RE: pronunciation guide
On a Tandem, all processes begin with $. As in: $WRITER is writing to the file; $BILL is the process that monitors the bank balance. You'll definitely confuse Tandem people if you call the dollar sign string. -Chris -Original Message- From: George Schlossnagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: pronunciation guide On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Paul Kraus wrote: Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming .. I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as string. Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :) I've been to a number of conferences as well and never heard anyone refer to $anything as anything other than 'dollar anything'. George _ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
RE: pronunciation guide
Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer to $ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when dealing with computers it is a representation of the word string and is spoken as such. String-underscore. -Original Message- From: Paul Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: pronunciation guide Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and such in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by reading and doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm not sure, for example, if $_ is spoken dollar-underscore, or if people typically say something else--like = is a spaceship, or #! is a shebang. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kraus) writes: Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer to $ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when dealing with computers it is a representation of the word string and is spoken as such. String-underscore. I've never heard that. I've been to dozens of meetings and conferences, heard thousands of people talking about Perl, and never before have I heard $_ referred to as anything other than dollar underscore or occasionally dollar underbar. Strings are a small subset of possible values for scalars. If $ were mnemonic for anything, it would be scalar, not string. -Original Message- From: Paul Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: pronunciation guide Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and such in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by reading and doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm not sure, for example, if $_ is spoken dollar-underscore, or if people typically say something else--like = is a spaceship, or #! is a shebang. -- Peter Scott http://www.perldebugged.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming ... I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as string. Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :) Paul -Original Message- From: Peter Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: pronunciation guide In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kraus) writes: Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer to $ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when dealing with computers it is a representation of the word string and is spoken as such. String-underscore. I've never heard that. I've been to dozens of meetings and conferences, heard thousands of people talking about Perl, and never before have I heard $_ referred to as anything other than dollar underscore or occasionally dollar underbar. Strings are a small subset of possible values for scalars. If $ were mnemonic for anything, it would be scalar, not string. -Original Message- From: Paul Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: pronunciation guide Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and such in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by reading and doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm not sure, for example, if $_ is spoken dollar-underscore, or if people typically say something else--like = is a spaceship, or #! is a shebang. -- Peter Scott http://www.perldebugged.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Paul Kraus wrote: Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming ... I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as string. Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :) I've been to a number of conferences as well and never heard anyone refer to $anything as anything other than 'dollar anything'. George -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Scott) In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kraus) writes: Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer to $ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when dealing with computers it is a representation of the word string and is spoken as such. String-underscore. I've never heard that. I've been to dozens of meetings and conferences, heard thousands of people talking about Perl, and never before have I heard $_ referred to as anything other than dollar underscore or occasionally dollar underbar. Strings are a small subset of possible values for scalars. If $ were mnemonic for anything, it would be scalar, not string. I believe the string comes from some versions of Basic (and maybe also Fortran) that used the $ to distinguish string versus numerical variables. If I remember right Var$ was a string variable and Var was a numerical variable. And we used to read the $ as string. Though ... at those times we did not know any english so we read all keywords quite strange ;-) Jenda = [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz = When it comes to wine, women and song, wizards are allowed to get drunk and croon as much as they like. -- Terry Pratchett in Sourcery -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Kraus said: Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming ... I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as string. Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :) Do you have a background in BASIC? I think that in the UK at least it is (was ?) common to refer to the $ in A$, for example, as string since that is what it was, and it obviously had nothing to do with dollars. But as far as Perl is concerned it is dollar, and I am not aware of any exceptions. Now, as to whether $! is dollar-bang, dollar-pling, dollar-exclamation-mark or anything else is not so easy. You might find this link interesting: http://www.eeng.brad.ac.uk/help/.faq/.unix/.pronun.html But people, # is not a pound! ;-) -Original Message- From: Peter Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: pronunciation guide In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kraus) writes: Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer to $ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when dealing with computers it is a representation of the word string and is spoken as such. String-underscore. I've never heard that. I've been to dozens of meetings and conferences, heard thousands of people talking about Perl, and never before have I heard $_ referred to as anything other than dollar underscore or occasionally dollar underbar. Strings are a small subset of possible values for scalars. If $ were mnemonic for anything, it would be scalar, not string. -- Paul Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pjcj.