Re: Perl - Web Development
Paul Kraus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This may be asking for biased opinions but here goes anyways... Is perl still a good choice for the web. For instance I need to setup a couple sites that are going to be running on IIS. Is perl still a good choice for speed ect... Or should I look at the newer technologies such as vb.net on for that matter c#. I really hate playing (mico)devils advocate, but ASP.NET combined with Visual Studio.NET is really, really, REALLY nice. Mainily what I am talking about is the debugging features. When you right click on the solution in the solution explorer, you can choose a file to load in the solution, you can type in a url to debug, or it has an option that says wait for external process to connect. Then when you hit F10 the debugger will fire up in whatever mode that was specified, and debug an enire browsing session, not just a single request. For example, after the first debugging page loads the debugger does not stop. If the next link you click or html form you submit goes back to your server, the debugging session continues. So you can thoretically step over every line of code in your app from log in to log out in one debugging session. And I havent even mentioned intellisense. If you thought VS6 intellisense was even kind of okay, VS.NETs intellisense is absolutely amazing. Strong typing is enforced, but it dosent really matter becase intellisense tells you what data type each function/method returns, so you dont have to dig in the docs to determine how to declare your object. There is even a XML based documentation system so you (the class author) can tell your users what datatypes your functions/methods reurn. The user adds a reference to your assembly in thiers, and your assembly works just like a builtin .NET class library. *nix web development has absolutely nothing like this. The best I have found is Apache -X and ptkdb for mod_perl, or activestate's CGI environment debugg ing (that handles perl, python, and PHP) which are mediocre at best when compared to VS.NET And then there is the FOR XML clauses in Transact-SQL, a SQL superset supported by SQL Server 2000. Its, well, really nice. But I did prototype an app on a redhat mod_perl Apache httpd and it was noticeably faster than the app I subsequently converted to ASP.NET. I know perl and the idea of being able to use the same language in everything I do would be great but am I going to take a hit on performance. Can it be embedded into html? What is mason does that run on IIS. Embedding logic in markup is a maintanence nightmare. Learn, Live, Love the model-view-controller pattern. Vive XML. I use perl now for admin task and reports(yes perl is good for reporting ;) ). I can use the same tools I design on my Linux, UNIX, and window$ machines. But is it wise to do so for the web. CGI has been around for a long time and there are a lot of new emerging technologies. I learned ASP.NET because I had to for a job. All my freelance work was and is still developed in mod_perl, if that says anything. I would just like a nice IDE. VS.NET has spoiled me. I guess we could make one, Mozilla has alot of the work done already. Group? Todd W. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perl - Web Development
This may be asking for biased opinions but here goes anyways... Is perl still a good choice for the web. For instance I need to setup a couple sites that are going to be running on IIS. Is perl still a good choice for speed ect... Or should I look at the newer technologies such as vb.net on for that matter c#. I know perl and the idea of being able to use the same language in everything I do would be great but am I going to take a hit on performance. Can it be embedded into html? What is mason does that run on IIS. I use perl now for admin task and reports(yes perl is good for reporting ;) ). I can use the same tools I design on my Linux, UNIX, and window$ machines. But is it wise to do so for the web. CGI has been around for a long time and there are a lot of new emerging technologies. Rule of thumb is choose the best tool for the job. So all input is appreciated. PK -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl - Web Development
From: Paul Kraus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Perl - Web Development Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:49:10 -0400 This may be asking for biased opinions but here goes anyways... Is perl still a good choice for the web. For instance I need to setup a couple sites that are going to be running on IIS. Is perl still a good choice for speed ect... Or should I look at the newer technologies such as vb.net on for that matter c#. Be alert if you choose new technologies they may be not so mature. (For example whisky is the best at 12 years :-) ) C# and .net are Microsoft stuff, so you'll lose the platform independence. I know perl and the idea of being able to use the same language in everything I do would be great but am I going to take a hit on performance. Can it be embedded into html? What is mason does that run on IIS. I use perl now for admin task and reports(yes perl is good for reporting ;) ). I can use the same tools I design on my Linux, UNIX, and window$ machines. But is it wise to do so for the web. CGI has been around for a long time and there are a lot of new emerging technologies. Old reliable tools. You may check PHP, too. Rule of thumb is choose the best tool for the job. So all input is appreciated. Agreed, good luck. Gabaux Linux is like a wigwam: no gates, no windows, and an apache inside! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl - Web Development
