Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
Does anyone from this list have llamas? I keep my sheep and llamas together at all times and if the basic h is not harmful to llamas this could be the solution I was looking for. Thanks, Britt Susan Smith writes: Stephanie, I also have 60 ewes. I put the 1/2 cup per 50 gallons in two seperate 50 gallon tubs for them. Unless the water gets really nasty I do not change the water, just keep adding water to the tub so all the Basic H is consumed. When I add more water I put the hose down into the water because if that is not done there is foam. My sheep then think there is a monster living in the water and won't touch it til the foam is gone. Sheesh! This is how I do it, and I do it once a month to all my animals including the fowl. I really do not understand how or why it works, but just as long as they are all drinking from the tubs with Basic H in it.. it works. Sue Susan Smith Sandoah Achers www.sandoahachers.com American Blackbelly Sheep Painted Desert Sheep Barbado Sheep Mouflon X Black Hawaiian Sheep Texas Dall Corsican From: Stephanie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:44:09 -0400 Susan, How many sheep will this 50 gallon treat? If 10 sheep are drinking the 50 gallon they will naturally comsume more (of the basic H) than if they were sharing the 50 gallon with 25 of their friends! What I'm asking is this We have 60 ewes, so how much Basic H would you recommend for me to use if I wanted to treat them once a month as you do? Thanks Stephanie Original Message - From: Susan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject) Yes, Basic H the all purpose cleaner. I use 1/2 cup per 50 gallons of water for my sheep. I use it once a month. Sue From: Stephanie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] (no subject) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:05:52 -0400 Barb, I noted, off and on, for several months that folks are talking about Basic Has a wormer and now as an insect control. My question is this-? Are you talking about the Basic H All Purpose Cleaner? If so, how do you use it as a wormer? ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysh eep.info _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
Hi Britt, My Llama lives with my sheep...drinks the Basic H just like the sheep and does fine. Sue Susan Smith Sandoah Achers www.sandoahachers.com American Blackbelly Sheep Painted Desert Sheep Barbado Sheep Mouflon X Black Hawaiian Sheep Texas Dall Corsican From: Britt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:38:46 -0400 Does anyone from this list have llamas? I keep my sheep and llamas together at all times and if the basic h is not harmful to llamas this could be the solution I was looking for. Thanks, Britt Susan Smith writes: Stephanie, I also have 60 ewes. I put the 1/2 cup per 50 gallons in two seperate 50 gallon tubs for them. Unless the water gets really nasty I do not change the water, just keep adding water to the tub so all the Basic H is consumed. When I add more water I put the hose down into the water because if that is not done there is foam. My sheep then think there is a monster living in the water and won't touch it til the foam is gone. Sheesh! This is how I do it, and I do it once a month to all my animals including the fowl. I really do not understand how or why it works, but just as long as they are all drinking from the tubs with Basic H in it.. it works. Sue Susan Smith Sandoah Achers www.sandoahachers.com American Blackbelly Sheep Painted Desert Sheep Barbado Sheep Mouflon X Black Hawaiian Sheep Texas Dall Corsican From: Stephanie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:44:09 -0400 Susan, How many sheep will this 50 gallon treat? If 10 sheep are drinking the 50 gallon they will naturally comsume more (of the basic H) than if they were sharing the 50 gallon with 25 of their friends! What I'm asking is this We have 60 ewes, so how much Basic H would you recommend for me to use if I wanted to treat them once a month as you do? Thanks Stephanie Original Message - From: Susan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject) Yes, Basic H the all purpose cleaner. I use 1/2 cup per 50 gallons of water for my sheep. I use it once a month. Sue From: Stephanie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] (no subject) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:05:52 -0400 Barb, I noted, off and on, for several months that folks are talking about Basic Has a wormer and now as an insect control. My question is this-? Are you talking about the Basic H All Purpose Cleaner? If so, how do you use it as a wormer? ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysh eep.info _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
I have Donkeys, Mules, and one short ear (horse) and they get the same as
the sheep get.
Susan Smith
Sandoah Achers
www.sandoahachers.com
American Blackbelly Sheep
Painted Desert Sheep
Barbado Sheep
Mouflon X
Black Hawaiian Sheep
Texas Dall
Corsican
From: Britt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:19:01 -0400
Thanks for the info but I forgot to ask is it safe for horses??
Johnson, Oneta writes:
I got mine from farmstead supply. Here is the web site. OJ
http://www.farmsteadhealth.com/
-Original Message-
From: Britt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 9:50 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
Great! Thanks Susan! I'm sold! Could someone please tell me where I can
find
this stuff?
