Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Special Computing]

Special Computing has dedicated stock reserved for hobbyists so we
typically are always in stock (we don't use marketing ploys with email
signups).
We typically ship same day from Arizona preferring USPS Priority Mail for
2-3 day delivery (next flight out service available).

https://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/

Special Computing
480-818-5745

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[David Funk]

You just lost major points with that cheap shot.  I do NOT view the email
stock alerts as a "marketing ploy"




-david



On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Special Computing 
wrote:

> Special Computing has dedicated stock reserved for hobbyists so we
> typically are always in stock (we don't use marketing ploys with email
> signups).
> We typically ship same day from Arizona preferring USPS Priority Mail for
> 2-3 day delivery (next flight out service available).
>
> https://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/
>
> Special Computing
> 480-818-5745
>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Gerald Coley]

http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Board_Shipments

Gerald


On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Wm Parker Mackenzie <
themackenziefam...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks. I was under the (mistaken) assumption that all the vendors would
> be in the same boat. Just cancelled my Jameco order and have the phone set
> to buzz me when Adafruit says my new toy has arrived.
>
> Kind regards,
> Parker Mackenzie
>
>
> On Monday, June 30, 2014 10:23:29 AM UTC-4, Gerald wrote:
>
>> Then watch Adafruit as they get weekly shipments. Or try
>> Special Computing..
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Mackenzie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have had a BBB rev C on backorder with Jameco since April 9th. Called
>>> them last week and they say it is likely to be mid to late August until it
>>> ships. I looked around (Adafruit, Sparkfun, etc...) and they still say out
>>> of stock.
>>>
>>> All I want is 1 for a hobby project, perhaps those ordering 100s-1000s
>>> are getting priority?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote:
>>>
 Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
 wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
 out there

 Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we
 weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come
 together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together?

 Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows.

 Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and
 then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing
 down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected.
 Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of
 stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the
 status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas
 based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide
 boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a
 week at launch to around 3,000 a week.

 Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting
 Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia
 Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted
 on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't
 been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find
 out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies,
 prototypes---and products.

 When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end
 product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we
 aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the
 quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop
 them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll
 never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for
 repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work
 directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards
 builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that
 won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists
 and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show
 stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some
 of the board supply.

 While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of
 boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand.
 Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special
 Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their
 orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look
 at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed
 board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from
 me and they were sold out again.

 This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To
 accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing
 capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional
 manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below.

 Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo

 Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed.
 Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be
 hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking
 the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the
 friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial
 launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for
 their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering
 services, but shippin

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Wm Parker Mackenzie]

Thanks. I was under the (mistaken) assumption that all the vendors would be 
in the same boat. Just cancelled my Jameco order and have the phone set to 
buzz me when Adafruit says my new toy has arrived.

Kind regards,
Parker Mackenzie

On Monday, June 30, 2014 10:23:29 AM UTC-4, Gerald wrote:
>
> Then watch Adafruit as they get weekly shipments. Or try 
> Special Computing..
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Mackenzie  > wrote:
>
>> I have had a BBB rev C on backorder with Jameco since April 9th. Called 
>> them last week and they say it is likely to be mid to late August until it 
>> ships. I looked around (Adafruit, Sparkfun, etc...) and they still say out 
>> of stock.
>>
>> All I want is 1 for a hobby project, perhaps those ordering 100s-1000s 
>> are getting priority?
>>
>> On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote:
>>
>>> Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it 
>>> wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this 
>>> out there 
>>>
>>> Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we 
>>> weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come 
>>> together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? 
>>>
>>> Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. 
>>>
>>> Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and 
>>> then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing 
>>> down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. 
>>> Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of 
>>> stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the 
>>> status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas 
>>> based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide 
>>> boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a 
>>> week at launch to around 3,000 a week. 
>>>
>>> Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting 
>>> Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia 
>>> Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted 
>>> on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't 
>>> been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find 
>>> out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, 
>>> prototypes---and products. 
>>>
>>> When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end 
>>> product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we 
>>> aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the 
>>> quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop 
>>> them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll 
>>> never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for 
>>> repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work 
>>> directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards 
>>> builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that 
>>> won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists 
>>> and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show 
>>> stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some 
>>> of the board supply. 
>>>
>>> While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of 
>>> boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. 
>>> Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special 
>>> Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their 
>>> orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look 
>>> at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed 
>>> board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from 
>>> me and they were sold out again. 
>>>
>>> This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To 
>>> accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing 
>>> capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional 
>>> manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. 
>>>
>>> Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo 
>>>
>>> Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. 
>>> Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be 
>>> hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking 
>>> the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the 
>>> friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial 
>>> launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for 
>>> their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering 
>>> services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to 
>>> give them a lot more exposure. 
>>>
>>> We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards 
>>> from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedb

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[David Funk]

Be prepared to buy 'now', sign up for the email in stock alert from
Adafruit.  When the email arrives, go online 'now' and purchase.

Since the "C's " have been shipping, I've purchased 2 this way.




-david


On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Mackenzie 
wrote:

> I have had a BBB rev C on backorder with Jameco since April 9th. Called
> them last week and they say it is likely to be mid to late August until it
> ships. I looked around (Adafruit, Sparkfun, etc...) and they still say out
> of stock.
>
> All I want is 1 for a hobby project, perhaps those ordering 100s-1000s are
> getting priority?
>
> On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote:
>
>> Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
>> wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
>> out there
>>
>> Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we
>> weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come
>> together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together?
>>
>> Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows.
>>
>> Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and
>> then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing
>> down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected.
>> Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of
>> stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the
>> status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas
>> based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide
>> boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a
>> week at launch to around 3,000 a week.
>>
>> Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting
>> Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia
>> Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted
>> on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't
>> been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find
>> out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies,
>> prototypes---and products.
>>
>> When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end
>> product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we
>> aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the
>> quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop
>> them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll
>> never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for
>> repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work
>> directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards
>> builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that
>> won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists
>> and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show
>> stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some
>> of the board supply.
>>
>> While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of
>> boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand.
>> Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special
>> Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their
>> orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look
>> at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed
>> board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from
>> me and they were sold out again.
>>
>> This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To
>> accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing
>> capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional
>> manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below.
>>
>> Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo
>>
>> Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed.
>> Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be
>> hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking
>> the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the
>> friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial
>> launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for
>> their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering
>> services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to
>> give them a lot more exposure.
>>
>> We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards
>> from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people,
>> especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the
>> largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is much more
>> customizable and is very friendly to professional developers looking
>> to tweak the most out of the system, but for many novices it
>> introduces a barrier to le

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Gerald Coley]

Then watch Adafruit as they get weekly shipments. Or try Special Computing..

