[Bf-committers] Blenderday 2011 feedback
Hi all, last weekend the capital of blender was Eislingen where Blenderday 2011 was held. Thomas really did an excellent job in organising Blenderday2011! He had a talk about cycles and I did a talk about compositing. There was a lot of discussion about some blender-features, and how developers work versus how artists work. See below some discussed features: 1. Request for a new feature that if you delete a node, the link between other nodes could be preserved. (I will make a different post for this). 2. Auto connect feature. It was a shared idea between artists to remove or disable this. 3. Mix node: Artist don't use the value 0.5 that often, but mostly 1.0. As point 2 and 3 have been discussed in the past. For the first point I did a sprint to implement this and it worked out perfectly. I will make a tiny proposal and clean the code up a bit. just some feedback on developers perspective. Jeroen Bakker myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
[Bf-committers] Proposal: Untangled delete
When a node is deleted, all links between this node and other nodes are also deleted. There are cases you want to remove the node, and keep the tree intact. we could use the mute function to determine how nodes are connected and update the tree. Thereby keeping the system working. implementation of the mute-function is: 1. the first value inputsocket will be used for all value output sockets 2. the first vector inputsocket will be used for all vector output sockets 3. the first color inputsocket will be used for all color output sockets I have not seen any other socket types in the mute node. I added an operation in the space_node called untangle and a macro to untangle before delete (mapped it to CTRL-X). Things to do: * Clean up and document the code * Add it to the menu of the space_node see here how it works: * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmOevfBhL2Y (clear simple demonstration) * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77kcWSmiew (complex node setup) myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Onion branch fails to build on cmake linux64
In ubuntu 11.04 64 bit a clean build compiles fine... It's strange, you see, DerivedMesh.c explicitly includes ED_sculpt.h just for this function, so no implicit declaration at all...Can't help you I'm afraid.. ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
[Bf-committers] Bokeh error?
Bokeh error? I was looking at the bokeh blur, and think I found a glitch. If you take a single pixel and use bokeh blur, you get a donut in stead of a circle. see http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=14809 this is due the formula CMP_blur: 390: *dgauss= RE_filter_value(nbd-filtertype, 2.0f*dist - 1.0f); I think it should just be 390: *dgauss= RE_filter_value(nbd-filtertype, dist); to reflect the non bokeh blur formula. Is this a bug? Jeroen Bakker. mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Onion branch fails to build on cmake linux64
Well, tried a fresh checkout and you're right after all(So strange though). Fix incoming! ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
[Bf-committers] Proposal: Untangled delete
+1 Even though in some cases the auto-connect is unwanted for some, I believe is useful, so having it in another hotkey (like you mentioned) would be a nice addition to speedup workflow. Asked for it during Sintel when compositing every day for weeks, fun times! Cheers! -- Pablo Vazquez CG Artist Blender Foundation Certificated Trainer E-mail: cont...@pablovazquez.org Website: http://www.pablovazquez.org On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 09:30, j.bak...@atmind.nl j.bak...@atmind.nl wrote: When a node is deleted, all links between this node and other nodes are also deleted. There are cases you want to remove the node, and keep the tree intact. we could use the mute function to determine how nodes are connected and update the tree. Thereby keeping the system working. implementation of the mute-function is: 1. the first value inputsocket will be used for all value output sockets 2. the first vector inputsocket will be used for all vector output sockets 3. the first color inputsocket will be used for all color output sockets I have not seen any other socket types in the mute node. I added an operation in the space_node called untangle and a macro to untangle before delete (mapped it to CTRL-X). Things to do: * Clean up and document the code * Add it to the menu of the space_node see here how it works: * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmOevfBhL2Y (clear simple demonstration) * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77kcWSmiew (complex node setup) myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Proposal: Untangled delete
would dragdropping node on a line would be possible pretty much the inverse of untangling ? so you don't have to connect input output all the time and it works also with already-created node cheers F. 2011/7/11 PabloVazquez.org venom...@gmail.com +1 Even though in some cases the auto-connect is unwanted for some, I believe is useful, so having it in another hotkey (like you mentioned) would be a nice addition to speedup workflow. Asked for it during Sintel when compositing every day for weeks, fun times! Cheers! -- Pablo Vazquez CG Artist Blender Foundation Certificated Trainer E-mail: cont...@pablovazquez.org Website: http://www.pablovazquez.org On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 09:30, j.bak...@atmind.nl j.bak...@atmind.nl wrote: When a node is deleted, all links between this node and other nodes are also deleted. There are cases you want to remove the node, and keep the tree intact. we could use the mute function to determine how nodes are connected and update the tree. Thereby keeping the system working. implementation of the mute-function is: 1. the first value inputsocket will be used for all value output sockets 2. the first vector inputsocket will be used for all vector output sockets 3. the first color inputsocket will be used for all color output sockets I have not seen any other socket types in the mute node. I added an operation in the space_node called untangle and a macro to untangle before delete (mapped it to CTRL-X). Things to do: * Clean up and document the code * Add it to the menu of the space_node see here how it works: * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmOevfBhL2Y (clear simple demonstration) * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77kcWSmiew (complex node setup) myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers -- François Tarlier www.francois-tarlier.com www.linkedin.com/in/francoistarlier ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Proposal: Untangled delete
