Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-19 Thread Joe Spanier
Well that escalated quickly. 

I did the windows thing as an experiment. Basically nothing in Linux was 
working so I figured may as well. 

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-19 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 11/19/2014 7:16 AM, Joe Spanier wrote:
 Well that escalated quickly.
 
 I did the windows thing as an experiment. Basically nothing in Linux
 was working so I figured may as well.

From your symptoms, it sounds like your eMMC may be confused or borked,
probably with a bad sector or two somewhere.  The on-chip controller is
supposed to deal with this gracefully, but in my experience error cases
are generally not well dealt with across the industry.

Try wiping the entire eMMC, specifically by discarding all blocks (this
tells the embedded eMMC controller it doesn't have to save the contents
of any blocks.  Use the blkdiscard command (from Jessie) or format the
block device with ext4 (which performs a discard on all blocks) if
you're using wheezy.

Then try to dd to the entire device.  If this fails, I suspect your eMMC
is bad.

Anyone else got a suggestion for testing/verifying the eMMC?

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread Joe Spanier
https://rcn-ee.net/deb/testing/2014-11-11/lxde-4gb/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.7-lxde-4gb-armhf-2014-11-11-4gb.img.xz
 
is the image. Im powering through USB plugged into a wall outlet. No Capes, 
just power, and HDMI. 

I was able to successfully 
flash 
https://rcn-ee.net/deb/testing/2014-11-11/console/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.7-console-armhf-2014-11-11-2gb.img.xz
 
and pull up the console. There was some concern on the machinekit page that 
I was using an older boot loader but that should have fixed that I would 
think. 

I am for sure using a RevC with the 4g eMMC and I am pushing the boot 
button to boot from the SD.


On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 9:39:39 AM UTC-6, RobertCNelson wrote:

 Humm, that's 5 minutes into the flasher..

 What was the exact name of the image you flashed?

 How are you powering the board? any other capes attached?



 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Joe Spanier prcds...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t5YWs6Ft4KM/VGtnph7h5QI/UZY/ffY1GQYl5Y4/s1600/IMG_20141118_073426.jpg


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t5YWs6Ft4KM/VGtnph7h5QI/UZY/ffY1GQYl5Y4/s1600/IMG_20141118_073426.jpg

 Here is a screenshot of the panic 

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread Robert Nelson
Humm, that's 5 minutes into the flasher..

What was the exact name of the image you flashed?

How are you powering the board? any other capes attached?



On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Joe Spanier prcdsln...@gmail.com wrote:


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t5YWs6Ft4KM/VGtnph7h5QI/UZY/ffY1GQYl5Y4/s1600/IMG_20141118_073426.jpg


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t5YWs6Ft4KM/VGtnph7h5QI/UZY/ffY1GQYl5Y4/s1600/IMG_20141118_073426.jpg

 Here is a screenshot of the panic

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread evilwulfie
Flashing while powered through USB is not recommended.


On 11/18/2014 8:47 AM, Joe Spanier wrote:
 https://rcn-ee.net/deb/testing/2014-11-11/lxde-4gb/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.7-lxde-4gb-armhf-2014-11-11-4gb.img.xz
 is the image. Im powering through USB plugged into a wall outlet. No
 Capes, just power, and HDMI. 

 I was able to successfully
 flash 
 https://rcn-ee.net/deb/testing/2014-11-11/console/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.7-console-armhf-2014-11-11-2gb.img.xz
 and pull up the console. There was some concern on the machinekit page
 that I was using an older boot loader but that should have fixed that
 I would think. 

 I am for sure using a RevC with the 4g eMMC and I am pushing the boot
 button to boot from the SD.


 On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 9:39:39 AM UTC-6, RobertCNelson wrote:

 Humm, that's 5 minutes into the flasher..

 What was the exact name of the image you flashed?

 How are you powering the board? any other capes attached?



 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Joe Spanier prcds...@gmail.com
 javascript: wrote:

 
 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t5YWs6Ft4KM/VGtnph7h5QI/UZY/ffY1GQYl5Y4/s1600/IMG_20141118_073426.jpg

 
 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t5YWs6Ft4KM/VGtnph7h5QI/UZY/ffY1GQYl5Y4/s1600/IMG_20141118_073426.jpg

 Here is a screenshot of the panic 

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread Robert Nelson
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Joe Spanier prcdsln...@gmail.com wrote:


 https://rcn-ee.net/deb/testing/2014-11-11/lxde-4gb/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.7-lxde-4gb-armhf-2014-11-11-4gb.img.xz
 is the image. Im powering through USB plugged into a wall outlet. No Capes,
 just power, and HDMI.