Gerald



On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Mackenzie 
wrote:

> I have had a BBB rev C on backorder with Jameco since April 9th. Called
> them last week and they say it is likely to be mid to late August until it
> ships. I looked around (Adafruit, Sparkfun, etc...) and they still say out
> of stock.
>
> All I want is 1 for a hobby project, perhaps those ordering 100s-1000s are
> getting priority?
>
> On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote:
>
>> Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
>> wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
>> out there
>>
>> Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we
>> weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come
>> together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together?
>>
>> Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows.
>>
>> Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and
>> then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing
>> down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected.
>> Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of
>> stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the
>> status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas
>> based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide
>> boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a
>> week at launch to around 3,000 a week.
>>
>> Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting
>> Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia
>> Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted
>> on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't
>> been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find
>> out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies,
>> prototypes---and products.
>>
>> When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end
>> product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we
>> aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the
>> quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop
>> them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll
>> never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for
>> repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work
>> directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards
>> builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that
>> won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists
>> and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show
>> stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some
>> of the board supply.
>>
>> While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of
>> boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand.
>> Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special
>> Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their
>> orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look
>> at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed
>> board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from
>> me and they were sold out again.
>>
>> This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To
>> accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing
>> capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional
>> manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below.
>>
>> Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo
>>
>> Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed.
>> Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be
>> hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking
>> the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the
>> friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial
>> launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for
>> their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering
>> services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to
>> give them a lot more exposure.
>>
>> We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards
>> from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people,
>> especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the
>> largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is much more
>> customizable and is very friendly to professional developers looking
>> to tweak the most out of the system, but for many novices it
>> introduces a barrier to learning. Debian is the basis for Ubuntu,
>> includes ARM Cortex-A8 support in their mainline and is very familiar
>> to a hu

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Charles Steinkuehler]

Adafruit had stock for several days straight (posted Friday afternoon,
still had boards through Monday mid-day), and I just got an e-mail my
RevC from Sparkfun (on back-order since the RevC was announced) has
finally shipped.

So it looks like things are at least getting better...

On 6/17/2014 9:35 AM, Gloria Mohndorf wrote:
> will that be a story with an end?
> 
> Today i asked again at TIGAL. So they are waiting for a sending
> receipt (since 14 days..) As soon they get, blabla...
> No fixed date at all... I guess i could be happy with end of this
> month or the next.
> 
> well lets say I am just speechless anymore .
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014
> still waiting till...
> 
> dudes, is there now a fixed delivery date?
> 
> There was a promise for mid of may, now ist the begining of June -
> nothing changed...
> If you ask at some dealer they expect with end of June. (but still
> with a maybe)
> 
> Isn´t that a kind of craziness, is it?
> 
> 2014-06-13 2:12 GMT+02:00 Peter Lawler :
>> On 13/06/14 09:33, Bill Mar wrote:
>>>
>>> Special Computing has stock in BBB kits and boards.
>>>
>>> https://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/
>>>
>>> Special Computing
>>> +1-480-818-5745
>>>
>>
>> I must be missing something...
>>
>> What's with the three different prices? The difference as pictured between
>> 'Kit (Hobbyist)' and 'Kit' seems non-existent, and I find it hard to imagine
>> that the 'Board' (a) isn't shipped in a box (b) costs $15 more for not
>> having a box or USB cable.
>>
>>
>> I don't get it.
>>
>>
>> Pete.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Peter Lawler  wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 FWIW I got an email overnight (4am Aussie time) saying Adafruit had
 restocked.

 By the time I'd woken up and got to my computer about 4 hours later,
 they'd sold out. I note that Sparkfun have also sold out.

 I did have email notifications set up from Element 14, but I've not heard
 about their stock level.

 Cheers,

 Pete.




 On 13/06/14 06:45, armstrong.ja...@gmail.com wrote:

> SparkFun has 24 in stock as of a few minutes ago 6/12/2014
>
>
> On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote:
>
>>
>> Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
>> wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
>> out there
>>
>> Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we
>> weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come
>> together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together?
>>
>> Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows.
>>
>> Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and
>> then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing
>> down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected.
>> Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of
>> stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the
>> status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas
>> based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide
>> boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a
>> week at launch to around 3,000 a week.
>>
>> Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting
>> Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia
>> Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted
>> on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't
>> been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find
>> out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies,
>> prototypes---and products.
>>
>> When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end
>> product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we
>> aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the
>> quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop
>> them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll
>> never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for
>> repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work
>> directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards
>> builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that
>> won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists
>> and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show
>> stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some
>> of the board supply.
>>
>> While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of
>> boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the hig

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Gloria Mohndorf]

will that be a story with an end?

Today i asked again at TIGAL. So they are waiting for a sending
receipt (since 14 days..) As soon they get, blabla...
No fixed date at all... I guess i could be happy with end of this
month or the next.

well lets say I am just speechless anymore .


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014
still waiting till...

dudes, is there now a fixed delivery date?

There was a promise for mid of may, now ist the begining of June -
nothing changed...
If you ask at some dealer they expect with end of June. (but still
with a maybe)

Isn´t that a kind of craziness, is it?

2014-06-13 2:12 GMT+02:00 Peter Lawler :
> On 13/06/14 09:33, Bill Mar wrote:
>>
>> Special Computing has stock in BBB kits and boards.
>>
>> https://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/
>>
>> Special Computing
>> +1-480-818-5745
>>
>
> I must be missing something...
>
> What's with the three different prices? The difference as pictured between
> 'Kit (Hobbyist)' and 'Kit' seems non-existent, and I find it hard to imagine
> that the 'Board' (a) isn't shipped in a box (b) costs $15 more for not
> having a box or USB cable.
>
>
> I don't get it.
>
>
> Pete.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Peter Lawler  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> FWIW I got an email overnight (4am Aussie time) saying Adafruit had
>>> restocked.
>>>
>>> By the time I'd woken up and got to my computer about 4 hours later,
>>> they'd sold out. I note that Sparkfun have also sold out.
>>>
>>> I did have email notifications set up from Element 14, but I've not heard
>>> about their stock level.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Pete.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13/06/14 06:45, armstrong.ja...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 SparkFun has 24 in stock as of a few minutes ago 6/12/2014


