Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Latest Nightly (v7.4, r28372): Cannot decode string with wide characters

2009-09-01 Thread Mnyb

I suggest that you file a bug on it here.

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/

make sure to give them all stats which version of 7.4 and upload your
playlist to them to.

Our forum is mostly an end user forum they don't read everything (thank
god ).
But bug reports are always read within a couple of days.
However when it's fixed is another story, but your bug seem to be a
serius enough to merit some attention.
The bugfix time can be between 4 hours and 4 years ;)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Latest Nightly (v7.4, r28372): Cannot decode string with wide characters

2009-09-01 Thread squeezemonkey

I'm still seeing this in Version: 7.4 - r28396. Anyone else?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread Mnyb

It is not possible to remove an app via the controller ? but you can
install them.
Must I go to mysb (SN) to remove an aplication ?


And please put the radio providers under internet radio again, I don't
want for example shoutcast or radioio as an app I want them back under
internetradio where they belong.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread Andy Grundman

On Sep 1, 2009, at 9:50 PM, Mark Miksis wrote:

>
> andyg;453893 Wrote:
>> Comments?  Did I forget anything?
>
> I think this is great.  Isn't there also already a plan to ease
> upgrades?  I can't remember, but what happens if a user upgrades  
> from SC
> 7.3.3 to SBS 7.4 and already has valid Rhapsody credentials entered in
> SN?  Will they still need to manually install the Rhapsody App?

Bug 13711, if you already have a music service account, the app will  
be pre-installed.  I don't know if it should appear on the home menu  
by default or not though.  Probably not.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread Mark Miksis

andyg;453893 Wrote: 
> Comments?  Did I forget anything?

I think this is great.  Isn't there also already a plan to ease
upgrades?  I can't remember, but what happens if a user upgrades from SC
7.3.3 to SBS 7.4 and already has valid Rhapsody credentials entered in
SN?  Will they still need to manually install the Rhapsody App?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Auto Update downloading wrong server edition

2009-09-01 Thread JHC

mherger;453596 Wrote: 
> > It turns out that what gets downloaded is the WHS msi. Is there a way
> > to override what gets downloaded by the auto updater?
> 
> Install the WHS build. Why wouldn't you want to be able to install SC
> from  
> the WHS console, be notified about the availability of an update
> without  
> being logged in to your server etc.?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

Because it's easier and faster to remote desktop than to load the WHS
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread Andy Grundman

On Sep 1, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Phil Meyer wrote:

>> App Gallery has a single button: "Install App".  This button enables
>> the app for all of your current and future players.  After install,  
>> this
>> changes to Uninstall/Configure as it does today, uninstall would  
>> remove
>> the app from all players, configure takes you to the My Apps page.
>
> Wouldn't it better if App Gallery only lists Apps that haven't been  
> installed?  i.e. have the uninstall/configure purely on My Apps?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread Phil Meyer
>App Gallery has a single button: "Install App".  This button enables
>the app for all of your current and future players.  After install, this
>changes to Uninstall/Configure as it does today, uninstall would remove
>the app from all players, configure takes you to the My Apps page.

Wouldn't it better if App Gallery only lists Apps that haven't been installed?  
i.e. have the uninstall/configure purely on My Apps?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread Andy Grundman

On Sep 1, 2009, at 7:46 PM, pippin wrote:

>
> OK, I see I can configure it even when a player is not connected to  
> SN.
> One thing I DON'T see, though, is the option to add an app to the home
> menu. I do see this on the device's menu.

Yeah this is missing and will be added.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread pippin

OK, I see I can configure it even when a player is not connected to SN.
One thing I DON'T see, though, is the option to add an app to the home
menu. I do see this on the device's menu.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread pippin

andyg;453936 Wrote: 
> 
> By running 7.4 with a valid account entered, it should already have  
> all of your players listed, etc.  Is that not working?

It does have them listed, but I can't CONTROL them.
Even when I shut down the server, they stay disconnected.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread Andy Grundman

On Sep 1, 2009, at 7:20 PM, pippin wrote:

>
> andyg;453929 Wrote:
>> OK sorry I mean on the test.sn web UI.  SC web UI will not have any  
>> of
>> this, but the web UI will send users to MySB.  On-device menus, I  
>> will
>>
>> probably add Uninstall, but I think it should require you to enter
>> your MySB password because it will remove the app from all players.
>
> Is there a way to get a player connected to test.sn right now? Would
> like to try this.

By running 7.4 with a valid account entered, it should already have  
all of your players listed, etc.  Is that not working?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread pippin

andyg;453929 Wrote: 
> OK sorry I mean on the test.sn web UI.  SC web UI will not have any of  
> this, but the web UI will send users to MySB.  On-device menus, I will 
> 
> probably add Uninstall, but I think it should require you to enter  
> your MySB password because it will remove the app from all players.

