Re: Trouble Brewing: Science, Compost Teas and Organic Certification

2002-05-25 Thread Rex Teague

On 25 May 02, Lloyd Charles wrote:
---8---
 Dig deep (if you're brave enough) and you will find connections
 from these researchers back to the multinational chemical
 companies. 

Watch out for Viral Marketing too. George Monibot in his recent 
The Fake Persuaders article wrote:

An article on its [Bivings Group] website, entitled Viral Marketing: 
How to Infect the World warns that there are some campaigns 
where it would be undesirable or even disastrous to let the audience 
know that your organization is directly involved ... it simply is not an 
intelligent PR move. In cases such as this, it is important to first 
listen to what is being said online ... Once you are plugged into this 
world, it is possible to make postings to these outlets that present 
your position as an uninvolved third party. ... Perhaps the greatest 
advantage of viral marketing is that your message is placed into a 
context where it is more likely to be considered seriously. A senior 
executive from Monsanto is quoted on the Bivings site, thanking the 
PR firm for its outstanding work.  

Full story: http://www.monbiot.com/dsp_article.cfm?article_id=511

Cheers... Rex




Re: Trouble Brewing: Science, Compost Teas and Organic Certification

2002-05-24 Thread SBruno75

Com;ost tea must be good stuff if they want to restrict its use!  SStorch




Re: Trouble Brewing: Science, Compost Teas and Organic Certification

2002-05-24 Thread Lloyd Charles


- Original Message -
From: Frank Teuton Subject: Trouble Brewing: Science, Compost Teas and
Organic Certification


 Dear  Frank and other brewers

When I attended Elaine Ingham's workshop two seasons ago I wondered how long
it would take the chemical industry to react to what she was doing. Looking
from a conventional (chemical using) farmers position the use of compost is
very limited in application particularly in broadacre operations. But here
was this lady telling us how to take a ton (or less) of good quality compost
add water and some cheap basic feedstock (sugar / molasses) and turn it into
a product we could use to replace thousands of dollars of fungicide and
insecticide and in the long run probably cut herbicide by at least half -
she had common sense, logic, and a stack of hard scientific evidence to back
every claim! While ever these type of advances are seen to be limited to the
organic or alternative agriculture cummunity there is no problem but when it
looks like moving into the mainstream and seriously affecting sales (which
the widespread use of compost teas would do) then the big guns swing into
actoion.
Dig deep (if you're brave enough) and you will find connections from these
researchers back to the multinational chemical companies

 I have been informed in the last few days that the process of making
 amplified aerobic microbial cultures starting with high quality compost,
 aerated water and nutrients to create a high bacteria and fungal count
 product useful in horticultural and agriculture has come under doubt, and
 has been slated to be placed under 120 day restrictions similar to those
for
 raw manure.

 The reason proposed for this is supposedly that, under certain conditions,
a
 nutrient solution will support growth of 'enteric pathogenic bacterial
 organisms' such as E.coli and Salmonella spp.

 I would very much like to see the specific details of the experiments
which
 underly the judgment reached by the National Organic Standards Board
Compost
 Task Force when it issued the following: