Re: [Bibdesk-users] generating conditional cite keys
On 12/29/07, Ingrid Giffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a 26-page ms if you're interested. I expect you want something
> longer, though.
>
eventually, yes, but for now, your 26 pager is longer than anything I
have, so yes, do give it to me. Here's the thing though --
it has to be in RTF, and citations have to be in the TeX style
\cite{} (actually, as long as they are referred to by
cite_key, it really doesn't matter whether or not they are enclosed in
{} as I can always change the pattern in my program). I would also
need to know the citation-style that you are following. Detailed
instructions on it would be great... for example, how to treat
citations with more than n authors, when to use et al. and when to use
&, how to treat subsequent citations to the same work, etc.
Do send it to me along with the bibliography.
> Ingrid
>
>
> On 12/29/07 9:37 AM, "P Kishor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I frequently file books and committee reports (those published by the
> > National Academy Press are a good example) where there is no "author"
> > but there are "editor"s. Since my BD generates cite_keys as %a1_%Y_u2,
> > the %a part goes unfilled in the cite_keys for these reports. Is there
> > any way to ask BD to use the author, but if author is not set then use
> > the editor?
> >
> > Another question -- what is the best practice? Do folks file the
> > entire reports? (that is what I do, because that is how I find them).
> > But then, how do you cite individual papers within those reports as in
> > case of conf. proceedings, the reports are typically a set of papers
> > by indiv. authors preceded by come commentary by the editors... can I
> > generate indiv. cite_keys for each component paper? I realize I am
> > probably asking a basic BD-use question, so if this use-case is
> > already described somewhere, kindly point me to it.
> >
> > Finally, I haven't yet received any scapegoat to give me his/her
> > *very* long manuscript to test my Perl script. If you are hesitant
> > about privacy, I will reiterate my solemn promise to use your work
> > *only* for testing (of course, I will probably learn a lot from
> > glancing at your work, which I will have to do in order to determine
> > the efficacy of my script). You will be credited, of course, and if my
> > script does become useful, you would have contributed to another
> > BD-enhancing tool. And, needless to say, your manuscript and bib will
> > not leave my laptop ever.
> >
> > Graçias.
>
>
>
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] generating conditional cite keys
On 12/29/07, James Howison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 11:37 AM, P Kishor wrote: > > > I frequently file books and committee reports (those published by the > > National Academy Press are a good example) where there is no "author" > > but there are "editor"s. Since my BD generates cite_keys as %a1_%Y_u2, > > the %a part goes unfilled in the cite_keys for these reports. Is there > > any way to ask BD to use the author, but if author is not set then use > > the editor? > > %p should do this rather than %a. At least that's what the drop down > for "Authors or Editors" shows. > > > Another question -- what is the best practice? Do folks file the > > entire reports? (that is what I do, because that is how I find them). > > But then, how do you cite individual papers within those reports as in > > case of conf. proceedings, the reports are typically a set of papers > > by indiv. authors preceded by come commentary by the editors... can I > > generate indiv. cite_keys for each component paper? I realize I am > > probably asking a basic BD-use question, so if this use-case is > > already described somewhere, kindly point me to it. > > Have you tried inproceedings? I don't heavily use cross-refs, but > presumably you can create a single proceedings and cross-ref a set of > inproceedings. You might also explore book/inbook and incollection. Dang it! that's what inproceedings is for! Well then, I am going to try this out, but if someone has written up a usecase for using proceedings + inproceedings or book + inbook along with crossref, I would love to read that. Many thanks, .. Puneet - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] generating conditional cite keys
