Re: [Bibdesk-users] votes on 1.3.12?
>>> >> How about a different solution: When displaying a PDF in the BibDesk >> window, allow the user to associate and auto-file the pdf with one of >> the most recently imported items. So have a drop down list somewhere >> with for example the last 5 imported items (listed using for example >> the truncated title) that the current pdf can be saved to. Being able >> to quickly auto-file this way would be oh so awesome. >> >> Hendrik > > And what if you don't have autofile turned on? Note that this PDF is > not yet inserted on your system, it may be somewhere in a temporary > location but that is not accessible to us. So you first have to > download it anyway. If autofile is turned off, don't display or disable this button/ dropdown/menu. You do have the URL of the page being displayed though right? Could you not use curl or wget to download it straight into the appropriate auto-file location? Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] votes on 1.3.12?
>> >> >> BTW, clicking on a PDF link in Google Scholar (and presumably >> elsewhere) loads it quite nicely in the window, but then tells me >> that >> it "Failed to read HTML string from document." In Leopard, there's a >> nice floaty window that allows you to open it in Preview, from which >> you can drag it back into BibDesk... but it would be nice to have an >> option to attach the PDF as a local-url when it's imported. >> >> -A > > That would be impossible. there is no item to link the PDF to. Items > that are not imported yet are not editable (and that won't change). > How about a different solution: When displaying a PDF in the BibDesk window, allow the user to associate and auto-file the pdf with one of the most recently imported items. So have a drop down list somewhere with for example the last 5 imported items (listed using for example the truncated title) that the current pdf can be saved to. Being able to quickly auto-file this way would be oh so awesome. Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
Another question related to Google Scholar: So now we have a one button click way of getting the Google Scholar entry into BibDesk. Which is awesome. What is the easiest way currently to get from there to the PDF and get that filed away using the amazing auto file feature? Are there plans to maybe fully or partially automate this? That is, to have another button click download the PDF file using the first actually working link in Google Scholar and file it away. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
>>>
>>
>> I'm puzzled: since the braces are legit (perhaps Google puts the
>> extra set there to keep the title the way they got it?), why remove
>> them? I assume I'm missing something, but...
>
> They're not always correct, though, unfortunately. It's generally
> better to let the .bst handle capitalization issues, as Alex said,
> rather than force it in the database. The records I've seen from
> Google Scholar are a mix of title case, sentence case, and all caps.
That's been my experience too. Capitalization in Google Scholar
currently seems too random overall to rely on it.
Letting BibTeX take care of the capitalization is definitely better at
this point.
I typically go through my references just before publishing papers to
fix capitalization for names and such.
For example: "Stochastic relaxation, {G}ibbs distributions and the
{B}ayesian restoration of images".
The .bst file will not do that for you.
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
>
> Something I noticed which no one seems to have mentioned yet: For
> some reason Google Scholar always gives the title in double curly
> parantheses, so that BibDesk ends importing. For example:
>
>
> @article{delany1970apf,
> Author = {Delany, ME and Bazley, EN},
> Date-Added = {2007-11-10 08:57:42 +0100},
> Date-Modified = {2007-11-10 08:57:42 +0100},
> Journal = {Applied Acoustics},
> Number = {2},
> Pages = {105--116},
> Title = {{Acoustical properties of fibrous absorbent materials}},
> Volume = {3},
> Year = {1970}}
>
> I realize that this an error on Google's side, but maybe such cases
> could be handled by the importer in general. I can't really think of
> a situations where one wants to have double parantheses.
>
The double braces tell LaTeX to preserve the capitalization. So if the
title in Google Scholar is capitalized correctly it will be correct in
your references.
While this can be useful, I personally would also prefer it if the
BibDesk Scholar scraper would strip the extra set of braces.
