Re: [Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk?
On 2007-October-08 , at 18:37 , Maxwell, Adam R wrote: On 10/08/07 09:21, jiho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-October-08 , at 18:03 , Simon Spiegel wrote: [...] I also use latex2rtf but simply because there is no real alternative. I also found it has many limitations: - I have found that it does not respect natbib settings for inline citations (at least) Can you provide a sample? I guess I was using an outdated version of latex2rtf (I used the one in MacPorts, with tetex) because I cannot make the svn version fail now. IIRC there was a problem when specifying punctuation other that the default in \bibpunct. latex2rtf used to always output (SomeName, 2000; SomeOtherName, 2004) instead of what was specified in bibpunct. Anyway, that seems fixed now, which is a good thing. - it does not support utf8 coded documents Use the version from latex2rtf project's svn. It supports utf8, and also has some graphics sizing improvements. I see that. I usually rely on utf coded characters for accents only (I try to use latex code for other symbols) and it seems to work fine indeed. That's another great news. - the equations are converted to pictures (in the best cases) Really? One reason I stick with latex2rtf is because it gives editable equations, and doesn't convert them to pictures unless you tell it to. YMMV. Current svn apparently converts latex equations to rtf indeed but, when they get a bit interesting (sums, fractions etc.) I cannot view them in either TextEdit, Pages or even NeoOffice. While thats not surprising for TextEdit and Pages, I would expect NeoOffice to be better. I seems I'll have to install MS Word in the end. Gasp. Thanks for pointing the improvements in the latest version. JiHO --- http://jo.irisson.free.fr/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk?
On Oct 9, 2007, at 04:07, jiho wrote: On 2007-October-08 , at 18:37 , Maxwell, Adam R wrote: On 10/08/07 09:21, jiho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: latex2rtf used to always output (SomeName, 2000; SomeOtherName, 2004) instead of what was specified in bibpunct. Anyway, that seems fixed now, which is a good thing. I think bibpunct support was added in the last year, but there hadn't been a new version for 2-3 years. - the equations are converted to pictures (in the best cases) Really? One reason I stick with latex2rtf is because it gives editable equations, and doesn't convert them to pictures unless you tell it to. YMMV. Current svn apparently converts latex equations to rtf indeed but, when they get a bit interesting (sums, fractions etc.) I cannot view them in either TextEdit, Pages or even NeoOffice. While thats not surprising for TextEdit and Pages, I would expect NeoOffice to be better. I seems I'll have to install MS Word in the end. Gasp. Word is the only thing that handles equations and figures in RTF correctly IME. Thanks for pointing the improvements in the latest version. No problem...I occasionally submit patches (hence the svn version's usage of sips to convert pdf-png on OS X), so I like to see it used and tested. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk? at a tangent
We might take a look at http://thedata.org/citation and http:// gking.harvard.edu/files/cite.pdf These try to take a look at linking to the thing itself rather than a location for the thing. -N On 9 Oct 2007, at 11:47 AM, Jason Davies wrote: incidentally, is there an 'accepted' way to link to things like podcasts (yet)? As more and more become legitimate sources (prestigious speakers and stable access), is anyone thinking about how to cite them? In the meantime, does anyone have any sugestions (eg can we get a unique link to use in BibDesk that will open a podcast? I know that you can be taken to a particular podcast on the web, but what about when you have it? just the usual local-file route to open iTunes? can we jump to a particular moment to hear a quote?) I realise the last is very unrealistic (currently) but this is becoming an issue for me in my work (chiefly when i do Education materials). -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton === When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel === - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk?
On 10/9/07 7:20 AM, Bruce Pourciau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 7, 2007, at 9:47 PM, Ingrid Giffin wrote: I tried looking at MacTex (I think it was), but I really don¹t need the heavy typesetting capabilities. I ran screaming to Mellel. I use BibDesk for my master publications database because the interface is so nice, although, as I said in another post, I have to use Bookends in between BibDesk and Mellel. Those who do need the typesetting and cross-referencing abilities of LaTeX, but who have run screaming from its complication and coding requirements, might want to look at LyX (http://www.lyx.org/), which is a word processor front end to LaTeX. You work in LyX as you would in any word processor, but when you wish to view the finished product, LyX calls up TeX and has it typeset your document. I use LyX with Bibdesk. Bruce The idea sounds good, but the LyX page lists several other required packages. Of the first two, Qt and Xforms, Qt costs several hundred dollars and the Xforms web site is dead. This doesn't look promising. --Ingrid - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk? at a tangent
Doesn't a custom Local File field work, when you have set iTunes as the system default for opening podcasts? I was thinking more about referencing for publication and dissemination... - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk?
On 2007-October-09 , at 19:39 , Ingrid Giffin wrote: On 10/9/07 7:20 AM, Bruce Pourciau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 7, 2007, at 9:47 PM, Ingrid Giffin wrote: I tried looking at MacTex (I think it was), but I really don’t need the heavy typesetting capabilities. I ran screaming to Mellel. I use BibDesk for my master publications database because the interface is so nice, although, as I said in another post, I have to use Bookends in between BibDesk and Mellel. Those who do need the typesetting and cross-referencing abilities of LaTeX, but who have run screaming from its complication and coding requirements, might want to look at LyX (http://www.lyx.org/), which is a word processor front end to LaTeX. You work in LyX as you would in any word processor, but when you wish to view the finished product, LyX calls up TeX and has it typeset your document. I use LyX with Bibdesk. The idea sounds good, but the LyX page lists several other required packages. Of the first two, Qt and Xforms, Qt costs several hundred dollars and the Xforms web site is dead. This doesn't look promising No no lyx works out of the box on os x (provided you have a TeX system of course). Just download the dmg and install everything: ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.5.2 JiHO --- http://jo.irisson.free.fr/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk?
