Re: perl book
any online version? prem --- Gabriel Striewe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Programming Perl by Larry Wall (the author of Perl himself), Tom Christiansen and Jon Orwant Regards Gabriel = [Prem's blog] http://www.premrara.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/ http://learn.perl.org/first-response
Re: perl book
On 20 Apr 2004, at 12:10, Prem Vilas Fortran M. Rara wrote: --- Gabriel Striewe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Programming Perl by Larry Wall (the author of Perl himself), Tom Christiansen and Jon Orwant any online version? http://safari.oreilly.com/, which also has Learning Perl. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/ http://learn.perl.org/first-response
Re: perl book
*Programming Perl by Larry Wall (the author of Perl himself), Tom Christiansen and Jon Orwant Regards Gabriel http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596000278/qid=1082459072/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/102-7371199-7172966?v=glances=booksn=507846 On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 03:52:01AM -0700, Prem Vilas Fortran M. Rara wrote: i am looking for a very good perl book. what can you recommend? thank you. prem = [Prem's blog] http://www.premrara.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/ http://learn.perl.org/first-response -- http://www.gabriel-striewe.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/ http://learn.perl.org/first-response
Re: perl book
You could try O'Reilly's Safari at http://safari.oreilly.com/?x=1mode=sectionsortKey=titlesortOrder=ascview=xmlid=0-596-00027-8/copyrightopen=falseg=catid=s=1b=1f=1t=1c=1u=1r=o=1 but you need to subsribe to it (they do offer a trial). Apart from that, I do not know about other online versions of this book: only the online documentation at http://www.perl.org Regards Gabriel On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:10:59AM -0700, Prem Vilas Fortran M. Rara wrote: any online version? prem --- Gabriel Striewe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Programming Perl by Larry Wall (the author of Perl himself), Tom Christiansen and Jon Orwant Regards Gabriel = [Prem's blog] http://www.premrara.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/ http://learn.perl.org/first-response -- http://www.gabriel-striewe.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/ http://learn.perl.org/first-response
Re: perl book
Prem Vilas Fortran M. Rara wrote: i am looking for a very good perl book. what can you recommend? thank you. prem = [Prem's blog] http://www.premrara.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash For beginning: Learning Perl - this book is very easy to understand, even for people that have no programming experience at all For continuing: 'Learning Perl Objects, References and Modules' - This book is excellent if you want to learn to make larger programs work. If you like Perl, then you should definitely buy 'Programming Perl' This is the standard book most people know about After this, you could read more, but that depends on your needs. You should definitely visit http://safari.oreilly.com It is an online library. You can try it for free for 14 days and all good perl books are available in html-format! You can browse through the books there and buy the ones you are interested in! Don't forget to check it out!!! Greetings, James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/ http://learn.perl.org/first-response
Re: perl book
Prem Vilas Fortran M. Rara wrote: i am looking for a very good perl book. what can you recommend? thank you. prem = [Prem's blog] http://www.premrara.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash For beginning: Learning Perl - this book is very easy to understand, even for people that have no programming experience at all For continuing: 'Learning Perl Objects, References and Modules' - This book is excellent if you want to learn to make larger programs work. If you like Perl, then you should definitely buy 'Programming Perl' This is the standard book most people know about After this, you could read more, but that depends on your needs. You should definitely visit http://safari.oreilly.com It is an online library. You can try it for free for 14 days and all good perl books are available in html-format! You can browse through the books there and buy the ones you are interested in! Don't forget to check it out!!! Greetings, James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/ http://learn.perl.org/first-response
Re: perl book
On Apr 20, 2004, at 5:52 AM, Prem Vilas Fortran M. Rara wrote: i am looking for a very good perl book. what can you recommend? thank you. This is an FAQ. On a system with Perl installed, you can probably read the response by feeding the command line: perldoc -q books James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/ http://learn.perl.org/first-response
Re: perl book
Prem Vilas Fortran M. Rara wrote: any online version? There are some online books and other resources at http://learn.perl.org/. Regards, Randy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/ http://learn.perl.org/first-response
RE: Perl book
Thanks to everyone for all their advice on what book to go with next. I think I am going to go with the Perl Black Book for now but I am sure I will eventually buy Perl Cookbook and Programming Perl. I can't really wait a couple of months because I hate my job and the learning of Perl is key to getting a new one :-) Cheers, Dylan -Original Message- From: Randal L. Schwartz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 15, 2003 11:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Perl book Dylan == Dylan Boudreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dylan I have already read Learning Perl and am looking to get another Dylan book to learn more what would people recommend? If you liked Learning Perl, and can wait a few months, I might be able to recommend another book that would fit quite nicely. :-) print Just another Perl [book] hacker, -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Perl book