 On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote:

>
> Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
> wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
> out there
>
> Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we
> weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come
> together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together?
>
> Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows.
>
> Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and
> then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing
> down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected.
> Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of
> stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the
> status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas
> based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide
> boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a
> week at launch to around 3,000 a week.
>
> Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting
> Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia
> Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted
> on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't
> been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find
> out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies,
> prototypes---and products.
>
> When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end
> product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we
> aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the
> quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop
> them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll
> never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for
> repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work
> directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards
> builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that
> won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists
> and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show
> stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some
> of the board supply.
>
> While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of
> boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand.
> Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special
> Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their
> orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look
> at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed
> board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from
> me and they were sold out again.
>
> This all leads to the obvious conclusi

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Peter Lawler]

On 13/06/14 09:33, Bill Mar wrote:

Special Computing has stock in BBB kits and boards.

https://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/

Special Computing
+1-480-818-5745



I must be missing something...

What's with the three different prices? The difference as pictured 
between 'Kit (Hobbyist)' and 'Kit' seems non-existent, and I find it 
hard to imagine that the 'Board' (a) isn't shipped in a box (b) costs 
$15 more for not having a box or USB cable.



I don't get it.


Pete.







On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Peter Lawler  wrote:


Hi,
FWIW I got an email overnight (4am Aussie time) saying Adafruit had
restocked.

By the time I'd woken up and got to my computer about 4 hours later,
they'd sold out. I note that Sparkfun have also sold out.

I did have email notifications set up from Element 14, but I've not heard
about their stock level.

Cheers,

Pete.




On 13/06/14 06:45, armstrong.ja...@gmail.com wrote:


SparkFun has 24 in stock as of a few minutes ago 6/12/2014


On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote:



Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
out there

Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we
weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come
together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together?

Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows.

Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and
then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing
down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected.
Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of
stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the
status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas
based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide
boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a
week at launch to around 3,000 a week.

Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting
Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia
Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted
on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't
been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find
out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies,
prototypes---and products.

When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end
product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we
aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the
quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop
them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll
never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for
repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work
directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards
builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that
won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists
and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show
stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some
of the board supply.

While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of
boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand.
Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special
Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their
orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look
at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed
board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from
me and they were sold out again.

This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To
accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing
capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional
manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below.

Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo

Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed.
Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be
hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking
the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the
friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial
launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for
their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering
services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to
give them a lot more exposure.

We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards
from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people,
especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the
largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is m

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Peter Lawler]

Hi,
FWIW I got an email overnight (4am Aussie time) saying Adafruit had 
restocked.


By the time I'd woken up and got to my computer about 4 hours later, 
they'd sold out. I note that Sparkfun have also sold out.


I did have email notifications set up from Element 14, but I've not 
heard about their stock level.


Cheers,

Pete.



On 13/06/14 06:45, armstrong.ja...@gmail.com wrote:

SparkFun has 24 in stock as of a few minutes ago 6/12/2014


On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote:


Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
out there

Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we
weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come
together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together?

Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows.

Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and
then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing
down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected.
Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of
stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the
status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas
based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide
boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a
week at launch to around 3,000 a week.

Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting
Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia
Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted
on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't
been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find
out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies,
prototypes---and products.

When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end
product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we
aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the
quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop
them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll
never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for
repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work
directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards
builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that
won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists
and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show
stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some
of the board supply.

While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of
boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand.
Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special
Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their
orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look
at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed
board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from
me and they were sold out again.

This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To
accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing
capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional
manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below.

Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo

Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed.
Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be
hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking
the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the
friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial
launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for
their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering
services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to
give them a lot more exposure.

We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards
from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people,
especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the
largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is much more
customizable and is very friendly to professional developers looking
to tweak the most out of the system, but for many novices it
introduces a barrier to learning. Debian is the basis for Ubuntu,
includes ARM Cortex-A8 support in their mainline and is very familiar
to a huge population of developers. It also takes a bit more space on
the flash storage to provide the best user experience.

To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we
are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board e

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[rohaanvichare]

Dear sir,
I am waiting for my BBB piece I have ordered it 2months back from INDIA with 
your distributor sumeetinstruments sumeetinstruments.com
And  i am waiting eagerly but rply are like this it will take end of the month 
may be cant say. I just want to know when it might reach India
Please!
Thanks,
Rohan

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Gerald Coley]

Not sure what distributor you are referring to. We are shipping. Now, where
your distributor is on the list and where you are on that distributor list,
I cannot answer.

http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Board_Shipments

Gerald



On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:41 AM,  wrote:

> still waiting till...
>
> dudes, is there now a fixed delivery date?
>
> There was a promise for mid of may, now ist the begining of June - nothing
> changed...
> If you ask at some dealer they expect with end of June. (but still
> with a maybe)
>
> Isn´t that a kind of craziness, is it?
>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Jones Jebaraj]

Thank You Gerald for the reply. It seems I have to wait because the two 
messages sent to the distributor didnt fetch me a reply. Waiting

On Sunday, May 25, 2014 11:11:29 PM UTC+5:30, Gerald wrote:
>
> We have shipped about 5,200 of them, 
>
> http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Board_Shipments
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 5:52 PM, David Funk  > wrote:
>
>> Had mine for over a week. They are shipping.  India might be a bit of a 
>> problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> -david
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Jones Jebaraj > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all, May I know when Rev C products will ship? I ask this because 
>>> I have ordered a board in India and still it is unavailable (it also seems 
>>> the same way around the globe). So please inform us regarding the 
>>> availability. Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:03:30 PM UTC+5:30, Gerald wrote:
>>>
 I think Embest has some bulk order arrangement set up for their board. 
 You can try them. They build their own version and we allow them to use 
 the 
 name and logo in their advertising and marking. But at the end of the day, 
 it is their product.

 We have no plans for any different distribution scheme other 
 than what we have now. And we have no plans for allowing anyone else to 
 make Beagleboards  You can certainly take the information provided and 
 build it yourself with no restrictions..

 Yes, REV C is the only one we will make. We will not be making 
 old revisions.It is right to say that REV A and REV B are no 
 longer available from us.

