Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
2011/5/22 Leo Lapworth : > http://www.dotcloud.com/ is in beta with Perl but might be worth > looking at if that fits your needs Yes, i think good, and Tatsuhiko Miyagawa the author of PSGI and much more module at join dotcloud. -- \0/ Hobbestigrou site web: erakis.im -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
On 11 May 2011 03:35, wrote: > Can someone recommend a good ISP that keeps up with Perl? > There has to be a company out there that doesn't treat Perl like a > second class citizen. http://www.dotcloud.com/ is in beta with Perl but might be worth looking at if that fits your needs Leo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:13:51 +0100, Rob Dixon wrote: > I wonder what you urgently need that isn't in 5.8.8? Yes, 5.10/5.12 has > a few nice things in it, but nothing life-changing. Some modules won't build with the version of ExtUtils::MakeMaker that comes with 5.8.8. Fairly major modules too, although I'm not sure exactly which ones right now. And cpan ExtUtils::MakeMaker won't help since core comes before site in @INC. -- Peter Scott http://www.perlmedic.com/ http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.informit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0137001274 http://www.oreillyschool.com/courses/perl3/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
On 11/05/2011 03:35, sono...@fannullone.us wrote: Can someone recommend a good ISP that keeps up with Perl? Right now we're with A2 Hosting and they're still stuck at version 5.8.8, and they refuse to upgrade because, and I quote . . . This is off topic, as the original poster said. Please can we talk about Perl the language, for beginners? Rob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > On May 11, 2011, at 12:49 PM, shawn wilson wrote: > >> besides, it's not like cPanel (or anything else) can't tell perl to >> 'use 5.8.8;' - so what is the point? > > My point is simply this - perception. There are plenty of hosts out > there telling people to use them because they have the latest version of _X_. > But how many of them tout that they have the latest version of Perl? In my > (admittedly short) search here lately, I'd say Zero. > well, if you'd like to look into different hosting solutions and see what their support for perl is (both technical expertise and version), it would be a good topic to write about. i'd be interested in the verdict. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
On May 11, 2011, at 12:49 PM, shawn wilson wrote: > besides, it's not like cPanel (or anything else) can't tell perl to > 'use 5.8.8;' - so what is the point? My point is simply this - perception. There are plenty of hosts out there telling people to use them because they have the latest version of _X_. But how many of them tout that they have the latest version of Perl? In my (admittedly short) search here lately, I'd say Zero. The Perl 5 community seems to have "come alive" here in the last few years, what with the release of 5.12 and projects like Moose, Catalyst, etc. This is great news! I'm excited about it and I know a lot of Perl developers are too. Unfortunately, the general public doesn't seem to know about this revival yet. I've counted 7 stable releases of Perl since 5.8.8, but outside of the Perl community, you'd think that Perl 5 was dead in the water - stuck in the year 2006 - and that Perl 6 is stillborn. I inherited an e-commerce Perl script that I'm having a heck of a time trying to sell, and a big reason is the perception that Perl has. I've actually had people who were interested in it, once they found out it was written in Perl, say 'No thanks, I don't want it now.' simply because of their perception of Perl. I'm not bad mouthing other languages - I've written in PHP, as well. I just think that we, as a community, could do more to get the word out that Perl is alive and well, and, IMHO, getting the major hosting companies on board would be a huge boost because they are the face of Perl to the end user. Anyway, I realize that this is the beginners list and that I'm new here, so I don't want to go off on a rant. I just want to find a host that's committed to Perl. That's all. Marc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:51 PM, wrote: > On May 11, 2011, at 4:26 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > >>> I wonder what you urgently need that isn't in 5.8.8? Yes, 5.10/5.12 has >>> a few nice things in it, but nothing life-changing. >> >> I suppose the biggest things aren't really language features as such. >> 5.14.0 will very shortly be released. That will also mark the end of >> official developer support for 5.10.x, let alone 5.8.x. This is >> probably most important should any security problems be found. > any 'unix' distro that says they support their system for a year and a half to two years will support your perl. in fact, generally these same people are amongst the core perl devs. so i don't think they'd let official perl support for a version drop that they've