A great starter book I used was Beginning Perl by Simon Cozens, published by Wrox. ISBN - 1861003145. I use it as a quick reference as well. I recommend it highly to anyone learning perl. -Original Message- From: Ben Siders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:50 AM To: Dan Muey Cc: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Perl book I generally like the O'Reilly Perl books, and I've had good luck with them. I can't use them as my only Perl reference, though. I don't pick up the condescending tone in them that you seem to have, but I definately agree that they're overrated. The Perl books, in general, are excellent, but I've seen just as many O'Reilly books on other subjects that are horrible. Like any book, it comes down to the author's command of the topic, and the skills of the editor. About 20 minutes ago, I bumped into the 'eval' function in a context I'd never seen it used. I flipped open Advanced Perl Programming and understood it all in a few minutes. On the other hand, I also saw a use of 'unpack' this morning that I didn't understand, and I can't find an answer to it in any of my books. It's probably in one of those books somewhere, but it's easier for me to ask a coworker or search on-line than to pore through the books. As with any resource, you have to learn when it will and will not be helpful for your situation. I've never heard of the Black Book series. Did anybody post the publisher? Dan Muey wrote: It may be 'Perl Black Book' actually, I don't have it with me right now but I'll get the info and post it later today. There's a whole series of 'Balck Books' for different programming languages and stuff. An excellent reference but also better learning tools because of example situations for the more obscure and actual code examples instead of the funtion_name obscure_arg1,obscure_arg2 format that O'rielly seems to like. That translates into : What! You don't know what this means? Are you stupid, you must be if you don't know this! Because everybody just loves Orielly, everybody else is smart and you are dumb. Ok done preaching, I'll post more detailed info when I can. Thanks for putting up with my rantings everyone. I don't mean to insult any Orielly fans. They are great refernces for stuff you know but bad teachers of new things. Thanks Dan, Your assessment of the Oreilly books is pretty much in line with my own. I think they are a great reference if you already know the material and just need to looks something up but they are not the most descriptive when used as a learning tool. Is the book you are referring too call The Black Book of Perl or Perl Black Book? I ask because I can't find any instance of The Black Book of Perl when searching chapters.ca or amazon.com. Is this book a good learning tool or more of a reference? Thanks again, Dylan -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 15, 2003 12:12 PM To: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book I'd say go to the library then and check out some books ( have them get them other libraries if they don't have them ) and when you find one you jive with go buy it. I love 'The Black Book of Perl' and have learned most all I do from it and I to do a lot of Unix Administration. One reason I didn't jive real great with the O'reilly books is that the ones I Had available to me where sort of vague while being desciptive at the same time Especially with modules. Example : Page 114 of 'Perl in a Nutshell' It is describing the pack function and does so quite well and informative like. But if I'd never used pack before I'd have no idea what it is for. How am I supposed to understand what 'taking a list of values and packing it in a binary structure' is supposed to mean if I've never come across it before. There are no examples of situations you might use this or samples of usage beside at the top It has Pack template, list Then explains what pack does and what template and list are but how do you know if you are supposed to do pack($template, @list); Or exactly like they have it pack $template, $list; Or both or can I do Pack abBA, list Or only one character where template is? And I can see that for template I might use any number of things a,A,b,B, etc and I can even see what they mean a - An ASCCI string, will be null padded. That's a great reminder if you've used this before and understand what 'An ASCCI string, will be null padded' means. What is list, an array or a string? What can it be, a file, input, what good would you get from using pack? Why not thrown in : You may want to use pack if you are . And have at least one example $value = Example Of actual data you might want to use in pack; pack(a, $value); This would return ... So that you could ... So, to me, these books are much like Microsoft Tech Support : There was a helicopter flying
RE: Perl book
Programming Perl by Oreilly -Original Message- From: Dylan Boudreau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Perl book I have already read Learning Perl and am looking to get another book to learn more what would people recommend? Thanks, Dylan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Perl book
HI - -Original Message- From: Dylan Boudreau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Perl book I have already read Learning Perl and am looking to get another book to learn more what would people recommend? Thanks, Dylan The Camel book Programming Perl (OReilly) Aloha = Beau; -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Perl book
The black books are very nice. I like them better than the Orielly ones. Not to start a flame war, I just like em better. Also there's the 'using perl' for specifci jobs, system admin, web programming, database, algorythms, etc Can't remember the publisher off hand, sorry. Depends on what you want to use perl for now that you've done Learning Perl. You could do one of my favorite things and go into Barnes and Noble and read all of them, or check them out form the library and start it and if you don't like it take it back and get another!! Basically you can't go wrong with anything perl!!! Dan -Original Message- From: Dylan Boudreau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Perl book I have already read Learning Perl and am looking to get another book to learn more what would people recommend? Thanks, Dylan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl book
