Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Status of onebrowser
>Like I said, it has always been this way although onebrowser does make >this aspect of the WebUI somewhat less efficient. Things can always be >improved - fixed is not the word I would use. The WebUI has always >demanded a more-powerful server than other UIs and it may be that the >system requirement for the WebUI will increase with this release. Jim said that the memory usage is effectively 4x greater, and performance is several times slower than 7.6 before onebrowser. Sounds like it needs fixing to me before it is released. Someone else said it can even cause stuttering playback because its spending too much time and not feeding player buffers? ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] How can I build a SVN update on Windows?
> I've attached my current Custom.pm for 7.6. You need this to get the > scanner to work. Details as to why are in the wiki article above. I don't see why you would need that file: if there's no scanner.exe in your installation folder, it should automatically fall back to scanner.pl. And the additional plugins folder is just for your convenience, not a requirement, isn't it? -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Missing artwork in browser
There is a bug opened for few months already... (see my signature and vote) -- michael123 Please fix http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16814 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86618 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] SQLite vs mySQL
Philip Meyer;621246 Wrote: > >Hi there, since Spicefly Sugarcube will stop supporting mySQL > I don't see why that is the case - from my recollection of the source > code, it doesn't issue any SQL-specific DB queries. It doesn't even > look for MusicIP-mix indicator in the SBS library. I got this info from the Spicefly forums. It seems that some specific things it uses are left out in the latest 7.6 builds. Since it's the only plug-in I use (I even donated), I wanted to be ready for the next release, without mySQL support. -- bakker_be http://www.last.fm/user/Bakker_be Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004; ' TMA Premium 905' (http://tmaaudio.com/premium905.html); BK Monolith+ FF; HDI Dune Smart D1; Pioneer PDP-LX5090H bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86616 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Onebrowser and mixers
Hi Sorry for out of subject (silly) question - what is onebrowser? -- michael123 Please fix http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16814 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85896 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Onebrowser and mixers
michael123;621387 Wrote: > Hi > > Sorry for out of subject (silly) question - what is onebrowser? An attempt to pound many square pegs into a single round hole. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85896 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Status of onebrowser
> Jim said that the memory usage is effectively 4x greater, and I'm not sure it's a simple factor. Actually I think it's lower to start with, but has what I assume a memory leak: after a restart it grew from about 80MB to 100MB while using various options in the web UI. I then left home. And while I've been away, not using it, memory usage has grown by another 30MB. It's something we'll have to investigate. > performance is several times slower than 7.6 before onebrowser. One person mentioned this without giving any further information. I can't confirm, can you? -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Onebrowser and mixers
JJZolx;621389 Wrote: > An attempt to pound many square pegs into a single round hole. :) A new GUI concept? Can I see a specification somewhere? -- michael123 Please fix http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16814 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85896 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Onebrowser and mixers
> A new GUI concept? No, rather an attempt to bring three different implementations of the same functionality (browsing your music collection) in to one single implementation. Historically there have been three distinct collections of code for the classical display (aka ip3k), the web UI and the newer players (aka SP, SqueezePlay), each of them with their own tweaks and issues. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Status of onebrowser
mherger;621391 Wrote: > > Jim said that the memory usage is effectively 4x greater, and > > I'm not sure it's a simple factor. Actually I think it's lower to start > > with, but has what I assume a memory leak: after a restart it grew from > > about 80MB to 100MB while using various options in the web UI. I then > left > home. And while I've been away, not using it, memory usage has grown by > > another 30MB. No, general memory use isn't 4x greater, but it's not hard for certain operations to run it up to that point. And the overall memory footprint may fall back after some time. I'm sure that's somewhat dependant on the Perl implementation and OS. > > > performance is several times slower than 7.6 before onebrowser. > > One person mentioned this without giving any further information. I > can't > confirm, can you? > That shouldn't be difficult to verify, although it's only in some situations. For the most part, I'd say that performance is on par with 7.6 trunk. Still, it's troubling, and I'd expect it to cause a lot of problems in the long run. All in all, I'm beginning to seriously doubt the benefits of onebrowser. From a user perspective, the idea of a consistent experience in each of the different user interfaces is certainly attractive, but at what cost? The choice of solution for the web interface seems to be a step backward in several areas. But the thing that I just can't help wondering is: Why were all the many bugs with Squeezeplay never addressed until now? For a while we had the mythical "new schema" that was conveniently tossed out to solve all problems. And then "onebrowser". How did SqueezePlay ever get to be so broken, and why did nobody ever honestly try to fix the consistency issues until now? To me it seems like this great code simplificaton is just going to cause a lot of different problems, and incur a great deal of interface inflexibility that should not be there. There must be a better solution. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85895 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Status of onebrowser
JJZolx;621396 Wrote: > > All in all, I'm beginning to seriously doubt the benefits of > onebrowser. From a user perspective, the idea of a consistent > experience in each of the different user interfaces is certainly > attractive, but at what cost? > The benefit of onebrowser is simply to at least offer a remote chance that all the interfaces can be preserved over the long term. You know who's working on SB-Software at Logitech so count one and one and you'll find that this is the only way to realistically make sure that there will be _any_ web interface and support for older Squeezebox models in future SBS releases. This is not about consistency or usability, it's about simplification. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85895 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Status of onebrowser
Oh, and I do not mean to say that's negative: all the different implementations for the same features that are in there now - that can't work, this simplification NEEDS to be done. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85895 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] How can I build a SVN update on Windows?