Hendrik
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Local URLs
On Nov 9, 2007 2:28 PM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com |Sourceforge| <...> wrote: > > > On 9 Nov 2007, at 11:00 PM, Hendrik wrote: > > > > > On 9-Nov-07, at 12:54 PM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com | > > Sourceforge| wrote: > > > >> > >> On 9 Nov 2007, at 9:26 PM, Hendrik wrote: > >>> > >>> To get all entries changed from absolute to relative paths take > >>> these > >>> steps: > >>> 1) Change the auto-file preference settings to relative. > >>> 2) Select all papers and choose Publication->Consolidate Linked > >>> Files > >>> If the path for some or all papers would stay the same (that is, the > >>> location of the files on > >>> disk does not need to change to match the new Auto-file settings) > >>> you > >>> will have to > >>> temporarily change the auto-file settings (for example by > >>> prepending a > >>> 'temp' to all file > >>> names), select 'Consolidate Linked Files', change the auto-file > >>> setting back, consolidate again. > >>> That will ensure that all absolute links actually get converted to > >>> relative links. > >>> > >>> Actually, since the developers are reading here too: It would be > >>> nice > >>> to change this behaviour > >>> and automatically convert all links to relative or absolute > >>> depending > >>> on the preference setting. > >>> > >>> Hendrik > >>> > > > >> No, that's bad behavior. We should never just automatically change > >> things like that. > >> > >> Christiaan > >> > > > > I think you probably misunderstood. What I meant is the following: > > If you change your auto-filing preferences from absolute to relative > > paths and then afterwards > > select one (or all) paper(s) and choose 'Consolidate Linked Files', > > then the Local-Url path should IMO > > be changed from an absolute to a relative one. Even when the location > > of the file on disk remains > > the same. Currently the path only gets converted to relative when the > > location of the file on disk changes. > > > > Hendrik > > Yes, I understood you correctly. However we check the path for > autofile, not the value of the Local-Url field. There are many > reasons for this, and the code is far to complex to easily be more > intelligent. We could of course change the local-url anyway, but it > would mean we'd change the local-url anytime even when it is not > necessary. That is bad, IMHO worse. > > Christiaan Okay, so it is difficult for the code to be more intelligent because of how things are implemented internally. But this is different from 'bad behaviour', no? My interpretation of 'Consolidate linked files ...' from a users perspective is the following: "Make the location of my files and the Local-Url links match the content of the entries in the database and the settings for Auto-File. " This involves moving things around if necessary and changing the Local-Url if necessary. If I specify I want relative links I would expect to get relative links. I also don't quite see how overwriting the local-url with the identical value when the user selects 'Consolidate linked files ...' is a bad thing. It's not like unnecessarily changing a few strings in memory when the user invokes the 'Consolidate' function would be a big performance bottleneck. Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Local URLs
On 9-Nov-07, at 12:54 PM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com | Sourceforge| wrote: > > On 9 Nov 2007, at 9:26 PM, Hendrik wrote: >> >> To get all entries changed from absolute to relative paths take these >> steps: >> 1) Change the auto-file preference settings to relative. >> 2) Select all papers and choose Publication->Consolidate Linked Files >> If the path for some or all papers would stay the same (that is, the >> location of the files on >> disk does not need to change to match the new Auto-file settings) you >> will have to >> temporarily change the auto-file settings (for example by >> prepending a >> 'temp' to all file >> names), select 'Consolidate Linked Files', change the auto-file >> setting back, consolidate again. >> That will ensure that all absolute links actually get converted to >> relative links. >> >> Actually, since the developers are reading here too: It would be nice >> to change this behaviour >> and automatically convert all links to relative or absolute depending >> on the preference setting. >> >> Hendrik >> > No, that's bad behavior. We should never just automatically change > things like that. > > Christiaan > I think you probably misunderstood. What I meant is the following: If you change your auto-filing preferences from absolute to relative paths and then afterwards select one (or all) paper(s) and choose 'Consolidate Linked Files', then the Local-Url path should IMO be changed from an absolute to a relative one. Even when the location of the file on disk remains the same. Currently the path only gets converted to relative when the location of the file on disk changes. Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
Nope. Nothing in the logs. And it still is reproducibly flakey for me :) Hendrik On 9-Nov-07, at 7:32 AM, Adam R. Maxwell amaxwell-at-mac.com | Sourceforge| wrote: > > On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:24 AM, Hendrik wrote: > >> But then after switching to another group and coming back to the web >> group it stopped working again. Only quitting and restarting seemed >> to >> help. >> I guess it isn't all that stable yet? > > Is anything logged in /Applications/Utilities/Console that might be > relevant? Others have reported this, but I haven't seen it. > > thanks, > adam > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a > browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > ___ > Bibdesk-users mailing list > Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