My Perl libary consists of Learning Perl, Programming Perl, The Perl Cookbook, Advanced Perl Programming, and I just ordered the DBI book. Most people probably don't need all those, and I probably wouldn't have them all if I hadn't received most of them during some professional training classes. There's a lot of material replication among those. All, the same, they're all great tomes and if you have the means, I recommend them all. Paul Kraus wrote: Programming Perl by Oreilly -Original Message- From: Dylan Boudreau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Perl book I have already read Learning Perl and am looking to get another book to learn more what would people recommend? Thanks, Dylan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Perl book
I am a network administrator maintaining strictly Unix boxes of some type or another. I want to become as proficient at Perl as I possibly can because I see scripting as the week point on my resume. I have the Oreilly book Perl for System Administrators but I want to read another book before I get in to that one so I have a good base. I think the main thing I want to get out of the next book is more familiarity with modules because Learning Perl doesn't really cover them well at all. Dylan -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 15, 2003 11:32 AM To: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book The black books are very nice. I like them better than the Orielly ones. Not to start a flame war, I just like em better. Also there's the 'using perl' for specifci jobs, system admin, web programming, database, algorythms, etc Can't remember the publisher off hand, sorry. Depends on what you want to use perl for now that you've done Learning Perl. You could do one of my favorite things and go into Barnes and Noble and read all of them, or check them out form the library and start it and if you don't like it take it back and get another!! Basically you can't go wrong with anything perl!!! Dan -Original Message- From: Dylan Boudreau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Perl book I have already read Learning Perl and am looking to get another book to learn more what would people recommend? Thanks, Dylan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Perl book
I'd say go to the library then and check out some books ( have them get them other libraries if they don't have them ) and when you find one you jive with go buy it. I love 'The Black Book of Perl' and have learned most all I do from it and I to do a lot of Unix Administration. One reason I didn't jive real great with the O'reilly books is that the ones I Had available to me where sort of vague while being desciptive at the same time Especially with modules. Example : Page 114 of 'Perl in a Nutshell' It is describing the pack function and does so quite well and informative like. But if I'd never used pack before I'd have no idea what it is for. How am I supposed to understand what 'taking a list of values and packing it in a binary structure' is supposed to mean if I've never come across it before. There are no examples of situations you might use this or samples of usage beside at the top It has Pack template, list Then explains what pack does and what template and list are but how do you know if you are supposed to do pack($template, @list); Or exactly like they have it pack $template, $list; Or both or can I do Pack abBA, list Or only one character where template is? And I can see that for template I might use any number of things a,A,b,B, etc and I can even see what they mean a - An ASCCI string, will be null padded. That's a great reminder if you've used this before and understand what 'An ASCCI string, will be null padded' means. What is list, an array or a string? What can it be, a file, input, what good would you get from using pack? Why not thrown in : You may want to use pack if you are . And have at least one example $value = Example Of actual data you might want to use in pack; pack(a, $value); This would return ... So that you could ... So, to me, these books are much like Microsoft Tech Support : There was a helicopter flying in Seattle and it became too foggy to see. Desperatley tring to find out where they were the pilot yelled out of the window to some people in a building nearby , We're lost! Where are we? and the people said, You're in a helicopter!. The helicopter landed safely and the crew asked how the pilot knew where to go based on what those people said and he replied, Well, I knew we were by the Microsfot building because their answer was technically correct but completely useless. . So basically are the Orielly books I;ve seen good books. You bet, they are informative and acurate but they are very difficult to learn new stuff from! So instead of learning something new it kind of makes you avoid learning new stuff because then you have to ask a list what this or that means and risk a pummeling at the ignorance you've shown! I'd take one for free but I wouldn't pay for it. But that's just me. Dan I am a network administrator maintaining strictly Unix boxes of some type or another. I want to become as proficient at Perl as I possibly can because I see scripting as the week point on my resume. I have the Oreilly book Perl for System Administrators but I want to read another book before I get in to that one so I have a good base. I think the main thing I want to get out of the next book is more familiarity with modules because Learning Perl doesn't really cover them well at all. Dylan -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 15, 2003 11:32 AM To: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book The black books are very nice. I like them better than the Orielly ones. Not to start a flame war, I just like em better. Also there's the 'using perl' for specifci jobs, system admin, web programming, database, algorythms, etc Can't remember the publisher off hand, sorry. Depends on what you want to use perl for now that you've done Learning Perl. You could do one of my favorite things and go into Barnes and Noble and read all of them, or check them out form the library and start it and if you don't like it take it back and get another!! Basically you can't go wrong with anything perl!!! Dan -Original Message- From: Dylan Boudreau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Perl book I have already read Learning Perl and am looking to get another book to learn more what would people recommend? Thanks, Dylan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Perl book
