather the practitioner must be able at some level to pull energy out of the void. Given the number of good TaiChi people in big cities, nature must not be the only source. Chris
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Dear gil, There is a very interesting anecdote of Frank Moody which may indicate that trees can not only act as transmitters , but also may have some extra form of consciousness than most people would attribute to them. The story goes like this: Frank was called in to see what was the problem in the 19 story Price Waterhouse building in Auckland. Staff absenteeism and illness was way above what you would reasonably expect. Initial indications led Frank to believe that the building had been built on a geopathic stress point, however this did not prove to be the case. He drew a diagram of the area and dowsed that the problem was emanating from a large tree that had been left in front of the building with a staghorn fern tied to it. Also the electricity main conduit ran through the roots of the tree. The deva of the tree was feeling pretty malevolent towards these people who were parasites in it's energy field. A short discussion with the deva indicated that if Frank removed the staghorn fern, tied some of the right coloured embroidery cottons, cut to the right lengths around the electrical conduit out of the transformer, the deva would be happy. The result was that after that everyone agreed that the building was a very pleasant environment to work in, and absenteeism was reduced to virtually nil. Just a few pieces of cotton in the most judicious place was enough to stop the radiation problems of the electromagnetic fields from the computers and to counteract the effects on the deva. Had you heard that story. Maybe you have some other of Frank Moody's exploits that you could share. Look forward to seeingyou again soon. James - Original Message - From: "Gil Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...) > I am familiar with research identifying some trees working as receiving antenna > and used a digital multimeter to see that this seems to be the case, but have > not come across any on them acting as a transmitter, but do not question it > could be the case. Has anyone got some actual experiments to share or are we in > conjecture? > > Has anyone looked at the relationship between the particular tree and earth > energy occurrences? > > Is it speculated to be specie specific or location specific? > > How and where are the Preps placed? > > Is the Tree's "doorway" (as promoted by Frank Moody) involved? > > Gil > > jsherry wrote: > > > Hi Tony & Chris et al, > > I do not "get" how using a tree as a broadcaster would be "taking over a > > tree". Why wouldn't the preps act as a nourishment for the tree at the same > > time that it is 'doing' what it always does? Isn't a tree always > > broadcasting in a sense? > > > > Jane > > - Original Message - > > From: "Anthony Nelson-Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:36 AM > > Subject: Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...) > > > > Chris - Yes, I get your point about taking over a tree to act as a > > broadcaster. My main thought, as a rather junior practictioner of T'ai > > Chi - Chi Gung, was that the Chi has to come from somewhere and I'm not > > really harming the natural environment as a whole in my practice by drawing > > it in, especially as at least a large proportion of it is quickly released. > > There must be a limit to the amount that can be stored - and can one be said > > to destroy it by using it ?Tony N-S. > >
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Jane, A few months back there was a discussion about using trees as broadcasters for preps and a few people wrote in their impressions as well as tree spirit's impressions and the general conclusion was that the trees had to do the work in addition to everything else they do. I was not really worried that Tai Chi practitioners would suck the life from all the trees, but that the effect could not really be dependent on good "spare chi" from living things in nature. Rather the practitioner must be able at some level to pull energy out of the void. Given the number of good TaiChi people in big cities, nature must not be the only source. Chris --- jsherry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Tony & Chris et al, > I do not "get" how using a tree as a broadcaster > would be "taking over a > tree". Why wouldn't the preps act as a nourishment > for the tree at the same > time that it is 'doing' what it always does? Isn't a > tree always > broadcasting in a sense? > > Jane > - Original Message - > From: "Anthony Nelson-Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: Gathering Chi (was re: > agrisynthesis...) > > > Chris - Yes, I get your point about taking over a > tree to act as a > broadcaster. My main thought, as a rather junior > practictioner of T'ai > Chi - Chi Gung, was that the Chi has to come from > somewhere and I'm not > really harming the natural environment as a whole in > my practice by drawing > it in, especially as at least a large proportion of > it is quickly released. > There must be a limit to the amount that can be > stored - and can one be said > to destroy it by using it ? > Tony N-S. > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
I am familiar with research identifying some trees working as receiving antenna and used a digital multimeter to see that this seems to be the case, but have not come across any on them acting as a transmitter, but do not question it could be the case. Has anyone got some actual experiments to share or are we in conjecture? Has anyone looked at the relationship between the particular tree and earth energy occurrences? Is it speculated to be specie specific or location specific? How and where are the Preps placed? Is the Tree's "doorway" (as promoted by Frank Moody) involved? Gil jsherry wrote: > Hi Tony & Chris et al, > I do not "get" how using a tree as a broadcaster would be "taking over a > tree". Why wouldn't the preps act as a nourishment for the tree at the same > time that it is 'doing' what it always does? Isn't a tree always > broadcasting in a sense? > > Jane > - Original Message - > From: "Anthony Nelson-Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...) > > Chris - Yes, I get your point about taking over a tree to act as a > broadcaster. My main thought, as a rather junior practictioner of T'ai > Chi - Chi Gung, was that the Chi has to come from somewhere and I'm not > really harming the natural environment as a whole in my practice by drawing > it in, especially as at least a large proportion of it is quickly released. > There must be a limit to the amount that can be stored - and can one be said > to destroy it by using it ?Tony N-S.