Is there a way to get a player connected to test.sn right now? Would
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread Andy Grundman
OK sorry I mean on the test.sn web UI.  SC web UI will not have any of  
this, but the web UI will send users to MySB.  On-device menus, I will  
probably add Uninstall, but I think it should require you to enter  
your MySB password because it will remove the app from all players.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread pippin

andyg;453925 Wrote: 
> Currently there should be an uninstall button on the App Gallery (one
> for each player), as well as one on the My Apps page in the upper-right.

Where?
SBS Web IF doesn't have an App Gallery
I don't see it in the menus delivered to iPeng
And since there currently is no way for me to use MySB (there is no way
to connect a player to it without physical access, which I don't have
right now) that's not reachable as well.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread andyg

Currently there should be an uninstall button on the App Gallery (one
for each player), as well as one on the My Apps page in the upper-right.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread pippin

One more thing. You wrote "as it is now". I just tried (yesterday's
nightly) and there is no way to uninstall/modify an app. When I install
it, the menu in the App Gallery doesn't change and I can just install it
over and over again.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread andyg

pippin;453898 Wrote: 
> How would that players configuration matrix look like on the
> device/controller?

There's no matrix on-device.  You can switch accounts within an app
though, for example Napster -> Account: A -> Switch to: B

Possibly we could have home menu toggle on-device.  Enable/disable
probably not, because there would be no way to get the app back if you
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread andyg

I realize I forgot one option for the Players tab.  A toggle for whether
the app appears on the home menu or not.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread pippin

Oh, and one more thing: does "more than one account" mean for the
service? I can't have more than one MySB account that the device knows
of, can't I?


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[SlimDevices: Beta] Proposal for improving App Gallery/My Apps

2009-09-01 Thread andyg

I know the current design of App Gallery and My Apps is frustrating to
some (all?) and it's probably more frustrating for us developers and
beta testers who have numerous players.  I've been thinking a bit and
have a proposal for some simple changes that I think will make the
system work better.

Note: Below I'll talk about just the MySB web UI, but "Install App"
also applies to the on-device App Gallery, everything works the same
there.

The problem:

The design today requires you to click "Install App" once for each
player you want an app to appear on.  Also, when adding a new player to
your house, you will have to go back and click a bunch of "Install App"
buttons to setup the new player.

Proposed solution:

App Gallery has a single button: "Install App".  This button enables
the app for all of your current and future players.  After install, this
changes to Uninstall/Configure as it does today, uninstall would remove
the app from all players, configure takes you to the My Apps page.

My Apps gets a new tab next to Account Settings called "Players".  This
tab is a combo of the multiple account player assignment as well as
includes a way to toggle apps as enabled or disabled on a per-player
basis.  For example, the Sirius Players tab might look like this:


Code:


  Player   Account  Status
  --   ---  --
  * Basement:him  enabled
  * Kitchen  her  enabled
  * Kids Room--   disabled
  * Garage:  --   not supported
  



The account column has select boxes if you have more than one account,
and the status column has some method TBD to toggle the status of the
app for that player (select box, link, checkbox, etc).  If an app does
not have accounts, the only thing shown is a Players tab with status
toggle options.

I can anticipate one feature request, and that is to not show
already-installed apps in App Gallery.  This will be easier to implement
when apps are an account-wide setting.

Comments?  Did I forget anything?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] How to port and test applets for 7.4 ?

2009-09-01 Thread bluegaspode

anyone for question 1+2 ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Can't connect to mysqueezebox.com after 7.4 upgrade

2009-09-01 Thread gcurrie

I had the same thing happen weeks ago, but it was easily remedied by
creating a new account at test.sn.

I used the same credentials as my 'real' account (in case things get
migrated back to production). Once I did this I was able to move
forward.

It's just a one-time glitch - annoying and alarming, but shouldn't
result in anything getting bricked.


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[SlimDevices: Beta] Can't connect to mysqueezebox.com after 7.4 upgrade

2009-09-01 Thread erland

I just upgraded my controller from 7.3 to 7.4 for the first time.

After the upgrade it wasn't able to connect to mysqueezebox.com and
there wasn't any way to exit the menu, I was just able to try again
which didn't work.

After some struggling I used the volumeUp boot method to get it to boot
with the old firmware, I then did a factory reset and after the factory
reset it came up with the 7.4 firmware and I asked for mysqueezebox.com
credentials and after I entered the credentials I was able to connect to
mysqueezebox.com.

Has anyone else seen this when upgrading to 7.4 ?

It was the first time I connected the Controller to 7.4 so I supposed
it wasn't registered in test.squeezenetwork.com (or whatever server SN
in SBS 7.4 uses). However, I have other devices which definitely has
connected to test.squeezenetwork.com and I was able to login using my
existing credentials after the factory reset.

