Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question for Autofile in BibDesk 1.3.14
On 2008-01-29, at 8:23 AM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: On 29 Jan 2008, at 5:16 PM, Chris Goedde wrote: On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: I say that because there is a choice: do you want %u, %U, %n, and how many characters and where? We can't know, because we can't readUsersMind. Doing something arbitrary is wrong. Moreover just sticking it at the end would be wrong because it would screw up the file extension. Then put it before the extension, at the end of the basename. I already told you that changing the filename *after* generating the path from the format is not an option, if that's what you mean. It's essentially impossible to do that in our setup. It must be added in the format. We can try to change the format to our best guess. Christiaan Probably a check for %e, put it before that, otherwise put it at the end would work fine for the cases of people who are too apathetic to decide whether they want %U %u or %n (A Yes, Do it for me button). A second button for those of us who like things (No, I'll do it myself) would probably work for the rest. -AHM - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question for Autofile in BibDesk 1.3.14
On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: I say that because there is a choice: do you want %u, %U, %n, and how many characters and where? We can't know, because we can't readUsersMind. Doing something arbitrary is wrong. Moreover just sticking it at the end would be wrong because it would screw up the file extension. Then put it before the extension, at the end of the basename. I think (a significant fraction of) the users are speaking pretty clearly here---they don't care about this, and they just want BibDesk to provide a reasonable default that mimics the old behavior. This is especially true for people (like me) for whom this will never matter, because they only use a single .bib file. I would much rather have BibDesk silently add something if it were ever needed so that I never have to think about this and so that I can keep using my old file specification. Having a button in that dialog that says Do what you think is best when necessary or I feel lucky or whatever seems perfectly reasonable, and its what many of us want. Just my $0.00. Chris - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question for Autofile in BibDesk 1.3.14
On Jan 29, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
On 29 Jan 2008, at 5:16 PM, Chris Goedde wrote:
On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
I say that because there is a choice: do you want %u, %U, %n, and
how
many characters and where? We can't know, because we can't
readUsersMind. Doing something arbitrary is wrong. Moreover just
sticking it at the end would be wrong because it would screw up the
file extension.
Then put it before the extension, at the end of the basename.
I already told you that changing the filename *after* generating the
path from the format is not an option, if that's what you mean. It's
essentially impossible to do that in our setup. It must be added in
the format. We can try to change the format to our best guess.
Right, I meant change the format. My current format is %f{Citekey}%e.
(Obviously, I'm still running an older BibDesk.) Just make a button
that will change it to %f{Citekey}%u0%e (or whatever you think best)
automagically.
Chris
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question for Autofile in BibDesk 1.3.14
Even though I can understand both sides in this discussion I still
think it can be expected by the average BD user to read the alert
that is given at the first launch of BD after the update to the new
attached files system and do the necessary steps to adjust his
preferences accordingly. Really, is it that painful to manually add a
unique specifier? If there are really users out there who never got
in touche with the autofile preferences and thus are unclear what to
do then I would think that it is sensible for them to get introduced
to the autofile preferences at this point; at least it seems more
sensible than to provide means which will allow them to avoid
understanding this part of BD.
Yes, more annoying questions might show up on the list regarding this
issue. But eventually it will go away.
Cheers,
Alex
Am 29.01.2008 um 18:23 schrieb Chris Goedde:
On Jan 29, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
On 29 Jan 2008, at 5:16 PM, Chris Goedde wrote:
On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
I say that because there is a choice: do you want %u, %U, %n, and
how
many characters and where? We can't know, because we can't
readUsersMind. Doing something arbitrary is wrong. Moreover just
sticking it at the end would be wrong because it would screw up the
file extension.
Then put it before the extension, at the end of the basename.
I already told you that changing the filename *after* generating the
path from the format is not an option, if that's what you mean. It's
essentially impossible to do that in our setup. It must be added in
the format. We can try to change the format to our best guess.