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:39:04 -0400, Dylan Boudreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a network administrator maintaining strictly Unix boxes of some type or another. I want to become as proficient at Perl as I possibly can because I see scripting as the week point on my resume. I have the Oreilly book Perl for System Administrators but I want to read another book before I get in to that one so I have a good base. I think the main thing I want to get out of the next book is more familiarity with modules because Learning Perl doesn't really cover them well at all. Dylan Have you been through the provided perl documentation? Surprisingly I found it incredibly helpful despite my lack of its use for the first 4+ years of using Perl (granted I already had the other standard issues, Camel, Cookbook, OOP Perl, DBI, XML, etc.) perldoc perl will give you a list of goodies to try, once you understand using CPAN, then few modules will have (or need) a book devoted to them (the exceptions already do, CGI, DBI, XML) but most 90+% have good standard documentation that is available with the module itself or online. If you start with: perldoc perlmod - Perl modules: how they work perldoc perlmodlib - Perl modules: how to write and use perldoc perlmodinstallPerl modules: how to install from CPAN perldoc perlreftut - Perl references short introduction perldoc perlref - Perl references, the rest of the story That will give you a great overview and then exploring any particular module should be relatively similar to any other. http://danconia.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Perl book
According to Amazon the Perl black book is out of print. :( you got me all hyped about checking it out :) -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:12 AM To: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book I'd say go to the library then and check out some books ( have them get them other libraries if they don't have them ) and when you find one you jive with go buy it. I love 'The Black Book of Perl' and have learned most all I do from it and I to do a lot of Unix Administration. One reason I didn't jive real great with the O'reilly books is that the ones I Had available to me where sort of vague while being desciptive at the same time Especially with modules. Example : Page 114 of 'Perl in a Nutshell' It is describing the pack function and does so quite well and informative like. But if I'd never used pack before I'd have no idea what it is for. How am I supposed to understand what 'taking a list of values and packing it in a binary structure' is supposed to mean if I've never come across it before. There are no examples of situations you might use this or samples of usage beside at the top It has Pack template, list Then explains what pack does and what template and list are but how do you know if you are supposed to do pack($template, @list); Or exactly like they have it pack $template, $list; Or both or can I do Pack abBA, list Or only one character where template is? And I can see that for template I might use any number of things a,A,b,B, etc and I can even see what they mean a - An ASCCI string, will be null padded. That's a great reminder if you've used this before and understand what 'An ASCCI string, will be null padded' means. What is list, an array or a string? What can it be, a file, input, what good would you get from using pack? Why not thrown in : You may want to use pack if you are . And have at least one example $value = Example Of actual data you might want to use in pack; pack(a, $value); This would return ... So that you could ... So, to me, these books are much like Microsoft Tech Support : There was a helicopter flying in Seattle and it became too foggy to see. Desperatley tring to find out where they were the pilot yelled out of the window to some people in a building nearby , We're lost! Where are we? and the people said, You're in a helicopter!. The helicopter landed safely and the crew asked how the pilot knew where to go based on what those people said and he replied, Well, I knew we were by the Microsfot building because their answer was technically correct but completely useless. . So basically are the Orielly books I;ve seen good books. You bet, they are informative and acurate but they are very difficult to learn new stuff from! So instead of learning something new it kind of makes you avoid learning new stuff because then you have to ask a list what this or that means and risk a pummeling at the ignorance you've shown! I'd take one for free but I wouldn't pay for it. But that's just me. Dan I am a network administrator maintaining strictly Unix boxes of some type or another. I want to become as proficient at Perl as I possibly can because I see scripting as the week point on my resume. I have the Oreilly book Perl for System Administrators but I want to read another book before I get in to that one so I have a good base. I think the main thing I want to get out of the next book is more familiarity with modules because Learning Perl doesn't really cover them well at all. Dylan -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 15, 2003 11:32 AM To: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book The black books are very nice. I like them better than the Orielly ones. Not to start a flame war, I just like em better. Also there's the 'using perl' for specifci jobs, system admin, web programming, database, algorythms, etc Can't remember the publisher off hand, sorry. Depends on what you want to use perl for now that you've done Learning Perl. You could do one of my favorite things and go into Barnes and Noble and read all of them, or check them out form the library and start it and if you don't like it take it back and get another!! Basically you can't go wrong with anything perl!!! Dan -Original Message- From: Dylan Boudreau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Perl book I have already read Learning Perl and am looking to get another book to learn more what would people recommend? Thanks, Dylan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional
RE: Perl book