I could try to repeat this, but I'd prefer to avoid it since I'm a bit
scared to end up with a bricked Controller, so I'd prefer not to in case
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Search doesn't ignore umlauts anymore

2009-09-01 Thread Schindler

did you open a bug?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] SC 7.4 for WHS Thread

2009-09-01 Thread MikeekiM

Ben Sandee;453741 Wrote: 
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:01 AM,
> MikeekiM forums.slimdevices.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > firedog;453618 Wrote:
> >> Is there an expected date for when 7.4 WHS will be out of Beta?
> >
> > The fact that there is a 7.3.4 that's in beta makes me assume that
> it
> > will be a little while longer than expected...otherwise, why waste
> time
> > on a 7.3.4?
> 
> Not quite -- you misunderstand the difference between the 7.3.x and
> 7.4 branches.  Both are maintained simultaneously with only small bug
> fixes going into 7.3.x.  An example of the type of fixes going into
> 7.3.x still are compatibility updates for Apple's Snow Leopard over
> the weekend.  No new features though.
> 
> 7.4 has matured rapidly over the past few weeks.  I think it's safe to
> say that 7.4 will be the release that adds support for the new
> hardware being discussed and seen, which surely is due to be released
> within the next month.
> 
> Ben

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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] SC 7.4 for WHS Thread

2009-09-01 Thread Ben Sandee
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:01 AM,
MikeekiM
wrote:
>
> firedog;453618 Wrote:
>> Is there an expected date for when 7.4 WHS will be out of Beta?
>
> The fact that there is a 7.3.4 that's in beta makes me assume that it
> will be a little while longer than expected...otherwise, why waste time
> on a 7.3.4?

Not quite -- you misunderstand the difference between the 7.3.x and
7.4 branches.  Both are maintained simultaneously with only small bug
fixes going into 7.3.x.  An example of the type of fixes going into
7.3.x still are compatibility updates for Apple's Snow Leopard over
the weekend.  No new features though.

7.4 has matured rapidly over the past few weeks.  I think it's safe to
say that 7.4 will be the release that adds support for the new
hardware being discussed and seen, which surely is due to be released
within the next month.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] SC 7.4 for WHS Thread

2009-09-01 Thread MikeekiM

firedog;453618 Wrote: 
> Is there an expected date for when 7.4 WHS will be out of Beta?

The fact that there is a 7.3.4 that's in beta makes me assume that it
will be a little while longer than expected...otherwise, why waste time
on a 7.3.4?

I am not holding my breath...  But at the same time, I find 7.4 very
usable for me so far... :)


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[SlimDevices: Beta] Search doesn't ignore umlauts anymore

2009-09-01 Thread lemppari

In the previous version of server when performing a search with umlauts,
the umlauts were dropped. Now when I search for "rückertlieder" I have
to enter ü, previously the search worked with "ruckertlieder". This is
quite annoying with names with e, è and é, if you don't remember the
correct hat...

Kari

Version: 7.4 - r28396 @ Tue Sep 1 04:02:17 PDT 2009
Hostname: trane
Server IP Address: 192.168.1.3
Server HTTP Port Number: 9000
Operating system: SuSE - EN - utf8
Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux
Perl Version: 5.8.8 - x86_64-linux-thread-multi
MySQL Version: 5.0.26


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Controller Menu Ordering

2009-09-01 Thread MadScientist

It's possible in 7.3 via the SC player menus - you can determine content
and order displayed.   Unfortunately, seems to be broken in 7.4. I'm
sure this feature will reappear in 7.4 as the software matures. 

MS


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] SC 7.4 for WHS Thread

2009-09-01 Thread firedog

Is there an expected date for when 7.4 WHS will be out of Beta?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Controller Menu Ordering

2009-09-01 Thread Schindler

me too. I would like having "player on/off" at the the botton.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Controller Menu Ordering

2009-09-01 Thread autopilot

MikeekiM;453589 Wrote: 
> I know how to select/deselect menu items on the controller...
> 
> But I haven't figured out how to change the order of the menu items...
> 
> How do I do that?
> 
> (for the record, I am on SC Release 7.4R28372; controller 7.4.0-r7335)

You can't, but it is something that has been requested many times,
myself included. Not sure if there is an enhancement request on bugzilla
though.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Auto Update downloading wrong server edition

2009-09-01 Thread Michael Herger
> It turns out that what gets downloaded is the WHS msi. Is there a way
> to override what gets downloaded by the auto updater?

Install the WHS build. Why wouldn't you want to be able to install SC from  
the WHS console, be notified about the availability of an update without  
being logged in to your server etc.?

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