Right, I meant change the format. My current format is %f{Citekey}%e.
(Obviously, I'm still running an older BibDesk.) Just make a button
that will change it to %f{Citekey}%u0%e (or whatever you think best)
automagically.
Chris
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question for Autofile in BibDesk 1.3.14
I wish people would actually read the alerts they get. It clearly says that you need to include a unique specifier, which is one of %u, %U or %n. So the answer is: no, you cannot. I don't know what you did after getting the initial alert, but I strongly advice you to go to the Preferences and fix it. All your previously filed items are still valid. Though you could run Auto-File on all items after you change your format. Christiaan On 28 Jan 2008, at 8:51 PM, Yunchang Shin wrote: Hi I have been using local-Url format as %a1(%Y)-%t0%e so far without any problem until 1.3.12. Recently, after I updated with 1.3.14, I can no longer use this combination for my auto filing. it keep saying it is invalid. Does anyone know if I can keep this combination or not? If not, how can I change all of file name I collected so far? And if I drop my file to local-url field in 1.3.14, file name is not followed this combination rule. it happen only when I drop the file into the drop box. Can any one tell me about it too? Thanks Yun The Local-Url and Url fields are now basically just ordinary fields. You should use the blue side pane view for linked files and URLs. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question for Autofile in BibDesk 1.3.14
Hi Am 28.01.2008 um 20:51 schrieb Yunchang Shin: Hi I have been using local-Url format as %a1(%Y)-%t0%e so far without any problem until 1.3.12. Recently, after I updated with 1.3.14, I can no longer use this combination for my auto filing. it keep saying it is invalid. let me guess: it tells you to add a unique specifier, right? In this case you should just do exactly that: add a unique specifier. For the reasons see recent posts on this list. Does anyone know if I can keep this combination or not? If not, how can I change all of file name I collected so far? And if I drop my file to local-url field in 1.3.14, file name is not followed this combination rule. it happen only when I drop the file into the drop box. again, read on this list about the new attached-files-interface. It has all been discussed in great length before and is available in the list's archives. Can any one tell me about it too? Thanks Yun -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users = please avoid sending me word attachements; see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html for details and background - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question for Autofile in BibDesk 1.3.14
Maybe the dialog box should by default automatically add a unique specifier for the user? Just trying to think about how to make this question come up a little less... -A On 2008-01-28, at 12:43 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: I wish people would actually read the alerts they get. It clearly says that you need to include a unique specifier, which is one of %u, %U or %n. So the answer is: no, you cannot. I don't know what you did after getting the initial alert, but I strongly advice you to go to the Preferences and fix it. All your previously filed items are still valid. Though you could run Auto-File on all items after you change your format. Christiaan On 28 Jan 2008, at 8:51 PM, Yunchang Shin wrote: Hi I have been using local-Url format as %a1(%Y)-%t0%e so far without any problem until 1.3.12. Recently, after I updated with 1.3.14, I can no longer use this combination for my auto filing. it keep saying it is invalid. Does anyone know if I can keep this combination or not? If not, how can I change all of file name I collected so far? And if I drop my file to local-url field in 1.3.14, file name is not followed this combination rule. it happen only when I drop the file into the drop box. Can any one tell me about it too? Thanks Yun The Local-Url and Url fields are now basically just ordinary fields. You should use the blue side pane view for linked files and URLs. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question for Autofile in BibDesk 1.3.14
