Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4 Warnings
Are you using any 3rd party plugins? If so - do you see those messages without them running too? ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanning broken for me in 7.4v 28244
> Scanning appears to be broken for me with the last few builds - running > XP3. Is anyone else seeing this or have any idea what is causing it? Good catch! I assume you've enabled debugging for prefs? Should be fixed in r28248 -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanning broken for me in 7.4v 28244
mherger;451135 Wrote: > > Scanning appears to be broken for me with the last few builds - > running > > XP3. Is anyone else seeing this or have any idea what is causing > it? > > Good catch! I assume you've enabled debugging for prefs? > > Should be fixed in r28248 > > -- > > Michael Yes to debugging for prefs, and thanks for the prompt fix! -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? "-Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...-" (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66977 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanning broken for me in 7.4v 28244
> Yes to debugging for prefs Yeah, that code would only be hit if prefs debugging was enabled. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] r7115 - mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork
I also use my duet exclusively to play local files and I definitely will not sign up anywhere just to do so. I don't even have internet access at my summer house. If Logitech really insist on a sign up, I'll have to either resell the device or stick with 7.3.4 and all its known bugs and unfinished beta features I'm long waiting for (e.g. head phone jack). So, please Logitech, rethink that decision. Again. Please. -- mikejms mikejms's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32405 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66812 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanning broken for me in 7.4v 28244
Ah, got you. Confirm that resetting .prefs to Error rather than Debug allows the scan to proceed. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? "-Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...-" (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66977 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] SC 7.4 for WHS Thread
After getting 28243, I have started seeing nightlys being pushed again. 28244 received as expected. Latest Controller firmware work as a charm now. Small question though, and yes I know this is not the correct thread for it, but still; Isn't that a mini-jack on top of the Controller? For headphones or external active speakers? Can't seem to get that to respond... Might be the firmware doesn't support the hardware controller for it yet I suppose. -- deriksen deriksen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30765 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63055 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] SC 7.4 for WHS Thread
> Small question though, and yes I know this is not the correct thread > for it, but still; If you had asked the forum's search instead of me, it would have told you that you can enable the headphone out somewhere in the settings menus ;-). -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4 Warnings
mherger;451129 Wrote: > Are you using any 3rd party plugins? If so - do you see those messages > > without them running too? 3rd party? None. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66912 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] r7115 - mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork
oreillymj;449791 Wrote: > As someone who never uses anything except local media, I do hope that > the mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork that currently in the 7.4 FW > will be dropped. Yeah, that's been the general consensus among, oh, I'd say 99% of the beta testers of all the software they've randomly tossed out in the last year or so. But don't hold your breath. If Logitech can sell players that don't require a local music server, then they figure they'll sell more players. One can only speculate about the affiliate deals that they may have going with all of these as-yet-to-see-a-dime music services, but I suppose they figure they're covering their butts by sucking up to them while they try to figure out what their revenue models will look like. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66812 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] r7115 - mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork
oreillymj;449791 Wrote: > As someone who never uses anything except local media, I do hope that > the mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork that currently in the 7.4 FW > will be dropped. > > I should be asked if I want to sign up/login to Squeezenetwork rather > then forced into it by FW7115. Completely agree. There are a great many people out there who have squeezebox's that don't have a connection to the net. In the UK a great deal of people use 3G connections to browse the net, but cant share that connection with other devices. Some people just dont use SN anyway. It's a big mistake IMO. -- autopilot Cheers, auto. *lounge:* squeezebox 3, squeezebox controller, cambridge audio 640a, mission 701's *kitchen:* squeezebox, trends ta-10.1, kef cresta 1's. *bedroom:* squeezebox boom *bathroom/garden:* squeezebox boom *car:* ipod classic 80gb autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66812 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] r7115 - mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork
I agree - I think Logitech may not have researched the market properly as 3G connections are the significant growth area of user internet connections not just in UK but also in other European countries and there are EU reports which document it. The typical user of a 3G connections are the same sort of users which use internet most and download music. These are the targetted user who would buy Squeezeboxes but with this requirement would then have a bad experience trying to make it work. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66812 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
[SlimDevices: Beta] Request: Font size adjustment in new controller UI
Dear Forum, Dunno if this has been requested before: Could the dev team please implement a function that lets the user adjust the font size on the new controller UI? As for now, the font size is far too big. I would like to see more information than just a few chars in each line. Thanks in advance Tim -- timtrevlig timtrevlig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18223 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66992 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
> > Setup will always require an internet connection, at least temporarily. > This also allows us to make sure a user is running the latest firmware > for their device. This is especially important because the firmware > installed at the factory is often very old. > Could not the install package of squeezeboxserver always contain the proper fw for all devices, this will solve this for installs w/o internet. Now I see that fw get downloaded to my local squeezeboxserver when it's time for an upgrade, but could not some version be there in the first place ? Ie if i download SC7.x today it will contain what's considered an ok version of fw, in the nightly 7.4 this will be the latest all the time. This would at least solve the problem when someone gets an 2 year old duet from somewhere. Well i f you want SN you obviously have internet, so that would not pose a big problem, but as said elsewhere al people don't have their connection to inet up all the time. -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Request: Font size adjustment in new controller UI
> Could the dev team please implement a function that lets the user > adjust the font size on the new controller UI? > As for now, the font size is far too big. May I ask you whether your system is set not to use English but some other language? -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