On 29 Dec 2007, at 5:37 PM, P Kishor wrote: > I frequently file books and committee reports (those published by the > National Academy Press are a good example) where there is no "author" > but there are "editor"s. Since my BD generates cite_keys as %a1_%Y_u2, > the %a part goes unfilled in the cite_keys for these reports. Is there > any way to ask BD to use the author, but if author is not set then use > the editor? > That's exactly what %p does. > Another question -- what is the best practice? Do folks file the > entire reports? (that is what I do, because that is how I find them). > But then, how do you cite individual papers within those reports as in > case of conf. proceedings, the reports are typically a set of papers > by indiv. authors preceded by come commentary by the editors... can I > generate indiv. cite_keys for each component paper? I realize I am > probably asking a basic BD-use question, so if this use-case is > already described somewhere, kindly point me to it. > It's more a citation and bibtex question than a bibdesk question. If you need to cite individual papers/proceedings in a collection you should create individual items for those. have a look at the inproceedings and incollection types. they are also frequently used in combination with the Crossref field. You can also use citation fields (see the Defaults prefs) to make it easier to relate items in BibDesk, though that has no influence on the bibtex. Christiaan > Finally, I haven't yet received any scapegoat to give me his/her > *very* long manuscript to test my Perl script. If you are hesitant > about privacy, I will reiterate my solemn promise to use your work > *only* for testing (of course, I will probably learn a lot from > glancing at your work, which I will have to do in order to determine > the efficacy of my script). You will be credited, of course, and if my > script does become useful, you would have contributed to another > BD-enhancing tool. And, needless to say, your manuscript and bib will > not leave my laptop ever. > > Graçias. > > -- > Puneet Kishor - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] generating conditional cite keys
On Dec 29, 2007, at 11:37 AM, P Kishor wrote: > I frequently file books and committee reports (those published by the > National Academy Press are a good example) where there is no "author" > but there are "editor"s. Since my BD generates cite_keys as %a1_%Y_u2, > the %a part goes unfilled in the cite_keys for these reports. Is there > any way to ask BD to use the author, but if author is not set then use > the editor? %p should do this rather than %a. At least that's what the drop down for "Authors or Editors" shows. > Another question -- what is the best practice? Do folks file the > entire reports? (that is what I do, because that is how I find them). > But then, how do you cite individual papers within those reports as in > case of conf. proceedings, the reports are typically a set of papers > by indiv. authors preceded by come commentary by the editors... can I > generate indiv. cite_keys for each component paper? I realize I am > probably asking a basic BD-use question, so if this use-case is > already described somewhere, kindly point me to it. Have you tried inproceedings? I don't heavily use cross-refs, but presumably you can create a single proceedings and cross-ref a set of inproceedings. You might also explore book/inbook and incollection. The editorial comments are more problematic. These are akin to book reviews, and bibtex has never handled them well. citeproc seems likely to do a good job here. I think the best you can do is treat them as another inproceedings and reference the reviewed/commented on article manually in the title. Hmmm, maybe that's what the 'commented' type is for, although I've never used it, do others? The fields don't look hopeful. > --J - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] generating conditional cite keys
I frequently file books and committee reports (those published by the National Academy Press are a good example) where there is no "author" but there are "editor"s. Since my BD generates cite_keys as %a1_%Y_u2, the %a part goes unfilled in the cite_keys for these reports. Is there any way to ask BD to use the author, but if author is not set then use the editor? Another question -- what is the best practice? Do folks file the entire reports? (that is what I do, because that is how I find them). But then, how do you cite individual papers within those reports as in case of conf. proceedings, the reports are typically a set of papers by indiv. authors preceded by come commentary by the editors... can I generate indiv. cite_keys for each component paper? I realize I am probably asking a basic BD-use question, so if this use-case is already described somewhere, kindly point me to it. Finally, I haven't yet received any scapegoat to give me his/her *very* long manuscript to test my Perl script. If you are hesitant about privacy, I will reiterate my solemn promise to use your work *only* for testing (of course, I will probably learn a lot from glancing at your work, which I will have to do in order to determine the efficacy of my script). You will be credited, of course, and if my script does become useful, you would have contributed to another BD-enhancing tool. And, needless to say, your manuscript and bib will not leave my laptop ever. Graçias. -- Puneet Kishor - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