 Gerald


 On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM,  wrote:

>  Thanks for this informative heads-up!
> Does it mean that for bulk orders (we think of 1,000 or more pieces) 
> there is no real plan how to go ahead? Of course, we would need a more or 
> less reliable delivery slot. Or are you entering into a more widespread 
> distribution and license scheme?
> Also: is Rev C the only available rev from now on? Is it right to say 
> that Rev A and B are not manufactured and available any more?
>
> Am Montag, 14. April 2014 01:07:00 UTC+2 schrieb Jason Kridner:
>>
>> Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it 
>> wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this 
>> out there 
>>
>>
>> Element14 has a world-wide reach and a notable production capacity. 
>> With all of the growing demand for BeagleBone Black, they will need 
>> it. I consider this a huge win for open hardware! 
>>
>> --Jason 
>>
>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Gerald Coley]

We have shipped about 5,200 of them,

http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Board_Shipments

Gerald



On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 5:52 PM, David Funk  wrote:

> Had mine for over a week. They are shipping.  India might be a bit of a
> problem.
>
>
>
> -david
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Jones Jebaraj <
> jonesjosephjeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all, May I know when Rev C products will ship? I ask this because I
>> have ordered a board in India and still it is unavailable (it also seems
>> the same way around the globe). So please inform us regarding the
>> availability. Thank you.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:03:30 PM UTC+5:30, Gerald wrote:
>>
>>> I think Embest has some bulk order arrangement set up for their board.
>>> You can try them. They build their own version and we allow them to use the
>>> name and logo in their advertising and marking. But at the end of the day,
>>> it is their product.
>>>
>>> We have no plans for any different distribution scheme other
>>> than what we have now. And we have no plans for allowing anyone else to
>>> make Beagleboards  You can certainly take the information provided and
>>> build it yourself with no restrictions..
>>>
>>> Yes, REV C is the only one we will make. We will not be making
>>> old revisions.It is right to say that REV A and REV B are no
>>> longer available from us.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM,  wrote:
>>>
  Thanks for this informative heads-up!
 Does it mean that for bulk orders (we think of 1,000 or more pieces)
 there is no real plan how to go ahead? Of course, we would need a more or
 less reliable delivery slot. Or are you entering into a more widespread
 distribution and license scheme?
 Also: is Rev C the only available rev from now on? Is it right to say
 that Rev A and B are not manufactured and available any more?

 Am Montag, 14. April 2014 01:07:00 UTC+2 schrieb Jason Kridner:
>
> Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
> wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
> out there
>
>
> Element14 has a world-wide reach and a notable production capacity.
> With all of the growing demand for BeagleBone Black, they will need
> it. I consider this a huge win for open hardware!
>
> --Jason
>

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[David Funk]

Had mine for over a week. They are shipping.  India might be a bit of a
problem.



-david



On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Jones Jebaraj <
jonesjosephjeba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all, May I know when Rev C products will ship? I ask this because I
> have ordered a board in India and still it is unavailable (it also seems
> the same way around the globe). So please inform us regarding the
> availability. Thank you.
>
>
> On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:03:30 PM UTC+5:30, Gerald wrote:
>
>> I think Embest has some bulk order arrangement set up for their board.
>> You can try them. They build their own version and we allow them to use the
>> name and logo in their advertising and marking. But at the end of the day,
>> it is their product.
>>
>> We have no plans for any different distribution scheme other
>> than what we have now. And we have no plans for allowing anyone else to
>> make Beagleboards  You can certainly take the information provided and
>> build it yourself with no restrictions..
>>
>> Yes, REV C is the only one we will make. We will not be making
>> old revisions.It is right to say that REV A and REV B are no
>> longer available from us.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for this informative heads-up!
>>> Does it mean that for bulk orders (we think of 1,000 or more pieces)
>>> there is no real plan how to go ahead? Of course, we would need a more or
>>> less reliable delivery slot. Or are you entering into a more widespread
>>> distribution and license scheme?
>>> Also: is Rev C the only available rev from now on? Is it right to say
>>> that Rev A and B are not manufactured and available any more?
>>>
>>> Am Montag, 14. April 2014 01:07:00 UTC+2 schrieb Jason Kridner:

 Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
 wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
 out there


 Element14 has a world-wide reach and a notable production capacity.
 With all of the growing demand for BeagleBone Black, they will need
 it. I consider this a huge win for open hardware!

 --Jason

>>>

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Jones Jebaraj]

Hello all, May I know when Rev C products will ship? I ask this because I 
have ordered a board in India and still it is unavailable (it also seems 
the same way around the globe). So please inform us regarding the 
availability. Thank you.

On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:03:30 PM UTC+5:30, Gerald wrote:
>
> I think Embest has some bulk order arrangement set up for their board. 
> You can try them. They build their own version and we allow them to use the 
> name and logo in their advertising and marking. But at the end of the day, 
> it is their product.
>
> We have no plans for any different distribution scheme other than what we 
> have now. And we have no plans for allowing anyone else to 
> make Beagleboards  You can certainly take the information provided and 
> build it yourself with no restrictions..
>
> Yes, REV C is the only one we will make. We will not be making 
> old revisions.It is right to say that REV A and REV B are no 
> longer available from us.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM, > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this informative heads-up!
>> Does it mean that for bulk orders (we think of 1,000 or more pieces) 
>> there is no real plan how to go ahead? Of course, we would need a more or 
>> less reliable delivery slot. Or are you entering into a more widespread 
>> distribution and license scheme?
>> Also: is Rev C the only available rev from now on? Is it right to say 
>> that Rev A and B are not manufactured and available any more?
>>
>> Am Montag, 14. April 2014 01:07:00 UTC+2 schrieb Jason Kridner:
>>>
>>> Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it 
>>> wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this 
>>> out there 
>>>
>>>
>>> Element14 has a world-wide reach and a notable production capacity. 
>>> With all of the growing demand for BeagleBone Black, they will need 
>>> it. I consider this a huge win for open hardware! 
>>>
>>> --Jason 
>>>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Gerald Coley]

I think Embest has some bulk order arrangement set up for their board.
You can try them. They build their own version and we allow them to use the
name and logo in their advertising and marking. But at the end of the day,
it is their product.

We have no plans for any different distribution scheme other than what we
have now. And we have no plans for allowing anyone else to
make Beagleboards  You can certainly take the information provided and
build it yourself with no restrictions..

Yes, REV C is the only one we will make. We will not be making
old revisions.It is right to say that REV A and REV B are no
longer available from us.