Matt Wise;450545 Wrote: > > Setup will always require an internet connection So Matt, basically people with no internet connection - people with 3G internet (which can't be shared), people with satellite (which alo often can't be shared), people with 56kbps dial up, people in very rural/remote locations, people who want to use a Squeezebox in their summer house/vacation cabin... all these people won't be able to set one up, and thus are effectively excluded from buying a Squeezebox? Are there no plans to allow this step to be skipped? Why not as a very minimum, just try and ping a known SN server and look for local SBS instead if the ping is not returned? Seems like a very strange marketing decision to excluded so many people and upset many people who do buy, then find it cant be set up. If this is the case, i strongly believe this will go down like a lead balloon with user and will be a decision Logitech come to regret. -- autopilot Cheers, auto. *lounge:* squeezebox 3, squeezebox controller, cambridge audio 640a, mission 701's *kitchen:* squeezebox, trends ta-10.1, kef cresta 1's. *bedroom:* squeezebox boom *bathroom/garden:* squeezebox boom *car:* ipod classic 80gb autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
Mnyb;451190 Wrote: > Could not the install package of squeezeboxserver always contain the > proper fw for all devices, this will solve this for installs w/o > internet. Fully agree. At least give people options. Fair enough to try and -lead- them down the online update route, but if no internet is available or they prefer a manual method, make it easy to opt out. -- autopilot Cheers, auto. *lounge:* squeezebox 3, squeezebox controller, cambridge audio 640a, mission 701's *kitchen:* squeezebox, trends ta-10.1, kef cresta 1's. *bedroom:* squeezebox boom *bathroom/garden:* squeezebox boom *car:* ipod classic 80gb autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bugs marked as fixed which aren't
MeSue;450463 Wrote: > Now with 7.4 - r28235 and Controller 7172: > > CM from now playing = nothing happens > CM for playing track from playlist = "Connecting to server" spinny, > then fails > Albums Credits = works > Album Review = blank screen > Biography = Brings me to a list of options, but none work (bump > animation) > On Pandora, On Slacker = still missing > Last.fm love this track = just noticed it's missing The first three work here with r7227. Album Review and Biography: still nothing. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66852 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
I totally agree with autopilot here. You can't demand from people to have relative fast and sharable internet. This decision would be very unwise. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Request: Font size adjustment in new controller UI
I use English (do other languages work now; didn't have the courage to try again). But I also find the font too large. Another great option would be to make the display of the icons an option: they require a lot of space. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66992 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] test.squeezenetwork.com and Napster
Any news on this? Still trying to play Napster tracks just give me the 'can't connect to server' message. Artwork displays fine, and progress bar even moves, but no audio. How are other people finding this (especially in the UK)? -- autopilot Cheers, auto. *lounge:* squeezebox 3, squeezebox controller, cambridge audio 640a, mission 701's *kitchen:* squeezebox, trends ta-10.1, kef cresta 1's. *bedroom:* squeezebox boom *bathroom/garden:* squeezebox boom *car:* ipod classic 80gb autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66604 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Are the keyboard arrow keys supposed to function on the Web UI?
JJZolx, thanks for clarifying how the Web UI is suppose to work when the mouse is hovering over the panel. Btw, I understand the Web UI is not designed to be navigated by keyboard. I use the mouse all the time, but I would have not noticed the keyboard issue and inconsistencies between the browsers had my mouse not failed. Btw, I find the keyboard Page up/down useful when navigating long lists of album, artist or stations as it is a bit more precise than using the mouse wheel or the scrolling bar. It is useful when I just want to move to the next page with a single key press. Ditto, about the scroll wheel differences IE and Firefox. Since IE is not as snappy as Firefox when scrolling, the selection bar did not appear to be moving in concert... that's what lead me to believe that there was a difference. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66813 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Request: Font size adjustment in new controller UI
...the display of the icons an option I would vote for that too. No need for them on the controller. I have set to german, and it has to scroll a lot. Christian -- Schindler Schindler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66992 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
+1 from me. This seems like a very US centric decision. There are many parts of the world with very low broadband penetration. Think global. Mandatory internet/account sign up is a big mistake. As they'd say in Dragon's Den "Count me out" -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
I agree re: an absolute requirement to have a high speed internet connection. To give another usecase example, I moved house recently and had no broadband for 10 days, only a 3G dongle connection. Because we moved to another provider I needed to reset up all my players in terms of their connection to SC and this required a few factory resets. To say it was difficult to get setup would be an understatement. If I had been a first time user I would have given up. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? "-Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...-" (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4 now pointed to test.squeezenetwork.com
Alright!... just noticed that the Remote Control function of test.sn is finally connecting to my SB3. Not going to comment about the Web UI looks or layout just yet... but is there services/functions that needs their tires kicked?... Just noticed that last.fm, mediafly work when I access them via the SB3, but I get a "player not authorized" message when I click them in the Remote Control UI. Clicking on any of the other services brings me to a page to add additional users for the specific service. The favs, radioio and shoutcast show the list with their content, but can't not select them to be played from the left panel, but work from the SB3. Just "observing" and "reporting"... I understand that the functions are not completed and that the Web UI and layout are not finalized. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66441 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Losing settings when applying nightly on RaedyNAS NV+
OK - thanks for the info. -- GrahameP GrahameP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66847 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4 now pointed to test.squeezenetwork.com
I get a lot of these when trying to use Last FM from the controller: [09-08-24 17:05:21.6835] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1160) Warning: [17:05:21.6825] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/myperl/lib/site_perl/Slim/Networking/SimpleAsyncHTTP.pm line 118. [09-08-24 17:05:21.6851] Slim::Control::Request::execute (1918) Error: While trying to run function coderef [Slim::Plugin::OPMLGeneric::Plugin::__ANON__]: [Assert_Defined failed: Cache::BaseCache line 194 Weird thing it scrobbles hapilly ? but i cant use it from the controller. I can However access last.fm with the web-UI But with the remote on test.sn i get problems -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66441 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