got in an environment with service contracts. > Excellent response, as well as all the others. Bottom line for me is > that I'm just tired of Perl being treated like the ugly stepchild. Whenever > I talk about our script, once people hear that it's written in Perl, they > usually just say, "Oh...". Then the next question inevitably is "Why don't > you write it in PHP?" > who cares? my response would be 'if you do it better in php, and you get the same ab results as me, i'll roll with that'. my only issue with php is that they break things between versions and people think they can write a quick and dirty web app and put the most insecure peace of shit up. and i don't think it has a very fast / robust parser (?) but, tons of smart people write python (i don't because i don't like their parser). and ruby is pretty slick too. > I'm sure everyone here is well aware that, in some circles, Perl has > gotten a reputation of being a dying language and I believe that hosting > companies are partly to blame. Heck, A2 hardly even mentioned Perl on their > website until I finally got ahold of a sympathetic ear there back in 2007. > i've read some statements by some unknowledgeable people. however, there is nothing that any other language has that perl doesn't ah java has some interesting modules, but i can't stand java, so... > One more thing: I was just told that cPanel, which is written in Perl, is > stuck at 5.8.8. If that's true, then that could be the cause of a lot of > hosts only offering 5.8.8. Since cPanel is so popular, maybe they should be > prodded to upgrade. > what do you mean 'stuck'? what does any newer version of perl (besides 6 - which will break most things) has that you need? here, i'll start your list off: * given / when ... anything else? besides, it's not like cPanel (or anything else) can't tell perl to 'use 5.8.8;' - so what is the point? i think you've sat down wrong and are just not liking older (better tested) versions of program? i'm looking for a solid reason for you to want a newer version - i'm doing modperl and i could remove 30 lines with this feature, i've benchmarked my application of these two versions and gotten x speed improvement, i'm running into cpan dependency hell because this module said it needs >5.8, something? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
On May 11, 2011, at 4:26 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> I wonder what you urgently need that isn't in 5.8.8? Yes, 5.10/5.12 has >> a few nice things in it, but nothing life-changing. > > I suppose the biggest things aren't really language features as such. > 5.14.0 will very shortly be released. That will also mark the end of > official developer support for 5.10.x, let alone 5.8.x. This is > probably most important should any security problems be found. Excellent response, as well as all the others. Bottom line for me is that I'm just tired of Perl being treated like the ugly stepchild. Whenever I talk about our script, once people hear that it's written in Perl, they usually just say, "Oh...". Then the next question inevitably is "Why don't you write it in PHP?" I'm sure everyone here is well aware that, in some circles, Perl has gotten a reputation of being a dying language and I believe that hosting companies are partly to blame. Heck, A2 hardly even mentioned Perl on their website until I finally got ahold of a sympathetic ear there back in 2007. Back on topic, I have some good news to report. I hear that Pair Networks is in the process of upgrading their servers to 5.10.1. Does anyone know of any others? Marc BTW, does Larry (or anyone else) try to persuade hosting companies to keep up with the latest versions of Perl? If not, that might be a good strategy to implement (I know - easier said than done). However, if end users were to see their hosts actively promoting Perl, it would go a long way to relieve their anxiety over paying for Perl scripts. Unfortunately, perception is everything. =:\ One more thing: I was just told that cPanel, which is written in Perl, is stuck at 5.8.8. If that's true, then that could be the cause of a lot of hosts only offering 5.8.8. Since cPanel is so popular, maybe they should be prodded to upgrade. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:13:51AM +0100, Rob Dixon wrote: > I wonder what you urgently need that isn't in 5.8.8? Yes, 5.10/5.12 has > a few nice things in it, but nothing life-changing. I suppose the biggest things aren't really language features as such. 5.14.0 will very shortly be released. That will also mark the end of official developer support for 5.10.x, let alone 5.8.x. This is probably most important should any security problems be found. Supported versions of perl are likely to receive official fixes in short order. With unsupported versions this is unlikely. Another consideration will be that CPAN authors will start dropping support for older versions. Naturally you can still use older versions of modules but again, these will probably be unsupported. I think that hardly anyone gratuitously drops support for older versions, but there are some nice features and bug fixes in modern versions, and CPAN authors are going to want to make use of them, even if you (the developer using those modules) don't. -- Paul Johnson - p...@pjcj.net http://www.pjcj.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