mherger;621380 Wrote: > > I've attached my current Custom.pm for 7.6. You need this to get the > > scanner to work. Details as to why are in the wiki article above. > > I don't see why you would need that file: if there's no scanner.exe in > > your installation folder, it should automatically fall back to > scanner.pl. > > And the additional plugins folder is just for your convenience, not a > > requirement, isn't it? > > -- > > Michael True, the extra plugin dir was for my own use. I've been using this Custom.pm since 7.0 betas with a few tweaks along the way as the server evolved. Back when I first tried to get SBS 7.6 from SVN to run, shortly after the branch was created, the scanner could not be found without the scanner function override. Just checked 7.6 r32188 and the scanner appears to work with the scanner function commented out in Custom.pm. -- ralphy Ralphy *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *12*-Squeezeslaves 'Squeezeslave' (http://code.google.com/p/squeezeslave/) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezeslave¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86609 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Lms?
Good guess. :) On Monday, March 28, 2011, Mark Miksis wrote: > > Logitech Media Server? > > just a guess... > > > -- > Mark Miksis > > Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628 > > ___ > beta mailing list > beta@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta > ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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Pipin, I think you have it about right. -- awy awy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85895 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Lms?
andyg;621421 Wrote:
> Good guess. :)
>
> On Monday, March 28, 2011, Mark Miksis
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Logitech Media Server?
> >
> > just a guess...
> >
> >
Name change in progress ?
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awy;621367 Wrote: > Which UI? What hardware? Good questions :-) WebUI, Windows 7 x64, Pentium Dual-Core E5200, 4Gb. The Browse Music Folders slowe than usual. I don't notice this with the Browse Artistmode. I only use Browse Music Folders when I have some tracks that haven't been scanned yet. That maybe the cause of the audio hick-up I've been experiencing... -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 1x Duet, 1x Receiver, 1x Touch Please vote for bug 16791 (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16791) verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85895 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Status of onebrowser
Just out of interest, how large libraries are people testing the
onebrowser with ? Especially those that experience memory and
performance problems.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Status of onebrowser
pippin;621402 Wrote:
> Oh, and I do not mean to say that's negative: all the different
> implementations for the same features that are in there now - that
> can't work, this simplification NEEDS to be done.
>
And from a third party plugin perspective it actually have some
benefits because the "onebrowser" implementation means that third party
library browse menus can focus on the menu content and leave the user
interface rendering to standard SBS code. Hopefully this might also
open up some possibilities for simpler third party browsing plugins
instead of advanced solutions like the current Custom Browse plugin. So
even if Logitech doesn't implement all the browsing alternatives we like
to have, the "onebrowser" implementation offers a lot better support to
add new browse menus and replace existing browse menus and make them
available in all interfaces with correct look and feel.
So even though a few things might seem like a step backwards currently,
I think we are going to look at this as something positive in the end.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Lms?
We're adding video and image support, so yeah a name change makes some sense. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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Oh and please note, this is for after 7.6. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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andyg;621496 Wrote:
> We're adding video and image support, so yeah a name change makes some
> sense.