Gerald


On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM,  wrote:

> Thanks for this informative heads-up!
> Does it mean that for bulk orders (we think of 1,000 or more pieces) there
> is no real plan how to go ahead? Of course, we would need a more or less
> reliable delivery slot. Or are you entering into a more widespread
> distribution and license scheme?
> Also: is Rev C the only available rev from now on? Is it right to say that
> Rev A and B are not manufactured and available any more?
>
> Am Montag, 14. April 2014 01:07:00 UTC+2 schrieb Jason Kridner:
>>
>> Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
>> wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
>> out there
>>
>>
>> Element14 has a world-wide reach and a notable production capacity.
>> With all of the growing demand for BeagleBone Black, they will need
>> it. I consider this a huge win for open hardware!
>>
>> --Jason
>>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Dave Nelson]

Wahoo! I got my order in right away.

Now I can use my Rev B in a permanent project and keep the C as something
to play/learn with.


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 3:32 PM, David Funk  wrote:

> Be prepared to order just as soon as you get that message and you too can
> be a proud owner!
>
> *Message from Adafruit Industries:*
> Thank you for ordering from Adafruit Industries,
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Drew Moore]

C Wong, quick side answer..
check out machinekit!
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[C Wong]

Hey Bas,

Quick side question: was wondering if you're able to run any PRU related 
test apps? I have an application that needs xenomai and the PRU(s) and had 
a hard time getting the standard-available debian eMMC image to play with 
xenomai and the pru nicely. I was able to quickly modify the 
cloud9-Angstrom build and add both xenomai where the pru module loads and 
ran the example apps fine, so off I went that route (with everything 
working except hdmi--ok for now). Debian offers some nice compatibility 
with folks I work with that use ROS, but don't want to about-face finding 
that I can't get xenomai or the PRU to work right...

thanks
--C

On Monday, April 14, 2014 1:51:58 AM UTC-7, Bas Laarhoven wrote:
>
>  
> Robert,
>
> The Embest board I received from Farnell last week ago has been used in my 
> BeBoPr++ production test system and I have not experienced any 
> incompatibilities. 
>
> As I posted earlier, the Angstrom software on the board was identical to 
> that on a original rev B BBB. The only differences discovered thus far are 
> mechanical and quality related. I replaced Angstrom with the Debian trial 
> image and have had no problems (other than those that were present on the 
> original BBB too). 
>
> The on-board EEPROM contents differ and can be used to identify the boards 
> if needed:
>
> Embest:
>
> 000 aa 55 33 ee 41 33 33 35 42 4e 4c 54 30 30 41 35
> 020 33 30 30 31 42 42 42 4b 39 36 30 30 58 41 58 58
> 040 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
> 060 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 41 42 43 44 45 46
> 100 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
>
> strings: "A335BNLT00A53001BBBK9600XAXX" "0123456789ABCDEF"
>
> BBB:
> 000 aa 55 33 ee 41 33 33 35 42 4e 4c 54 30 30 30 42
> 020 31 30 31 34 42 42 42 4b 31 30 39 33 ff ff ff ff
> 040 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
> 060 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
> 100 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
>
> strings: "A335BNLT000B1014BBBK1093"
>
> Except from that, both boards seem identical from a software point of view.
>
> -- Bas
>
>
> On 14-4-2014 8:59, robert.berger wrote:
>  
> Hi Jason,
>
> On Monday, April 14, 2014 2:07:00 AM UTC+3, Jason Kridner wrote: 
>>
>> Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it 
>> wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this 
>> out there 
>>
>  
> What I would be interested is software (binary) compatibility between the 
> Circuitco BBB and the Embest BB Black.
> I can't find it right now, but Rob Nelson mentioned something like "only 
> supports the Circuitco Version".
>
> Can you please enlighten me a bit on possible differences which require 
> software adjustments?
>
> I mean can I take an SD card which runs on a  Circuitco BBB and expect 
> this to work on an Embest BB Black?
>
> BTW I will do a webinar "From Arduino Uno to BeagleBone Black (and 
> back)![1] on 17th and such a question might arise.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
>
> [1] http://www.element14.com/community/events/4021
>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Gerald Coley]

We are not going to make a board without eMMC. Creating a bunch of
different boards does not help.

If a manufacturer somewhere wants to make a board without eMMC, well, they
just need to not put it on.

All the design material for making this board is and always has been
freely available. Anybody can build a board if they want to. All the
material is open source. It is all described on the WIKI.

http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Terms_of_Use

But you cannot use the BeagleBone or BeagleBoard name. We control
manufacturing. If we can't control manufacturing, it won't have the
BeagleBoard name on it.


Gerald



On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:31 PM, rh_  wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 07:01:14 -0400
> Jason Kridner  wrote:
>
> >
> > Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models.
> > I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC
> > model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and
> > Element14 boards are doing out there.
>
> We call this a not-yes.  Or not-yet-no.
>
> Do you know what number of boards is the sweet spot for manufacture?
> I'd guess it depends on the manufacturer.
>
> What would be required for a manufacturer to make the BBB with no
> eMMC? Are there any impediments to providing a PCB maker with
> all the information and paying them to make 50 BBB?  What
> restrictions apply? Does the design and goal need to be annointed
> or blessed to make it legal and legit?
>
>
> > The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community.
> > After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system
> > if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can
> > occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that
> > must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform
> > replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to
> > read-only, except for your critical data acquisition.
>
> There was some mention on this list that mixing read-only with
> writable partitions on eMMC was potential problem since eMMC
> wear-leveling don't know partitions.
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Gerald Coley]

The AM335x has only 16bits of data. SO-DIMM would be a big waste.

Gerald



On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jacek Radzikowski <
jacek.radzikow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Would SO-DIMM socketed memory be a viable option? This would free some
> space on the board, but might complicate signal routing?
>
> j.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Gerald Coley 
> wrote:
> > Not until the memory device is made that can get it to 1GB for sure. The
> > best we can do then is 1GB. The small form factor does not allow us to
> add
> > memory devices  Even then I am not sure we have the power supply to run
> it.
> > If it means a redesign of the power section, it won't happen.
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Don deJuan 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400
> >> >> Jason Kridner  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> --8<--
> >> >>
> >> >>> To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black,
> we
> >> >>> are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC
> >> >>> flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you
> can
> >> >>> work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so
> >> >>> this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev
> C
> >> >>> and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This
> extra
> >> >>> money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the
> eMMC,
> >> >>> but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever
> >> >>> rates.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to
> be
> >> >>> able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early
> >> >>> May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on
> >> >>> *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to
> >> >>> quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on
> >> >>> any units.
> >> >>>
> >> >> So no more 2GB eMMC models ever?  What about one with no eMMC
> >> >> at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from
> >> >> network, sdcard or usb.
> >> > Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models.
> >> > I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC
> >> > model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and
> >> > Element14 boards are doing out there.
> >> >
> >> >> Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long
> >> >> duration
> >> >> eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part?
> >> >> Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are
> >> >> concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely
> >> >> on it.
> >> > The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community.
> >> > After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system
> >> > if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can
> >> > occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that
> >> > must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform
> >> > replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to
> >> > read-only, except for your critical data acquisition.
> >> >
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Jacek Radzikowski]

Would SO-DIMM socketed memory be a viable option? This would free some
space on the board, but might complicate signal routing?

j.