Thanks,
Britt
Susan Smith writes:
Hi Britt, My Llama lives with my sheep...drinks the Basic H just
like
the sheep and does fine. Sue
Susan Smith
Sandoah Achers
www.sandoahachers.com
American Blackbelly Sheep
Painted Desert Sheep
Barbado Sheep
Mouflon X
Black Hawaiian Sheep
Texas Dall
Corsican
From: Britt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:38:46 -0400
Does anyone from this list have llamas? I keep my sheep and llamas
together
at all times and if the basic h is not harmful to llamas this could be
the
solution I was looking for.
Thanks,
Britt
Susan Smith writes:
Stephanie, I also have 60 ewes. I put the 1/2 cup per 50 gallons
in
two
seperate 50 gallon tubs for them. Unless the water gets really
nasty I
do
not change the water, just keep adding water to the tub so all the
Basic H
is consumed. When I add more water I put the hose down into the
water
because if that is not done there is foam. My sheep then think
there
is a
monster living in the water and won't touch it til the foam is gone.
Sheesh! This is how I do it, and I do it once a month to all my
animals
including the fowl. I really do not understand how or why it works,
but
just as long as they are all drinking from the tubs with Basic H in
it..
it works. Sue
Susan Smith
Sandoah Achers
www.sandoahachers.com
American Blackbelly Sheep
Painted Desert Sheep
Barbado Sheep
Mouflon X
Black Hawaiian Sheep
Texas Dall
Corsican
From: Stephanie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:44:09 -0400
Susan,
How many sheep will this 50 gallon treat? If 10 sheep are drinking
the
50 gallon they will naturally comsume more (of the basic H) than if
they
were sharing the 50 gallon with 25 of their friends! What I'm
asking
is
this We have 60 ewes, so how much Basic H would you recommend
for
me to use if I wanted to treat them once a month as you do?
Thanks
Stephanie
Original Message -
From: Susan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
Yes, Basic H the all purpose cleaner. I use 1/2 cup per 50
gallons
of
water
for my sheep. I use it once a month. Sue
From: Stephanie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] (no subject)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:05:52 -0400
Barb,
I noted, off and on, for several months that folks are talking
about
Basic Has a wormer and now as an insect control. My
question
is
this-?
Are you talking about the Basic H All Purpose Cleaner? If so,
how
do
you use it as a wormer?
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Re: [blackbelly] Basic H----SOLD!
Not to throw a fly in the ointment (no pun intended), but tread with caution. If Basic H kills flies and parasites, what might it do to your sheep over time? Would you be willing to drink it yourself? Give it to your kids? I've received word from a list member who has done some testing with Basic H and reports that ewe lambs and very old ewes suffer from Basic H because it is a poison. (He has not provided additional detail.) I'd appreciate everyone who tries Basic H to keep the list informed as to the results--both positive and negative. Since those results might take some time to manifest themselves, we all should keep our eyes open in the interim. Just as there are no scientific studies that prove the effectiveness of Basic H as a deworming agent, there are no studies that indicate any negative effects. It's up to us to find out and share our information. Carol ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Basic H----SOLD!
Susan, I'm new to equines and I've been told equines build a tolerance to wormer meds and that they should not be given the same med monthly and should be rotated. Is this just a general safeguard or a solid fact? I got to admit the Basic H sounds to good to be true but I'm not doubting that it works. I'll ask people on some of the equine list to get there opinions. It sounds like you have a similar setup as I do with llamas, sheep, and equines in one pasture. I also have ducks and chickens in the same area. Susan Smith writes: I appreciate your concern and input Carol. I might add that with any product there is no cure all for every circumstance. But for myself I would prefer using organic rather then chemical products on myself or my animals. Would I take Basic H for myself, well if I had a choice to take Ivermectin or Basic H I think I would take the Basic H. All my critters have been on Basic H for one year, adult ewes, adult rams and all the lambs. The equine, llama, etc. I haven't had a problem yet. I would be interested in the member finding Basic H to be harmful sharing their concerns and findings. We could all stand to learn from the negative as well as the positives as you say. Sue Susan Smith Sandoah Achers www.sandoahachers.com American Blackbelly Sheep Painted Desert Sheep Barbado Sheep Mouflon X Black Hawaiian Sheep Texas Dall Corsican From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Basic HSOLD! Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:36:15 -0600 Not to throw a fly in the ointment (no pun intended), but tread with caution. If Basic H kills flies and parasites, what might it do to your sheep over time? Would you be willing to drink it yourself? Give it to your kids? I've received word from a list member who has done some testing with Basic H and reports that ewe lambs and very old ewes suffer from Basic H because it is a poison. (He has not provided additional detail.) I'd appreciate everyone who tries Basic H to keep the list informed as to the results--both positive and negative. Since those results might take some time to manifest themselves, we all should keep our eyes open in the interim. Just as there are no scientific studies that prove the effectiveness of Basic H as a deworming agent, there are no studies that indicate any negative effects. It's up to us to find out and share our information. Carol ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep .info _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Basic H----SOLD!