Requiring an internet connection is a bad move. It reminds me of when DirecTV used to require a landline telephone connection to set up a DVR. It was the most discussed thing in their forums for years and years... and that was for a telephone, which a lot more people are likely to have than a shared internet connection. -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
MeSue;451271 Wrote: > Requiring an internet connection is a bad move. It reminds me of when > DirecTV used to require a landline telephone connection to set up a DVR. > It was the most discussed thing in their forums for years and years... > and that was for a telephone, which a lot more people are likely to have > than a shared internet connection. To be fair, that was DirecTV's only way to verify that you weren't sharing DirecTV accounts across multiple physical households. Slightly different situation. -- Matt Wise Matt Wise's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
Just for clarity, it's important to note that there is no requirement for an internet connection during normal use of the device, just during setup. There are some valid points being made on this thread, but I want to make sure we don't go off the rails into FUD where people think broadband is required for normal use. It is not. Consider that an out-of-the-box Squeezebox Controller was manufactured with a very old firmware. It's extremely important for us to be able to get all new users an update straight away, or their experience to put it mildly will be miserable. The way we manage this is having a central repository that distributes these updates, and it is done over the internet. After setup, pull the internet plug and use a local Squeezebox Server and never connect to the internet again. I'm not posting this as a dismissal of the previous posts, but to clarify both the scope and the justification for the network requirement. cheers, #!/ben -- bklaas Logitech Developer: Squeezeplay/SqueezeOS/SqueezeboxController/SqueezeCenter Community Developer: Nokia770Skin http://www.last.fm/user/bklaas/ 'KHAAAN!' (http://khaaan.com/)...'BUNNIES!' (http://home.pacbell.net/bettychu/2003allbreedbisris/BIS.html) bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Request: Font size adjustment in new controller UI
Yeah, a smaller font would be nice. It'd also be nice if the text in the black box that appears when you press PREV or NEXT would wrap at the edge of the box instead of running outside of it. -- BastiaanR Squeezebox Controller (fw 62) Squeezebox Receiver (fw r6038) 1TB fileserver, Windows XP SP3, running SqueezeCenter 7.3.4 BastiaanR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66992 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
I want to add a further reason why requiring an Internet connection during setup is a very bad idea. Imagine someone buys the product, takes it home and through bad luck their broadband service fails before they get setup. In the UK at least it can take days or weeks to resolve problems with people's broadband connections (especially if everyone in the household works and therefore they find it hard to be around when the telecoms engineers are on shift). They are going to be unable to complete the setup and use the product for potentially weeks because of this. And this isn't just hypothetical, I've had broadband faults that took a couple of weeks to resolve on three of the DSL lines I deal with for myself and relatives. Requiring an Internet connection for setup is a bad idea, please don't do it. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
bklaas;451295 Wrote: > Just for clarity, it's important to note that there is no requirement > for an internet connection during normal use of the device, just during > setup. > > There are some valid points being made on this thread, but I want to > make sure we don't go off the rails into FUD where people think > broadband is required for normal use. It is not. > > Consider that an out-of-the-box Squeezebox Controller was manufactured > with a very old firmware. It's extremely important for us to be able to > get all new users an update straight away, or their experience to put it > mildly will be miserable. The way we manage this is having a central > repository that distributes these updates, and it is done over the > internet. After setup, pull the internet plug and use a local Squeezebox > Server and never connect to the internet again. > > I'm not posting this as a dismissal of the previous posts, but to > clarify both the scope and the justification for the network > requirement. > > cheers, > #!/ben In addition, Internet Access is already required for all of our product-setups (for new users) because we do not ship our software in-the-box. This is not a new requirement, its only new for users who already have SC running (assuming its up-to-date-enough for their new product), and don't have internet access available at that very moment for setup. -- Matt Wise Matt Wise's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
Matt Wise;451317 Wrote: > In addition, Internet Access is already required for all of our > product-setups (for new users) because we do not ship our software > in-the-box. This is not a new requirement, its only new for users who > already have SC running (assuming its up-to-date-enough for their new > product), and don't have internet access available at that very moment > for setup. IMHO, there is a difference between requiring a piece of standalone software to be downloaded pre install (I can do this at an internet cafe or at work, onto a USB/smart card) and requiring an internet connection at first use. In fact, this is what I did when I was stuck post-move with no broadband. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? "-Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...-" (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
Matt Wise;451317 Wrote: > In addition, Internet Access is already required for all of our > product-setups (for new users) because we do not ship our software > in-the-box. This is not a new requirement, its only new for users who > already have SC running (assuming its up-to-date-enough for their new > product), and don't have internet access available at that very moment > for setup. Can someone clarify _exactly_ what this new requirement is ? Does the SBC need to contact SN the first time it is turned on ? Or every time it is factory reset ? Or some other rule ? -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
andynormancx;451320 Wrote: > Can someone clarify _exactly_ what this new requirement is ? > > Does the SBC need to contact SN the first time it is turned on ? Or > every time it is factory reset ? Or some other rule ? Look back at Ben's post. He clarifies it. It's only during first-setup from a factory reset. -- Matt Wise Matt Wise's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
Matt Wise;451321 Wrote: > Look back at Ben's post. He clarifies it. It's only during first-setup > from a factory reset. I was asking for clarification precisely because Ben's post wasn't 100% clear to me. "there is no requirement for an internet connection during normal use of the device, just during setup" It wasn't clear what "setup" meant in this case, whether it meant the first time the device was used, during factory reset or maybe some other point. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
But for win user the installer is an exe that could be downloaded in advance, for example at work. Or one might install the server in advance for other platforms to. And for SC /SBS is it no longer possible to skip SN account setup ? I'm ok with the reasoning behind "very old fw" in controller it's all to true. But to able to download fw from the net, is it also necessary to join squeezenetwork ? I think the mandatory signing to SN is bugging people the most ? I'm already a member because i chosed it for the benefits it have. But why should you always be prepared to shed some of your privacy for using a product these day's ? An anonymous download of firmware would be ethical to me. My thought was the installer for squeezeboxserver should always contain up to date firmware (up to date meaning fw from the day it was downloaded ), fixing these old firmware problems if the Internet is unavailable. -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