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Gerald Coley  wrote:
> Not until the memory device is made that can get it to 1GB for sure. The
> best we can do then is 1GB. The small form factor does not allow us to add
> memory devices  Even then I am not sure we have the power supply to run it.
> If it means a redesign of the power section, it won't happen.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Don deJuan  wrote:
>>
>> On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote:
>> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ 
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400
>> >> Jason Kridner  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> --8<--
>> >>
>> >>> To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we
>> >>> are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC
>> >>> flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can
>> >>> work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so
>> >>> this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost.
>> >>>
>> >>> These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C
>> >>> and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra
>> >>> money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC,
>> >>> but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever
>> >>> rates.
>> >>>
>> >>> With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be
>> >>> able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early
>> >>> May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on
>> >>> *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to
>> >>> quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on
>> >>> any units.
>> >>>
>> >> So no more 2GB eMMC models ever?  What about one with no eMMC
>> >> at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from
>> >> network, sdcard or usb.
>> > Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models.
>> > I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC
>> > model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and
>> > Element14 boards are doing out there.
>> >
>> >> Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long
>> >> duration
>> >> eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part?
>> >> Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are
>> >> concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely
>> >> on it.
>> > The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community.
>> > After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system
>> > if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can
>> > occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that
>> > must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform
>> > replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to
>> > read-only, except for your critical data acquisition.
>> >
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>> 1GB or catching up to some of the other boards with 2GB. I realize it
>> would be a cost increase, but I think that would be a better option than
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Gerald Coley]

Sorry. Jason says it has to fit in the Altoids box. Originally the form
factor was planned to be bigger, but that was a long time ago and before we
shrunk it.

Yes, the next gen version will have a little bit more RAM and a little
faster processor for you as well. And it will be bigger.

Gerald


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM, William Hermans  wrote:

> Gerald, I for one would be willing to go with a larger form factor to gain
> more memory, and GbE.
>
> Anyhow, yes I am not trying to push you or anything like that, just making
> my thoughts known. Sounds like I will have to keep my eyes out for the next
> Generation :)
>
> IN the meantime, the minnowboard MAX *could* fit the bill, but I think I
> will wait and see whats going on with ARM for a while.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
>
>> Not until the memory device is made that can get it to 1GB for sure. The
>> best we can do then is 1GB. The small form factor does not allow us to add
>> memory devices  Even then I am not sure we have the power supply to run it.
>> If it means a redesign of the power section, it won't happen.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Don deJuan wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote:
>>> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ 
>>> wrote:
>>> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400
>>> >> Jason Kridner  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> --8<--
>>> >>
>>> >>> To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black,
>>> we
>>> >>> are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC
>>> >>> flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you
>>> can
>>> >>> work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so
>>> >>> this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C
>>> >>> and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra
>>> >>> money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the
>>> eMMC,
>>> >>> but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever
>>> >>> rates.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to
>>> be
>>> >>> able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early
>>> >>> May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on
>>> >>> *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to
>>> >>> quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on
>>> >>> any units.
>>> >>>
>>> >> So no more 2GB eMMC models ever?  What about one with no eMMC
>>> >> at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from
>>> >> network, sdcard or usb.
>>> > Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models.
>>> > I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC
>>> > model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and
>>> > Element14 boards are doing out there.
>>> >
>>> >> Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long
>>> duration
>>> >> eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part?
>>> >> Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are
>>> >> concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely
>>> >> on it.
>>> > The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community.
>>> > After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system
>>> > if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can
>>> > occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that
>>> > must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform
>>> > replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to
>>> > read-only, except for your critical data acquisition.
>>> >
>>> >> --
>>> >> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss
>>> >> ---
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>>> 1GB or catching up to some of the other boards with 2GB. I realize it
>>> would be a cost increase, but I think that would be a better option than
>>> no eMMC.
>>>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[William Hermans]

Gerald, I for one would be willing to go with a larger form factor to gain
more memory, and GbE.

Anyhow, yes I am not trying to push you or anything like that, just making
my thoughts known. Sounds like I will have to keep my eyes out for the next
Generation :)

IN the meantime, the minnowboard MAX *could* fit the bill, but I think I
will wait and see whats going on with ARM for a while.


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:

> Not until the memory device is made that can get it to 1GB for sure. The
> best we can do then is 1GB. The small form factor does not allow us to add
> memory devices  Even then I am not sure we have the power supply to run it.
> If it means a redesign of the power section, it won't happen.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Don deJuan wrote:
>
>> On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote:
>> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ 
>> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400
>> >> Jason Kridner  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> --8<--
>> >>
>> >>> To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we
>> >>> are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC
>> >>> flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can
>> >>> work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so
>> >>> this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost.
>> >>>
>> >>> These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C
>> >>> and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra
>> >>> money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC,
>> >>> but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever
>> >>> rates.
>> >>>
>> >>> With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be
>> >>> able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early
>> >>> May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on
>> >>> *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to
>> >>> quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on
>> >>> any units.
>> >>>
>> >> So no more 2GB eMMC models ever?  What about one with no eMMC
>> >> at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from
>> >> network, sdcard or usb.
>> > Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models.
>> > I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC
>> > model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and
>> > Element14 boards are doing out there.
>> >
>> >> Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long
>> duration
>> >> eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part?
>> >> Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are
>> >> concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely
>> >> on it.
>> > The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community.
>> > After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system
>> > if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can
>> > occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that
>> > must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform
>> > replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to
>> > read-only, except for your critical data acquisition.
>> >
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>> 1GB or catching up to some of the other boards with 2GB. I realize it
>> would be a cost increase, but I think that would be a better option than
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Gerald Coley]

Not until the memory device is made that can get it to 1GB for sure. The
best we can do then is 1GB. The small form factor does not allow us to add
memory devices  Even then I am not sure we have the power supply to run it.
If it means a redesign of the power section, it won't happen.