I can imagine that Tex held some appeal to some people at some point in time, but there is little use I see in it for myself. For me, TextEdit is more easy and flexible. Depends. On the negative side, I find LaTeX code annoying to read and write, and things like encodings and font changes are insane (unless you use XeTeX). I use BibTeX, but I think its style language sucks. Take a look at the biblatex package. Suddenly, even the most complex bibliographic style becomes rather easy to implement ... simon -- Simon Spiegel Steinhaldenstr. 50 8002 Zürich Telephon: ++41 44 451 5334 Mobophon: ++41 76 459 60 39 http://www.simifilm.ch Was soll aus mir mal werden, wenn ich mal nicht mehr bin? Robert Gernhardt - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk?
I'm not one of the developers but you both know that Bibdesk is a software for generating Bibtex-files which are used in LaTeX- documents. I wonder how many users would agree with this characterization -- I don't use BibTex at all - do most other BibDesk users? I see BibDesk as a reference manager and search tool which happens to offer BibTex among its output formats, but which should have broad appeal beyond BibTex users.. I use it with Nisus Writer Pro and Pages, primarily using .rtf export templates (e.g. the American Anthropologist template found here: http://dfay.fastmail.fm/ bibdesk/ ) set up following the directions on the Wiki provided in Adam Goldstein's post ( http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ Export_Templates ). = Derick A. Fay, Ph.D. Visiting Assistant Professor Department of Anthropology Union College Schenectady, NY 12308 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk?
On 10/7/07 8:36 PM, P Kishor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mellel + Bookends seems to do exactly what I dream of, but I don't want to use Mellel because it can't handle South Asian scripts. Possibly veering off topic here, but FYI, there is a thread on this at http://forum.redlers.com/viewtopic.php?t=969highlight=south+asian (although for all I know you are one of the posters!) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk?
On Oct 7, 2007, at 20:58, Michael McCracken wrote: On 10/7/07, Derick Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not one of the developers but you both know that Bibdesk is a software for generating Bibtex-files which are used in LaTeX- documents. I wonder how many users would agree with this characterization -- I don't use BibTex at all - do most other BibDesk users? I don't have any numbers to back this up, but based on feature requests bugs throughout the years, and the fact that everyone I know who uses BibDesk also uses LaTeX, my impression is that the majority of BibDesk users are LaTeX users. I've always had the same impression: most of us use LaTeX, although I now know of at least four on this list who don't. Some people avoid BD because of the BibTeX/LaTeX association, but I think it's useful as a general purpose reference manager because of the searching/ranking/grouping/filing features, and we shouldn't forget that. I think the UI is better than most of the other tools as well. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk?
On Oct 7, 2007, at 19:36, P Kishor wrote:
On 10/7/07, Derick Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not one of the developers but you both know that Bibdesk is a
software for generating Bibtex-files which are used in LaTeX-
documents.
I wonder how many users would agree with this characterization -- I
don't
use BibTex at all - do most other BibDesk users?
I see BibDesk as a reference manager and search tool which happens
to offer
BibTex among its output formats, but which should have broad appeal
beyond
BibTex users..
I am with you Derick. I have little use for BibTex. Funnily, I
installed MacTex a few weeks ago for the first time... after 750 Mb of
all manner of stuff, I was able to open Tex files and view them as
PDF. I was not very thrilled.
There are smaller distributions available, I think...but TeX still
requires a lot of arcane files.
I can imagine that Tex held some appeal to some people at some point
in time, but there is little use I see in it for myself. For me,
TextEdit is more easy and flexible.
Depends. On the negative side, I find LaTeX code annoying to read and
write, and things like encodings and font changes are insane (unless
you use XeTeX). I use BibTeX, but I think its style language sucks.
However, LaTeX's benefits outweigh the problems, for me. It's
portable (plain text), scalable (hundreds of pages is trivial),
handles floats and equations, and has actually functional captioning,
numbering, and cross-referencing. For example, I have never checked a
citation list or figure numbering in my LaTeX documents, in spite of
rearranging figures and sections or changing bibliography styles. In
grad school we could always tell when someone had a paper due, just by
the amount of cursing (at Word) in the computer lab.
Scrivener can use the text input manager's \cite{blah hit esc to
auto-complete blah} technique, but Pages can't.
You should be able to use the Services in Pages. Note that you can
insert a formatted version or a cite key, based on search criteria
(documented in the help book).
Then, when everything
is done, I am clueless as to how to convert my \cite{blah blah} into
Blah blah. 2007. blah blah blah. I have been looking at Tom
Counsell's Ruby script, and that might save me.
That script is probably your best bet at the moment for Pages. I
don't think Pages supports any reference manager directly, so all
solutions will suck to some extent.
--
adam
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