I realise normal use does not require it, in fact that point could actually confuse people even more. Because if you are buying an internet device, you obviously expect to need a net connection. But people who are buy this as a 'network streamer' wont expect it required. And there wont be and 'normal use' if you cant it it up in the first place. I also think that there is a big difference in needing to download SBS before hand - many people will expect that and can do it at work etc. A lot of people buy NAS's with SC pre-installed too. It reminds me of the debate when people bought computer games, which needed online activation even for single player off line use. -- autopilot Cheers, auto. *lounge:* squeezebox 3, squeezebox controller, cambridge audio 640a, mission 701's *kitchen:* squeezebox, trends ta-10.1, kef cresta 1's. *bedroom:* squeezebox boom *bathroom/garden:* squeezebox boom *car:* ipod classic 80gb autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
autopilot;451332 Wrote: > I realise normal use does not require it, in fact that point could > actually confuse people even more. Because if you are buying an internet > device, you obviously expect to need a net connection. But people who > are buy this as a 'network streamer' wont expect it required. > > And there wont be and 'normal use' if you cant it it up in the first > place. > Not forgetting of course that the standard advise on this forum when people are having SBC problems is "do a factory reset" ;) -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
Note that this is not entirely dissimilar to the Logitech Harmony device setup requirements. The Harmony web app is the only way to get a device configured and while there may be a few outliers, most people have accepted this as a requirement given the device architecture. In this case, however, we're talking about a very different device architecture and the utility of activating a device over the internet is of questionable value to me. Ben ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
[SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4-r28249 is terrible
Since installing 7.4-r28249 on WHS this morning my players all keep stopping and rebuffering. I can't get through one full song without it stopping. The controller is constantly showing the reconnecting spinny which ran the battery down to the recharge message in less than one hour. The WebUI can't load the playlist--just shows a "loading" spinny in the playlist panel forever. I'm attempting to roll back, but it took me 20 minutes just to open the WHS Console so I could uninstall. -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67007 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
I'm one of those users who almost only uses my transporter to play music from my own library. And I think I'm not the only one. I find it occasionally nice to play with internet radio because it's there and I have a good internet connection, but that's all. As others have said, an internet connection should not be necessary, even during setup. It should be possible to download the latest server software (including the firmware) somewhere else and setup your device and play your own library music without any internet connection. Actually, this weekend I just installed a new duet at a friends place. He doesn't have internet there (his weekend house) and it just worked (I had all the necessary stuff on disc). Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4-r28249 is terrible
MeSue, before reverting - could you please try to restart the current version? There have been so few changes recently I can't imaging what would have broken this. But we've had repeated reports of machines locking up for some reason or other. We need to understand what's going wrong when something's going wrong. To know that it's a temporary issue (can't be reproduced by restarting the same build) can help us understand it's something intermittant. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4-r28249 is terrible
I noticed that media connect (wmccds.exe) was hogging all the CPU on my server, which is probably the issue. Killing the process didn't help, so I am restarting the server and will try reinstalling the same build again. -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67007 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
[SlimDevices: Beta] Latest rpm's do not autostart after upgrade
After an upgrade the squeezeboxserver used to start again. Now i have to do it manually, is this as it should be ? I'm ok with it but is it an intentional change or bug ? Edit: of course it starts after reboot, just have to start it after the actual upgrade. -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67008 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Latest rpm's do not autostart after upgrade
On my little server with vortexbox software (Fedora 11 based) squeezeboxserver was running after updating to the latest version (28249). Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67008 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] r7115 - mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork
See thread here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=451295 See post here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=451295&postcount=20 /thread -- Matt Wise Matt Wise's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66812 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4-r28249 is terrible
After restarting, the playlist will load, but I am still getting the music stopping and reconnecting messages. wmccds.exe CPU usage started out lower, but after some time (30 minutes or so) it is spiking up and down. The memory usage is growing and growing, though. I don't know if that's normal... never monitored it before. Something's not right. Could there be some new conflict betoween Squeezebox server and windows media connect services? -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67007 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] r7115 - mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork
You're missing the point - with 3G connections there is NO possibility of a connection even though the SBC just needs it once. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66812 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4-r28249 is terrible
Even with Windows Media Connect stopped it keeps barfing. There is nothing in the log. Is there some logging I should enable to troubleshoot? -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67007 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Latest rpm's do not autostart after upgrade
Could be that i use rpm on my cc4.2 box . You are probaly using yum ? when updating -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67008 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] r7115 - mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork
I'm not missing any point -- I'm simply redirecting new posts in this thread towards an already existing thread about the issue. -- Matt Wise Matt Wise's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66812 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
Ok rather than arguing about the logic of the decision (that has been made, and for the near-term future is essentially set-in-stone) -- why not focus the efforts on coming up with scenarios where the user will be unable to setup their product, and workable solutions. These would make a great Wiki article for setup of SqueezePlay devices. -- Matt Wise Matt Wise's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4-r28249 is terrible
> Even with Windows Media Connect stopped it keeps barfing. There is > nothing in the log. Is there some logging I should enable to > troubleshoot? Try server.*, probably player.* -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] r7115 - mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork
Partly answered,there are two issues that get mixed in those treads. 1. Internet connection 2. Mandatory SN membership They don't necessarily belong together. I'm aware of that some SC functions get supported in the background by SN. You might not get the full experience as conceived by logitech without it. And of course partnering services probably want their offerings to exposed to new customers right out of the box. FW updates, are the SN server involved at all ? -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66812 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
Matt Wise;451396 Wrote: > Ok rather than arguing about the logic of the decision (that has been > made, and for the near-term future is essentially set-in-stone) -- why > not focus the efforts on coming up with scenarios where the user will be > unable to setup their product, and workable solutions. > > These would make a great Wiki article for setup of SqueezePlay devices. Well that would rely on making the SN registration avoidable/optional. Otherwise the only only option would be to take you SB to someones house and set it up there, or just forget owning an SB. -- autopilot Cheers, auto. *lounge:* squeezebox 3, squeezebox controller, cambridge audio 640a, mission 701's *kitchen:* squeezebox, trends ta-10.1, kef cresta 1's. *bedroom:* squeezebox boom *bathroom/garden:* squeezebox boom *car:* ipod classic 80gb autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] r7115 - mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork
Mnyb;451402 Wrote: > Partly answered,there are two issues that get mixed in those treads. > > 1. Internet connection > > 2. Mandatory SN membership > > They don't necessarily belong together. Exactly. They are two completely different issues. Number 1 is going cause a FEW people without 'net connections endless frustration when they buy a shiny new Squeezebox Touch and find out it can't be used. I thought this has been addressed, though, by allowing the box to get its mandatory initial firmware upgrade from the local server. Number 2 is going to rub a LOT of people the wrong way. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66812 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
Matt, You're a being given feedback from past customers. People who helped make the company viable by choosing to spend their disposable income on your products. I hope you have enough of them to be able to afford to turn away their future business. I can understand the logic of needing a signin to update firmware, but for those who neither want to, or can't (not all people have broadband), the dialog should have an option to skip to the next page. I can't believe that that option is not possible. The day a company stops listening to customers is the day it start to die. -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4-r28249 is terrible
Anything useful in here? It restarted a song around 15:39. +---+ |Filename: mesue-serverlog.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7998| +---+ -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67007 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Latest rpm's do not autostart after upgrade
Yes, I'm using yum. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67008 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
I may as well chip in, everyone else has :) Requiring a net connection on first setup - Understandable (although a work around would also be a good idea) Requiring a MySB account for setup - bad. You can't forget a MySB account unless you factory reset, and then you require one again to get it going. That means the device permenantly requires a MySB account. I'm sure there will be a lot of folks that are uncomfortable with this. -- funkstar my collection: *1*x boom *2*x controller, *1*x receiver *2*x sb3 (sliver/black, *1*x sb2 wired (silver), *1*x sb (black) *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield) interested in any others if you have them! funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4 now pointed to test.squeezenetwork.com
bonze;449903 Wrote: > Yup - all my existing stuff appeared too including Squeezeplay. > > But when I tried to connect SP, it said to visit > test.squeezenetwork.com and enter the pin. > Thinking that maybe it had got confused, I deleted the current player, > and was then stumped as to how to create a new one. This is all I get when trying to use SN, as well. A prompt on the sb that I have to enter a pin (given) at the website somewhere and no where on the website to enter it (that I can find). The players show up automatically, though, on the website. I just can't use them. Also, I've noticed that the "remote control" feature has what appears to be a drop down of players - it is blank for me. -- dwilliams01 dwilliams01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66441 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
oreillymj;451408 Wrote: > The day a company stops listening to customers is the day it start to > die. I have to wonder if marketing decisions like this one are a factor in Dean leaving the company. And how many other old SD employees will be leaving as well. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] r7115 - mandatory sign up for Squeezenetwork
JJZolx;451407 Wrote: > > Number 1 is going cause a FEW people without 'net connections endless > frustration when they buy a shiny new Squeezebox Touch and find out it > can't be used. I thought this has been addressed, though, by allowing > the box to get its mandatory initial firmware upgrade from the local > server. So long as people who download SC from work/friends/cafe realise they need to also download the latest firmware and also know what to do with it. Worth merging these two threads? -- autopilot Cheers, auto. *lounge:* squeezebox 3, squeezebox controller, cambridge audio 640a, mission 701's *kitchen:* squeezebox, trends ta-10.1, kef cresta 1's. *bedroom:* squeezebox boom *bathroom/garden:* squeezebox boom *car:* ipod classic 80gb autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66812 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
> why not focus the efforts on coming up with [...] workable solutions As I understood your specification says: 1) new users should be forced to run the latest stable FW on their controller, there shouldn't be a way to work around this. 2) it isn't mandatory for users to have a SN-account to achieve that (though your current method works this way). >From these specs follows a third mandatory spec: 3) new shippings of the controller can't contain an installation CD with a probably dated SqueezeServer-version. If you had such shipping, the controller would be upgraded through SN upon first start, and than be downgraded by the dated SqueezeServer from the CD. The user would be in an inifinite loop of up- and downgrades. I conclude, that the SqueezeServer will have to be downloaded 'fresh' by new users as well. If you ship a CD it will 'just' have a small application that will guide through the process of downloading. If 1+3 hold true, we are in a very comfortable situation: - On first boot the controller just has to look for a local SqueezeServer. If it finds one it can be sure, that this must be a 'fresh' downloaded one with the latest firmware that was available at the time of buying. - If it isn't finding a SqueezeServer (because the user didn't install one yet), it is forcing the user to open a SN-account, to give the user instant access to the latest firmware and internet-radio. Actually you are able to solve all of your problems: - new unaware users, who just turn on their new gadget, have a great first time experience, given that they have a very good internet connection. they are forced to open a SN-account, get the latest firmware and are really happy about all those cool radio stations they now have access to. - users with no or very low bandwidth have a very simple workaround: just donwload and install a new squeezeserver on the local network - then still have a lot of fun with local music (these type of 'low-bandwidth'-users isn't helped with a SN-account and internet-radio anyway) - people doing a lot of factory resets (beta-testers, developers) are happy as well: they are not forced to always enter their full account details (this made me going nuts with a long email-adress + long password), because they have a SqueezeServer running as well. SN-account-details are saved in the server settings - so they have the goods of both worlds: SN-access + local-music. Please give me hints on where I made mistakes in my thinking. I can only think that if point 2) doesn't hold true, you will have to stay with your current implementation, because thats the only one that forces users to have a SN-account. -- bluegaspode bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Agree to use BETA Software