Gerald


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Don deJuan  wrote:

> On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ 
> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400
> >> Jason Kridner  wrote:
> >>
> >> --8<--
> >>
> >>> To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we
> >>> are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC
> >>> flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can
> >>> work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so
> >>> this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost.
> >>>
> >>> These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C
> >>> and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra
> >>> money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC,
> >>> but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever
> >>> rates.
> >>>
> >>> With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be
> >>> able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early
> >>> May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on
> >>> *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to
> >>> quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on
> >>> any units.
> >>>
> >> So no more 2GB eMMC models ever?  What about one with no eMMC
> >> at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from
> >> network, sdcard or usb.
> > Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models.
> > I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC
> > model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and
> > Element14 boards are doing out there.
> >
> >> Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration
> >> eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part?
> >> Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are
> >> concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely
> >> on it.
> > The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community.
> > After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system
> > if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can
> > occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that
> > must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform
> > replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to
> > read-only, except for your critical data acquisition.
> >
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> 1GB or catching up to some of the other boards with 2GB. I realize it
> would be a cost increase, but I think that would be a better option than
> no eMMC.
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Don deJuan]

On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_  wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400
>> Jason Kridner  wrote:
>>
>> --8<--
>>
>>> To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we
>>> are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC
>>> flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can
>>> work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so
>>> this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost.
>>>
>>> These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C
>>> and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra
>>> money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC,
>>> but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever
>>> rates.
>>>
>>> With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be
>>> able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early
>>> May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on
>>> *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to
>>> quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on
>>> any units.
>>>
>> So no more 2GB eMMC models ever?  What about one with no eMMC
>> at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from
>> network, sdcard or usb.
> Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models.
> I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC
> model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and
> Element14 boards are doing out there.
>
>> Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration
>> eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part?
>> Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are
>> concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely
>> on it.
> The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community.
> After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system
> if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can
> occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that
> must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform
> replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to
> read-only, except for your critical data acquisition.
>
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any chance we will get a bump in RAM any time soon? Would love to see
1GB or catching up to some of the other boards with 2GB. I realize it
would be a cost increase, but I think that would be a better option than
no eMMC.

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Gerald Coley]

Drop the expansion headers and a lot of things could be done. Keep them,
and you won't get Dual GbE. You might be better waiting on the
next generation offering.

Gerald



On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:36 PM, William Hermans  wrote:

> Charles, yes thats it thanks.
>
> Jason,  Just on a rough guess, how much would a 4GB model with GbE, and
> 1GB memory cost ? Since you mention KickStarter, I figure if the price
> point could be low enough, it also might be worth it. Dual GbE would even
> be better( I bet you all can see where I am going with this ).
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Robert Berger <
> robert.karl.ber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I mean can I take an SD card which runs on a  Circuitco BBB and expect
>> this
>> >> to work on an Embest BB Black?
>> >
>> > Yes.
>>
>>
>> OK thanks!
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> BTW I will do a webinar "From Arduino Uno to BeagleBone Black (and
>> back)![1]
>> >> on 17th and such a question might arise.
>> >
>> > Sounds interesting. Will you talk about stuff like Userspace Arduino
>> > and using the PRUs?
>>
>> Not really. It's just 30 min ;)
>>
>> For the average Embedded software person it's quite painful to create
>> (or let others create) prototyping hardware in order to write software
>> which talks to sensors and actuators. On the one hand it's quite
>> straightforward to build up some hardware and write test software with
>> libraries available for the Arduino UNO, on the other hand it's not that
>> easy to do the same thing "right" in Embedded Linux. Wouldn't it be nice
>> to reuse this tested hardware prototype and write code for Embedded
>> Linux to talk to it? I intentionally don't want to use Arduino wrapping
>> libraries on Linux since those are typically not industrial strength,
>> but targeted towards hobbyists. This is what's going to be presented
>> here. BTW the prototyping hardware is not only able to convert signal
>> levels from an Arduino UNO (shield) to a Beagle Bone, but also to
>> convert signal levels from a Beagle Bone (cape) to an Arduino UNO if
>> that's needed.
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Robert
>> >>
>> >> [1] http://www.element14.com/community/events/4021
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[William Hermans]

Charles, yes thats it thanks.

Jason,  Just on a rough guess, how much would a 4GB model with GbE, and 1GB
memory cost ? Since you mention KickStarter, I figure if the price point
could be low enough, it also might be worth it. Dual GbE would even be
better( I bet you all can see where I am going with this ).


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Robert Berger  wrote:

> Hi,
> >>
> >> I mean can I take an SD card which runs on a  Circuitco BBB and expect
> this
> >> to work on an Embest BB Black?
> >
> > Yes.
>
>
> OK thanks!
>
> >
> >>
> >> BTW I will do a webinar "From Arduino Uno to BeagleBone Black (and
> back)![1]
> >> on 17th and such a question might arise.
> >
> > Sounds interesting. Will you talk about stuff like Userspace Arduino
> > and using the PRUs?
>
> Not really. It's just 30 min ;)
>
> For the average Embedded software person it's quite painful to create
> (or let others create) prototyping hardware in order to write software
> which talks to sensors and actuators. On the one hand it's quite
> straightforward to build up some hardware and write test software with
> libraries available for the Arduino UNO, on the other hand it's not that
> easy to do the same thing "right" in Embedded Linux. Wouldn't it be nice
> to reuse this tested hardware prototype and write code for Embedded
> Linux to talk to it? I intentionally don't want to use Arduino wrapping
> libraries on Linux since those are typically not industrial strength,
> but targeted towards hobbyists. This is what's going to be presented
> here. BTW the prototyping hardware is not only able to convert signal
> levels from an Arduino UNO (shield) to a Beagle Bone, but also to
> convert signal levels from a Beagle Bone (cape) to an Arduino UNO if
> that's needed.
>
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> [1] http://www.element14.com/community/events/4021
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Robert Berger]

Hi,
>>
>> I mean can I take an SD card which runs on a  Circuitco BBB and expect this
>> to work on an Embest BB Black?
> 
> Yes.


OK thanks!

> 
>>
>> BTW I will do a webinar "From Arduino Uno to BeagleBone Black (and back)![1]
>> on 17th and such a question might arise.
> 
> Sounds interesting. Will you talk about stuff like Userspace Arduino
> and using the PRUs?