According to Amazon the Perl black book is out of print. :( That's a crime! you got me all hyped about checking it out :) Sorry :) I get feverish on occasion about stuff. Maybe I should be in sales? N -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:12 AM To: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book I'd say go to the library then and check out some books ( have them get them other libraries if they don't have them ) and when you find one you jive with go buy it. I love 'The Black Book of Perl' and have learned most all I do from it and I to do a lot of Unix Administration. One reason I didn't jive real great with the O'reilly books is that the ones I Had available to me where sort of vague while being desciptive at the same time Especially with modules. Example : Page 114 of 'Perl in a Nutshell' It is describing the pack function and does so quite well and informative like. But if I'd never used pack before I'd have no idea what it is for. How am I supposed to understand what 'taking a list of values and packing it in a binary structure' is supposed to mean if I've never come across it before. There are no examples of situations you might use this or samples of usage beside at the top It has Pack template, list Then explains what pack does and what template and list are but how do you know if you are supposed to do pack($template, @list); Or exactly like they have it pack $template, $list; Or both or can I do Pack abBA, list Or only one character where template is? And I can see that for template I might use any number of things a,A,b,B, etc and I can even see what they mean a - An ASCCI string, will be null padded. That's a great reminder if you've used this before and understand what 'An ASCCI string, will be null padded' means. What is list, an array or a string? What can it be, a file, input, what good would you get from using pack? Why not thrown in : You may want to use pack if you are . And have at least one example $value = Example Of actual data you might want to use in pack; pack(a, $value); This would return ... So that you could ... So, to me, these books are much like Microsoft Tech Support : There was a helicopter flying in Seattle and it became too foggy to see. Desperatley tring to find out where they were the pilot yelled out of the window to some people in a building nearby , We're lost! Where are we? and the people said, You're in a helicopter!. The helicopter landed safely and the crew asked how the pilot knew where to go based on what those people said and he replied, Well, I knew we were by the Microsfot building because their answer was technically correct but completely useless. . So basically are the Orielly books I;ve seen good books. You bet, they are informative and acurate but they are very difficult to learn new stuff from! So instead of learning something new it kind of makes you avoid learning new stuff because then you have to ask a list what this or that means and risk a pummeling at the ignorance you've shown! I'd take one for free but I wouldn't pay for it. But that's just me. Dan I am a network administrator maintaining strictly Unix boxes of some type or another. I want to become as proficient at Perl as I possibly can because I see scripting as the week point on my resume. I have the Oreilly book Perl for System Administrators but I want to read another book before I get in to that one so I have a good base. I think the main thing I want to get out of the next book is more familiarity with modules because Learning Perl doesn't really cover them well at all. Dylan -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 15, 2003 11:32 AM To: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book The black books are very nice. I like them better than the Orielly ones. Not to start a flame war, I just like em better. Also there's the 'using perl' for specifci jobs, system admin, web programming, database, algorythms, etc Can't remember the publisher off hand, sorry. Depends on what you want to use perl for now that you've done Learning Perl. You could do one of my favorite things and go into Barnes and Noble and read all of them, or check them out form the library and start it and if you don't like it take it back and get another!! Basically you can't go wrong with anything perl!!! Dan -Original Message- From: Dylan Boudreau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Perl book
RE: Perl book
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:39:04 -0400, Dylan Boudreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a network administrator maintaining strictly Unix boxes of some type or another. I want to become as proficient at Perl as I possibly can because I see scripting as the week point on my resume. I have the Oreilly book Perl for System Administrators but I want to read another book before I get in to that one so I have a good base. I think the main thing I want to get out of the next book is more familiarity with modules because Learning Perl doesn't really cover them well at all. Dylan Have you been through the provided perl documentation? Surprisingly I found it incredibly helpful despite my lack of its use for the first 4+ years of using Perl (granted I already had the other standard issues, Camel, Cookbook, OOP Perl, DBI, XML, etc.) perldoc perl will give you a list of goodies to try, once you understand using CPAN, then few modules will have (or need) a book devoted to them (the exceptions already do, CGI, DBI, XML) but most 90+% have good standard documentation that is available with the module itself or online. If you start with: An excellent idea I second that motion! I got all caught up in books that I missed the place the books get their info! Thanks for the obvious! Dan perldoc perlmod - Perl modules: how they work perldoc perlmodlib - Perl modules: how to write and use perldoc perlmodinstallPerl modules: how to install from CPAN perldoc perlreftut - Perl references short introduction perldoc perlref - Perl references, the rest of the story That will give you a great overview and then exploring any particular module should be relatively similar to any other. http://danconia.