 I was able to successfully flash
 https://rcn-ee.net/deb/testing/2014-11-11/console/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.7-console-armhf-2014-11-11-2gb.img.xz
 and pull up the console. There was some concern on the machinekit page that
 I was using an older boot loader but that should have fixed that I would
 think.

 I am for sure using a RevC with the 4g eMMC and I am pushing the boot
 button to boot from the SD.


Can you please retry with a 5volt DC jack. rsync really hits the
microSD/eMMC hard while flashing, thus it's fast, but any voltage ripples
can mess with the mmc devices.

Since the console image is so much smaller (200mb vs 1.7gb) we don't
normally see any mmc write errors during the flashing procedure.

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread Jason Lange
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Joe Spanier prcdsln...@gmail.com

 I am properly ejecting the card from my laptop after completing dd. Is
 that what you mean by sync?




  Here are the steps Im using:
  1. Wget the image
  2. md5sum check
  3. xzcat BBB-eMMC-Flasher... ...img.xz | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdc


change step 3 to:

. xzcat BBB-eMMC-Flasher... ...img.xz | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdc; sync

sync ensures that whatever is in the buffers actually gets written to the
disk.  The sdcard shouldn't even be mounted on the desktop while you dd
it.  At least with unity it will still dd properly but the desktop is not
aware and shows it mounted in it's previous state.  A desktop unmount at
this point is potentially harmful.

I wish there was a simple way to verify the image after you've flashed it
to the card -- does anyone know how to do this?

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread William Hermans
First of all, as far as the sdcard is concerned. sync has nothing to do
with it, UNLESS, you are trying to remount the same exact sdcard.

sync is not infallible, and as such will not always do what you think it
may do. sync can take a considerable amount of time to achieve what you
think it should achieve.

 What does a UI(Unity ) have to do with DD ? An application that has been
around for YEARS longer than Unity ?

All you can do is:

write data
remove media.
sync.

If the OS you're using screws this up, then it does not deserve to be used.
Otherwise, it is user error.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Jason Lange j.b.la...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Joe Spanier prcdsln...@gmail.com

 I am properly ejecting the card from my laptop after completing dd. Is
 that what you mean by sync?




  Here are the steps Im using:
  1. Wget the image
  2. md5sum check
  3. xzcat BBB-eMMC-Flasher... ...img.xz | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdc


 change step 3 to:

 . xzcat BBB-eMMC-Flasher... ...img.xz | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdc; sync

 sync ensures that whatever is in the buffers actually gets written to the
 disk.  The sdcard shouldn't even be mounted on the desktop while you dd
 it.  At least with unity it will still dd properly but the desktop is not
 aware and shows it mounted in it's previous state.  A desktop unmount at
 this point is potentially harmful.

 I wish there was a simple way to verify the image after you've flashed it
 to the card -- does anyone know how to do this?

 Cheers.

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread Joe Spanier
Latest failure. This time I flashed from windows 7 just to try something new, 
different PC and card reader, and used a wallwart. No dice. Slightly different 
t error message with the panic though. Progress??

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread Joe Spanier


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-STFf5nrtDoQ/VGv5lWo1raI/UeE/afhkJDLP07s/s1600/IMG_20141118_191451.jpg


On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:24:11 PM UTC-6, Joe Spanier wrote:

 Latest failure. This time I flashed from windows 7 just to try something 
 new, different PC and card reader, and used a wallwart. No dice. Slightly 
 different t error message with the panic though. Progress??

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread Robert Nelson
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Joe Spanier prcdsln...@gmail.com wrote:
 Latest failure. This time I flashed from windows 7 just to try something new, 
 different PC and card reader, and used a wallwart. No dice. Slightly 
 different t error message with the panic though. Progress??

Thanks for re-testing..  This looks to be evil v3.8.x, never saw it
fail on the eMMC, but i get that error alot of microSD cards..

So here's a v3.14.x based kernel snapshot using jessie:

http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Jessie_Snapshot

It's using a newer kernel (v3.14.x) vs the old v3.8.x

Once the eMMC has been flashed, you can safely downgrade to the v3.8.x
based kernel via: (and get capemgr)

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.8.13-bone67
sudo reboot

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread William Hermans
Advice ? Use Linux to flash Linux. I use windows on a daily basis, and
honestly it is is my prerecorded OS. But when dealing with Linux, use
Linux. . .

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Robert Nelson robertcnel...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Joe Spanier prcdsln...@gmail.com wrote:
  Latest failure. This time I flashed from windows 7 just to try something
 new, different PC and card reader, and used a wallwart. No dice. Slightly
 different t error message with the panic though. Progress??