Just was pointed to it in the german forum: words were heard, now there is a very definite disclaimer in the wiki :) http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Nightly_Builds thanks a lot, I'm very sure this was the right way to go. -- bluegaspode bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66791 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4-r28249 is terrible
I couldn't take it anymore and rolled back to 28235 (8/21 build), which had been running very well for me except for the lack of context menus. Since the roll-back I have been through 5 songs without a barf, stutter, or even a hiccup. In other words, flawless playback and a server CPU usage graph that isn't spiking like crazy. Something seems to have regressed between Friday morning's build and today's. -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67007 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
[SlimDevices: Beta] last fm now playing details missing, is this normal?
Hi all, hope im asking my questions in the right place. Running the latest nightly builds of 7.4 and most up to date remote firmware. When using lastfm i dont get the options to love tracks etc, now i did have this feature once now when i press the center button and blank black box appears where the love this track etc etc should be. Is this normal? is it just a work in progress think that i Had once but not now or is there some setting ive missed? Thanks James -- fuzzydog fuzzydog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67016 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Preset #1 Not Defined
I still don't get this, I currently have random song mix assigned to fav 7 so I just hold down 7 to get a random mix. How do I go about setting this up with presets? Craig -- Craig MC2Slim - Windows Shell and J River Media Center Integration for Squeezebox. http://www.duff-zapp.co.uk Craig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=96 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66816 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
There are a few different concerns that have been raised but I wanted to clear up two things that I think address the core questions. First, I definitely want to state that the primary case that setup has been optimized for is users who a) do have an Internet connection that can be accessed by their Squeezebox and b) who want (or may in the future want) to use SqueezeNetwork-based services and the SqueezeNetwork site itself. That said... You will be able to set up a Squeezebox and play local music without an account and without an Internet connection present. In this scenario, the device will first attempt to connect to SqueezeNetwork. Since there is no Internet connection present, it will fail. However, if there is a SqueezeCenter instance running, you will be able to connect to SC. Note that if you've also downloaded the latest firmware (while at work, for example) and dropped it in the relevant SC directory (I believe it's /cache/updates/), you will be notified that there is a firmware upgrade is available and will be able to complete a firmware upgrade (again, with no Internet connection present). After the player fails to connect to SN (since there is no Internet connection), you can press-and-hold the left/back button on your player or remote to go to the home menu. Once there, you can select your music library and play your local music. FYI, I just logged a bug to include a menu item on the "can't connect" screen to display any SCs that are detected and, when selected, take you to that library. If you then go "back" from there you will be on the home menu (with a menu item that can take you back to complete the setup process so that it's easy to get back to if your Internet connection is available again at a later date). I'm not sure if adding the menu item on the "Can't connect" screen will make it for the next release, but at a minimum, you will be able to press-and-hold left to go to the home menu where, to repeat, you will be able to access your local music library with no SN account and no Internet connection. -- sschulte sschulte's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=27932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Bizzare setup procedure with new SBC FW ? should i file a bug
sschulte;451474 Wrote: > There are a few different concerns that have been raised but I wanted to > clear up two things that I think address the core questions. > > First, I definitely want to state that the primary case that setup has > been optimized for is users who a) do have an Internet connection that > can be accessed by their Squeezebox and b) who want (or may in the > future want) to use SqueezeNetwork-based services and the SqueezeNetwork > site itself. > > That said... > > You will be able to set up a Squeezebox and play local music without an > account and without an Internet connection present. > > In this scenario, the device will first attempt to connect to > SqueezeNetwork. Since there is no Internet connection present, it will > fail. However, if there is a SqueezeCenter instance running, you will be > able to connect to SC. > > Note that if you've also downloaded the latest firmware (while at work, > for example) and dropped it in the relevant SC directory (I believe it's > /cache/updates/), you will be notified that there is a firmware upgrade > is available and will be able to complete a firmware upgrade (again, > with no Internet connection present). > > After the player fails to connect to SN (since there is no Internet > connection), you can press-and-hold the left/back button on your player > or remote to go to the home menu. Once there, you can select your music > library and play your local music. > > FYI, I just logged a bug to include a menu item on the "can't connect" > screen to display any SCs that are detected and, when selected, take you > to that library. If you then go "back" from there you will be on the > home menu (with a menu item that can take you back to complete the setup > process so that it's easy to get back to if your Internet connection is > available again at a later date). > > I'm not sure if adding the menu item on the "Can't connect" screen will > make it for the next release, but at a minimum, you will be able to > press-and-hold left to go to the home menu where, to repeat, you will be > able to access your local music library with no SN account and no > Internet connection. Hi sschulte, thanks for taking the time to register and respond on the forum. I take it you are one of the new guys :) That does sound ok, if that's the long term plan. There does seem to be some confusion as it sounded a bit like the long term plan was to absolutely demand on an internet connection for setup, period. I think it would be better if the device checked for an updated FW with SC and even on SD card first, but understand you can be certian SN will be the most up-to-date. However, what is not clear to me is whether or not it will require a MySB account or simply just an internet connection? -- autopilot Cheers, auto. *lounge:* squeezebox 3, squeezebox controller, cambridge audio 640a, mission 701's *kitchen:* squeezebox, trends ta-10.1, kef cresta 1's. *bedroom:* squeezebox boom *bathroom/garden:* squeezebox boom *car:* ipod classic 80gb autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66898 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4 Warnings
Taking your suggestion to examine plugins (and having way too much free
time on my hands) I found that the following built-in plugins each
causes the group of warnings at startup.