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It is out of print according to amazon.com but if you check chapters.ca it is listed as being available and shipped within 24 hrs. Dylan -Original Message- From: Paul Kraus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 15, 2003 12:21 PM To: 'Dan Muey'; 'Dylan Boudreau'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book According to Amazon the Perl black book is out of print. :( you got me all hyped about checking it out :) -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:12 AM To: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book I'd say go to the library then and check out some books ( have them get them other libraries if they don't have them ) and when you find one you jive with go buy it. I love 'The Black Book of Perl' and have learned most all I do from it and I to do a lot of Unix Administration. One reason I didn't jive real great with the O'reilly books is that the ones I Had available to me where sort of vague while being desciptive at the same time Especially with modules. Example : Page 114 of 'Perl in a Nutshell' It is describing the pack function and does so quite well and informative like. But if I'd never used pack before I'd have no idea what it is for. How am I supposed to understand what 'taking a list of values and packing it in a binary structure' is supposed to mean if I've never come across it before. There are no examples of situations you might use this or samples of usage beside at the top It has Pack template, list Then explains what pack does and what template and list are but how do you know if you are supposed to do pack($template, @list); Or exactly like they have it pack $template, $list; Or both or can I do Pack abBA, list Or only one character where template is? And I can see that for template I might use any number of things a,A,b,B, etc and I can even see what they mean a - An ASCCI string, will be null padded. That's a great reminder if you've used this before and understand what 'An ASCCI string, will be null padded' means. What is list, an array or a string? What can it be, a file, input, what good would you get from using pack? Why not thrown in : You may want to use pack if you are . And have at least one example $value = Example Of actual data you might want to use in pack; pack(a, $value); This would return ... So that you could ... So, to me, these books are much like Microsoft Tech Support : There was a helicopter flying in Seattle and it became too foggy to see. Desperatley tring to find out where they were the pilot yelled out of the window to some people in a building nearby , We're lost! Where are we? and the people said, You're in a helicopter!. The helicopter landed safely and the crew asked how the pilot knew where to go based on what those people said and he replied, Well, I knew we were by the Microsfot building because their answer was technically correct but completely useless. . So basically are the Orielly books I;ve seen good books. You bet, they are informative and acurate but they are very difficult to learn new stuff from! So instead of learning something new it kind of makes you avoid learning new stuff because then you have to ask a list what this or that means and risk a pummeling at the ignorance you've shown! I'd take one for free but I wouldn't pay for it. But that's just me. Dan I am a network administrator maintaining strictly Unix boxes of some type or another. I want to become as proficient at Perl as I possibly can because I see scripting as the week point on my resume. I have the Oreilly book Perl for System Administrators but I want to read another book before I get in to that one so I have a good base. I think the main thing I want to get out of the next book is more familiarity with modules because Learning Perl doesn't really cover them well at all. Dylan -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 15, 2003 11:32 AM To: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book The black books are very nice. I like them better than the Orielly ones. Not to start a flame war, I just like em better. Also there's the 'using perl' for specifci jobs, system admin, web programming, database, algorythms, etc Can't remember the publisher off hand, sorry. Depends on what you want to use perl for now that you've done Learning Perl. You could do one of my favorite things and go into Barnes and Noble and read all of them, or check them out form the library and start it and if you don't like it take it back and get another!! Basically you can't go wrong with anything perl!!! Dan -Original Message- From: Dylan Boudreau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003
RE: Perl book
It may be 'Perl Black Book' actually, I don't have it with me right now but I'll get the info and post it later today. There's a whole series of 'Balck Books' for different programming languages and stuff. An excellent reference but also better learning tools because of example situations for the more obscure and actual code examples instead of the funtion_name obscure_arg1,obscure_arg2 format that O'rielly seems to like. That translates into : What! You don't know what this means? Are you stupid, you must be if you don't know this! Because everybody just loves Orielly, everybody else is smart and you are dumb. Ok done preaching, I'll post more detailed info when I can. Thanks for putting up with my rantings everyone. I don't mean to insult any Orielly fans. They are great refernces for stuff you know but bad teachers of new things. Thanks Dan, Your assessment of the Oreilly books is pretty much in line with my own. I think they are a great reference if you already know the material and just need to looks something up but they are not the most descriptive when used as a learning tool. Is the book you are referring too call The Black Book of Perl or Perl Black Book? I ask because I can't find any instance of The Black Book of Perl when searching chapters.ca or amazon.com. Is this book a good learning tool or more of a reference? Thanks again, Dylan -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 15, 2003 12:12 PM To: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book I'd say go to the library then and check out some books ( have them get them other libraries if they don't have them ) and when you find one you jive with go buy it. I love 'The Black Book of Perl' and have learned most all I do from it and I to do a lot of Unix Administration. One reason I didn't jive real great with the O'reilly books is that the ones I Had available to me where sort of vague while being desciptive at the same time Especially with modules. Example : Page 114 of 'Perl in a Nutshell' It is describing the pack function and does so quite well and informative like. But if I'd never used pack before I'd have no idea what it is for. How am I supposed to understand what 'taking a list of values and packing it in a binary structure' is supposed to mean if I've