Sheep and llama are together, all equine are seperated from sheep yet surround them so as to keep predators out. Horse chemical wormers should be rotated, but I have not had to do that lately. Susan Smith Sandoah Achers www.sandoahachers.com American Blackbelly Sheep Painted Desert Sheep Barbado Sheep Mouflon X Black Hawaiian Sheep Texas Dall Corsican From: Britt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Basic HSOLD! Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:08:52 -0400 Susan, I'm new to equines and I've been told equines build a tolerance to wormer meds and that they should not be given the same med monthly and should be rotated. Is this just a general safeguard or a solid fact? I got to admit the Basic H sounds to good to be true but I'm not doubting that it works. I'll ask people on some of the equine list to get there opinions. It sounds like you have a similar setup as I do with llamas, sheep, and equines in one pasture. I also have ducks and chickens in the same area. Susan Smith writes: I appreciate your concern and input Carol. I might add that with any product there is no cure all for every circumstance. But for myself I would prefer using organic rather then chemical products on myself or my animals. Would I take Basic H for myself, well if I had a choice to take Ivermectin or Basic H I think I would take the Basic H. All my critters have been on Basic H for one year, adult ewes, adult rams and all the lambs. The equine, llama, etc. I haven't had a problem yet. I would be interested in the member finding Basic H to be harmful sharing their concerns and findings. We could all stand to learn from the negative as well as the positives as you say. Sue Susan Smith Sandoah Achers www.sandoahachers.com American Blackbelly Sheep Painted Desert Sheep Barbado Sheep Mouflon X Black Hawaiian Sheep Texas Dall Corsican From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Basic HSOLD! Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:36:15 -0600 Not to throw a fly in the ointment (no pun intended), but tread with caution. If Basic H kills flies and parasites, what might it do to your sheep over time? Would you be willing to drink it yourself? Give it to your kids? I've received word from a list member who has done some testing with Basic H and reports that ewe lambs and very old ewes suffer from Basic H because it is a poison. (He has not provided additional detail.) I'd appreciate everyone who tries Basic H to keep the list informed as to the results--both positive and negative. Since those results might take some time to manifest themselves, we all should keep our eyes open in the interim. Just as there are no scientific studies that prove the effectiveness of Basic H as a deworming agent, there are no studies that indicate any negative effects. It's up to us to find out and share our information. Carol ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep .info _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Use of Basic H
I have used the Basic H product for over a year. We add the indicated dosage every two months and keep refilling the water each day as Sue indicated. It is used for the sheep as well as the llamas, ducks, and geese who partake in the water troughs when they are off the pond. Our cows have also drank the same solution. Mark Fleming Lamar, Mo. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Barbados
Yes, and any details you can get. oj -Original Message- From: David Kellough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Barbados My wife and I are leaving for Barbados in the morning and will be there for a week. We hope to come across some sheep. We would be happy to share whatever pictures we take with all who wish to see them. David Susan Kellough Ohio ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Barbados
Thanks for information. I have been in contact with the breeders in Barbados for a while and friends of use went to visit. The problem I face, non is able to tell me how many fullblood B.Blackbelly are on the Island. Seems there is not too much left as true genetics. The have three types of sheep, in every flock is some of what ever kind. The only genetically well bred flock of Barbados Blackbelly as far as I know are in Cuba and in France, under INRA research. May try to find out how many fullblood Barbados Blackbelly do excist and where they are registered. With best regards Helmut - Original Message - From: David Kellough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: [blackbelly] Barbados My wife and I are leaving for Barbados in the morning and will be there for a week. We hope to come across some sheep. We would be happy to share whatever pictures we take with all who wish to see them. David Susan Kellough Ohio ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Basic H----SOLD!
I used basic H last fall on the sheep and it did seem to work on reducing or eliminating worms. In the spring I wormed with Ivomec drench and this summer I switched back to basic H in the water. It was quite hot at this time, which I thought would be better than in the fall when it was cooler and they don't seem to drink as much water. Within 1 day I had 2 ewes go off feed - when they didn't eat for 2 days and were quite leathargic, I emptied the basic H out of the water - they immediately drank the new water and got back to normal. Apparently these two wouldn't drink that water and, with as hot as it was, they had dehydrated after not drinking for a couple of days. I haven't tried the basic H again since that happened. I would definatley watch your sheep and make sure everyone is drinking the water and not getting dehydrated. Onalee ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
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