Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
The last new moon or the next would have been better. Walnuts bleed copiously if cut in the spring. I had a neighbour in Hastings, N.Z. who cut one at the wrong time and the sap ran, not dripped, for over a week before it slowed down. The tree went on to grow vigorously next season and thereafter. It had beenbobbed like a London Plane tree, so it takes a lot to kill a good walnut. In this case the cuts were left to bleed, there was no disease and no die back. I don't recomend the treatment described just suggest a better observation of sap flow before cutting a major limb. This can be checked by cutting a large twig and observing how the sap behaves. Best wishes, Peter. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: Re: sealant for cut tree limb? Dear Ian,Thank you for this info -- I do have some month-old cow manure (gathered from a non-BD friends' farm) -- not as good as fresh, BD cow pats no doubt but I'll moisten and dress with what I've got. I wish I'd known about the full moon sugestion before removing the limb (which I did only a day or so before yesterday's full moon) but is good to know for future, thanks.-LilyIn a message dated 12/18/2002 8:41:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:Re: sealant for cut tree limb? Date:12/18/2002 8:41:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I just sawed off a dying limb from a tree today, and have the feeling it might be good to seal it with something.LilyMay not be of much help if you do not have access to a cow but I always usestraight, fresh cow manure plastered on the wound. My thinking being that asit is full of beneficial bacteria (Bd cow of course!!) it can only be goodfor the tree. Any wound from perhaps 7mm (1/2") upwards I would dress. Todate we have had no mishaps with the trees. If you are using the calendartry to keep away from full moons etc where there are increased sap flow.regardsIan BuckinghamMaungatawhiriNew Zealand
Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
Dear Tony, Thanks for the insight on blowtorch handyness! Once more immediate tool needs are met, perchance I'll invest in one once funds become available. Brgrds, -Lily In a message dated 12/18/2002 4:33:24 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:Re: sealant for cut tree limb? Date:12/18/2002 4:33:24 PM !!!First Boot!!! From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet So, if there's no weeping, perhaps nothing needs doing? Thanks also for the chuckle--of all the tools I've thought of needing/getting, a blowtorch never entered my mind ;) -Lily Lily - You're probably right - at this time of year, weeping is unlikely anyway; however, charred wood is less likely to rot. A blowtorch (the modern kind, a jet which screws onto a camping-gas can) is very useful for selectively dealing with weeds in (for example) paving, rough walls etc. I use a massive flamethrower-type setup to discourage the re-shooting of willow stumps as I gradually clear a wet plantation; it's quite good for weeding an entire patio at one sweep, but I have to remember that a killing heat projects about ten feet ahead of the flame! Tony N-S.
Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
Dear Ian, Thank you for this info -- I do have some month-old cow manure (gathered from a non-BD friends' farm) -- not as good as fresh, BD cow pats no doubt but I'll moisten and dress with what I've got. I wish I'd known about the full moon sugestion before removing the limb (which I did only a day or so before yesterday's full moon) but is good to know for future, thanks. -Lily In a message dated 12/18/2002 8:41:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:Re: sealant for cut tree limb? Date:12/18/2002 8:41:39 PM !!!First Boot!!! From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CC:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I just sawed off a dying limb from a tree today, and have the feeling it might be good to seal it with something. Lily May not be of much help if you do not have access to a cow but I always use straight, fresh cow manure plastered on the wound. My thinking being that as it is full of beneficial bacteria (Bd cow of course!!) it can only be good for the tree. Any wound from perhaps 7mm (1/2") upwards I would dress. To date we have had no mishaps with the trees. If you are using the calendar try to keep away from full moons etc where there are increased sap flow. regards Ian Buckingham Maungatawhiri New Zealand
Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
Laura Please explain the importance in working with the recommendation of: Maria Thun's calendar she recommends Dec 20 after 19 h until the 30th as suitable for cutting vines. Thanks Per Garp/NH - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 02:22 PM Subject: Re: sealant for cut tree limb? I know there are many thoughts on this including using BD tree paste. I prune over 15,000 vines in a season so just not possible. In referring to Maria Thun's calendar she recommends Dec 20 after 19 h until the 30th as suitable for cutting vines. These are planting days when the sap is pulled down. Sorry I can't help with January as I don't have next year's calendar yet ! Laura Sabourin Feast of Fields Inc Demeter Certified Vineyard Farm http://www.ragdolls.net/vineyard.htm Ragenesque Ragdoll Cattery http://www.ragdolls.net/ragenesq.htm R R # 1 St Catharines, Ontario L2R 6P7
Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
Gil - thanks for suggesting wind as a means of drying out the weeping from a cut walnut limb. Ironically, it was wind which broke the branch that I trimmed. Cheryl - Because of this, I didn't actually choose the time for 'pruning' - but maybe I should have waited before tidying the break. Tony N-S. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
I know there are many thoughts on this including using BD tree paste. I prune over 15,000 vines in a season so just not possible. In referring to Maria Thun's calendar she recommends Dec 20 after 19 h until the 30th as suitable for cutting vines. These are planting days when the sap is pulled down. Sorry I can't help with January as I don't have next year's calendar yet ! Laura Sabourin Feast of Fields Inc Demeter Certified Vineyard Farm http://www.ragdolls.net/vineyard.htm Ragenesque Ragdoll Cattery http://www.ragdolls.net/ragenesq.htm R R # 1 St Catharines, Ontario L2R 6P7
Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
Hi! Tony, I have little Walnut experience as an adult as I live out side the range they do. I came from a wet, cold area, which was good for growing them, but not good for grafting them, as they bleed as you have found. I have been told that the most successful nursery was in a very windy gully on the edge of the range that had huge gully winds (gales) many nights. They made the cut on a steep angle to aid drainage and faced the cut to the wind. They support the graft with splints and get a good result. They also work but the calendar to have the sap down at the time. So if planting new trees, look for the windiest part of the property and be aware of positioning the cut surfaces to catch the wind. Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: it is my understanding that sealers are out of vogue and that properly done pruning cuts should be left un-dressed. Allan - What do you recommend for such trees as walnut, where the stump of a cut limb may weep copiously for a week or more? Sealant won't stick, charring doesn't work (in spite of my advice to Lily!) and sap seeps out even from the most tightly taped plastic covering. It can't be good for the tree, especially as the leaking sap encourages moulds, but one occasionally has to trim a branch or tidy up a break. Tony N-S. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
Did you prune in the descending Moon period? If not, you may have to wait for that time to come up to slow sap flow. Cheryl Kemp Education and Workshop Coordinator Biodynamic AgriCulture Australia Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.biodynamics.net.au - Original Message - From: Tony Nelson-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 3:40 AM Subject: Re: sealant for cut tree limb? it is my understanding that sealers are out of vogue and that properly done pruning cuts should be left un-dressed. Allan - What do you recommend for such trees as walnut, where the stump of a cut limb may weep copiously for a week or more? Sealant won't stick, charring doesn't work (in spite of my advice to Lily!) and sap seeps out even from the most tightly taped plastic covering. It can't be good for the tree, especially as the leaking sap encourages moulds, but one occasionally has to trim a branch or tidy up a break. Tony N-S. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
sealant for cut tree limb?
Dear Folks, I just sawed off a dying limb from a tree today, and have the feeling it might be good to seal it with something. All I have to-hand, is boiled linseed oil, turpentine, and olive oil. Any of these serve the purpose (and what *would* be the purpose? it's just a gut feeling tht some sort of sealant might be desirable, I'm not knowledgeable at all on tree treatments). I'd appreciate a cc direct at [EMAIL PROTECTED] since I'm on digest, which will delay any info getting to me that way. Thank you kindly. -Lily
Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
If you don't have a commercial sealant (Arbrex in Britain) to hand, you could scorch the cut (particularly the outer edge within the bark) with a blowtorch to stop 'weeping' and sterilise the tissues. Tony N-S. _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
Dear Tony, Thank you for writing. So, if there's no weeping, perhaps nothing needs doing? Thanks also for the chuckle--of all the tools I've thought of needing/getting, a blowtorch never entered my mind ;) -Lily In a message dated 12/16/2002 4:45:36 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:Re: sealant for cut tree limb? Date:12/16/2002 4:45:36 PM !!!First Boot!!! From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CC:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet If you don't have a commercial sealant (Arbrex in Britain) to hand, you could scorch the cut (particularly the outer edge within the bark) with a blowtorch to stop 'weeping' and sterilise the tissues. Tony N-S.
Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
Lily - Hopefully Jim Marquardt will verify this, but it is my understanding that sealers are out of vogue and that properly done pruning cuts should be left un-dressed. -Allan