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Hi Tony & Chris et al, I do not "get" how using a tree as a broadcaster would be "taking over a tree". Why wouldn't the preps act as a nourishment for the tree at the same time that it is 'doing' what it always does? Isn't a tree always broadcasting in a sense? Jane - Original Message - From: "Anthony Nelson-Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...) Chris - Yes, I get your point about taking over a tree to act as a broadcaster. My main thought, as a rather junior practictioner of T'ai Chi - Chi Gung, was that the Chi has to come from somewhere and I'm not really harming the natural environment as a whole in my practice by drawing it in, especially as at least a large proportion of it is quickly released. There must be a limit to the amount that can be stored - and can one be said to destroy it by using it ?Tony N-S.
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Chris - Yes, I get your point about taking over a tree to act as a broadcaster. My main thought, as a rather junior practictioner of T'ai Chi - Chi Gung, was that the Chi has to come from somewhere and I'm not really harming the natural environment as a whole in my practice by drawing it in, especially as at least a large proportion of it is quickly released. There must be a limit to the amount that can be stored - and can one be said to destroy it by using it ?Tony N-S.
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Tony, >surely the whole point about Chi is that you >cannot retain it; you may 'gather' it but it's only >passing through. I am hesitant to completely agree with that. It certainly seems like there is a part of the energy that you keep, and in fact the GrandMaster above me (teacher's teacher and disciple of the legendary Chen Fake,who could send people sailing when they touched him)states that there something like a crystal behind your navel (dan tien) that you condense your accumulated chi into. The measure of your length and intensity of practice is the concentration of energy in this spot. For me, probably the most significant addition to my practice (previously Wing Chun Kung-Fu and Chi Kung) was the focus on gathering and retaining much of the energy you generate during static chi kung and moving form (called "nurturing your energy"). I could whip up strong energy but leaked it away with too much fajing (explosive energy) and no gathering and condensing excercises. On the other hand, there must also be a part of the practice that attunes you to the flow of energy and makes you more efficient at channeling (say from the ether or from the ground or air, depending on circumstances) energy in an instant. There, the concept of "passing through" seems appropriate. The "parasitical" part of my thought is related to previous discussion on tying up the energy resources of a tree in order to broadcast your preps, instead of building a broadcaster. And it is a bit abstract. The acummulating and storing idea may seem materialistic, but we are material creatures in our bodies. I imagine a combination of the two perspectives (accumulating vs. channeling) result in the net effects of Tai Chi practice. Sincerely, Chris Shade --- Anthony Nelson-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris - surely the whole point about Chi is that you > cannot retain it: you > may 'gather' it, but it's only passing through. > Thus it can scarcely be > 'parasitic' to obtain it from natural surroundings - > it returns to them soon > enough ! Tony N-S. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Chris - surely the whole point about Chi is that you cannot retain it: you may 'gather' it, but it's only passing through. Thus it can scarcely be 'parasitic' to obtain it from natural surroundings - it returns to them soon enough ! Tony N-S.