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yep. One of our remaining distribution packages is still using business basic. Sums it up :) Paul -Original Message- From: Paul Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: pronunciation guide Paul Kraus said: Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming ... I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as string. Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :) Do you have a background in BASIC? I think that in the UK at least it is (was ?) common to refer to the $ in A$, for example, as string since that is what it was, and it obviously had nothing to do with dollars. But as far as Perl is concerned it is dollar, and I am not aware of any exceptions. Now, as to whether $! is dollar-bang, dollar-pling, dollar-exclamation-mark or anything else is not so easy. You might find this link interesting: http://www.eeng.brad.ac.uk/help/.faq/.unix/.pronun.html But people, # is not a pound! ;-) -Original Message- From: Peter Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: pronunciation guide In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kraus) writes: Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer to $ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when dealing with computers it is a representation of the word string and is spoken as such. String-underscore. I've never heard that. I've been to dozens of meetings and conferences, heard thousands of people talking about Perl, and never before have I heard $_ referred to as anything other than dollar underscore or occasionally dollar underbar. Strings are a small subset of possible values for scalars. If $ were mnemonic for anything, it would be scalar, not string. -- Paul Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pjcj.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pronunciation guide
Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and such in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by reading and doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm not sure, for example, if $_ is spoken dollar-underscore, or if people typically say something else--like = is a spaceship, or #! is a shebang. My friend and I have been learning Perl in relative isolation from any other experienced Perl programmers, so we've developed our own names for these variables. I have no idea what the rest of the community uses, but we have adopted $_ as Dalton -- a (mis)contraction of DOLlar UNderscore. :) We also pronounce $ in from of normal variables as scalar, and @ as array (or less frequently list, if we feel like being more accurate). I have heard = as spaceship and as the diamond operator. But I agree with you, it would be interesting to have some global list of various ways Perl's special variables are called. :) -- AA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Arthaey == Arthaey Angosii [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arthaey I have heard = as spaceship and as the diamond operator. Larry's daughter Heidi came up with diamond. And I'm the culprit responsible for spaceship. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I thought it was only called 'string' in Applesoft... Glad to hear I'm not the only one. My co-workers think I'm crazy. |-+ | | Paul Kraus | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com| | || | | 08/25/2003 09:02 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | pkraus | | || |-+ --| | | | To: 'Paul Archer' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: RE: pronunciation guide | --| Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer to $ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when dealing with computers it is a representation of the word string and is spoken as such. String-underscore. -Original Message- From: Paul Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: pronunciation guide Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and such in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by reading and doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm not sure, for example, if $_ is spoken dollar-underscore, or if people typically say something else--like = is a spaceship, or #! is a shebang. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ** NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here I listen $_ is mother's heart, because only mother's heart accept anything. ;) But $ for me is a monetary value of any kind, not dolar specifically. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Paul Archer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: RE: pronunciation guide I thought it was only called 'string' in Applesoft... Glad to hear I'm not the only one. My co-workers think I'm crazy. |-+ | | Paul Kraus | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com| | || | | 08/25/2003 09:02 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | pkraus | | || |-+ --- ---| | | | To: 'Paul Archer' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: RE: pronunciation guide | --- ---| Not sure how to help you I do not that it is not very common to refer to $ as dollar unless your talking about dollars. Generally when dealing with computers it is a representation of the word string and is spoken as such. String-underscore. -Original Message- From: Paul Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: pronunciation guide Does anyone know of a pronunciation guide for the special variables and such in Perl? I came up empty on Google. I've been learning Perl by reading and doing, but I haven't talked to anyone face-to-face, so I'm not sure, for example, if $_ is spoken dollar-underscore, or if people typically say something else--like = is a spaceship, or #! is a shebang. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ** NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 20/08/2003 / Versão: 1.3.13 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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4:53pm, Paul Johnson wrote: Paul Kraus said: Wow. I find that unusual in my 10 years of computer use/programming ... I have always referred to $ and heard it referred to as string. Not that it matters but I find that definitely unusual :) Do you have a background in BASIC? I think that in the UK at least it is (was ?) common to refer to the $ in A$, for example, as string since that is what it was, and it obviously had nothing to do with dollars. But as far as Perl is concerned it is dollar, and I am not aware of any exceptions. Now, as to whether $! is dollar-bang, dollar-pling, dollar-exclamation-mark or anything else is not so easy. I thought it was a bang for your buck... You might find this link interesting: http://www.eeng.brad.ac.uk/help/.faq/.unix/.pronun.html Good link, thanks. But people, # is not a pound! ;-) Of course not, it's an octothorpe. Everyone knows that. Paul PS. What's with the Pauls here? Are Pauls particularly passionate about Perl, or primarily pronunciation? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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8:58am, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Arthaey == Arthaey Angosii [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arthaey I have heard = as spaceship and as the diamond operator. Larry's daughter Heidi came up with diamond. And I'm the culprit responsible for spaceship. -- And we (I, anyway) thank you. I got a good laugh out of that today when I told my class that's what it was called--no, really, that's it's name... Paul Archer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