Hello, On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:30 AM, j.bak...@atmind.nl j.bak...@atmind.nl wrote: 1. the first value inputsocket will be used for all value output sockets 2. the first vector inputsocket will be used for all vector output sockets 3. the first color inputsocket will be used for all color output sockets How would this handle nodes like the two defined in CMP_valToRgb.c ??? In these cases (and others) there may not be matching input-output socket types... Cheers! Peter ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
[Bf-committers] Keymap storage management
Hi, Two weeks ago I reviewed with Brecht and Campbell how to fix up keymap handling in Blender. My time is still too scattered, so I've put it on Brecht's desk now. :) Basically the idea is: - maintain 4 independent layers of maps - store all in memory outside WM or blender data, to keep file saves/ loads work. Overview: http://www.blender.org/bf/keymap.jpg - The Default map is only generated on startup, with C code. We could try to keep this as lean as possible, not attempting to map everything - The Preset map is not only to mimic other maps, but can be used for cases like 2.4 power user map or Optimal Laptop map as well. This will be in our distros. - The Addon map is just kept separate to prevent add-ons messing with stored defaults or presets. :) - The User map is for everything else you want to save yourself using the keymap editor in Blender or via RMB on menus etc. Currently, since the startup.blend holds everything (Screens, user prefs, addons, user keymaps), a new will also restore everything that was saved. That will be solved with another code project; to split up startup.blend in a layout file (screen configs) and usablity presets file(s). -Ton- Ton Roosendaal Blender Foundation t...@blender.orgwww.blender.org Blender Institute Entrepotdok 57A 1018AD Amsterdam The Netherlands ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Proposal: Untangled delete
Hi, I'm fine with the functionality, but the naming is confusing... for me it is just: Delete nodes will reconnect nodes as if deletion was muted. So it's delete with reconnect or so, untangling is really something else :) -Ton- Ton Roosendaal Blender Foundation t...@blender.orgwww.blender.org Blender Institute Entrepotdok 57A 1018AD Amsterdam The Netherlands On 11 Jul, 2011, at 9:30, j.bak...@atmind.nl wrote: When a node is deleted, all links between this node and other nodes are also deleted. There are cases you want to remove the node, and keep the tree intact. we could use the mute function to determine how nodes are connected and update the tree. Thereby keeping the system working. implementation of the mute-function is: 1. the first value inputsocket will be used for all value output sockets 2. the first vector inputsocket will be used for all vector output sockets 3. the first color inputsocket will be used for all color output sockets I have not seen any other socket types in the mute node. I added an operation in the space_node called untangle and a macro to untangle before delete (mapped it to CTRL-X). Things to do: * Clean up and document the code * Add it to the menu of the space_node see here how it works: * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmOevfBhL2Y (clear simple demonstration) * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77kcWSmiew (complex node setup) myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Ton Roosendaal t...@blender.org wrote: - The Preset map is not only to mimic other maps, but can be used for cases like 2.4 power user map or Optimal Laptop map as well. This will be in our distros. One note: keep in mind for these sort of presets to work properly, they need to encompass more than just key bindings - they also need to control things like zoom and orbit styles, 'release confirm' setting, etc.. cheers Matt ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management
They also need to be able to remove entries from keymaps, not just add entries or overwrite entries. Martin --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net wrote: From: Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org Received: Monday, July 11, 2011, 6:36 PM On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Ton Roosendaal t...@blender.org wrote: - The Preset map is not only to mimic other maps, but can be used for cases like 2.4 power user map or Optimal Laptop map as well. This will be in our distros. One note: keep in mind for these sort of presets to work properly, they need to encompass more than just key bindings - they also need to control things like zoom and orbit styles, 'release confirm' setting, etc.. cheers Matt ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management
Why is it that the entire context (ie: 3D view global) needs to be edited to just change one or two keys? This results in default (inbuilt) key changes to blender not being propagated to existing default .blend, even when the changes don't touch the exact operator you changed. Wouldn't it be better if you could edit just one hotkey and leave the rest default (unedited) even on the same context? Daniel Salazar 3Developer.com On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Martin Poirier the...@yahoo.com wrote: They also need to be able to remove entries from keymaps, not just add entries or overwrite entries. Martin --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net wrote: From: Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org Received: Monday, July 11, 2011, 6:36 PM On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Ton Roosendaal t...@blender.org wrote: - The Preset map is not only to mimic other maps, but can be used for cases like 2.4 power user map or Optimal Laptop map as well. This will be in our distros. One note: keep in mind for these sort of presets to work properly, they need to encompass more than just key bindings - they also need to control things like zoom and orbit styles, 'release confirm' setting, etc.. cheers Matt ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management