On 11/05/2011 03:35, sono...@fannullone.us wrote: Can someone recommend a good ISP that keeps up with Perl? Right now we're with A2 Hosting and they're still stuck at version 5.8.8, and they refuse to upgrade because, and I quote, "we unfortunately cannot perform a global upgrade on perl as it may cause severe problems with other users and applications across the board at this time." There has to be a company out there that doesn't treat Perl like a second class citizen. Hey Marc I wonder what you urgently need that isn't in 5.8.8? Yes, 5.10/5.12 has a few nice things in it, but nothing life-changing. Rob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
On Wednesday 11 May 2011 05:57:50 Jeff Pang wrote: > 2011/5/11 : > >Can someone recommend a good ISP that keeps up with Perl? Right > > now we're with A2 Hosting and they're still stuck at version 5.8.8, and > > they refuse to upgrade because, and I quote, > > Using VPS you can install any version of Perl. > Curently I am using two VPS, one is Linode, another is namecheap's. > Or try Amoson AMS for a year free. You can also install a different perl somewhere under ~/ using perlbrew or whatever: http://search.cpan.org/dist/App-perlbrew/ Of course, making this perl behave well with mod_perl/etc. is a massive undertaking. That put aside, maintaining a Virtual Private Server (VPS), which is for-all- practical-purposes a server, is considerably harder than maintaining an ssh account, and requires one to be a good system administrator if you don't want to get cracked. I was told that most good programmers do not make good system administrators (despite the fact that all clueful system administrators need to know how to code and write scripts and other stuff), because it's a very different mentality. So I would suggest you find a better ssh-hosting, unless you are sure you can actively maintain a proper VPS. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Freecell Solver - http://fc-solve.berlios.de/ Yesterday I asked one of my students if she knew what an encyclopedia is, and she said: "Is it something like Wikipedia?". -- http://twitter.com/alisonclement/status/8421314259 Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:35 PM, wrote: > Can someone recommend a good ISP that keeps up with Perl? Right now > we're with A2 Hosting and they're still stuck at version 5.8.8, and they > refuse to upgrade because, and I quote, > > "we unfortunately cannot perform a global upgrade on perl as it may cause > severe problems with other users and applications across the board at this > time." > > There has to be a company out there that doesn't treat Perl like a > second class citizen. > this doesn't give your grievance any less credence. however, iirc, the last stable version of debian and rhel/cent were using 5.8. both distros have sense moved forward. however, depending on the size of the hosting company, they might still be testing their next build. (trust me, you prefer this vs your stuff going down whenever a mouse sneezes) that said, the above comment is bull shit any way you look at it. it's either an exec, sales person, or someone that doesn't know wtf they're talking about. this is perl after all, not php (or even python). amazon aws is $0.10 an hour (idling) last time i checked - that's $70/mo. and rackspace is worse (in price). while these services might scale, i can easily find 1u of space for $100. i can also justify a business connection for around the same price. these are obviously levels less in redundancy and levels more in effort and insurability. however, the old adage: cost, speed, reliability - pick two, comes to mind. these days, though, i'd also add 'control' to that mix :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: [OT] Good Perl ISP's
2011/5/11 : > Can someone recommend a good ISP that keeps up with Perl? Right now > we're with A2 Hosting and they're still stuck at version 5.8.8, and they > refuse to upgrade because, and I quote, > Using VPS you can install any version of Perl. Curently I am using two VPS, one is Linode, another is namecheap's. Or try Amoson AMS for a year free. -- Jeff Pang www.DNSbed.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
[OT] Good Perl ISP's
Can someone recommend a good ISP that keeps up with Perl? Right now we're with A2 Hosting and they're still stuck at version 5.8.8, and they refuse to upgrade because, and I quote, "we unfortunately cannot perform a global upgrade on perl as it may cause severe problems with other users and applications across the board at this time." There has to be a company out there that doesn't treat Perl like a second class citizen. Thanks, Marc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