On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Paul Kraus wrote: This may be asking for biased opinions but here goes anyways... Is perl still a good choice for the web. Yes. Perl is a very good choice from all aspects. For instance I need to setup a couple sites that are going to be running on IIS. Is perl still a good choice for speed ect... If you're running it on IIS, you can try using ActiveState's PerlEx: http://www.activestate.com/Products/PerlEx/ This will make Perl very fast, in a comparable speed to Apache's mod_perl. Or should I look at the newer technologies such as vb.net on for that matter c#. I don't know too much about VB.Net C#, or ASP.Net so I cannot comment. I know ASP.Net has a problem in which you need to explicitly deallocate all the allocated resources, or else they'll leak. I know perl and the idea of being able to use the same language in everything I do would be great but am I going to take a hit on performance. Can it be embedded into html? What is mason does that run on IIS. Mason can run on top of IIS by means of its CGI emulation. However, there's also Perl ASP, which is a native IIS technology. They are similar in spirit but Mason is more powerful. I use perl now for admin task and reports(yes perl is good for reporting ;) ). I can use the same tools I design on my Linux, UNIX, and window$ machines. But is it wise to do so for the web. CGI has been around for a long time and there are a lot of new emerging technologies. Perl can utilize other technologies besides CGI using much the same interface. You can run Perl on top of mod_perl, or PerlEx, or something similar. They are faster than CGI. Rule of thumb is choose the best tool for the job. So all input is appreciated. I believe Perl is still the best tool for the job of web-publishing. Regards, Shlomi Fish PK -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ An apple a day will keep a doctor away. Two apples a day will keep two doctors away. Falk Fish -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl - Web Development
From: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Paul Kraus wrote: This may be asking for biased opinions but here goes anyways... Is perl still a good choice for the web. Yes. Perl is a very good choice from all aspects. Definitely. Wish the bosses would see that. Or should I look at the newer technologies such as vb.net on for that matter c#. I don't know too much about VB.Net C#, or ASP.Net so I cannot comment. I know ASP.Net has a problem in which you need to explicitly deallocate all the allocated resources, or else they'll leak. Yeah I've been told some scary things about the garbage collector in .Net On the other side, you may try Perl.NET ( http://www.activestate.com/Products/Perl_Dev_Kit/) and PerlASPX (http://www.activestate.com/Products/PerlASPX/) I know perl and the idea of being able to use the same language in everything I do would be great but am I going to take a hit on performance. Can it be embedded into html? What is mason does that run on IIS. Mason can run on top of IIS by means of its CGI emulation. However, there's also Perl ASP, which is a native IIS technology. They are similar in spirit but Mason is more powerful. Last time I looked the performance of ASP+PerlScript wasn't great. It was much better to run perl via PerlIS.DLL (inprocess interpreter of Perl for IIS, part of the free ActivePerl) or even PerlEx. Jenda = [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz = When it comes to wine, women and song, wizards are allowed to get drunk and croon as much as they like. -- Terry Pratchett in Sourcery -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl - Web Development
Paul Kraus wrote at Wed, 04 Jun 2003 09:49:10 -0400: This may be asking for biased opinions but here goes anyways... Is perl still a good choice for the web. For instance I need to setup a couple sites that are going to be running on IIS. Is perl still a good choice for speed ect... In addition to the others, Perl's greatest benifitit is perhaps the choice for speed of the (expensive) programmers. Everything that can be done with Perl, can also be done with C, C#, VB.net, ... (and if you are good than also quicker), but a good Perl programmer will be much quicker than good C, good C#, good VB.net, ... programmers. (The only exception, I see, is PHP, but that's not such powerful than Perl is - but powerful enough for web applications) If you are already familiar with Perl but not with PHP, you should choose Perl, IMHO, reducing the extra work. Greetings, Janek PS: And for big, specialised applications (e.g. shopping websites), there are expensive, but convenient tools (like the one of Intershop). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