Not really. It's just 30 min ;)

For the average Embedded software person it's quite painful to create
(or let others create) prototyping hardware in order to write software
which talks to sensors and actuators. On the one hand it's quite
straightforward to build up some hardware and write test software with
libraries available for the Arduino UNO, on the other hand it's not that
easy to do the same thing "right" in Embedded Linux. Wouldn't it be nice
to reuse this tested hardware prototype and write code for Embedded
Linux to talk to it? I intentionally don't want to use Arduino wrapping
libraries on Linux since those are typically not industrial strength,
but targeted towards hobbyists. This is what's going to be presented
here. BTW the prototyping hardware is not only able to convert signal
levels from an Arduino UNO (shield) to a Beagle Bone, but also to
convert signal levels from a Beagle Bone (cape) to an Arduino UNO if
that's needed.

> 
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> [1] http://www.element14.com/community/events/4021
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Jason Kridner]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Micka  wrote:
> Well I can't agree more with you ... I'm not using the eMMC because I need
> the pins that the eMMC use  .
>
> Why not only using sdcard ? it's much more easy to programm the BBB with
> sdcard than with eMMC ... .


There certainly is a value to going back to no eMMC, but the
reliability, performance and cost advantages make it more practical
for the standard BeagleBone Black.


>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:25 AM, rh_  wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400
>> Jason Kridner  wrote:
>>
>> --8<--
>>
>> > To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we
>> > are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC
>> > flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can
>> > work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so
>> > this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost.
>> >
>> > These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C
>> > and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra
>> > money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC,
>> > but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever
>> > rates.
>> >
>> > With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be
>> > able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early
>> > May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on
>> > *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to
>> > quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on
>> > any units.
>> >
>>
>> So no more 2GB eMMC models ever?  What about one with no eMMC
>> at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from
>> network, sdcard or usb.
>>
>> Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration
>> eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part?
>> Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are
>> concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely
>> on it.
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Jason Kridner]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_  wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400
> Jason Kridner  wrote:
>
> --8<--
>
>> To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we
>> are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC
>> flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can
>> work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so
>> this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost.
>>
>> These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C
>> and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra
>> money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC,
>> but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever
>> rates.
>>
>> With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be
>> able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early
>> May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on
>> *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to
>> quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on
>> any units.
>>
>
> So no more 2GB eMMC models ever?  What about one with no eMMC
> at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from
> network, sdcard or usb.

Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models.
I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC
model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and
Element14 boards are doing out there.

>
> Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration
> eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part?
> Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are
> concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely
> on it.

The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community.
After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system
if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can
occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that
must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform
replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to
read-only, except for your critical data acquisition.

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Jason Kridner]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 2:59 AM, robert.berger
 wrote:
> Hi Jason,
>
>
> On Monday, April 14, 2014 2:07:00 AM UTC+3, Jason Kridner wrote:
>>
>> Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
>> wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
>> out there
>
>
> What I would be interested is software (binary) compatibility between the
> Circuitco BBB and the Embest BB Black.
> I can't find it right now, but Rob Nelson mentioned something like "only
> supports the Circuitco Version".

Before switching to the "Element14 BeagleBone Black" branded boards,
they sold off some of their older stock which had some really old
firmware on it. It was determined that the really old firmware was to
blame for Robert's code not booting. Reflashing the board solved the
issue.

>
> Can you please enlighten me a bit on possible differences which require
> software adjustments?

There are none. Future boards should line up with the same software
version we deliver to CircuitCo.

>
> I mean can I take an SD card which runs on a  Circuitco BBB and expect this
> to work on an Embest BB Black?

Yes.

>
> BTW I will do a webinar "From Arduino Uno to BeagleBone Black (and back)![1]
> on 17th and such a question might arise.

Sounds interesting. Will you talk about stuff like Userspace Arduino
and using the PRUs?

>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
>
> [1] http://www.element14.com/community/events/4021
>
>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Bas Laarhoven]

Robert,

The Embest board I received from Farnell last week ago has been used in 
my BeBoPr++ production test system and I have not experienced any 
incompatibilities.


As I posted earlier, the Angstrom software on the board was identical to 
that on a original rev B BBB. The only differences discovered thus far 
are mechanical and quality related. I replaced Angstrom with the Debian 
trial image and have had no problems (other than those that were present 
on the original BBB too).


The on-board EEPROM contents differ and can be used to identify the 
boards if needed:


Embest:

000 aa 55 33 ee 41 33 33 35 42 4e 4c 54 30 30 41 35
020 33 30 30 31 42 42 42 4b 39 36 30 30 58 41 58 58
040 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
060 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 41 42 43 44 45 46
100 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff

strings: "A335BNLT00A53001BBBK9600XAXX" "0123456789ABCDEF"

BBB:
000 aa 55 33 ee 41 33 33 35 42 4e 4c 54 30 30 30 42
020 31 30 31 34 42 42 42 4b 31 30 39 33 ff ff ff ff
040 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
060 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
100 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff

strings: "A335BNLT000B1014BBBK1093"

Except from that, both boards seem identical from a software point of view.

-- Bas


On 14-4-2014 8:59, robert.berger wrote:

Hi Jason,

On Monday, April 14, 2014 2:07:00 AM UTC+3, Jason Kridner wrote:

Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it
wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this
out there


What I would be interested is software (binary) compatibility between 
the Circuitco BBB and the Embest BB Black.
I can't find it right now, but Rob Nelson mentioned something like 
"only supports the Circuitco Version".


Can you please enlighten me a bit on possible differences which 
require software adjustments?


I mean can I take an SD card which runs on a  Circuitco BBB and expect 
this to work on an Embest BB Black?


BTW I will do a webinar "From Arduino Uno to BeagleBone Black (and 
back)![1] on 17th and such a question might arise.


Regards,

Robert

[1] http://www.element14.com/community/events/4021





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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?

[Micka]

Well I can't agree more with you ... I'm not using the eMMC because I need
the pins that the eMMC use  .

Why not only using sdcard ? it's much more easy to programm the BBB with
sdcard than with eMMC ... .


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:25 AM, rh_  wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400
> Jason Kridner  wrote:
>
> --8<--
>
> > To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we
> > are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC
> > flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can
> > work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so
> > this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost.
> >
> > These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C
> > and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra
> > money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC,
> > but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever
> > rates.
> >
> > With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be
> > able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early
> > May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on
> > *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to
> > quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on
> > any units.
> >
>
> So no more 2GB eMMC models ever?  What about one with no eMMC
> at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from
> network, sdcard or usb.
>
> Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration
> eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part?
> Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are
> concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely
> on it.
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