AppGallery, Facebook, Flickr, MyApps.
Code:
[09-08-24 17:22:34.8376] main::init (318) Starting Squeezebox Server (v7.4,
rTRUNK, UNKNOWN) perl 5.01
[09-08-24 17:22:43.8691] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1160) Warning:
[17:22:43.8685] Use of uninitialized value $entry in pattern match (m//) at
C:/Program Files/Squeezebox Server 7.4 Trunk/server/Slim/Control/Request.pm
line 726.
[09-08-24 17:22:43.8701] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1160) Warning:
[17:22:43.8694] Use of uninitialized value $request in hash element at
C:/Program Files/Squeezebox Server 7.4 Trunk/server/Slim/Control/Request.pm
line 762.
[09-08-24 17:22:43.8709] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1160) Warning:
[17:22:43.8704] Use of uninitialized value $args{"menu"} in hash element at
C:/Program Files/Squeezebox Server 7.4 Trunk/server/Slim/Plugin/OPMLBased.pm
line 111.
[09-08-24 17:22:43.9256] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1160) Warning:
[17:22:43.9249] Use of uninitialized value $category in string ne at C:/Program
Files/Squeezebox Server 7.4 Trunk/server/Slim/Web/Pages.pm line 74.
[09-08-24 17:22:43.9265] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1160) Warning:
[17:22:43.9259] Use of uninitialized value $category in hash element at
C:/Program Files/Squeezebox Server 7.4 Trunk/server/Slim/Web/Pages.pm line 83.
[09-08-24 17:22:43.9273] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1160) Warning:
[17:22:43.9267] Use of uninitialized value $category in hash element at
C:/Program Files/Squeezebox Server 7.4 Trunk/server/Slim/Web/Pages.pm line 91.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] last fm now playing details missing, is this normal?
Work in progress. There are some bugs filed related to this. This is probably the main one: https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13568 -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67016 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Request: Font size adjustment in new controller UI
I agree re the font size: The very first thing my wife said after I showed her the new Controller UI was "Can we make the text smaller?" I find myself waiting all too often to have things scroll only to have the screen dim etc. Jon -- JHC JHC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66992 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
[SlimDevices: Beta] mysqld and 100% CPU usage
After installing Squeezebox Server 7.4, I am seeing the same behavior over and over again: 1. Every time I start the server, mysqld cpu usage goes to 100% and the server doesn't complete startup (i.e. I can't log in via a web browser). At this point, if I kill the mysqld process, it gets restarted somehow and the Squeezebox Server becomes available. 2. After any music scan, the same thing happens. What logging should I turn on to get to the root of this? Thanks, Jonathan -- JHC JHC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67017 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4-r28249 is terrible
I haven't noticed anything significant one way or another with 28249. I'm also using it on WHS (HP EX485). I don't use Windows Media Connect so I don't know if it is even running. No problems here playing songs without stutters, and I'm using wireless with my Receiver. -- gcurrie gcurrie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67007 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] mysqld and 100% CPU usage
JHC;451501 Wrote: > After installing Squeezebox Server 7.4, I am seeing the same behavior > over and over again: > > 1. Every time I start the server, mysqld cpu usage goes to 100% and the > server doesn't complete startup (i.e. I can't log in via a web browser). > At this point, if I kill the mysqld process, it gets restarted somehow > and the Squeezebox Server becomes available. > > 2. After any music scan, the same thing happens. > > What logging should I turn on to get to the root of this? > > Thanks, > > Jonathan Thanks to some other messages from awhile ago, I have narrowed this down to behavior caused by one of erland's plugins. I will re-port this in the plugins area of the forum. After disabling trackstat, dynamic playlists, and sql playlists, Squeezebox Server starts up normally. Thanks, Jonathan -- JHC JHC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67017 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
[SlimDevices: Beta] Stupid post count requirement... (DO NOT READ)
To be able to post links or images your post count must be 1 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Please remove links from your message, then you will be able to submit your post. To be able to post e-mail addresses your post count must be 1 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Please remove e-mail addresses from your message, then you will be able to submit your post. - There, I posted... -- hohum hohum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67019 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
[SlimDevices: Beta] Activation and "notnat" (WHS 7.4)
Sometime last year, I had registered before for mysqueezebox.com (http://mysqueezebox.com/). I had no problem logging in when I went to the website. However, just recently, I reinstalled my WHS (if you want to know what NOT to do, just ask me). I was pleasantly surprised to find that the software was available for WHS, albeit in beta! Gleefully, I installed it and everything seems to be working fine - at least in terms of streaming and playback... However, when I try supplying my original username and password via the Squeezebox Server program on my Windows Home Server or via the actual Squeezebox Boom itself, I get an error stating that I have an invalid username or password. Well, considering the fact that I can actually log in at the mysqueezebox.com (http://mysqueezebox.com/) website using the exact same combination, I KNOW I have the right username and password. And no, I'm not mis-typing it or