never come across it before. There are no examples of situations you might use this or samples of usage beside at the top It has Pack template, list Then explains what pack does and what template and list are but how do you know if you are supposed to do pack($template, @list); Or exactly like they have it pack $template, $list; Or both or can I do Pack abBA, list Or only one character where template is? And I can see that for template I might use any number of things a,A,b,B, etc and I can even see what they mean a - An ASCCI string, will be null padded. That's a great reminder if you've used this before and understand what 'An ASCCI string, will be null padded' means. What is list, an array or a string? What can it be, a file, input, what good would you get from using pack? Why not thrown in : You may want to use pack if you are . And have at least one example $value = Example Of actual data you might want to use in pack; pack(a, $value); This would return ... So that you could ... So, to me, these books are much like Microsoft Tech Support : There was a helicopter flying in Seattle and it became too foggy to see. Desperatley tring to find out where they were the pilot yelled out of the window to some people in a building nearby , We're lost! Where are we? and the people said, You're in a helicopter!. The helicopter landed safely and the crew asked how the pilot knew where to go based on what those people said and he replied, Well, I knew we were by the Microsfot building because their answer was technically correct but completely useless. . So basically are the Orielly books I;ve seen good books. You bet, they are informative and acurate but they are very difficult to learn new stuff from! So instead of learning something new it kind of makes you avoid learning new stuff because then you have to ask a list what this or that means and risk a pummeling at the ignorance you've shown! I'd take one for free but I wouldn't pay for it. But that's just me. Dan I am a network administrator maintaining strictly Unix boxes of some type or another. I want to become as proficient at Perl as I possibly can because I see scripting as the week point on my resume. I have the Oreilly book Perl for System Administrators but I want to read another book before I get in to that one so I have a good base. I think the main thing I want to get out of the next book is more familiarity with modules because Learning Perl doesn't
Re: Perl book
I generally like the O'Reilly Perl books, and I've had good luck with them. I can't use them as my only Perl reference, though. I don't pick up the condescending tone in them that you seem to have, but I definately agree that they're overrated. The Perl books, in general, are excellent, but I've seen just as many O'Reilly books on other subjects that are horrible. Like any book, it comes down to the author's command of the topic, and the skills of the editor. About 20 minutes ago, I bumped into the 'eval' function in a context I'd never seen it used. I flipped open Advanced Perl Programming and understood it all in a few minutes. On the other hand, I also saw a use of 'unpack' this morning that I didn't understand, and I can't find an answer to it in any of my books. It's probably in one of those books somewhere, but it's easier for me to ask a coworker or search on-line than to pore through the books. As with any resource, you have to learn when it will and will not be helpful for your situation. I've never heard of the Black Book series. Did anybody post the publisher? Dan Muey wrote: It may be 'Perl Black Book' actually, I don't have it with me right now but I'll get the info and post it later today. There's a whole series of 'Balck Books' for different programming languages and stuff. An excellent reference but also better learning tools because of example situations for the more obscure and actual code examples instead of the funtion_name obscure_arg1,obscure_arg2 format that O'rielly seems to like. That translates into : What! You don't know what this means? Are you stupid, you must be if you don't know this! Because everybody just loves Orielly, everybody else is smart and you are dumb. Ok done preaching, I'll post more detailed info when I can. Thanks for putting up with my rantings everyone. I don't mean to insult any Orielly fans. They are great refernces for stuff you know but bad teachers of new things. Thanks Dan, Your assessment of the Oreilly books is pretty much in line with my own. I think they are a great reference if you already know the material and just need to looks something up but they are not the most descriptive when used as a learning tool. Is the book you are referring too call The Black Book of Perl or Perl Black Book? I ask because I can't find any instance of The Black Book of Perl when searching chapters.ca or amazon.com. Is this book a good learning tool or more of a reference? Thanks again, Dylan -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 15, 2003 12:12 PM To: Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book I'd say go to the library then and check out some books ( have them get them other libraries if they don't have them ) and when you find one you jive with go buy it. I love 'The Black Book of Perl' and have learned most all I do from it and I to do a lot of Unix Administration. One reason I didn't jive real great with the O'reilly books is that the ones I Had available to me where sort of vague while being desciptive at the same time Especially with modules. Example : Page 114 of 'Perl in a Nutshell' It is describing the pack function and does so quite well and informative like. But if I'd never used pack before I'd have no idea what it is for. How am I supposed to understand what 'taking a list of values and packing it in a binary structure' is supposed to mean if I've never come across it before. There are no examples of situations you might use this or samples of usage beside at the top It has Pack template, list Then explains what pack does and what template and list are but how do you know if you are supposed to do pack($template, @list); Or exactly like they have it pack $template, $list; Or both or can I do Pack abBA, list Or only one character where template is? And I can see that for template I might use any number of things a,A,b,B, etc and I can even see what they mean a - An ASCCI string, will be null padded. That's a great reminder if you've used this before and understand what 'An ASCCI string, will be null padded' means. What is list, an array or a string? What can it be, a file, input, what good would you get from using pack? Why not thrown in : You may want to use pack if you are . And have at least one example $value = Example Of actual data you might want to use in pack; pack(a, $value); This would return ... So that you could ... So, to me, these books are much like Microsoft Tech Support : There was a helicopter flying in Seattle and it became too foggy to see. Desperatley tring to find out where they were the pilot yelled out of the window to some people in a building nearby , We're lost! Where are we? and the people said, You're in a helicopter!. The helicopter landed safely and the crew asked how the pilot knew where to go based on what those people said and he replied, Well, I knew we were