 Thanks for re-testing..  This looks to be evil v3.8.x, never saw it
 fail on the eMMC, but i get that error alot of microSD cards..

 So here's a v3.14.x based kernel snapshot using jessie:

 http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Jessie_Snapshot

 It's using a newer kernel (v3.14.x) vs the old v3.8.x

 Once the eMMC has been flashed, you can safely downgrade to the v3.8.x
 based kernel via: (and get capemgr)

 sudo apt-get update
 sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.8.13-bone67
 sudo reboot

 Regards,

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread William Hermans
prerecorded ? I never wrote that
 . . . Preferred is what I wrote,

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:53 PM, William Hermans yyrk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Advice ? Use Linux to flash Linux. I use windows on a daily basis, and
 honestly it is is my prerecorded OS. But when dealing with Linux, use
 Linux. . .

 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Robert Nelson robertcnel...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Joe Spanier prcdsln...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Latest failure. This time I flashed from windows 7 just to try
 something new, different PC and card reader, and used a wallwart. No dice.
 Slightly different t error message with the panic though. Progress??

 Thanks for re-testing..  This looks to be evil v3.8.x, never saw it
 fail on the eMMC, but i get that error alot of microSD cards..

 So here's a v3.14.x based kernel snapshot using jessie:

 http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Jessie_Snapshot

 It's using a newer kernel (v3.14.x) vs the old v3.8.x

 Once the eMMC has been flashed, you can safely downgrade to the v3.8.x
 based kernel via: (and get capemgr)

 sudo apt-get update
 sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.8.13-bone67
 sudo reboot

 Regards,

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread Jason Lange
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:57 PM, William Hermans yyrk...@gmail.com wrote:


 All you can do is:

 write data
 remove media.
 sync.


write data
sync
and then remove media.

That's all I'm really trying to convey.  dd does not sync by default.
Unmounting from your gui should sync.  But might not if you've been
sudo-ing things behind it's back. Once sync has completed you can safely
remove it regardless of what some gui thinks is going on.

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread William Hermans
What I am trying to convey to you is that sync is never guaranteed. Ever.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Jason Lange j.b.la...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:57 PM, William Hermans yyrk...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 All you can do is:

 write data
 remove media.
 sync.


 write data
 sync
 and then remove media.

 That's all I'm really trying to convey.  dd does not sync by default.
 Unmounting from your gui should sync.  But might not if you've been
 sudo-ing things behind it's back. Once sync has completed you can safely
 remove it regardless of what some gui thinks is going on.

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread Jason Lange
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:02 PM, William Hermans yyrk...@gmail.com wrote:

 What I am trying to convey to you is that sync is never guaranteed. Ever.


garunteed?

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread John Syn

From:  William Hermans yyrk...@gmail.com
Reply-To:  beagleboard@googlegroups.com beagleboard@googlegroups.com
Date:  Tuesday, November 18, 2014 at 7:02 PM
To:  beagleboard@googlegroups.com beagleboard@googlegroups.com
Subject:  Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

 What I am trying to convey to you is that sync is never guaranteed. Ever.
Where do you get this from. Reference?

Regards,
John
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Jason Lange j.b.la...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:57 PM, William Hermans yyrk...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 All you can do is:
 
 write data
 remove media.
 sync.
 
 write data
 sync
 and then remove media.
 
 That's all I'm really trying to convey.  dd does not sync by default.
 Unmounting from your gui should sync.  But might not if you've been sudo-ing
 things behind it's back. Once sync has completed you can safely remove it
 regardless of what some gui thinks is going on.
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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread Jason Lange
twou twou omwee tou twou. ;)

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 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:02 PM, William Hermans yyrk...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What I am trying to convey to you is that sync is never guaranteed.
 Ever.


 garunteed?


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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-18 Thread William Hermans
Jesus, do either of you do any independent reading on your own ?
 guaranteed  .  . do a bit of googling on your own . . .

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Jason Lange j.b.la...@gmail.com wrote:

 twou twou omwee tou twou. ;)

 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Jason Lange j.b.la...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:02 PM, William Hermans yyrk...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What I am trying to convey to you is that sync is never guaranteed.
 Ever.


 garunteed?


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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-17 Thread Robert Nelson
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Joe Spanier prcdsln...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am trying to flash my eMMC with the image here:
 http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Debian_Releases I am
 using the 4Gb flasher for the RevC. I can flash the microSD but all of the
 images ive tried cause Kernel Panics when I try to flash the BBB. Im sure
 this is something I am doing but Im not sure.