anything like that... I kept trying to no avail. Ultimately, on the Squeezebox Boom, I followed the prompts to create a NEW account. I used the exact same email address and password and it told me it was successfully created. Now it seems my Squeezebox and the Squeezebox Server program on my WHS can both connect to mysqueezebox.com (http://mysqueezebox.com/). But, at the same time, I cannot log in at the mysqueezebox.com (http://mysqueezebox.com/) website. Additionally, I got the activation email for my "new" account and it tells me to finish my registration at: http://notnat/user/activation?acode=8707802a I have 30 days to activate my new account. However, I've tried the link and this link goes nowhere (where's the TLD?). Please advise as to the following: 1. Proper activation link. 2. Why my mysqueezebox.com (http://mysqueezebox.com/) login and Squeezebox and the Squeezebox Server program on my WHS login are different. Thank you. PS - Delivery to supp...@mysqueezebox.com fails... -- hohum hohum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67020 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4-r28249 is terrible
gcurrie;451505 Wrote: > I haven't noticed anything significant one way or another with 28249. > I'm also using it on WHS (HP EX485). I don't use Windows Media Connect > so I don't know if it is even running. > > No problems here playing songs without stutters, and I'm using wireless > with my Receiver. Wow, that's very strange. It has been like night and day since I switched back. I'm running on an HP EX470 up'd to 2GB, though I doubt that would be the difference. -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67007 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Activation and "notnat" (WHS 7.4)
If by recently you mean in the last two weeks, then the "beta" has been repointed to test.squeezenetwork.com instead of www.squeezenetwork.com. You need to create a new account on test.squeezenetwork.com. I used the same username and password to make it easy once they point the beta back to the production server. So creating new accounts on www.squeezenetwork.com doesn't work since the beta doesn't look there. If you have a version earlier than the high 27??? (don't remember the exact numbers) then this doesn't apply. Today's build is 28249. -- gcurrie gcurrie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67020 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Activation and "notnat" (WHS 7.4)
Gcurrie posted while I was looking up the thread where this was discussed. Here it is if you want more background: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66441 -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67020 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Activation and "notnat" (WHS 7.4)
gcurrie;451515 Wrote: > If by recently you mean in the last two weeks, then the "beta" has been > repointed to test.squeezenetwork.com instead of www.squeezenetwork.com. > > So creating new accounts on www.squeezenetwork.com doesn't work since > the beta doesn't look there. > > If you have a version earlier than the high 27??? (don't remember the > exact numbers) then this doesn't apply. Today's build is 28249. I'm using Version: 7.4 - r28225 @ Wed Aug 19 04:02:36 PDT 2009. Regardless, I don't follow your reply. I never said "squeezenetwork.com" - I said "mysqueezebox.com" - are these the same thing?? I'll go and make a new account on test.squeezenetwork.com; however, does this really explain/solve the cause of my issue and the weird "notnat" domain? -- hohum hohum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67020 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Activation and "notnat" (WHS 7.4)
You have the new beta that uses test.squeezenetwork.com, which is a new site entirely. Your old mysqueezebox.com account is still active, but you cannot access it with the current beta. You need a new account. It will log you in to the "new" mysqueezebox.com. There is a long thread on this: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66441 I have no idea what notnat is. Looks like a typo to me. I don't remember seeing anything like that when I created a new account. -- gcurrie gcurrie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67020 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Activation and "notnat" (WHS 7.4)
> Additionally, I got the activation email for my "new" account and it > tells me to finish my registration at: > http://notnat/user/activation?acode=8707802a Thanks for the feedback. I've filed a bug: https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13654 -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Activation and "notnat" (WHS 7.4)
"notnat" is just a red herring, it's unrelated to your original problem. It's just an internal hostname used within the SqueezeNetwork equipment racks for some internal purposes, and the code the generates the email is mistakenly giving you a link to this internal hostname that you can't see or reach. That issue aside, the real issue is just confusion between the domain names and the test vs production environments. Production SN has traditionally been www.squeezenetwork.com. It's getting a new name officially in the near future, which is www.mysqueezebox.com (and actually, that name is already in place as an alias to the www.squeezenetwork.com production envionrment). At this time, SBS 7.4 and our current Beta hardware players' firmwares actually connect to www.test.squeezenetwork.com, which is a completely different environment than production, with a different set of user accounts. If something on a player or SBS user interface tells you to go to mysqueezebox.com or squeezenetwork.com during the beta period, you're best off ignoring that and going to www.test.squeezenetwork.com instead, which will actually work. -- blblack blblack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11129 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67020 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