RE: Perl book
WOW the black book is almost 70 bucks!!! BUT CHECK THIS OUT. Amazon has it used for around 10 bucks with the CD woo who!! -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:39:04 -0400, Dylan Boudreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a network administrator maintaining strictly Unix boxes of some type or another. I want to become as proficient at Perl as I possibly can because I see scripting as the week point on my resume. I have the Oreilly book Perl for System Administrators but I want to read another book before I get in to that one so I have a good base. I think the main thing I want to get out of the next book is more familiarity with modules because Learning Perl doesn't really cover them well at all. Dylan Have you been through the provided perl documentation? Surprisingly I found it incredibly helpful despite my lack of its use for the first 4+ years of using Perl (granted I already had the other standard issues, Camel, Cookbook, OOP Perl, DBI, XML, etc.) perldoc perl will give you a list of goodies to try, once you understand using CPAN, then few modules will have (or need) a book devoted to them (the exceptions already do, CGI, DBI, XML) but most 90+% have good standard documentation that is available with the module itself or online. If you start with: An excellent idea I second that motion! I got all caught up in books that I missed the place the books get their info! Thanks for the obvious! Dan perldoc perlmod - Perl modules: how they work perldoc perlmodlib - Perl modules: how to write and use perldoc perlmodinstallPerl modules: how to install from CPAN perldoc perlreftut - Perl references short introduction perldoc perlref - Perl references, the rest of the story That will give you a great overview and then exploring any particular module should be relatively similar to any other. http://danconia.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Perl book
WOW the black book is almost 70 bucks!!! BUT CHECK THIS OUT. Amazon has it used for around 10 bucks with the CD woo who!! $70? Mine was $20 but I think I got the smaller version, no CD The big one is still pretty sexxy though from what I've seen of it It may be worth $70 but if you can get it used for $10, super. -Original Message- From: Dan Muey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dylan Boudreau; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl book On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:39:04 -0400, Dylan Boudreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a network administrator maintaining strictly Unix boxes of some type or another. I want to become as proficient at Perl as I possibly can because I see scripting as the week point on my resume. I have the Oreilly book Perl for System Administrators but I want to read another book before I get in to that one so I have a good base. I think the main thing I want to get out of the next book is more familiarity with modules because Learning Perl doesn't really cover them well at all. Dylan Have you been through the provided perl documentation? Surprisingly I found it incredibly helpful despite my lack of its use for the first 4+ years of using Perl (granted I already had the other standard issues, Camel, Cookbook, OOP Perl, DBI, XML, etc.) perldoc perl will give you a list of goodies to try, once you understand using CPAN, then few modules will have (or need) a book devoted to them (the exceptions already do, CGI, DBI, XML) but most 90+% have good standard documentation that is available with the module itself or online. If you start with: An excellent idea I second that motion! I got all caught up in books that I missed the place the books get their info! Thanks for the obvious! Dan perldoc perlmod - Perl modules: how they work perldoc perlmodlib - Perl modules: how to write and use perldoc perlmodinstallPerl modules: how to install from CPAN perldoc perlreftut - Perl references short introduction perldoc perlref - Perl references, the rest of the story That will give you a great overview and then exploring any particular module should be relatively similar to any other. http://danconia.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There is a pink and a blue camel book from O'Reilly. What is the difference, and which comes most highly recommended? Robbie -- -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Robbie Staufer NCAR/SCD 1850 Table Mesa Dr. Rm. 42 Boulder, CO. 80305 (303) 497-1836 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pink is first edition, blue is second edition, i think there is a third edition out now, may as well go for the latest and greatest -Ken -Original Message- From: Robbie Staufer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Perl book There is a pink and a blue camel book from O'Reilly. What is the difference, and which comes most highly recommended? Robbie -- -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Robbie Staufer NCAR/SCD 1850 Table Mesa Dr. Rm. 42 Boulder, CO. 80305 (303) 497-1836 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dylan == Dylan Boudreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dylan I have already read Learning Perl and am looking to get another book to Dylan learn more what would people recommend? If you liked Learning Perl, and can wait a few months, I might be able to recommend another book that would fit quite nicely. :-) print Just another Perl [book] hacker, -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