We don't do that because Apple still does not provide a - readUsersMind method (not even in Leopard). Christiaan On 29 Jan 2008, at 12:21 AM, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote: Maybe the dialog box should by default automatically add a unique specifier for the user? Just trying to think about how to make this question come up a little less... -A On 2008-01-28, at 12:43 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: I wish people would actually read the alerts they get. It clearly says that you need to include a unique specifier, which is one of %u, %U or %n. So the answer is: no, you cannot. I don't know what you did after getting the initial alert, but I strongly advice you to go to the Preferences and fix it. All your previously filed items are still valid. Though you could run Auto-File on all items after you change your format. Christiaan On 28 Jan 2008, at 8:51 PM, Yunchang Shin wrote: Hi I have been using local-Url format as %a1(%Y)-%t0%e so far without any problem until 1.3.12. Recently, after I updated with 1.3.14, I can no longer use this combination for my auto filing. it keep saying it is invalid. Does anyone know if I can keep this combination or not? If not, how can I change all of file name I collected so far? And if I drop my file to local-url field in 1.3.14, file name is not followed this combination rule. it happen only when I drop the file into the drop box. Can any one tell me about it too? Thanks Yun The Local-Url and Url fields are now basically just ordinary fields. You should use the blue side pane view for linked files and URLs. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question for Autofile in BibDesk 1.3.14
On 1/28/08, Christiaan Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't do that because Apple still does not provide a - readUsersMind method (not even in Leopard). well, we don't need readUsersMind. Perhaps we need a createUniqueStringAndAttachItToTheEndOfTheUsersSpecifiedString Since this unique string fragment is needed by the program and not by the user (hence, so many users getting confused by its requirement), it could be anything... it could be a magic time stamp, a random number, whatever. What would the user care. In fact, embed it into something recognizable such as square brackets or parens (I use (%u) ) and the problem is solved. I think Alex has a perfectly reasonable suggestion. That it is doable or not is something I don't have the expertise to comment on. Christiaan On 29 Jan 2008, at 12:21 AM, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote: Maybe the dialog box should by default automatically add a unique specifier for the user? Just trying to think about how to make this question come up a little less... -A On 2008-01-28, at 12:43 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: I wish people would actually read the alerts they get. It clearly says that you need to include a unique specifier, which is one of %u, %U or %n. So the answer is: no, you cannot. I don't know what you did after getting the initial alert, but I strongly advice you to go to the Preferences and fix it. All your previously filed items are still valid. Though you could run Auto-File on all items after you change your format. Christiaan On 28 Jan 2008, at 8:51 PM, Yunchang Shin wrote: Hi I have been using local-Url format as %a1(%Y)-%t0%e so far without any problem until 1.3.12. Recently, after I updated with 1.3.14, I can no longer use this combination for my auto filing. it keep saying it is invalid. Does anyone know if I can keep this combination or not? If not, how can I change all of file name I collected so far? And if I drop my file to local-url field in 1.3.14, file name is not followed this combination rule. it happen only when I drop the file into the drop box. Can any one tell me about it too? Thanks Yun The Local-Url and Url fields are now basically just ordinary fields. You should use the blue side pane view for linked files and URLs. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/ Nelson Institute for Environmental Studies http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) http://www.osgeo.org/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question for Autofile in BibDesk 1.3.14
On 1/28/08, Christiaan Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 Jan 2008, at 12:52 AM, P Kishor wrote: On 1/28/08, Christiaan Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't do that because Apple still does not provide a - readUsersMind method (not even in Leopard). well, we don't need readUsersMind. Perhaps we need a createUniqueStringAndAttachItToTheEndOfTheUsersSpecifiedString Since this unique string fragment is needed by the program and not by the user (hence, so many users getting confused by its requirement), it could be anything... it could be a magic time stamp, a random number, whatever. What would the user care. In fact, embed it into something recognizable such as square brackets or parens (I use (%u) ) and the problem is solved. I think Alex has a perfectly reasonable suggestion. That it is doable or not is something I don't have the expertise to comment on. I say that because there is a choice: do you want %u, %U, %n, and how many characters and where? We can't know, because we can't readUsersMind. Doing something arbitrary is wrong. Moreover just sticking it at the end would be wrong because it would screw up the file extension. sorry... by end, I meant end of the base file name. So, in my case where I stick %u2 As We May Think.pdf becomes As We May Think(aa).pdf Now, for me, (aa) is as meaningless as (squarerootofminus1) so I don't care what it is. It