 Here are the steps Im using:
 1. Wget the image
 2. md5sum check
 3. xzcat BBB-eMMC-Flasher... ...img.xz | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdc
 4. load SD and apply power
 5. kernel panic

Well 3.8 always panic's (drm) when shutdown at the completion of the
flashing procedure.

If you have the serial log from the flashing procedure this would confirm that.


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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-17 Thread Jason Lange
This might not be part of the problem, but I have created much mysterious
misery by forgetting to sync after dd-ing my sd card.  If you forgot to
do this and yanked your card out after dd finished you cannot trust that
you have an accurate and functional image.  spread the word.


On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Robert Nelson robertcnel...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Joe Spanier prcdsln...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I am trying to flash my eMMC with the image here:
  http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Debian_Releases I
 am
  using the 4Gb flasher for the RevC. I can flash the microSD but all of
 the
  images ive tried cause Kernel Panics when I try to flash the BBB. Im sure
  this is something I am doing but Im not sure.
 
  Here are the steps Im using:
  1. Wget the image
  2. md5sum check
  3. xzcat BBB-eMMC-Flasher... ...img.xz | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdc
  4. load SD and apply power
  5. kernel panic

 Well 3.8 always panic's (drm) when shutdown at the completion of the
 flashing procedure.

 If you have the serial log from the flashing procedure this would confirm
 that.


 Regards,

 --
 Robert Nelson
 http://www.rcn-ee.com/

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-17 Thread Joe Spanier
I dont have a serial cable. Probably need to pick one up. 

I am properly ejecting the card from my laptop after completing dd. Is that 
what you mean by sync?

On Monday, November 17, 2014 1:23:43 PM UTC-6, Jason Lange wrote:

 This might not be part of the problem, but I have created much mysterious 
 misery by forgetting to sync after dd-ing my sd card.  If you forgot to 
 do this and yanked your card out after dd finished you cannot trust that 
 you have an accurate and functional image.  spread the word.


 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Robert Nelson robert...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Joe Spanier prcds...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:
  I am trying to flash my eMMC with the image here:
  http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Debian_Releases I 
 am
  using the 4Gb flasher for the RevC. I can flash the microSD but all of 
 the
  images ive tried cause Kernel Panics when I try to flash the BBB. Im 
 sure
  this is something I am doing but Im not sure.
 
  Here are the steps Im using:
  1. Wget the image
  2. md5sum check
  3. xzcat BBB-eMMC-Flasher... ...img.xz | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdc
  4. load SD and apply power
  5. kernel panic

 Well 3.8 always panic's (drm) when shutdown at the completion of the
 flashing procedure.

 If you have the serial log from the flashing procedure this would confirm 
 that.


 Regards,

 --
 Robert Nelson
 http://www.rcn-ee.com/

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-17 Thread Robert Nelson
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Joe Spanier prcdsln...@gmail.com wrote:
 I dont have a serial cable. Probably need to pick one up.

Okay, I'm a little confused.. How then do you know your getting a
kernel panic?  While flashing all debug info gets directed over the
serial. I still haven't mirrored any of the progress back to hdmi
output..

 I am properly ejecting the card from my laptop after completing dd. Is that
 what you mean by sync?

Regards,

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http://www.rcn-ee.com/

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Re: [beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-17 Thread Joe Spanier
There is definitely a text output from the HDMI That is where Im seeing the 
kernel panic. I am trying to flash a new uSD now to try it. If it happens 
again Ill just take a picture of the screen. 

On Monday, November 17, 2014 3:55:22 PM UTC-6, RobertCNelson wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Joe Spanier prcds...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  I dont have a serial cable. Probably need to pick one up. 

 Okay, I'm a little confused.. How then do you know your getting a 
 kernel panic?  While flashing all debug info gets directed over the 
 serial. I still haven't mirrored any of the progress back to hdmi 
 output.. 

  I am properly ejecting the card from my laptop after completing dd. Is 
 that 
  what you mean by sync? 

 Regards, 

 -- 
 Robert Nelson 
 http://www.rcn-ee.com/ 


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[beagleboard] Kernel Panic with eMMC flasher

2014-11-16 Thread Joe Spanier
I am trying to flash my eMMC with the image here: 
http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Debian_Releases I am 
using the 4Gb flasher for the RevC. I can flash the microSD but all of the 
images ive tried cause Kernel Panics when I try to flash the BBB. Im sure 
this is something I am doing but Im not sure.

Here are the steps Im using:
1. Wget the image
2. md5sum check
3. xzcat BBB-eMMC-Flasher... ...img.xz | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdc
4. load SD and apply power
5. kernel panic


So what am I missing here? 

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