It would be possible to do that too, but the way changes are tracked would have to be made smarter (to be able to track addition, modifications and deletion of keymap items, not just override of keymaps). Martin --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com zan...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com zan...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org Received: Monday, July 11, 2011, 9:41 PM Why is it that the entire context (ie: 3D view global) needs to be edited to just change one or two keys? This results in default (inbuilt) key changes to blender not being propagated to existing default .blend, even when the changes don't touch the exact operator you changed. Wouldn't it be better if you could edit just one hotkey and leave the rest default (unedited) even on the same context? Daniel Salazar 3Developer.com On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Martin Poirier the...@yahoo.com wrote: They also need to be able to remove entries from keymaps, not just add entries or overwrite entries. Martin --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net wrote: From: Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org Received: Monday, July 11, 2011, 6:36 PM On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Ton Roosendaal t...@blender.org wrote: - The Preset map is not only to mimic other maps, but can be used for cases like 2.4 power user map or Optimal Laptop map as well. This will be in our distros. One note: keep in mind for these sort of presets to work properly, they need to encompass more than just key bindings - they also need to control things like zoom and orbit styles, 'release confirm' setting, etc.. cheers Matt ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management
The good news is that kmi already have unique ids, so tracking changes per kmi is already possible. Martin PS: I know, replying to myself, bad form. --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Martin Poirier the...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Martin Poirier the...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org Received: Monday, July 11, 2011, 10:14 PM It would be possible to do that too, but the way changes are tracked would have to be made smarter (to be able to track addition, modifications and deletion of keymap items, not just override of keymaps). Martin --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com zan...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com zan...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org Received: Monday, July 11, 2011, 9:41 PM Why is it that the entire context (ie: 3D view global) needs to be edited to just change one or two keys? This results in default (inbuilt) key changes to blender not being propagated to existing default .blend, even when the changes don't touch the exact operator you changed. Wouldn't it be better if you could edit just one hotkey and leave the rest default (unedited) even on the same context? Daniel Salazar 3Developer.com On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Martin Poirier the...@yahoo.com wrote: They also need to be able to remove entries from keymaps, not just add entries or overwrite entries. Martin --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net wrote: From: Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org Received: Monday, July 11, 2011, 6:36 PM On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Ton Roosendaal t...@blender.org wrote: - The Preset map is not only to mimic other maps, but can be used for cases like 2.4 power user map or Optimal Laptop map as well. This will be in our distros. One note: keep in mind for these sort of presets to work properly, they need to encompass more than just key bindings - they also need to control things like zoom and orbit styles, 'release confirm' setting, etc.. cheers Matt ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management
:D you can always reply to yourself if it's good news Daniel Salazar 3Developer.com On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Martin Poirier the...@yahoo.com wrote: The good news is that kmi already have unique ids, so tracking changes per kmi is already possible. Martin PS: I know, replying to myself, bad form. --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Martin Poirier the...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Martin Poirier the...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org Received: Monday, July 11, 2011, 10:14 PM It would be possible to do that too, but the way changes are tracked would have to be made smarter (to be able to track addition, modifications and deletion of keymap items, not just override of keymaps). Martin --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com zan...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com zan...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org Received: Monday, July 11, 2011, 9:41 PM Why is it that the entire context (ie: 3D view global) needs to be edited to just change one or two keys? This results in default (inbuilt) key changes to blender not being propagated to existing default .blend, even when the changes don't touch the exact operator you changed. Wouldn't it be better if you could edit just one hotkey and leave the rest default (unedited) even on the same context? Daniel Salazar 3Developer.com On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Martin Poirier the...@yahoo.com wrote: They also need to be able to remove entries from keymaps, not just add entries or overwrite entries. Martin --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net wrote: From: Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Keymap storage management To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org Received: Monday, July 11, 2011, 6:36 PM On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Ton Roosendaal t...@blender.org wrote: - The Preset map is not only to mimic other maps, but can be used for cases like 2.4 power user map or Optimal Laptop map as well. This will be in our distros. One note: keep in mind for these sort of presets to work properly, they need to encompass more than just key bindings - they also need to control things like zoom and orbit styles, 'release confirm' setting, etc.. cheers Matt ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