It could just be the fast sequence of requests for the BibTeX entries that triggers it. In which case it might make sense to change the scraper to only request the pages with the BibTeX upon request. That is, when the user clicks on items in the second pane. Hendrik On 9-Nov-07, at 2:54 AM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com | Sourceforge| wrote: I've also seen that. It seems they block you when you're doing too many searches under some conditions. I wonder what those conditions are, so we could correct it. Perhaps they require some kind of HTTP headers, like originating application info? Christiaan On 9 Nov 2007, at 10:52 AM, Hendrik wrote: However after trying a few successful queries (maybe 6-8 overall) Google now seems to have blocked me. I get this now: We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software. We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google. And answering the captcha below it doesn't help. I guess Google does not like being scraped? Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Local URLs
That is the solution I currently use. My bibtex file lives at the top of my ~/Papers directory. All the papers are auto-filed in sub-directories under that with relative paths. The whole directory is synced across multiple machines using Chronosync. Some tips to get that to work: Make sure you have the same Auto-file preferences on all machines. To get all entries changed from absolute to relative paths take these steps: 1) Change the auto-file preference settings to relative. 2) Select all papers and choose Publication->Consolidate Linked Files If the path for some or all papers would stay the same (that is, the location of the files on disk does not need to change to match the new Auto-file settings) you will have to temporarily change the auto-file settings (for example by prepending a 'temp' to all file names), select 'Consolidate Linked Files', change the auto-file setting back, consolidate again. That will ensure that all absolute links actually get converted to relative links. Actually, since the developers are reading here too: It would be nice to change this behaviour and automatically convert all links to relative or absolute depending on the preference setting. Hendrik On 9-Nov-07, at 11:16 AM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com | Sourceforge| wrote: > > On 9 Nov 2007, at 7:44 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > >> >> On Friday, November 09, 2007, at 10:33AM, "Mark Eli Kalderon" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Is there a way for the local urls to work with tilde expansion? I >>> have a bib file that I keep in a subversion repository and would >>> like >>> to use on multiple computers and while the home directories are >>> mirrored the usernames and hence the full paths differ (not my >>> choice). That means the local urls are broken on the new computer. >>> Any ideas about how to work around this? >> >> Tilde abbreviated paths should work just fine. If I replace >> >> file://localhost/Volumes/Local/amaxwell >> >> with "~", everything works as it should. You can go through and >> change entries in bulk using the find & replace panel. I'm not >> sure how (or if) AutoFile works with tilde, though; as far as I >> recall it creates an absolute or document-relative path. >> >> -- >> adam > > AutoFile does never generate tilde path. It can however generate > paths relative to the folder containing the .bib file. > > Christiaan > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a > browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > ___ > Bibdesk-users mailing list > Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On 9-Nov-07, at 1:05 AM, Bertolt Meyer bmeyer-at-sozpsy.uzh.ch | Sourceforge| wrote: Hendrik, try this: In the web group page view: 1. Go to scholar.google.com 2. Click "Scholar preferences" 3. Set "Interface language" to English 4. Set "Bibliography Manager" to "Show links to import citations into BibTeX" (choose BibTeX from the popup menu) If you do a scholar search from the web group interface after those changes have been made, the results should show up as importable items in the pane below. I did have those settings correct from the beginning. But as I wrote after restarting I did get it to work. However after trying a few successful queries (maybe 6-8 overall) Google now seems to have blocked me. I get this now: We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software. We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google. And answering the captcha below it doesn't help. I guess Google does not like being scraped? Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
Hmm. Nevermind. After quitting, restarting and trying again it magically works now. Very very cool. ... a minute later ... But then after switching to another group and coming back to the web group it stopped working again. Only quitting and restarting seemed to help. I guess it isn't all that stable yet? Hendrik On 9-Nov-07, at 12:58 AM, Hendrik Kueck wrote: > I was very excited to see the release notes mention import from > Google Scholar. Using a feature called 'Web Group'. > I found the 'web' group in the side pane. I get the 3 pane view. I > went to Google Scholar, did a search. But nothing appears in the > panes below. I tried ACM library as well. Again I could not get > anything to show up below. Am I missing a button somewhere that I > need to click? I tried drag and dropping links into the pane below. > I followed the BibTex links in the Google Scholar results. Nothing. > The panes remain empty. > I looked in the BibDesk help pages but saw no mention of the Web > Group feature. Checked the Wiki and asked Google but found no > instructions anywhere on how to use this thing. > Please someone enlighten me. I sounds like an incredibly useful > feature. How do I use it? > > Thanks, > Hendrik > > PS: I am running Leopard. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
I was very excited to see the release notes mention import from Google Scholar. Using a feature called 'Web Group'. I found the 'web' group in the side pane. I get the 3 pane view. I went to Google Scholar, did a search. But nothing appears in the panes below. I tried ACM library as well. Again I could not get anything to show up below. Am I missing a button somewhere that I need to click? I tried drag and dropping links into the pane below. I followed the BibTex links in the Google Scholar results. Nothing. The panes remain empty. I looked in the BibDesk help pages but saw no mention of the Web Group feature. Checked the Wiki and asked Google but found no instructions anywhere on how to use this thing. Please someone enlighten me. I sounds like an incredibly useful feature. How do I use it? Thanks, Hendrik PS: I am running Leopard. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