could well have been placed there by the tooth fairy. I guess it is needed by the program, so there you have it. Sticking it at the end of the basename means that the extension doesn't get messed up and I can still sort/read my filenames without getting puzzled by the to-me-meaningless unique string. Christiaan Christiaan On 29 Jan 2008, at 12:21 AM, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote: Maybe the dialog box should by default automatically add a unique specifier for the user? Just trying to think about how to make this question come up a little less... -A On 2008-01-28, at 12:43 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: I wish people would actually read the alerts they get. It clearly says that you need to include a unique specifier, which is one of %u, %U or %n. So the answer is: no, you cannot. I don't know what you did after getting the initial alert, but I strongly advice you to go to the Preferences and fix it. All your previously filed items are still valid. Though you could run Auto-File on all items after you change your format. Christiaan On 28 Jan 2008, at 8:51 PM, Yunchang Shin wrote: Hi I have been using local-Url format as %a1(%Y)-%t0%e so far without any problem until 1.3.12. Recently, after I updated with 1.3.14, I can no longer use this combination for my auto filing. it keep saying it is invalid. Does anyone know if I can keep this combination or not? If not, how can I change all of file name I collected so far? And if I drop my file to local-url field in 1.3.14, file name is not followed this combination rule. it happen only when I drop the file into the drop box. Can any one tell me about it too? Thanks Yun The Local-Url and Url fields are now basically just ordinary fields. You should use the blue side pane view for linked files and URLs. Christiaan .. -- Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/ Nelson Institute for Environmental Studies http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) http://www.osgeo.org/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question for Autofile in BibDesk 1.3.14
On 29 Jan 2008, at 12:52 AM, P Kishor wrote: On 1/28/08, Christiaan Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't do that because Apple still does not provide a - readUsersMind method (not even in Leopard). well, we don't need readUsersMind. Perhaps we need a createUniqueStringAndAttachItToTheEndOfTheUsersSpecifiedString Since this unique string fragment is needed by the program and not by the user (hence, so many users getting confused by its requirement), it could be anything... it could be a magic time stamp, a random number, whatever. What would the user care. In fact, embed it into something recognizable such as square brackets or parens (I use (%u) ) and the problem is solved. I think Alex has a perfectly reasonable suggestion. That it is doable or not is something I don't have the expertise to comment on. I say that because there is a choice: do you want %u, %U, %n, and how many characters and where? We can't know, because we can't readUsersMind. Doing something arbitrary is wrong. Moreover just sticking it at the end would be wrong because it would screw up the file extension. Christiaan Christiaan On 29 Jan 2008, at 12:21 AM, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote: Maybe the dialog box should by default automatically add a unique specifier for the user? Just trying to think about how to make this question come up a little less... -A On 2008-01-28, at 12:43 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: I wish people would actually read the alerts they get. It clearly says that you need to include a unique specifier, which is one of %u, %U or %n. So the answer is: no, you cannot. I don't know what you did after getting the initial alert, but I strongly advice you to go to the Preferences and fix it. All your previously filed items are still valid. Though you could run Auto-File on all items after you change your format. Christiaan On 28 Jan 2008, at 8:51 PM, Yunchang Shin wrote: Hi I have been using local-Url format as %a1(%Y)-%t0%e so far without any problem until 1.3.12. Recently, after I updated with 1.3.14, I can no longer use this combination for my auto filing. it keep saying it is invalid. Does anyone know if I can keep this combination or not? If not, how can I change all of file name I collected so far? And if I drop my file to local-url field in 1.3.14, file name is not followed this combination rule. it happen only when I drop the file into the drop box. Can any one tell me about it too? Thanks Yun The Local-Url and Url fields are now basically just ordinary fields. You should use the blue side pane view for linked files and URLs. Christiaan --- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/ Nelson Institute for Environmental Studies http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) http://www.osgeo.org/ -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