>
Interesting, just via UPnP or also through current SqueezeOS based
Squeezeboxes ?
At least image support makes some sense on the Touch.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Status of onebrowser
erland;621494 Wrote: > Just out of interest, how large libraries are people testing the > onebrowser with ? Especially those that experience memory and > performance problems. Total Tracks: 42,160 Total Albums: 4,044 Total Artists: 1,213 Total Genres: 178 Total Playing Time: 3279:13:22 -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 1x Duet, 1x Receiver, 1x Touch Please vote for bug 16791 (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16791) verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85895 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Lms?
Initial focus is via DLNA for Revue (and other DLNA clients). Images do make sense, and as a part of this work I hope we can finally get to the "rethink cover art" bug. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Lms?
I thought it was Logitech Mouse Software -- Hofstede Hofstede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Lms?
What type of configuration options are being considered for video scanning? Will it be defeatable, or will we have to add a host of new extensions to 'disabled audio file extensions' to keep the server from cataloging video? -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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Just don't provide a video path. I don't think we'll scan for video files in the audio path. There will be a default-on-install for Mac and Windows though. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Lms?
Is the idea to keep the current principle where LMS just scans the disc
for images/video and drops the database in-between full rescans or are
you also on longer terms thinking about adding more library management
functionality where you can manage the library similar to what WMP,
iTunes and similar applications offers ?
I'm just asking since for images things like being able to tag photos
and structure them is very important functionality for me personally in
a media server. For video, library management functionality might be a
little bit less important but I'm still interested in functionality
like IMDb integration to get more information about about a video but
maybe that's already handled on the Revue on the client side ?
I'm guessing the plan maybe is to just do something simple to at least
make it possible to use LMS together with Revue, I'm just asking these
questions to make you guys think one step ahead. On longer terms a
media server without any library management functionality feels a bit
complicated since it means that you need to use at least two other
external applications, one to tag and manage photos and another to tag
and manage videos, besides the already existing need to have the same
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Lms?
Cool. LMS being a SlimServer derivative, presumably one will be able to write a plugin video protocol handler to, e.g., provide support for transcoding from a DVD ISO image to H.264. -- gharris999 gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Status of onebrowser
pippin;621400 Wrote: > The benefit of onebrowser is simply to at least offer a remote chance > that all the interfaces can be preserved over the long term. > You know who's working on SB-Software at Logitech so count one and one > and you'll find that this is the only way to realistically make sure > that there will be _any_ web interface and support for older Squeezebox > models in future SBS releases. > > This is not about consistency or usability, it's about simplification. I just pulled out an old wired-only SB1-g with firmware 40. I get an endless reboot cycle when it tries to connect to onebrowser. -- gharris999 gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85895 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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>So even though a few things might seem like a step backwards currently, >I think we are going to look at this as something positive in the end. I tend to agree, although I still worry about losing functionality for older players that isn't in newer players. i.e. onebrowser offering support for the lowest common denominator, and the lossed functionality never getting put back. But if memory consumption and performance are drastically affected by the change, it sounds like a non-starter. Sounds like something is wrong though, as one might expect memory consumption to be lower if all interfaces share the same back-end implementation. Phil ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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>One person mentioned this without giving any further information. I can't >confirm, can you? I haven't tried yet. Scanning in 7.6 still seems a bit broken for me, even when I use SQLite. I was going to try again with no shortcuts in my music library, but haven't had time in the last couple of weeks. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Lms?
Andy: will you let us know when LMS is at a point where you'd like us to start kicking the tires? I've got a fair amount of DRMless M4V content that I stream via mediatomb to MLPlayer Lite on my iPad...so I'm ready any time. -- gharris999 gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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I look forward to seeing how this works with the Revue. Right now my Revue is mostly a Netflix and Amazon VOD device. Support for video formats is limited. -- Mark Miksis Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Stereo Radios vs Boom?
m1abrams;621013 Wrote:
> To bad they do not make it an option to configure one of the radios to
> just output one channel through the headphone jack while playing the
> other channel through the speaker. The you could do 2 radios in stereo
> without the sync issue.
>
Maybe they like to you to get the more expensive Boom if you want
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